When Mumbai Comes To Your Mall


I could have added much to this diary, but have chosen to keep things short and to the point. I am not an alarmist, nor am I one of the tin-foil-hat-wearing-crowd (at least I hope I’m not), but the threat is real and I feel it in my soul that Mumbai was a deadly, but only partial, “dry run” for things to come. I’ve envisioned simultaneous and consecutive “events” from many sides and not just in large cities/metro areas.

An article titled “When Mumbai Comes To Your Mall” from 14 December at The Israel National News, written by Tamar Yonah. Tamar Yonah is a radio host on The Israel National News Radio Network and also writes for the I.N.N.

First paragraph of the article…………..

“You’re out holiday shopping. The stores are crowded and everything is very busy. All of a sudden, you hear gunfire and shouting in a foreign accent. People are dropping their bags and taking cover, some falling to the ground. Screaming and panic and chaos ensues. What do you do?”

I hope you read the article and listen to the audio files.

Here’s my answer, short enough to leave as a comment at the linked article page above……….

The term is “Soft Targets”.

Number one: Other than schools (where I work in enhancing real-time security systems) I studiously avoid large-crowd gatherings or places that are definitely soft targets.

Number two: I am armed and will defend to my last breath, my freedom, liberty and life and those of my family and friends.

Number three: I urge everyone to always be aware of your surroundings, the people you see and observe their behavior.

If a situation arises, I will not run. I will not hide. Nor will I stand by and watch as animals attempt to destroy my country.

To those who think civilians should not even remotely be able to own weapons legally…….. I say “Molon Labe !” When your own values, as short-sighted as they are, become instantly invalidated by those who simply want to kill you because you are either American or Jewish and don’t care that you ‘want to talk things out’, I will defend you as well.

Kenneth L Solomon……….Typical Bitter Jewish God-Clinging Gun Owner And Barking Mad Insane NASCAR Fan……….Please support the Jamie McMurray Foundation For Autism Speaks.


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Wayne (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 7:35PM EST (link)

Exactly Kenny, and unfortunately, it will happen eventually. Well, it has happened but it will be on a far larger scale. Because lots of malls and other shopping areas are busy having themselves declared gun free zones. So, I’m just sure the jihadis will obey the signs and leave their AK’s at the door.

“Hell, these are Marines. Men like them held Guadalcanal, and took Iwo Jima, Baghdad ain’t s–t”. Maj. Gen. John F. Kelly, USMC, Deputy CG, First MEF

 

The most shocking thing about Mumbai

RetNAV Sunday, December 14th at 7:41PM EST (link)

was when I read that the police in the train station essentially did nothing.

Yes, I understand they weren’t armed, but that’s a whole ‘nother issue. But can you imagine a cop in America doing nothing in that situation? I can’t.

I never want to hear again of bipartisanship. The only time I want a Republican “reaching across the aisle” is to smack a liberal.

You missed the threads...

kowalski (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 7:59PM EST (link)

The police in the train station were armed. With World War I vintage rifles and batons, and there are serious (and still unanswered) questions about whether any of them even had bullets to put in their rifles, or knew how to fire them if they did.

Skanderbeg and I talked at length about it and none of the reports coming out of India before or since have definitively answered the questions.

The Mumbai Police are reputed to be a cut or two above the average Indian police force, believe it or not. But they are all woefully underequipped and apprently undertrained, because of endemic corruption and graft coupled with what I can only describe as a kind of antiquated romantic hangover from the British Colonial days.

And sadly,

kowalski (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 8:01PM EST (link)

Despite the incredible gains India has made in the past several decades, the rule still seems to apply in many cases: in a land of a billion peasants, life is cheap.

 
 
 

Well here in a conceal carry state WE the people...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 7:53PM EST (link)

Your average person with a CC permit

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 8:04PM EST (link)

is no match for a moderately trained guy with an AK47.

Heck, most cops can’t hit the broad side of a barn in a fire fight and they actually practice.

Since I’m in AZ where there are lots of CC permits and you can carry openly with no permit I know lots of people who carry. Only a couple of them would be a threat to a bad guy in a Mumbai type scenario.

Even if true, they are still a deterent.

Diogenes314 (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 8:30PM EST (link)

I’m pretty certain that if a situation like this comes up, it will be in a city/state with repressive anti-second amendment laws.

I doubt it.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 9:25PM EST (link)

CC and OC are a deterrent to punks with guns robbing stores, and even to punks breaking into your house.

We’re talking about a different situation entirely. First of all, the delta in firepower between an AK or similar weapon and a 9mm is overwhelming. Second, you’re dealing with a perp who likely has recently had some level of military type training. Third, the perp isn’t particularly concerned about leaving the site alive. Fourth, there’s a whole world of difference between shooting at a paper target and shooting at somebody who can/will shoot back. The adrenalin factor alone is more than enough to wreck a perfectly good aim. Combine that with the thought in the back of your head that you really don’t want to add to the carnage by missing the perp and shooting a civilian.

my advice Mbecker is to not assume

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 9:34PM EST (link)

you might be surprised by who has military/combat experience and who does not. What I don’t get is why you are pushing this, do you think civilians should be unarmed and act like paper targets? Also, I can cite you several times where a single man with a pistol has stopped a massacre by heavily armed crazies.

Of course an assault rifle is more effective than a pistol, anyone who does not know that has a lot to learn. The recently late Jeff Cooper, a firearms expert if there ever was one, used to say “a pistol is something you use to fight your way to your rifle”. But most of us can’t carry AR’s around all day. I will take a pistol over my gonads any day when someone is trying to kill me. out.

Molon Labe!

 

So what?

Diogenes314 (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 11:06PM EST (link)

The fact is, these freaks tend to seek out soft targets to get the maximum bang for their buck. The softer the better.

Just because they are insane doesn’t mean they are stupid.

 
 
 

this i don't agree with

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 8:35PM EST (link)

the terrorist/bad guy does not expect civlians to be armed. You never know if he is going to open up with his back to you. Also, the 2A does not guarantee a person’s safety, it guarantees they have a chance, and having a chance is a big thing to me.

btw, many slaughters have been stopped by one man with a gun.

Molon Labe!

 

well maybe they don't practice in AZ

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 8:43PM EST (link)

I dont’ know about the “average” cc’er, but those I know practice a lot more than the cops. To be fair, some cops practice a lot, but many rarely practice at all. Most only need to qualify every six months. The people I know that go to the effort of obtaining a CC permit are serious about the responsibility, and they do practice. We might just travel in different circles.

Molon Labe!

quite a few of the folks I know practice quite frequently...

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 9:25PM EST (link)

and like hanging out at the NRA here in Fairfax….I would feel quite comfortable that if something like that were to occur here in this county that there are more than enough prepared folk ready and willing to defend! We also have those militant cops as well :-)

I am with ya Jaded

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 9:43PM EST (link)

the ones I know train more than the average cop, they love the smell of CLP in the morning :) And if anyone read American Rifleman, they can read about hundreds of times guns have been used to stop crimes, actually thousands.

Molon Labe!

 
 
 
 
 

Exactly right

Kyle-MI (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 8:42PM EST (link)

I have been worried about this situation happening in the U.S. since the 9/11 attacks. We don’t realize how vulnerable we are. We are a nation full of soft targets. Do you really think that any of our schools could handle a co-ordinated attack from several terrorists? Most can’t even handle one disgruntled student.

The requirements it would take to play defense against these situation would make the Patriot act look like Care Bear land. The only way we can stop this and keep our freedom is to get to them before they get to us.

 

Unfortunately ....

John Steele (Diary) Sunday, December 14th at 8:59PM EST (link)

… the response to a Mumbai style attack here on a school or mall will not be recognition that an armed citizenry is the first line of defense but rather even more gun control on law abiding citizens.

John – Miami
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Excellent points

Erick Brockway (Diary) Tuesday, December 16th at 2:05AM EST (link)