If Rick Perry leaves the Republican race, there will not be a candidate in the field who authentically represents smaller government. While many conservatives don’t mind activist government so long as the ends are conservative, the willful use of activist government for conservative ends leaves in place a government perfectly capable of activist liberal government when conservatives lose.
The only way to fully turn the tide of big government is therefore to support someone who is willing to scale back government. Unfortunately, the only candidate with both an agenda to significantly cut government and a record of actually doing so is the flawed candidate from Texas with a campaign no one can be proud of.
But can he win? Yes. And should he stay in? Absolutely. If Rick Perry leaves, conservatives who want Washington out of their lives will have fully ceded the field to other men, mostly conservative, who are not as committed to the idea of “making Washington as inconsequential in our lives as possible.”
What would it take though to get voters to look at Perry again? I think the only way he can go forward is to have a full throated and honest reboot of his campaign. To do that, he must clean house with a full on purge of his political and communications staff.
David Carney, who I know and like, and Joe Allbaugh, who I do not know but admire, must both go. Ray Sullivan must go. Mark Miner must go. I would suggest even Tony Fabrizo, who just about everyone internally at the Perry campaign, regardless of faction, blames as the chief instigator of the recent Politico story must go.
Perry has to demonstrate he recognizes just how terrible his campaign is. And that means people at the top level need to go. A lot of the Politico story was deadly accurate. The Perry team initially treated his campaign as running for Governor of Texas. He was underprepared and ill suited for debates. His communications strategy was and is a mess.
Look no further than Mark Miner, his spokesman today, being asked about Governor Perry’s tweet that he was in and, instead of saying “I’ll get back to you,” conveyed uncertainty. The headline went from “Perry Stays In” to “Perry’s Staff Has No Idea.”
But it goes much deeper than that and I would submit none of us can treat a Perry reboot seriously unless he actually does reboot. It goes much deeper than people. People is policy and this is ultimately about the policies Perry will champion indicated first and foremost by his leadership abilities to stop the suck in his campaign.
Rick Perry has a reputation as a man who isn’t a genius, but has a knack for surrounding himself with really smart people, the overwhelming majority of whom are intrinsically conservative.
But with the Presidential campaign, these smart people seemed out of their league. They were largely led by Dave Carney and Rob Johnson, both of whom I like tremendously. Things, however, did not work out as planned and Rick Perry brought in Joe Allbaugh who managed President Bush’s campaign.
Unfortunately, but perhaps necessarily, Allbaugh created a shadow campaign team within the campaign and it became divided between the “Austin Team” and the “Shadow Team” with the Allbaugh led shadow team calling the shots and the Austin Team being resented. Carney left. Johnson went to Iowa. The Austin just is. And that is not a healthy dynamic.
The campaign had a split personality, neither of which could effectively serve Rick Perry. It festered.
Allbaugh is a good guy who many credit with turning the team around, but the situation has festered for too long. There are good people in the Austin team, many of whom are very close friends of mine. There are good people in the “shadow” team, many of whom are very close friends of mine.
What neither team has had is strong leadership. Things have spun out of control. I do not have confidence in the leadership team and without a change there I do not know that Perry can remedy things. It also seems clear to me that his advertising in Iowa may have held him steady, but certainly didn’t distinguish him from the field. His messaging has been lackluster.
As much as it may pain him to do so, Rick Perry needs to thank Joe Allbaugh and let him go home. He needs to thank Ray Sullivan and let him, Mark Miner, and Robert Black go back to Texas to serve on the Governor’s Team. Perry needs to find a new pollster too. He has some good staff in place who can lead a smaller, more nimble campaign team with a tight message, a couple of solid ads, and a focus on making this a fight for the heart and soul of the Republican Party — will be be a party of big spending or a party that devolves power back to the states and people.
A firm, clean, and complete reboot of the Perry campaign shows that Perry is in charge and that he has the leadership skills to switch gears from failure.
I think Rick Perry can reboot. I think he can start raising money again. I think he has the money to compete in South Carolina.
But he has to sharpen his conservative-populist economic message, sell his biography as a farmer/veteran/job creator, and he has to fight like hell.
The odds are long, but it is possible. Gingrich will destroy Romney, potentially hurting himself, and I do not believe Santorum will survive the vetting process. That leaves an opening for a genuinely repentant and rebooted Rick Perry to get one last look in South Carolina.
Moe Lane
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Victoria Coates
Daniel Horowitz
Dan Spencer
He had better. Santorum is no good.
momac Wednesday, January 4th at 10:18PM EST (link)Easy contrast:
PERRY: “I will get up every day and go to that Oval Office trying to make Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your life as I can.”
SANTORUM: “There is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.”
If you like Santorum’s stance there– and bear in mind he wrote that. He chose it as a subject, refined it, that’s the nut of his mindset– then enjoy. I’m out.
I want a guy that wants to leave me alone. That is not Rick Santorum. Not even close.
I donated another $200 for Perry today. I don’t have $200 really.
I donated today for his return
nancysabet Wednesday, January 4th at 10:38PM EST (link)and won’t stop till his nomination.
AND WHEN ALL THE DUST HAS SETTLED….PERRY WILL STILL BE STANDING TALK AMONG ALL THE CHOAS AROUND HIM….
Just donated for his return
nancysabet Wednesday, January 4th at 10:39PM EST (link)and won’t stop till his nomination.
AND WHEN ALL THE DUST HAS SETTLED….PERRY WILL STILL BE STANDING TALK AMONG ALL THE CHOAS AROUND HIM….
Visit him on Facebook
supergirl2911 Wednesday, January 4th at 11:28PM EST (link)and share his page through fb and tweets. I am contributing as well.
Count me in on additional donations
tercel Thursday, January 5th at 10:21AM EST (link)Rick Perry is the only person in the Republican field that is ALL three legs of Ronald Regan’s conservative stool. Perry is a social, economic and national security conservative.
Below is the speech I gave at one of the Iowa Caucuses. I hope South Carolina sees his qualities.
Caucus Speech for Rick Perry
Hi. My name is.?
As you can see from my Big Hair and my twang, I’m not from here.
?1st I want to thank you for your hospitality and for holding off the snow.
?The reason I’m here is because my country is going to hell in a hand basket and I am not going down without a fight.
?Like you, I sat down to evaluate the candidates in this field. I did my research and determined that the best qualified and most experienced candidate was my very own governor.
??Governor Rick Perry.?
Governor Perry is neither Washington nor Wall Street.
?He is all 3 legs of Ronald Reagan’s conservative stool. He is an economic conservative, a social conservative, and a national security conservative.
??Did you know that 45% of all the jobs created in the entire US in the last 2yrs were created in Texas under Governor Perry’s policies of low taxes, low regulation, and tort reform.??
Texas has gained 4 congressional districts under Rick Perry’s tenure in office because businesses and jobs are flocking to Texas.??
Governor Perry is pro-life and always has been.
?He signed the parental consent bill.?
He signed the sonogram bill that says that everyone seeking an abortion must first have a sonogram and view it prior to the abortion.?
And he signed the bill that defunded Planned Parenthood in Texas. Because of this they have shut down 12 of their clinics.??Rick
Perry is the only candidate running that volunteered and served in the US military. This was during Vietnam. Not Drafted. NO Deferment. When his country called, he stepped up to the plate. He earned the rank of Captain in the US Air Force.
?Governor Perry signed the conceal and carry permit law and has an A+ rating with the NRA.
?Governor Perry has signed 6 Balanced Budgets. As you can imagine in this last session, funds were tight and there was a lot of gnashing of teeth. BUT Governor Perry made the legislature stay in session until they got the job done. Texas is projected to have a budget surplus next year.
??I hope when you vote ?you will vote for Governor Rick Perry and give him the opportunity to accomplish for my country what he has accomplished for my state.?
Thank you.
Great
supergirl2911 Thursday, January 5th at 5:49PM EST (link)And thank you!
Read Hayek, Friedman or Hazlitt. Santorum is Right.
quill67 (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:49PM EST (link)A free market requires people to be of strong morals, to help others develop their potential, and the future. A state run society does not require these because it is run by fear and force.
It is a paradox. In order to have a society of individualism, we need people of strong morals who consider others. Not out of force but out of free will. To help people help themselves–not to reward those who won’t help themselves. This is the basics of conservatism and even libertarians know this. Even as radical an iindividualists as Ayn Rand was, her writings held a strong moral ethic (non-religious though) about doing the right thing and helping people who showed talent to succeed.
Santorum is obviously a statist
Paul_Zummo (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:04PM EST (link)Remember, he’s the big government guy who said you can’t be a fiscal conservative if you’re not a social conservative.
Oh, wait, that was Jim DeMint.
I understand that folks on here want to take Santorum down because he especially undermines Perry. As a Perry guy myself, I think that he’s a better fit for the Oval Office for the times we’re in. But Santorum is a close second, and the attempts to undermine him are almost as bad as the attacks on Gingrich, if not worse because at least some of the criticisms of Gingrich were valid.
I concur. Santorum can be fairly called a "spender" for a conservative politician, but "statist" is kind of crazy
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:09PM EST (link)Santorum is far superior to Obama, and I don’t agree with people who say he CAN’T beat Obama.
Anyone capable of winning the nomination is capable of beating Obama.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Show me where Santorum wanted to cut any government program, J. Sobieski.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:14PM EST (link)Anything.
Santorum’s resume reads, to me, like “Failed cheerleader for Bush 2.0″.
I’ll vote for him in the general, but .. I don’t expect him to survive to Super Tuesday.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
555! That line is the best, most succint description
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:17PM EST (link)of Santorum that I have seen anywhere:
“Failed cheerleader for Bush 2.0?
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
For a cheerleader, he should be happier
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:22PM EST (link)Just heard his interview with O’Reilly. He did pretty well until the black/welfare question came up.
(1) He got really defensive
(2) He started braggining about routing federal funding to historically black colleges/university
Not a statist answer, but definitely a spender.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Santorum's a *Failed* cheerleader, J. Sobieski.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:32PM EST (link)The failure being made very clear to the entire country in November of 2006 when the GOP lost the Senate and Santorum was returned to the private sector by the worst margin of any of his peers.
Clearly, he chose .. poorly.
I see no indication that he’s changed his tune, nor do I have any desire to reward such idiocy.
I will hold my nose and vote for him if he wins the nomination, but I do not expect him to survive much past Super Tuesday at the latest.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Me too! But I thought that Iowans
bs61 Thursday, January 5th at 8:39AM EST (link)were gonna focus on fiscal conservatives, not social ones?! It’s very frustrating, so I hope Perry stays in!
Please feel free to re-use as needed, asthete.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:23PM EST (link)I’m not thrilled with it, actually. I don’t feel it gets across the depth of “big government” Santorum endorses, and it also leaves the Terri Schiavo debacle untouched, but … it is most of how Santorum spent his time in the Senate.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
On second thought, I agree.
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:46PM EST (link)I do like that it captures part of Santorum’s record as the guy who wet himself in glee that Bush was spending money, unlike those evil libertarian Republicans — but yes, it does not capture the extent to which he was more statist in many ways than Frmr Pres Bush.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Acat, what did Santorum have to do with...
racetraitor Thursday, January 5th at 12:25AM EST (link)the Terri Schiavo debacle? I’m quite familiar with the particulars of that terrible case, but don’t know how Santy is tied to it. Please enlighten.
As I recall it, Santorum was "The face of saving Terri" in the Senate...
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:31AM EST (link)getting in front of every camera crew he could find.
Without dredging up the entire case again, Santorum’s decision to get involved in the media, rather than acting behind the scenes, gave the appearance (I would say stench) of one who is seeking attention and currying favor, rather than of one who is seeking to save a life.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Got it, Acat. Thanks.
racetraitor Thursday, January 5th at 12:54AM EST (link)n/t
this characterizes his meme...
rsklaroff (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 9:48AM EST (link)…and contrasts with the man who “walks the talk”…Perry.
Robert B. Sklaroff, M.D.
r.sklaroff@verizon.net
[the guy with the "RS-diary" dedicated to differentiating trustworthy conservative-pundits from inside-the-beltway-RINO's]
“…fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”
I don't know, that just seems to be his style -
littlehouse18 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:32AM EST (link)to go all out for something. I believe that he was simply staying true to his ardently pro-life views and thought this would help the Schiavo cause.
Now, I can see where his style can be perceived as abrasive.
There's a difference, litthehouse18, between going "all in" and stealing the spotlight.
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 11:26AM EST (link)In this and other instances, Santorum appeared to be using the issue for his gain, not spending his political capital to help move the issue.
That’s not “abrasive”, it’s “attention-seeking”.. we call out the same fault in Dems, why not be honest when a GOPer has it?
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Bush was "spender" but not a "statist"
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:20PM EST (link)Santorum as you point out is equivalent to Bush—his cheerleader.
Lets not define statism down.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I'm not defining statism down, J. Sobieski. I'm describing Santorum accurately.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:28PM EST (link)Santorum certainly cheered for those programs of Bush’s that gave fiscal conservatives and libertarians the most heartburn.
Had it stopped there, I would tend to agree with your assessment.
The problem is, Santorum doubled down in his writings and in some of his comments – Erick did a decent job covering this a few days back – and appears to think Bush didn’t go far enough.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
When talking to Rick Santorum, the MSM sometimes gets two concepts mixed up
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:33PM EST (link)that something is bad/wrong/non-optimal vs. something that should be made illegal
A great example of that confusion is on things like birth control. He is against birth control, but not in favor of laws that are against birth control.
Your initial response to me consisted SOLELY of spending. The only instance of statism that I am aware of is his mandatory public service thing, which I put in the category of college dorm room academic discussion—he never put a bill together as far as I know.
P.S. I am really trying to moderate my own comments as to avoid unnecessary divisiveness.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I will observe, J. Sobieski, that thus far ..
acat (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:47PM EST (link)you’ve not answered my initial question.
What did Santorum want to cut?
I’m ignoring, for the moment, that Santorum completely lacks executive experience.
I’m not pulling punches at this point – every argument that says Romney is a recipe for GOP disaster because conservatives would be constantly on the phone holding his feet to the fire apply just as well toward Santorum – and at least Romney has executive and private sector experience.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Not wanting to cut anything makes a person a spender--by definition
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:00AM EST (link)A statist requires something more.
I am not defending Rick Santorum. The guy makes Romney look good. Frankly, Romney is licking his chops at his luck—Santorum makes him look good on fiscal matters in ways that Perry and Bachmann don’t. Santorum is the social conservative that Romney has been waiting for.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Disagree, J. Sobieski. If all Santorum wanted to do ..
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:10AM EST (link)was spend, spend, spend – building roads, dams, artificial islands, Gingrich’s moonbase for asteroid mining – that’d be one thing.
Santorum seems to, based on his writing and on his bloviating while in office – specifically around Terri Schaivo, want to spend with a goal of changing society.
That’s not acceptable to me, whether you’re willing to agree that it rises to the level of “statist” or not.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
We agree that we don't want it. I have consistently argued that
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:29AM EST (link)Conservatism at the federal level (government of enumerated powers) should be very difficult to differentiate from libertarianism.
The differences between conservatism and libertarianism should manifest themselves primarily at the state and local level. But of course “should” is far far away from where we actually are.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
So do liberals
renl57 Thursday, January 5th at 7:38AM EST (link)“Santorum seems to…want to spend with a goal of changing society.”
And that’s exactly what modern liberals want to do.
Santorum is a conservative social engineer, just like Obama is a left-wing social engineer.
Both want to take the American people as they are, and gradually “tweak” them to better fit their personal visions of an ideal society.
I dislike social engineering regardless of whether it’s for conservative or liberal goals.
“Don’t tread on me.”
Worked in 1776.
Worked for the modern Tea Party.
Works for me.
I think he was just trying to save the life
littlehouse18 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:37AM EST (link)of a woman who was clearly not a “vegetable”, but had indeed committed the crime of being inconvenient, and offered a life-insurance payout.
I reviewed his record some months ago
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:59PM EST (link)and found various proposed legislation. Most of Santorum’s proposed legislation was either in the category of animals (he’s a big animal welfare guy), business legislation (he’s for a LOT of that, esp environmental regs), and education legislation (a mixed bag; mostly culture war stuff but also some subsidies for private universities or K-12 and the like). The amount of anti-business legislation was quite surprising to me; it was a step above “go with the flow”, for me. “Statist” is a rather catch-all term, but accurate when describing someone who characterizes himself as opposing individual liberty, who supports increased government in almost every facet of life, and whose primary issues (drug war, sodomy laws, anti-abortion) are those which require an increase in government and decrease in personal autonomy.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Oh, one other thing
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:01AM EST (link)and this I cannot abide: Santorum is (as is the tendency among socially conservative populists) a hidebound protectionist, having voted against NAFTA, for increased tariffs, and supporting a trade war against China (of course).
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Being anti-free trade doesn't make one a statist either
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:09AM EST (link)Being pro-nanny state (a category that catches both Santorum and Huckabee) is not sufficient in my view to constitute statism.
Libertarianism is to anarchy as nanny-statism is to statism.
How about the following scale from bad to worse:
(1) spender – photograph of W
(2) nanny-state advocate: Huckabee, Santorum
(3) statist: Obama
Statism in my view requires laws and philosophy specifically designed to strengthen the state vis a vis the citizenry/private sectory.
Nanny-statism can appear as statism, but it is an example of death by a million cuts, it is not a purposeful attempt to strengthen government at the expense of liberty, rather its an attempt to protect animals, protect children, etc.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
That's a good way of looking at it
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:11AM EST (link)I do like that very much, actually. I think I’ll use those definitions, and hopefully they’ll stick — they are more useful delineations than the current statist/not statist dichotomy.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Otherwise everyone who isn't a tea party Republican is a statist
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:19AM EST (link)which is a depressing thought
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
They're genuinely useful definitions as well, though
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:37AM EST (link)“Nanny-staters” are potentially persuadeable, and could theoretically work with a more classically liberal President. “Nanny statist” voters are eminently persuadeable; they like liberty, but have pet issues. Being respectful and informed often helps with that type of voter. Statists in the BO mold, methinks, are rare — that’s a good thing, since I think that the “nanny staters” are persuadeable in a way that statists are not. My thoughts are in a jumble and I should stop slobbering over your post, but I really do prefer your definitions — they’re not Manichean or overly broad (neither being a particularly useful trait in politics), and imply a certain amount of malleability in the voting public and among elected officials.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
So, asthete, J. Sobieski .. where in this grouping would you place Romney?
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:41AM EST (link)Or Roemer? Or Huntsman or Gingrich?
Let’s see if this scale works….
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
All the candidates except Perry exhibit SOME "nanny-statism"
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:48AM EST (link)Newt is kind of a category all of itself, since he spends so much time and thought trying to find ways to turn government in on itself and reform things (rather than just ending them).
Santorum is probably the only true nanny-stater, with the others just exhibiting tendancies on certain issues.
The better question is–who are the spenders?
Would Romney really try to get spending under control?
Santorum is a spender, no doubt about it.
I trust all of the other non-Romneys to give spending reductions a good effort. Not sure about Romney.
In terms of entitlement reform, I don’t trust Romney at all, but I do trust Perry, Newt, and Huntsman—which is why those three are my guys.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Agreed on all counts.
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:52AM EST (link)Entitlement reform makes those my top three candidates, as well.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
I'd argue that, based on ...
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:00AM EST (link)Massachusetts revenues remaining fairly constant despite Romney re-defining some revenue from “tax” to “fee”, Romney’s record is that of a spender. A non-spender would have been able to reduce revenue as it wouldn’t have been necessary. (this politely ignores anything Romney says)
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Almost nobody actually reduces government spending
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:05AM EST (link)Spending went up under Mitch Daniels, and we wouldn’t consider him to be a spender. There is a sliding scale here.
Calling Romney a spender means that he does spend money—but that he isn’t looking to pass laws on things like banning junk food from school, making businesses offer exercise memberships to employees, etc.
I have no doubt that Romney left to his own devices is a spender. The question is would he go along with the mood of the moment which is to reduce spending?
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Romney tried
renl57 Thursday, January 5th at 7:45AM EST (link)In the MA legislature, Dems outnumber Repubs 4 to 1. They overrode hundreds of Romney’s vetoes of spending legislation.
Romney issued literally hundreds of vetoes during his term. Nearly every single one was overridden by the legislature.
Even if Rick Perry were governor of MA, he couldn’t have stopped the MA legislature from spending like crazy. The MA legislature routinely override governors’ vetoes with relish.
Folks on RS have no idea just how dominant liberal Dems are in MA. In a number of local races, the GOP doesn’t even bother to run candidates because they haven’t got a chance. You walk into the voting booth and you find only one party on the ballot (the Dems). Just seeing a ballot with just one party on it should be disturbing to American voters.
Sounds like an Obama 2012 poster...Romney tried
texastaxpayer (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 7:58AM EST (link)Romney supporters crack me up. mittens isnt responsible for any of the failures of his term the liberals did it but he gets credit for anything remotely successful. Shouldnt the liberals get ccredit for the successes as well by that logic?
“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston
the excuse that Romney was forced to be a liberal gov because of a Dem legislature
circlegranch Thursday, January 5th at 10:09AM EST (link)is getting very tiresome. Romney was preceded by 3 Republican governors in MA. He claims as gov he was a staunch conservative but had to bend and mold in order to ‘get things done’ with a Democrat majority. After years and years of having Republican governors, and Romney claiming to be a loyalist in the conservative movement, what can he point to as his effort to change that environment? If MA voters were comfortable electing Republican governors, they surely would have had some tolerance for more Republicans in their state house. Can Mr. Romney point to a record of actively recruiting and helping Republicans run for those Democrat-held seats? What did he do, first as a private citizen and then as the governor to build a conservative coalition? In his race against Ted Kennedy in ’94, he ran to the left of Kennedy. Is that being a true conservative at heart and being bold about promoting the conservative agenda? It’s reported in a new book released in the last several days that he told the leaders of his church that polling showed he had to hide his pro-life position in order to stand a chance against Kennedy. Is that how conservatism is promoted and spread?
Given Romney’s adamant claims that he’s a rock-rib conservative, and knowing how many times he sought elected office, it is hard to understand why he stayed in a blue state. If he knew each time he ran that he would have to hide and cover up his true conservatism in order to win, why would he even want to hold an office in a state that forced him to do so? Why not follow the lead of others such as Hillary Clinton and relocate to a state with a majority of voters that agree with your platform? In doing so, you can be yourself and be true to your political beliefs, and you probably have a better shot at winning most of the time because people know you aren’t a phony.
We are to believe that poor Mitt Romney has had to spend his political career hiding his true self, lest he lose the races he has run. This may be one reason why 75% of Republicans remain unwilling to follow his brand of conservatism which is hide your beliefs, be dishonest about them by taking the opposite position in order to be elected.
In that scale, how does one classify politicians who like corporate welfare
thirstyboots Thursday, January 5th at 12:30PM EST (link)in the form of tax expenditures and/or direct subsidies?
For example, governors who get only a B on the CATO reports because of their spending on corporate welfare in spite of working with very conservative legislatures?
Still beating that drum, thirsty?
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:39PM EST (link)You havn’t been able to pin that label on Perry, but keep trying.
I will give kudos for tenacity, though.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
I think the better question is
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:50AM EST (link)where *wouldn’t* you put Romney, given all of his public statements
Gingrich I would categorize as being somewhere between “spender” and classical liberal.
I honestly don’t know the first thing about Roemer, except that he lost to David Duke.
Huntsman? Around the same as Gingrich.
Perry? Maybe a little bit of spender, but mostly classical liberal.
If I were using a visual medium, a number line would probably work, though as with most indices and measures of this sort, it would probably be problematic to quantify it in a way that everyone could agree on.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
I believe you are confused
timkellogg Thursday, January 5th at 9:53PM EST (link)as to the definition of Classical Liberal. That is a libertarian with a moral foundation, not a desire for government to enforce morality or intervene in daily life. Like our founders. Like me.
I think a classical liberal is very close to a libertarian
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:46PM EST (link)at least at the federal level in a government of limited powers as enumerated in the Constitution.
I don’t think history agrees with you when it comes to government at the state level.
Locke is the father of classical liberalism and it is worth remembering that both conservatives and liberals claim him as their own. The social compact concept can easily take one beyond libertarianism.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Need to create a full list of categories first
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:54AM EST (link)(1) Anarchist
(2) Libertarian
(3) Conservative tea party/enumerated powers republican
(4) Spender
(5) Nanny-statist
(6) Statist
(7) Dictatorial Statist
Perry is a 3. Newt is a 3 with asterisk, because he is not a spender, but he gets so wrapped up in clever reforms that he can solidify the gains of the nanny-statists.
Huntsman is similar to Newt. Not a general spender, but will engage in occasstional nanny-statism.
Santorum is (5).
Romney is a solid Bush (4).
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Prior art, J. Sobieski.
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:03AM EST (link)Pournelle’s Axes look like they’d cut close enough for our purposes.
I *think* I agree with you on Romney; he’s clearly a spender – see my note above – but he’s closer kin to Gingrich (a born tinker) than Santorum…
I’d like to *know* that, but Romney’s never run a real State, just the People’s Republic of Massachusetts.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Starting to sound like an old-school RPG
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:11AM EST (link)Perhaps we should just use a class system?
Class: Nanny Stater
Description: Nanny Staters are proficient with the bill, committee, microphone, and PAC; weak with Bill of Rights. Pair with spender class to achieve maximum results. Avoid combat with large groups of grassroots when possible.
Statistics: +4 fundraising, +3 speech, -1 graft
Unique ability: Can summon minor bureaucrat once per day.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Saving throw required in a government shutdown
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:22AM EST (link)except for anarchists, who advance 1 level upon each occurrence.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
As old D&Der
texashistorian (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:22AM EST (link)I love this one Aesthete!! Nicely done!
The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.
- Paul Johnson
Great definition/illustration for statist!
cbartlett Thursday, January 5th at 10:26PM EST (link)I love the education I can get from this site. Thanks!
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln
A distinction without difference, J. Sobieski?
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:15AM EST (link)The end result of a death by 1,000 cuts is still a death.
Heck, one could even argue that Obama is more efficient, were one likely to be permitted to argue, that is.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Involuntary manslaughter and first degree murder are different
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:17AM EST (link)But you are correct that the victim is dead in either case.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
JSobieski. Where do Romney, Huntsman, and Perry fit in?
cheetah2 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:56PM EST (link)(1) spender – photograph of W
(2) nanny-state advocate: Huckabee, Santorum
(3) statist: Obama
nowhere on this list I hope. I am all in for Perry but seriously considering going straight to Romney if Perry fails. I can’t abide the thought of another novice at the helm of our country. It’s got to be a governor I think. So after Perry that would be Romney. Huntsman maybe but he is in the same boat with Perry at this point. (both 4% on Rassmussen today.) How sad that 2 of the only three men who are actually qualified to be POTUS are running dead last.
What are people thinking? I have a friend that supports Santorum because he was endorsed by the Dugger family and he drove all over Iowa in a pickup truck. How pray tell does that qualify him to be POTUS?
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
According to my scale and my information on the candidates
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:11PM EST (link)(1) Anarchist
(2) Libertarian
(3) Conservative tea party/enumerated powers republican
(4) Spender
(5) Nanny-statist
(6) Statist
(7) Dictatorial Statist
Perry is pretty much a pure 3
Newt is a 3 with asterisk, because he is not a spender, but he gets so wrapped up in clever reforms that he can solidify the gains of the nanny-statists. In some respects, he is a nanny-statist on the environment, but he also has some interesting specific ideas on reforming the EPA.
Huntsman is similar to Newt, a 3 with an asterisk due to certain nanny state deviations (global warming). Huntsman as less of a Beta than Newt because . . well everyone has less of a Beta than Newt.
Romney in my view is pure 4—a George W Bush on economic matters. Won’t increase taxes, but doesn’t seem very credible on spending cuts. Until recently he has provided only tepid support for entitlement reform (its a topic he avoids), and even less for tax reform. Romney will be led by Congress on spending issues. W would have behaved differently if he was President now, and I think Romney will do the same.
Santorum is a pure 5, particularly if you factor in the things he has said or written. Mandatory national service is nanny-state all the way.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Thanks, JSobieski.
cheetah2 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 4:44PM EST (link)it is disheartening to see how limited our choices are.
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
Why is Santorum against birth control?
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 1:34AM EST (link)Doesn’t he realize that it prevents the birth of millions of bastard babies every year?
I’m all for making abortion-on-demand illegal. But I have no problem with birth control. It keeps my marriage happy.
Catholic Church is against birth control
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:37AM EST (link)nt
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Oh yeah.
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 2:15AM EST (link)So you’re saying that Rick is personally against birth control but he has no problem with allowing doctors to prescribe it, etc.
I wonder what is position is on the morning after pill?
I think that it should be legal as long as it is prescribed by a doctor. Obama almost allowed it to be sold over the counter like advil. That would have made it harder for law enforcement to learn when girls were being raped. It would have cut doctors (mandatory reporters) out of the loop.
I’d like to see abortion-on-demand ended. I’m ok with abortion ONLY if the mother’s life is at risk or if she did not consent to the sex. I think that most abortions are done simply out of selfishness and a lack of concern for the unborn human.
I can't speak for Santorum, but problems with some kinds of birth control is
cheetah2 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:26PM EST (link)They work some or all of the time by causing a very early abortion. The methods that use hormones like BCPs work by suppressing ovulation. If ovulation occurs however, implantation is usually prevented. With IUDs the sole means of pregnancy prevention is stopping an embryo from implanting in the uterus.
This leaves only barrier methods and natural family planning as acceptable forms to insure that one does not ever inadvertantly destroy a human life. The only method acceptable to the Catholic Church is natural family planning, which works reasonably well if a proper method is used. Trouble is there can be mistakes made which result of course in pregnancy, so it is most suitable for situations where a little surprise now and then is an acceptable outcome. I myself have one of those little gifts from God. He is now 19 years old and what a total blessing he turned out to be!
BTW any form of birth control can fail, excepting abstinence which works every time it’s tried. I have heard of babies born clutching an IUD in one hand. I know someone who was using an implant (an implanted type of hormonal BCP) who is now the mamma of a healthy 9 month old baby boy.
I expect that Santorum would not try to ban any type of birth control except abortion which in my opinion should include the dangerous morning after pill. The answer here is education. People are typically not informed of these issues when deciding on a method of birth control.
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
clarification.
cheetah2 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:31PM EST (link)I should have said an implant is a hormonal type of birth control that consists of a tiny device implanted under the skin which releases pregnancy preventing hormones into the body. It is just like birth control pills and works the same way with the same problems I mentioned in my other comment, but without the need to remember to take the pill every day.
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
Santorum cut government
Freedoms Truth (Diary) Friday, January 6th at 10:58AM EST (link)when he voted for welfare reform, freedom to farm, 1990 budgets, many tax cuts, and he advocated social security reform in 2005.
“I’ll vote for him in the general, but .. I don’t expect him to survive to Super Tuesday.”
Then you are predicting a Romney win pretty much, because the latest polls show Santorum and Romney in 2nd and 1st place in both early states and nationally.
Freedoms Truth,
Travis Monitor – http://travismonitor.blogspot.com
Austin, TX
That's bull{fertilizer}, Travis. The Fed grew by leaps and bounds under a GOP-majority Senate...
acat (Diary) Friday, January 6th at 11:41AM EST (link)in which Santorum was a leader, as the GOP decided to try to stay in power the same way the Dems did – by buying votes.
Worse, Santorum was Bush 2.0′s best cheerleader in that same Senate.
Do you *really* think Team Obama, who ran on a Bush-bashing agenda, aren’t going to see Santorum as an easy target?
Please close your mouth, you’re removing all doubt.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Don't agree, JSob
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:23PM EST (link)From his career and proposed legislation in the Senate, it seems to me that Santorum is a bit more than a spender — he was and is in favor of the vast majority of regulation to come down the pike, including some that was unpopular even for Bush Republicans. His book, It Takes a Family, is even worse in many respects: in it, he advocates a forced draft into Americorps for citizens, writes passages that are strongly against individual liberty and cast it as being against traditional values (and that is an accurate paraphrase), and which support the Bush expansions, promising more where that came from with Santorum.
IMO, Santorum is clearly a hardline statist in a way that Bush was not — Pres Bush was a spender, and naive, but he was not against individual liberty as a concept. Santorum is.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
The Americorps thing I was aware of
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:38PM EST (link)although I note that he never actually proposed anything like that.
The language that he uses in describing individual liberty is not lanuage that I would agree with, but I am basing my evaluation on what he has done and what he proposed while in Congress.
Academic dorm-room discussions I tend to discount.
Does Rick have more statist fantasies than W? Sure, but its kind of like Newt’s discussions about mining the moon for energy sources.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I think that Rick Santorum's philosophy is relevant
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:44PM EST (link)because it tells me to what extent he will fight to preserve and expand the policies that Obama instituted.
In Santorum’s case, I believe that he, like Obama, would preserve almost all of his predecessor’s expansions and executive branch usurpation, and would fight to expand them. Again, his mindset on how to reform Americorps (and yes, I know that it was empty blather in a book rather than legislation), and actual proposed legislation, is problematic in a way that I believe would be very bad for conservatives and the country alike, were he President.
Thankfully, there is little chance that he goes any further than Huckabee.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
I don't disagree, I just like to keep words like "statist" and "socialist"
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:02AM EST (link)for people who clearly fall into those categories. At worst, Rick is a spender with some statist fantasies that he keeps bottled up or won’t act on.
Rick’s record is that of a spender, not of a statist.
The spending is bad enough—particularly given the tea party movement.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
That's fair, but to be honest
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:09AM EST (link)I always saw “statist” as a sort of catch-all term for all of the philosophies which call for increased government involvement in almost all facets of life, including (but not limited to) the diverse and distinct philosophies of socialism, fascism, and social/Christian democracy. Admittedly a broad definition, but that’s what I always understood as being meant with the term as Levin et al use it. “Socialist” I would say is more narrow, and Rick Santorum certainly isn’t one of those.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Understood, and you are not being unreasonable
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:14AM EST (link)I am probably trying to hard to be diplomatic in an attempt to avoid insulting Santorum supporters, and by extension–the state of Iowa.
If statism is a philosophy in which the purpose of government is not to protect individual rights, the entire democratic party and the majority of the republican party is comprised of statists.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I would tend to agree with your last paragraph, J. Sobieski.
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:16AM EST (link)And I have nothing kind to say about Iowa.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Kind hearted people acat, kind hearted people . . .
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:24AM EST (link)Another example of collectivism in action.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Kind hearts, sure. Soft heads, though.
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:27AM EST (link)Collectivism, even when practiced with a Church of Acts spit-shine, still rankles.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Not so fast
Adjoran (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:25AM EST (link)As a long admirer of Santorum, I have to face the fact he is simply NOT qualified by experience for the Presidency. The US federal government is the world’s largest enterprise with an annual budget larger than the entire economies of every other nation in the world except Japan and China.
There’s a reason we have often chosen Governors or Generals and only rarely a legislator. Their lack of executive experience is telling.
It’s just too big a job to be filled by an entry-level manager. It’s more than making speeches, it is running the whole darn government.
No argument with you except one---what is the linkage for passing laws and a moral population?
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:14PM EST (link)It seems to me that we have more laws than ever, and the population is less moral than ever before.
To my thinking, having too many laws has erased the very important space of “bad, but legal”.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Great question and great point.
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 1:38AM EST (link)We do have more laws than ever and people are just looking to deviate anyway they can, legally or otherwise.
All I can say is that I am primarily concerned about myself and my family. If the people down the street want to act crazy, that is their business. All I ask is that they don’t do it on my lawn and don’t ask me to pay for their weed, abortions, tattoos, pills, surgeries, etc.
Do it on your own nickel, as my dad used to say.
Too many laws for sure!
texabama Thursday, January 5th at 9:30AM EST (link)And now they’ve gotten to the point where they don’t even fit on a page or two, but require 1000+ pages. Insanity. We haven’t even begun the discussion of “regulations”…
santorum's not in the ballpark
momac Wednesday, January 4th at 11:16PM EST (link)of a hayek or a friedman or a hazlitt style economics.
he’s lou dobbs. a populist.
and in a free economy individuals choose the people they do business with, and the strong morals become a necessary prerequisite to be trusted in business. that has zero to do with the president.
I was depressed last night.
txindependent Wednesday, January 4th at 11:13PM EST (link)But I’m happy to hear he’s pressing on.
Perry is the only one who can save us from Romney. Santorum is a nice man, but he’s a light-weight. And I don’t want another junior Senator with no executive experience. Romney is a terrible candidate: I will sit it out if he’s the nominee.
Rebulicans are idiots if they think Romney is the one who will appeal to independents. I am an independent and he’s the most unlikable candidate I’ve ever seen. I liked and respected McCain, and voted for him instead of the junior-senator Obama. But Romney is much worse than McCain – he’s the most unlikable character I’ve ever seen – to the point he’s laughable. Independents and moderates will not vote for this elitist robot man.
I hope Gov. Perry’s donors realize that Perry can appeal to a wide range. Not because he’s liberal, but because he’s likable. Like it or not, that’s important. No one is going to vote for munster head.
Donated to Gov Perry today.
Iam forPerry too!
CarolT (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:51PM EST (link)I hope Rick Perry is our nominee, otherwise it will be Willard Mitt Romney and the Rs lose to the incumbent. Our only chance in Rick Perry.
Romney can beat Obama.
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 1:40AM EST (link)Although Perry had a shot at being the nominee, and probably would have been a strong nominee had he invested more time in debate prep, Iowa prep, and learning the rules for ballot qualification in Virginia, his ship has sailed.
I’m convinced that a president with a 42% approval rating who passed a health care law that most of the U.S. still opposes, will be unceremoniously dumped by Romney, a guy who rarely makes a mistake and gets forgiven when he does.
Still shilling for Willard? LOL
Tbone (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:58AM EST (link)Look sparky, you are not going to convince anyone that Romney is not a turd. But. you don’t have too because if it comes to it, he will at least be our turd.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
How can Perry appeal to non-Red states?
renl57 Thursday, January 5th at 8:03AM EST (link)Tell me what Perry’s message will be to: Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Because if the GOP candidate loses all four, he’s lost the election.
How does Perry win Florida–with its huge population of retirees–after he is on the record calling Social Security “a Ponzi scheme.” The attack ads against Perry which the Dems would use on those retirees are obvious.
Is he going to tell those retirees “For you, if you like Social Security and Medicare, nothing will change”? Because THAT sounds like ObamaCare’s promise that “If you like your current health care plan, you can keep it”–and that turned out to be a lie.
How does Perry win Ohio? They don’t have oil in Ohio. What can his message be to them?
Perry's job message should do just fine regardless the state
texabama Thursday, January 5th at 9:43AM EST (link)Seems to me that Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida need jobs pretty badly. They also are states that would benefit from less regulation and increasing domestic energy production. Perry’s blue collar roots should certainly be an asset rather than a detractor.
As far as Florida and Social Security: The elderly know it’s a Ponzi Scheme. They also know that no one is going to take it away from them at this stage of the game. Most of the elderly have children and grandchildren whose futures are in jeopardy because of our debt crisis. The focus needs to be on that.
txindy, great to hear you are on board!
circlegranch Thursday, January 5th at 10:30AM EST (link)As an independent, you can have a big impact in promoting Gov Perry to those of like minds.
Seems to me as this draws out, the 25% that support Romney will never come over to support Perry. Of the 75% that do not support Romney, a large portion of them could easily support Rick Perry because while they’ve been wandering in the wilderness looking for a ‘true conservative’ that checks most of their boxes, he’s been standing here all the time. That 25% of the Republican elite, ruling class will sit home rather than vote for Perry. They’ve done it time and again. Withholding their votes in order to secure a win for the Democrat is their way of ‘controlling’ the party and they use their vote, or the lack thereof, as a hickory stick on their minions that stray from the fold.
If you, as an Independent, can get out into your sphere of contacts and make the case for Rick Perry (www.makeamericagreatagain.com has some great points to use), he can gain momentum with the Independent voter. EE writes here of the need for a different messaging approach. We all can play a part in that by working in our own precincts and talking to our neighbors, families and friends. Go to www.rickperry.org and buy a bumper sticker. One bumper sticker on a car equals $1000 in advertising. Yes, as EE says here, the campaign is nothing to be proud of so its hard to take that bold step and put Perry’s name on your vehicle; its been a rough ride and its not popular in some places to advertise your candidate but that won’t change unless WE CHANGE IT. For every person sitting at a red light that sees that Perry sticker and is undecided so far, somebody is going to get more confident by seeing your confidence. Your county GOP office might have bumper stickers on hand and for either a very small fee for possibly for no charge you can get one and get it out there this weekend, across the country. Confidence is contagious. We have to take a personal responsibility to do something other than fret. Perry can fire and hire the best in the campaign business but nothing replaces the old fashioned ways of spreading support for a candidate–bumper stickers, yard signs, talking to people. Invite people for coffee and start talking about Perry’s record.
Consider this Day One of his campaign. Redemption.
I donated, too, but I want to slap Erick
flgal208 Thursday, January 5th at 2:15AM EST (link)this piece is depressing. I went to bed early this morning, praying that Rick was going home for a snooze in his own bed and to gather himself for mile 2, 3, 4…then when I saw the tweet this morning, I was jubilant. This piece took it all away. What’s its purpose?
If Erick knows all these people, including Rick, I assume, why not send them PRIVATELY this little hit piece? Why share with the world and give the naysayers more ammunition?!?!!?
The first rules of combat is not to let them see you bleed/sweat and Erick just took a video and posted in on-line.
After reading this, how does it help get more people/money on his campaign?!?!? In fact, how is this helpful in any way, shape or form???
Yes, it’s probably brutally honest, but for what purpose? I don’t get it…is it a precursor for Erick to throw in the towel, jump ship to a lesser candidate?
I’m not a spitter, but right now, I wish I was to get this terrible taste out of my mouth. We Perry supporters are doing everything we can today to fire everyone up and help save this campaign and Erick writes this!!! Feels like a chop block.
Excellent point
Adjoran (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:31AM EST (link)Putting this advice up publicly almost ensures it can’t be followed now. Rivals and critics will squeal that Perry “is letting some blogger run his campaign now.”
Obviously, Erick is onto something. I am not familiar with the individuals or the inner workings and misfires of the campaign like he is, so I can’t comment on the specifics, but anyone can see something more than a few debate gaffes caused the dramatic decline in support.
In national politics, when a viable candidate experiences multiple problems, it is usually the campaign. Look at McCain last cycle – he fired everyone for burning through his substantial nest egg and had to start from scratch and with nearly no money, yet won.
Agree - Too Much "Inside Baseball"
ctredstater Thursday, January 5th at 11:54AM EST (link)I have huge respect for Erick, whose analysis has been invaluable to me trying to get a sense of what is actually happening in places thousands of miles from where I am.
but I have no way to judge what he has written about here – and I question whether or not he wants to step across the line and start giving highly personnel-specific advice to candidates – especially this one which is in such a critical moment.
I see no upside value whatever to having had these names and personnel evaluations posted. Though I will continue to look forward to Erick’s commentary – and I do think a good night’s sleep (from a previous commenter) sounds like a good idea.
All our candidates have gotten this.
littlehouse18 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:47AM EST (link)They’ve been so eviscerated by our own side that regardless of the nominee, our chances to oust Obama have surely been dameged,
I agree 1000%, flgal208!
cheetah2 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:37PM EST (link)Perry people were retweeting this article all over the place yesterday not realizing that it makes Perry look bad. It is in the pro Perry FaceBook groups as well. This advice should have been communicated privately not spread all over the internet and twitterverse.
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
Spine Surgery
teridavisnewman (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:07AM EST (link)I had the same surgery in 2006 that Perry had, (mine was a 5-level L-spine fusion) and there’s NO POSSIBLE WAY that he could not have been on pain medication for the debates. We are talking about serious major surgery and it takes months to recover from a multi-level fusion. It’s unbelievable that in a few short weeks he could have been ready for the debates. I did 11 days in the hospital and it took me 5 months to recover, and I’m younger that he is by nearly a decade and was in very good physical condition going into the surgery. It took me 5 weeks to be able to stand up straight and walk to the bathroom unaided.
If I had had to participate in a debate, it would have been impossible because I was on enough pain medication that I couldn’t have debated a 6 year old over a lollipop and won. He went out on the campaign trail MUCH TO SOON after his spine fusion and that’s why he looked bad in the debates. He needs to fess up to that and reboot and move on. He’s still my favored candidate although a ham sandwich is better than Obama and I will vote for the Republican nominee, no matter who it is.
Teri Davis Newman
2010 Republican Nominee for Congress
2012 Candidate for Congress
12th Congressional District of Illinois
www.terinewman.com
I have had two neck surgeries
CarolT (Diary) Friday, January 6th at 12:30AM EST (link)Neck is cervical spine. I had on in 2000 and was back at work in two weeks, the second was in 2004. I was out of work from November 10 – January 31, it may have ben longer. I would go to the office a few days a week and work from home.
Rick Perry was suffering from the surgery, drugs to knock you out, the longer you are out, the longer it takes you to get all that poison out of your system.
Now I am truly PO’d-Dick Morris dismissed Rcik Perry as out of it.
I unsubscribed to his daily emails but now I am sending Dick one. I do not trust any man that worked for the Clintons! I am giong to give Rick Perry a few $ too.
Campaign has serious communication issues.
charlenemae45 Thursday, January 5th at 11:18AM EST (link)My husband and I are die hard Perry supporters, but his speach after the Iowa caucas said to us he was dropping out, so we sent $100.00 to Santorum’s campaign. I donated 10 times that amount to Perry, I made calls to Iowa residents leading up to the voting, and I pride my self as being very informed, but I am still not sure if Gov Perry is in the race. He does need to FIRE the folks who are running the communications aspect of his campaign. Santorum is my 2nd choice, Perry is still my first. My teenage son attends Hillsdale College, he found out from me that Perry is the ONLY Millatry Vet, in the race, and is supported strongly by active, and retired armed forces, come on, GET IT TOGETHER GUYS.
charlenemae45: Yes, Perry is still VERY MUCH in the race! In
pttx333 (Diary) Friday, January 6th at 12:48AM EST (link)fact, he never said he was dropping out – he said he was going to reassess which is a totally different thing. Twelve hours later he tweeted that he was on his way to SC! So don’t count him out – ever. He is my Governor, and I have been through many elections with him. Hang tight, he will prevail!!
call in the big guns
bumbee6 Wednesday, January 4th at 10:19PM EST (link)I’m not necessarily a big fan of Karl Rove, but he could turn Perry’s campaign into a winning one. Would love to see such a bold move.
Won't happen.
LoneStarSon (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:26PM EST (link)Texas wasn’t big enough for Rove and Perry…
“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” – Sam Houston
Rove
CarolT (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:59PM EST (link)Karl Rove hates Rick Perry, almost the entire Bush clan endorsed Kay BH for governor over Perry in 2010. It will never happen, no one with a name will explain it but thee is a hatred between them. Perry said “George” was always a big spender etc fueled it
Rove let his ego affect how he dealt with Perry.
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 1:43AM EST (link)If you actually read about the stupid issue that got Perry into a feud with Bush and Rove it is hard to believe that something so small could create such a huge rift.
But such is politics.
I hope that Rove and his new American Crossroads organization makes BHO accountable for the destruction that he has done to America. BHO has held back the recovery of the economy by making life hell for businesses and job creators.
joshdunn ... read my post downthread. It will explain
pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:09AM EST (link)the Rove, Bush, Perry thing and then some.
Thanks.
Sure thing.
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 2:16AM EST (link)You’re welcome.
I'd rather have Dick Morris..
jrfromdallas Wednesday, January 4th at 10:40PM EST (link)over Karl Rove. Rove has been a baby ever since Perry burst onto the scene and Rove has purposely not mentioned his name when discussing the candidates to belittle his candidacy. I would rather ask Dick Morris to step in a review my staff and message.
I heard Dick Morris on Hannity today
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 10:59PM EST (link)He’s in Romney’s camp. No love there.
Rove isn't alone in not mentioning Perry's name... Mark Levin
kamiller42 Wednesday, January 4th at 11:00PM EST (link)It seems every time he lists candidates, he has trouble remember or outright forgets Perry’s name. Really odd for him considering he likes Perry. I know Levin recently announced he is in the Bachmann/Santorum boat, having been turned off by Perry’s initial failure to communicate. He can be won back.
I noticed the same thing
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 11:08PM EST (link)Has Perry been on his show? Levin seems to give everyone a fair shake. He should really have him on if Perry hasn’t been in the bunker yet.
He's been on Mark Levin's show
apex_phil Thursday, January 5th at 6:59AM EST (link)only once to my knowledge (I’m a regular listener). I wish Perry would get on there more. Mark likes him–has called him “conservative enough”. We need more callers to get on Levin’s show and tout Perry, too.
I had not donated to Perry until today. I was hoping for third or better in Iowa, but decided I would give today anyway.
radio talkers' success is based in numbers that listen
circlegranch Thursday, January 5th at 10:38AM EST (link)and if Levin and others get enough calls, emails, tweets, facebook postings that RESPECTFULLY ask that Gov Perry get air time and get a fair shake, they will listen. So do their advertisers.
Gov Perry should absolutely advertise on Rush’s’ show. Look what it did for Cain. As long as Cain was pumping big $$$$ into Rush’s bank account, he spent huge amounts of air time praising Cain. Rush himself, and many others, claim Santorum’s ad mentioning Rush’s name, along with Palin,may well have played a big part in his success in IA. Anybody that follows these big talkers closely and rely on them for news and commentary, crave their endorsements of candidates.
In Gov Perry’s case, since its reboot, try anything time, why not run ads on Rush’s show, maybe Levin’s too, for a week or so and see what happens? Sure can’t hurt.
Levin
LoneStarSon (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:24AM EST (link)seems to really have a problem with the in-state tuition for the children that were brought here through no fault of their own. That appears to be his major problem with Perry. Until you live in the state with the situation, it’s difficult to understand. I am not happy about the fact that they can enjoy in-state tuition rates, however, I’d rather these children correct the lawbreaking of their parents (I still say the parents should be fined and deported). Many of these children were lied to their entire lives and it’s not until they become an adult that the truth comes out. I know a young man that was brought here when he was 6 months old. He found out he was here illegally after being offered a full ride scholarship. He hasn’t spoken to his mother since, and is trying to become a legal citizen. It’s a sad situation.
“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” – Sam Houston
Levin a Huge Disappointment
ctredstater Thursday, January 5th at 7:27AM EST (link)I have listened to his show for years, but he has lost me with his coverage of this years nominating race. obviously a hugely important issue – for the future of the country, which Mark is passionate about.
but he has had this buddy-buddy fixation with Santorum and Bachmann – blinding him to their flaws (electabilty, lack of executive experience, and in Santorum’s case some of this weirdness).
He zeroed in on one or two things he didn’t like about Perry and almost never talked about the 98% of Perry’s record that according to his (Levin’s) own stated positions he should love.
He – and Rush also by the way – spent hours of precious air time serving as Herman Cain’s “defense attorney” – and spent no time giving the “other side” to the attacks on Perry early on which were so damaging – Gardasil, immigration and the rest.
I genuinely feel that they – and Hannity – could have really helped shape the national conversation in a far fairer and more productive way. Why they didn’t is beyond me – and a huge disappointment. Had the same standards been applied to all candidates by these big voices, I feel Perry would have come out looking much better – and it might have helped at a really critical time.
To come back Perry will need some allies beyond RS – and I hope and pray he gets them.
The idea that Santorum is qualified to lead the Conservative Counter-Revolution and be the President of the US is just a joke.
^^^^^^^^^ This
apex_phil Thursday, January 5th at 8:17AM EST (link)n/t
another way to get Perry's reboot going
circlegranch Thursday, January 5th at 10:44AM EST (link)is for us to contact his prominent supporters and endorsers and encourage them to use their influence between now and SC especially and get on Fox and call into the radio shows. Larry Gatlin, Steve Forbes, Bobby Jindahl and other others did a great job in IA on the stump but they would reach far more people and start changing the national conversation about Rick Perry if they go on cable news and get on the big talk shows. We can’t call up Bill O’Reilly or Sean Hannity and ask for some air time but those guys can and they’ll get it because their big names pump up ratings.
If alot of us here start an email campaign to these folks maybe they’ll be persuaded by the numbers of requests to act on this. It’s time for the Hail Mary pass.
Mark did this in 2008 also.
littlehouse18 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:56AM EST (link)He doubles down on the criticisms of the candidates he doesn’t like, and then, if they do get the nomination, they have lost part of the base. Then Mark begrudgingly tells us to vote for the Republican he has so comletely trashed, By that time the damage is done and folks decide to sit out. I know McCain was his own worst enemy, but I still feel that he was hurt by Mark.
Exactly
ctredstater Thursday, January 5th at 12:02PM EST (link)what has happened, IMO.
I would be less bothered if I felt the Big Three (Levin, Rush and Sean) were being transparently fair in assessing the candidates – looking at strengths and weaknesses – areas of agreement or disagreement.
but that is not what has happened. Rush went on and on yesterday defending Santorum against the “Big Government Republican” charge – and ignored totally his earmark record and the other things brought up here at RS.
Same thing with Cain. Lots of support, defense of criticisms and “plausible explanations” of his huge gaps and lapses. Perry made a couple of admittedly poor choices of responses in debates and he got eviscerated, with little to no defense in the big time Alternative Media.
What I don’t understand is how willfully ignorant the Big Three seem to be about the actual GOVERNANCE aspect of all this. If this was, as Giuliani said in his 2008 convention speech, a hiring situation and each person presented their resume for the job – we would like at IDEOLOGY but also TRACK RECORD. Combine those two factors and Perry has it head and shoulders above the field.
Rush has said time and again that we shguld not “let the media pick our candidates”. But when Perry needed some defense from the Big Boys, it was little to none.
I hope this changes. and I like the idea of getting on the phone and getting this word out on these radio programs.
Go Governor Perry Go!
ctredstater... ON FIRE!
kamiller42 Thursday, January 5th at 3:54PM EST (link)You could take your last 2 posts and make a diary entry. They couldn’t be more accurate.
I think Erik’s opening paragraph is pure gold, hitting what this is all about. This sentence nails it…
“While many conservatives don’t mind activist government so long as the ends are conservative, the willful use of activist government for conservative ends leaves in place a government perfectly capable of activist liberal government when conservatives lose.”
I heard Rush speaking against this today, and he is wrong. Yes, Rush is wrong on the idea of a virtuous, big, activist government. And Erik’s sentence illustrates why!
what makes me nuts
ctredstater Thursday, January 5th at 5:17PM EST (link)is to see all of this – and realize there are tons of others out there who do – and wonder just what the heck has gotten into the guys I thought were the “MVP’s” of the Alternative Media.
Hannity seems obsessed with his growing celebrity status and Levin goes into his “crabby old man” bit – and huge opportunities are lost.
I can’t believe that each of them hasn’t thought this thing through – and tried and realized that this is not a spectator sport – there is a hugely serious end game – and the future prosperity and security of our country is at stake.
Why, for example, isnt it being widely discussed by the Big Three that legislators make lousy presidents? I can think of a pretty good recent example. That generally speaking, Governors are best equipped for the Presidency?
That Economic Recovery is a part of National Security. And all this being true, we need to try and find the most capable governor with the best jobs record. This is all so simple to me.
I hope it becomes apparent to others – and quickly.
Thanks, kamiller 42.
i agree
dereich Thursday, January 5th at 2:17PM EST (link)Levin, Medved, Hannity, Lou Dobbs, Greta, the list goes on. They could have helped but I acrually believe now they tried to hurt Perry by only talking about the “controversial” stuff and then later by just omitting to name him.
I guess Ailes sent out a memo…
Rush had several very positive things to say yesterday abour Govenor Peryy as did Hugh Hewitt. I hope they step it up!
I e-mail and call all of them when I can, complaining about their coverage. The only response I have ever gotten was one from Carl Rove and it was snarky as all get out.
I’ll keep trying though and one of the other suggestions to appeal to Perry’s backers is a good idea.
It's not difficult to understand
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:33AM EST (link)We’re Americans. We believe in the natural rights of man as espoused in the Declaration of Independence. When you live in a place for long enough and pay taxes, you have the right to representation and equal protection, We’re denying this, and frankly, many illegal immigrants have a right to rebel against us over it.
We need to deport them or make them citizens. The intentional, unofficial maintenance of a vast and persecuted underclass is extremely anti-American.
This is why immigration policy must be enforced.
I couldn't agree more...
LoneStarSon (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 4:57PM EST (link)However, when the federal government won’t do it’s job, what can you do? You try to enforce the law and they sue you. That costs more money, ties up the courts and nothing happens. At least in Texas, these young people that get on the path to citizenship, and go to college, become tax paying citizens. It’s not perfect, far from it, but it’s better than allowing them to grow up and become leeches while we wait for the federal government to do it’s job.
“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” – Sam Houston
Here's what you can do:
gabs Thursday, January 5th at 5:08PM EST (link)Put everyone who hires them in jail, if you are serious about ending the flow of illegal workers. If it’s a mandatory jail sentence, there will be no hiring. Right now there is no disincentive at all to hire illegal workers, and plenty of incentive. So hiring has to be made “not worth it.” No jobs, nobody will travel here in the first place. The day people start going to jail for hiring, the illegals will deport themselves at no cost to the tax payer. It will always be worth the risk for the workers to come. There isn’t enough disincentive in our arsenal to overpower the smell of money. The only way is to punish those who dangle that money in the first place.
Morris thinks Perry is stupid...
conservativemusician Wednesday, January 4th at 11:03PM EST (link)So that ain’t happening. He’d rather get his toes sucked than run a campaign for a true conservative anyway.
If Perry promises..
jrfromdallas Wednesday, January 4th at 11:05PM EST (link)all of the toes he can suck plus a big buy of his stupid Dubs goes to Washington book then I think Morris would re-consider.
LOL jrfromdallas...
conservativemusician Wednesday, January 4th at 11:11PM EST (link)And ewwwwww…
And I think Morris is The Penguin from the Batman movie.
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:05PM EST (link)What? You can’t prove he isn’t!
kowalski
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:15PM EST (link)Dole is the Penguin
ctredstater Thursday, January 5th at 5:29PM EST (link)from the Batman TV series.
just listen to the voice. eerie.
Actually, I think he's Golem from Lord of the Rings.
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 11:18PM EST (link)He’s just so . . .precious.
Golem has already been identified
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:24PM EST (link)His hobbit name was James Carville.
kowalski
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:27PM EST (link)Hilarious.
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 11:28PM EST (link)nt
That's too funny, jakeofalltrades.
louisianapatriette (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:03PM EST (link)I love Lord of the Rings
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill
@ChangeForPerry
Posters in this thread re Rove & Morris: Please read this.
pttx333 (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:33PM EST (link)There will be no Rove in Perry’s corner. Let me tell you about Rove – he is soooo in the tank for Romney, along with the Bushies, the GOP establishment, et al. A paid “consultant” is what it is called. Well, in our last Texas Governor’s race, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison decided she wanted to come back to Texas and be the Governor so she wouldn’t have to live in D.C. any more, and, besides, she “deserved” to do so. The Bushies, masterminded by Rove (paid “consultant” of course), began the most dirty, filthy, negative campaign against Perry I’ve ever seen – some of it so dirty that it is unspeakable here on RS. Then there was Bill White (D), former mayor of Houston, who decided he would get in the race, along with a couple of others – they all began their dirty stuff. Add in the trial lawyers (didn’t like that Perry had brought about tort reform in Texas – cut into their huge profits, doncha know). But guess who won in spite of it all? Guess who won handily? Bingo, it was Perry!!!
Then there is Dick Morris. What a silly, foolish, petty little pimp he is! He is a paid mouth, and that is about it.
Now, what has been the common thread with any of these folks spreading their garbage? Probably the number one thing is that “Perry is DUMB.” Would any of you care to tell me how any sitting Governor who has been elected three times as my Governor (a record), who holds records all across this nation for economy, jobs, industry, etc., is DUMB?
For everyone’s information here – which I’m certain is obvious – I am a staunch Perry supporter and will remain that way. No wavering, no faltering, no second-guessing, no looking at the latest flash in the pan – none of that. My feet are completely stuck in concrete, and I will stand by his side all the way – period. The reasons for that are many – I am a 71 year-old female who has lived long enough to have voted the first time I could for Barry Goldwater, and, other than Reagan, Rick Perry is the one who is the best candidate with the most solid record, the best character, plans for this nation, and so on, that I’ve ever seen. I’ve lived it, seen it, and have been a political junkie for most of my life. So, as Rush would say “Don’t doubt me.”
Hope this rant of mine gives a little insight into the real goings-on here – and one in which Faux News (a former all-time favorite of mine) is trying to manipulate our election for Romney. Take that to the bank.
May I summarize, pttx33? Rove and Morris (and Carville, for that matter) are the Establishment.
acat (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:40PM EST (link)Perry is the outsider. (as is Gingrich, for that matter)
There will not be peace between these groups.
(Reagan managed to keep the establishment types relatively quiet by taking Bush 1.0 as his veep… )
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
I'll always be open to your assistance, dear 'cat! And
pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:05AM EST (link)I need all the help I can get!
I just wish I could convey to others what I have personally observed in my very long lifetime.
You are absolutely correct in your assessment. There will never be peace between the groups, nor do I want there to be peace with them. Then it would be the same ol, same ol, with the damned establishment on top again – and I want them kicked to the side of the road!
I guess I sounded like a raving loon in my post, but, believe me, it was and is heartfelt.
Thank you, Mr. ‘cat – as always. You’re the bestest!
pttx333, you are not a raving loon.
chbroussard (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 9:01AM EST (link)It’s long passed time for Republicans to stop acting like a bunch of spineless wimps and start telling it like it is. Most of our Republican leaders have made an art out of caving in and end up standing for nothing and, even worse, have become enablers of the destruction this administration is subjecting our country to every day.
broussard: Thank you, neighbor! Those are
pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:13AM EST (link)powerful words you wrote, and I agree with every last one of them. It is always nice to know that you’re not alone in the fight. Sometimes I just have to blow my top! Rather than anger, though, I prefer to call it righteous indignation! Cleans it up a little bit, huh. LOL
Yes, we are in the for the fight of our lives, and I just can’t understand why everyone doesn’t get it when it is as plain as day. And that is why I will be in the tank (always have been!) for Rick Perry – he is the one true MAN who can and will lead us out of the hellhole we are sinking into.
Thanks for your kind words, friend!
I thought that Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, and the New Hampshire Union-Leader were "the establishment".
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 1:50AM EST (link)How does Rove get to be so lucky? And Dick Morris? Unthinkable.
Dick Morris has about as much influence on this primary race as the racoons that live behind my house.
Carville is part of the liberal establishment. The same liberal establishment that is trying to steer Republicans away from Romney.
I’m calling their bluff. If they don’t want me to pick Romney, then I’m going to pick Romney and see what happens.
josh ... In my comment, I was referring to the GOP
pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:18AM EST (link)establishment – the RINOs, the good ol boys, the ones who like their comfy little nests that they’ve been feathering for many years, the ones who always go-along to get-along, meaning to keep their cushy little fiefdoms and power. Rove has been the Bushies hired mouthpiece in this. McCain, Bush I and others are a part of the powerful group – they want Romney to be the nominee (just like they wanted, and got, McCain) because they know that he will do whatever they wish – he’s into the power thing just like them. And if that means crossing across the aisle everyday, voting with the dems or whatever it takes, they’re gonna do it.
Rush, Levin, etc. are not what I was referring to, and Morris is just another hired mouthpiece for whoever will pay him. Carville is a hired mouthpiece for the dems, etc.
No, the dems want Romney because they know he will flame out with his baggage and b.o. will win.
Damn them all!
I agree with you that Perry is not dumb.
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 2:21AM EST (link)If it were that easy for dumb people to get elected to high office, I’m sure someone in my immediate family would be governor of California by now.
Just like I always laughed at people who thought that Bush, Quayle, and/or Palin were dumb, I laugh at people who think that Perry is dumb. Perry just needed more time to prepare. He didn’t make it a high enough priority and it cost him dearly. Before I go in for a job interview, I spend at least an hour doing prep. If I were running for president, I’d repeat my talking points so many times, I could say them in my sleep. But that’s all water under the bridge now.
I’m not convinced that Fox News is in the tank for Romney. That said, I don’t get Fox News at home, so I’m not the best witness in this case.
LOL josh! I understand what you're saying about dumb folks! It
pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:38AM EST (link)seems that the libs love to hang the “dumb” label around any Republican who is running for office – such as the one you mentioned.
As for Perry and the early debates, he didn’t announce he was running until Aug. 13th even though he had major back surgery on early July – a spinal fusion which incorporated using his own stem cells. From what I understand, it is excruciatingly painful for a long time, causing very painful back spasms, and that one should not stand for long periods for at least six months. I worried about him during that time, because I knew what he was going through. He truly is a good speaker, and I’m not blowing smoke here, but he truly is. However, Presidents never debate when they’re in office unless they are running for re-election. Now, the debates are about over so the next debates will be with b.o. If you’ve ever noticed, b.o. can’t string together two sentences without TOTUS (Teleprompters of the United States, LOL) – he stutters, stammers and doesn’t have the first clue what he’s talking about. He is merely a good READER. Go to youtube and look up some of his stuff – embarrassing.
You know, I was a Fox fanatic for a very long time and my tv was always set to their channel. Then, earlier, this year I think, they began to change – no longer fair and balanced. But since the election process started, they are awful. Do you know that just today, they ran an online poll asking “who would you have voted for if you had been in Iowa last night?” Well, guess what, every candidate’s name in Iowa except PERRY’s was listed there! How convenient for them! We Perry supporters here at RS learned of it right away, went over there and began to post very strong protests – crickets for 3 long hours before they finally added Perry’s name with a stupid nothing-apology of sorts. How is that fair and balanced?
Anyway, josh, thanks for listening and reading my rants, but I just get so very angry with the lies, twisted half-truths and so on. Just look around here, do your research and get up to snuff on the doings. There is a wealth of information on Red State. I’ve learned so very much. Thanks for listening and conversing with me.
pttx333, you are absolutely correct on Rove, et al
circlegranch Thursday, January 5th at 11:04AM EST (link)There is no time to wine and dine and try to court the favors of that group. They are dyed in the wool against small govt. conservatives and that was made abundantly clear when former Pres GHW Bush endorsed Romney. There’s no point in wasting time on it, plus as EE points out, its been former Bush operatives that have played a part in the destruction of Perry’s internal campaign. Or so it appears. He apparently trusted their previous successes and their knowledge in launching a Texan on to the national scene and he put his faith in them. It may have been misplaced; doesn’t matter but why keep going to the same well in hopes the water will taste better? Time to move on and fast, to a more streamlined, forward thinking agressive circle of advisors Fresh faces with no ties or allegiances to family dynasties or other candidates. And, there’s a big difference between people like us and the sleazy little people that make a living sitting in front of fake library props on cable TV telling the rest of us how to think. They have swung from one candidate to another, especially Morris, as the political winds of popularity blow. He’s always pumping up the candidate with the latest warm glow around them of the moment and as soon as they collapse he’s gone on to greener pastures. We stick it out, thick and thin.
Every minute that Rove and Morris and Coulter get on Fox or on Hannity’s radio show to espouse their assumed superiority in picking candidates is another minute that the true messages of this race don’t get told and conservatives should complain. Hannity has never once focused on Perry’s background and record in Texas. Instead, if he decides to throw him a bone its about how long Hannity has known him or some such thing that is intended only to enhance Hannity. Hannity, in particular, who stands up for the military in such a bold and patriotic way with his concerts and such, has never once endorsed or praised Rick Perry’s military service. I remember him constantly trying to defend and pump up GW Bush’s military service in argument with those that claimed John Kerry had a better military record.
It is amazing today that 2nd Amendment rights,personal military service and aggressive support of vets with legislation, balanced budgets, standing up for life by the defunding of PP, being the top exporter of all states in the union, management of the world’s 14th largest economy and JOBS CREATION never crosses the lips of Hannity or Levin and few others in this election season. They talk all day long about the lacks thereof out of Obama, but when they have a candidate right in front of their eyes that has a record with which to defeat Obama on all counts, they are mute.
circle: Your opinion means a lot to me, so now I know
pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:23PM EST (link)for certain that I’m on the right track. LOL And I agree with every word you say – always.
Aren’t all of the powers-that-be just lovely? I feel sometimes that I’m banging my head against a brick wall, but I’m not going to stop. If we can get enough voices out here in the wilderness to keep banging the drums, surely someone at some point will open their eyes. The willful ignorance of far too many voters in this country is astounding! What will it take to get it through their thick skulls? The total collapse of this country? Bah!
All of those you mention are forever on my taboo list. There was a time when I listened to Fox, their commentators and their guests. Now, their channel is black on my tv, and if/when I see one of the aforementioned folks on another channel, I leave the room. I don’t trust them and will not ever believe another word they say. There isn’t a nickels difference between them and the libs/dems – same barrel of rot.
I will remain with Perry regardless. I don’t care what anyone says or thinks about it either. But I will be here fighting the good fight in my own small way, and that is a given.
Thank you so much for your input to me and for all of the wonderful, informative posts you contribute here on RS.
Thanks to YOU pttx - AND circleg! (and acat, too)
cbartlett Thursday, January 5th at 11:08PM EST (link)Appreciate all of the education I get from you RS regulars. I am a fellow Texan and trying desperately to support Perry amidst an entire town of supposedly “conservative Republicans” who keep saying that he is dumb and unelectable. I hate it that people are so uninformed about the issues and do not look at the other choices honestly. I fear that there are a lot of Texans that may actually do more harm than good for Perry by their negative talk. What’s funny is that I started this with lukewarm support for Perry for very selfish reasons. No matter what I thought about him as a “ruler” in Texas, I knew down deep that he would take care of us (in this state) from the White House – no matter what. After reading on RS the last month or two, I have become completely convinced that Perry is absolutely, hands down, the best solution to reducing big federal government and giving America a chance for a future. I’m just having a hard time convincing other Texans. Since they have delayed our primary now (because of redistricting issues) past Super Tuesday, I doubt Texas will have any say in this nomination and they’ll have to take whatever is dished out by stupid states like Iowa with what – 11 stinking electoral votes? Not that we really ever had much say before – I had to hold my nose and vote for McCain because he was the only one left by that time.
Anyway – very much appreciate the education provided here – sure wish the rest of the country would read it!
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln
cbartlett: What an honor ... thank you! Just keep
pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 11:42PM EST (link)on trucking, my friend. As long as there are enough of us dyed-in-the-wool Perry supporters, we can and will spread the word far and wide. Don’t give up on anyone, the fat lady has yet to sing, and the first true vote (forget Iowa’s silliness!) has yet to be cast.
You know, I didn’t have the good fortune to find Red State until about five or so months ago, yet I have learned more here in a very short time than is possible to learn anywhere else. I like to think of it as a “God thing” that I found RS and the wonderful people here. New friends, scads of information – what more could a person want?
Yes, the evildoers are out there trying to bring down every conservative voice. Then there is b.o. in OUR White House doing everything he can do to destroy this country – and now he has put his mission on steroids. He, his minions, the RINOs ALL need to GO! A pox upon their houses!
Fight the good fight, bartlett! We can and will do it, and our guy Perry will prevail! Pray, educate others and go forward, friend!
That's so funny...
pj2012 Thursday, January 5th at 12:00AM EST (link)it’s exactly what Morris reminds me of too. I’m glad it’s not just me that sees it…
Give Dick Morris some credit
buddyp (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:19PM EST (link)It takes a genius with some brass ones (albeit also shameless) to, upon getting caught cheating (including with a prostitute), give his wife (and the world) the excuse that he is a “sex addict”…and get his wife to actually buy it !!
A “sex addict” ?? LOL. I think that’s called being “a guy.” I know. I’m a guy. And I’ve known a gazillion guys. I’m not saying we all cheat. But I’m saying we all feel the urge to cheat, sometimes a strong urge. But some of us resist that urge, and it has nothing to do with being less of a “sex addict” than Dick Morris.
But man, I gotta give some kind of credit to a guy with that much nerve. Wouldn’t want to get near the scumbag, let alone let any female I know near him (and that includes pets), but it’s impressive in its own strange way.
Facts –> rational analysis –> conclusions –> advocacy. In that sequence.
Book I wish everyone in the world would read
And he worked for Bill Clinton at the time!
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 1:53AM EST (link)Can you say “co-dependency”? If those two would have just taken care of each other’s needs, they could have saved the country from having to educate all of our kids on why Clinton was impeached by Congress.
I think Morris is stupid.
supergirl2911 Wednesday, January 4th at 11:41PM EST (link)well that is not the exact adjective, but really.
He is especially bad at predicting election outcomes.
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 2:03AM EST (link)Listening to Dick Morris play fortune teller is like trying to predict the outcome of a football game based on which team had the most pre-game gas. It’s just pointless.
Morris is miffed Perry did ask him to the prom
flgal208 Thursday, January 5th at 2:25AM EST (link)…the other candidates asked for his advice and paid for ads on his website—-IMHO, if Perry called him up and said oh great guru DIcky, what can you do to save me and shakes his hand with a 50,000 bill in it, Dicky would be crowing for Perry tomorrow. AND that’s where Perry’s people have failed. Not greasing Dicky and Sean (another who can’t remember Perry) and just about everyone at FNC except Eric Bolling…
Dick Morris' prognostications...
renl57 Thursday, January 5th at 8:05AM EST (link)…often turn out to be wrong.
No serious candidate should trust his advice.
Unfortunately...
bs61 Thursday, January 5th at 8:57AM EST (link)Rove is in the bag for Romney – he does not care about the country, just winning!
Dallas or Detroit, where do you want to live?
LoneStarSon (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:24PM EST (link)That’s what this election comes down to and nobody can make the case as well as Governor Perry. I agree, he needs to make some serious changes and stop getting off message. Perry needs to stick to the ‘Jobs, Jobs, Jobs’ message and stop getting dragged into the attacks. If he does that, he’ll be fine.
I was very glad to hear he was staying in, because quite frankly, I hate the cold.
“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” – Sam Houston
That's a pretty good comparison....
kamiller42 Wednesday, January 4th at 11:06PM EST (link)I also think he needs to use rhetoric along the lines what I read Santorum saying today.
“[Santorum] accused President Obama of creating a national addiction to “the narcotic of government dependency,
…
“He believes you are incapable of freedom,” he said
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“He believes that you cannot provide for yourself, that the government needs to dictate to you,” he added. “The president believes that you need him.”
”
Support Santorum or not, those are powerful conservative words that hit at the core of the problem.
The problem with this kamiller42 is they are just words, they don't match Santorum's record
tricianc (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 6:13PM EST (link)Not only do these words not match Santorum’s record, his past words, past actions and even his book displays he’s for exactly what he’s ranting against in his speech you mentioned. He just uses the guise of conservatism to cover for his Big Government ideology.
One good example is that his wife homeschools his children…wonderful! Except he took a $100,000 entitlement from a Pennsylvania school district to cyber school his kids. Big Government, again.
Here’s some other pretty telling things to show he says one thing today while he really believes in another:
SANTORUM: “There is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.”
“The former Pennsylvania senator’s book “It Takes a Family“ was a ”broadside against Barry Goldwater-style conservatism” — or, in other words, a rejection of that Neanderthal fealty for liberty and free markets that has yet to be put down. Santorum’s book is crammed with an array of ideas for technocratic meddling; even the author acknowledges that some people “will reject” what he has to say “as a kind of ‘Big Government’ conservatism.”
Santorum grumbles about too many conservatives believing in unbridled “personal autonomy” and subscribing to the “idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do … that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom (and) we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues.”
“He declared himself against individualism, against libertarianism, against “this whole idea of personal autonomy, . . . this idea that people should be left alone.”
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/rick-santorum-v-limited-government/
“A list of the government interventions that Santorum endorses includes national service, promotion of prison ministries, “individual development accounts,” publicly financed trust funds for children, community-investment incentives, strengthened obscenity enforcement, covenant marriage, assorted tax breaks, economic literacy programs in “every school in America” (his italics), Federal control of national standards for education, and more. Lots more.”
Imagine someone with a record saying it!
kamiller42 Friday, January 6th at 10:09PM EST (link)And by someone, I mean Rick Perry.
You want to write off Michigan?
renl57 Thursday, January 5th at 8:25AM EST (link)If Perry said “Dallas or Detroit,” reporters would instantly ask him “Texas or Ohio”?
You can’t–and shouldn’t–win an election by using some state populated by American citizens as a foil. Obama shouldn’t be running against Arizona on the immigration issue, and Perry shouldn’t be running against the Rust Belt.
Without the Rust Belt and Florida (which Perry can kiss goodbye after his shifting stances on Social Security), he can’t beat Obama.
Thats interesting "logic" you have there.....
texastaxpayer (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:43AM EST (link)So is Newt done now that he asked people “food stamps or paychecks”? By your logic some 20 million food stamp recipients would immediately vote Obama making Newt unelectable. Kind of dumb don’t ya think?
Dallas stands in stark contrast to Detroit in that Dallas has followed the Perry methodology and flourished over the last decade. Detriot by comparison has followed the Obama methodology for the past fifty years and has collapsed. Detroit was once called the “city of champions” and boasted more per capita millionaires than any other city in America. Now it fails miserably in comparison to Texas’s second largest city. That’s a fair argument to make. I suspect the good people of Michigan and the rust belt in general are interested in successful leadership that will help them find their way back to their legacy as “the city of champions”. Rick Perry has a record of delivering success and that’s what will win Florida and the rust belt. We have had enough of the empty promises and platitudes.
“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston
You missed the point.
LoneStarSon (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 11:36AM EST (link)Michigan was a thriving manufacturing state; however, thanks to liberal policies, it is a drain on the nation. It is going to take a lot of work to restore what has happened there. Texas, however, with less regulation, tort reform, and a business friendly environment is thriving.
“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” – Sam Houston
Media problem
Thomas_Hauber Wednesday, January 4th at 10:24PM EST (link)I see one big problem if Perry took your advice and sacked all those people. The media would spin it as Perry in chaos.
Could he resolve that? I don’t know.
The upcoming debates mean everything..
jrfromdallas Wednesday, January 4th at 10:36PM EST (link)If he does great then he will get a second look by people that don’t like Santorum or Mitt, but god forbid he has another bad night then it doesn’t matter who’s running his show. I am pulling for him though..
Perry would need to camp out at FNC
flgal208 Thursday, January 5th at 2:28AM EST (link)and give interviews to anybody who wanted one, including the weather people AND buy Roger Ailes off
and, yes, the debates are EVRYTHING
Hopefully he's been preparing
hobarticus Thursday, January 5th at 10:18AM EST (link)My big fear about Perry has always been that Obama would mop the floor with him in a debate. If he can show he’s gotten better enough to allay that, I think a lot of people will give him a second look.
If not, though, I hope people recognize when it’s time to get off the bandwagon and coalesce behind Newt or Huntsman, IMO the other electable conservatives. The longer the conservative vote stays split, the more likely we end up stuck with Romney.
Perry would need to camp out at FNC
flgal208 Thursday, January 5th at 2:27AM EST (link)and give interviews to anybody who wanted one, including the weather people AND buy Roger Ailes off
If Perry goes we have no one
NickDeringer (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:26PM EST (link)Erick you are spot on. Perry is the only guy with the substance and the tangible record to go with it.
NickDeringer
Perry's good. Romney's better.
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 2:09AM EST (link)I do believe that Romney can beat Obama. Obama has had a terrible first term. In 1992, it was all about the economy, right?
Well how can Obama make the case that he has improved the economy? He can’t! Obama will try to win re-election by simply using surrogates to play the race card. I don’t think it will work again. Americans are tired of it and we’ve now seen what happens if we vote for Obama simply because America has never elected a (half-)black president before.
If Americans would have focused on the issues in 2008, BHO would never have been president.
With Obama's record, any GOP candidate can beat him.
kamiller42 Thursday, January 5th at 10:56AM EST (link)Romney does not have an exclusive on this. As many have seen, Newt could easily wipe the debate floor with Obama. Given Perry has had to deal with Obama on the state level, I think he can debate from experience. Again, Romney is not the only one who can beat Obama.
Sadly, we already have no one.
hayekwasright Friday, January 6th at 11:03AM EST (link)Perry talks a good talk, but, hey even Romney is doing that pretty often now. But with Perry’s “tangible record” of crony capitalism, one of the most massive imminent domain land grab attempts ever made and general expansion of government at the state level, I just cannot believe that he will be all that “Fed Up” once he holds the reigns.
In defense of Mark Miner...
Samsara (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:29PM EST (link)if your candidate decides in the middle of a jog to twiter a major announcement, there isn’t much you can do other than what Mr. Miner did.
From Politico:
Perry’s decision to stay in initially caught some of his own staff off-guard. His long-serving press secretary, Mark Miner, said he didn’t know what the plan was and said only that he was “checking on it” when asked about Perry’s tweet. Miner confirmed that Perry handles his own Twitter account.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71081.html#ixzz1iY9rfG2q
If someone forgot to inform Miner about a planned announcement, that is a problem, but Miner did fine.
I’m glad Perry decided to soldier on.
It could be a sign
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 10:38PM EST (link)That Mrr. Miner’s time is limited. I worked on the Hill for years. When all of a sudden your boss is doing things in your portfolio and you don’t know about them,, it’s a gentle way of telling you to “move on, buckaroo.” If I’m right, and MIner doesn’t get the hint, I think he’ll be more directly confronted no later than Friday night.
after careful consideration
trevorb (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:32PM EST (link)I’ve decided to support Governor Perry as the nominee. I’ve looked at all the candidates and I happen to believe that he has the best record when it comes to creating jobs.
South Carolina isn’t going to embrace
nancysabet Wednesday, January 4th at 10:44PM EST (link)a Catholic (Santorum) just to beat a Mormon (Romney). Let see where Santorum goes from Iowa?, other than down.
it's
trevorb (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:47PM EST (link)nearly three weeks until South Carolina. A lot can happen to Santorum between now and then. Now that he did well in Iowa, he’s going to get a lot of media attention; remember what that did to most of the other candidates.
Two weeks, two days
Adjoran (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 3:12AM EST (link)SC votes on Saturday the 21st.
And Santorum is stuck for the next few days in New Hampshire. Perry is in SC already and will be here tomorrow, too.
Santorum’s big problem is right to work and his union history – understandable when you need western PA to offset the Philly Democratic frauds, but no sale in a state almost screwed by NLRB on the biggest factory investment ever in the state.
Gingrich’s big problem is Gingrich. He’s just not a nice guy, and now that Romney has angered him, it will be showing more. And how anyone believes he is NOT “GOP Establishment” if anyone is, is beyond me. It was pressure from conservatives which forced him out as Speaker.
Perry’s ace in the hole here is his military service. We love vets here, respect and honor military service. That’s what he has on the bunch of them. If he plays that up, and his economic development record, he can do this.
I plan on telling him this tomorrow.
I am pulling for Perry too, but...
jrfromdallas Wednesday, January 4th at 10:33PM EST (link)Your advice of cleaning house again (he did it once already) would look desperate and with three weeks till SC and four until Florida I don’t think that gives anyone enough time especially if Perry has a brain freeze in one of these upcoming debates. I think he should get rid of a couple of people like you suggest and maybe bring in a heavy hitter to run the day to day aspects of his campaign. Again, this is all for nothing unless Perry knocks it out of the park in the upcoming debates. I also think that a big endorsement (maybe a Palin, Rush, or Rick Scott) could help but I don’t think he has time to clean house with the debates coming up. I am hoping that Mitt gets picked apart in the next two weeks (which is now Newt’s mission) by the rest of the field and comes in 3rd in SC behind Perry and Newt. Santorum is going to realize that he’s not in Iowa anymore when he starts getting more air time in the upcoming debates and the MSM tries to destroy him. I think he will fall faster than Newt and then all of the so called Conservative talking heads who called for Perry to drop out will feel like idiots for even suggesting something so stupid. I plan on donating money to Perry tomorrow so I am putting my money where my mouth is…
I can pretty much guarantee you
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 10:41PM EST (link)that if Governor Perry cleans house completely — now, as Erick says — there will be a team of ready, willing and able people ready to step up very quickly. I imagine that the Governor has been contacted by numerous people already. This is how the game goes . . .
Yeah, but...
jrfromdallas Wednesday, January 4th at 11:00PM EST (link)The MSM has had it out for him since he stepped into the race and Conservative Talk Radio seems like they have all been paid off by Mitt to not get behind anyone so I just think that they will paint him as desperate and the less intelligent voters may take the bait. I can see Debbie Wasserman Schultz calling him desperate, Carville saying he is a disaster, and Axlerod saying that he is unstable. I’m pulling for him like I said in my earlier post but cleaning house won’t mean a thing if he doesn’t do well in the two debates coming up. If he knocks it out of the park and then cleans house while he’s on the rise then I will be alright with it. I just don’t think any distractions before the upcoming debates would be helpful.
I agree the next debates are pivotal
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 11:11PM EST (link)He needs an excellent showing and he needs to distinguish himself from the Romney/Santorum/Paul trifecta. At the same time, he needs to publicly clean house. And when Little Debbie and others start screeching about desperation, he can rightly say. “Yeah, that didn’t work out. That’s why I’m fixing my house. Just like I’ll be fixing America’s house next year.”
Let's not buy into the narrative
supergirl2911 Wednesday, January 4th at 11:45PM EST (link)that he has to have a great debate. Too much anxiety, although I am hopeful. Instead, why don’t we change our narrative. Barring the revelation of some tragic previously unknown flaw, Perry is our candidate. Not because he is the best debater, but because he has the best jobs record, balanced the budget in Texas, reduced business regulations and is a proven leader.
Leadership is about making tough decisions, and acknowledging
axistogrind Wednesday, January 4th at 11:41PM EST (link)a faulty course. Perry’s messaging has been disjointed; they have taken a candidacy with the whole ball of wax, and turned it into a thousand birthday cake candles that couldn’t cut through the fog of a sympathetic voter base. They’ve done less with more raw material than any campaign ever, and should be embarrassed to be collecting a check. I agree with Erick, and as much as I am in the bag for Perry, I can’t really take a continued campaign seriously without streamlining.. Loyalty can only go so far; they have not served him well, and a good leader has to realize when people are not up to a task.
It is true that to reboot is an acknowledgment of mistakes made. It also shows rationality, toughness, and leadership. The media already thinks the Perry camp is in disarray; to make changes would be rational. If you got a bucket of burning oil on your boat, what is more rational, saving the bucket, or saving the boat? Kick it over the side and be done with it. Someone gets a hotfoot, but that’s the cost of saving the boat.
Firing his entire staff is not the answer
bogeyman Thursday, January 5th at 9:39AM EST (link)He would then have to get all of the new people up to speed. No, Rick should take responsibility himself. It was not his staff who said “have a heart” during the debates. It was not his staff who could not remember the name of the Federal agency he planned to eliminate. He needs to do what Bush 41 did when he lost Iowa and not blame his staff. That is how Lee Atwater told it.
The signs to look for
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 10:33PM EST (link)I think Erick is exactly right. How Perry conducts himself vis-a-vis his team over the next 72 hours (maybe less) is going to tell us a lot about how serious he is about running as the real conservative. I have every faith that Perry is the leader he portrays himself to be. His next step is to show us that he can fix his own house in order to fix our American house. If he does, I’m with him all the way.
kindredsoul, Erick you are exactly right
jimmyg Thursday, January 5th at 12:02AM EST (link)I have been saying since September, in this forum, that these guys are in over their heads. I am no political pro but they allowed Perry to walk into traps that would have been avoided by a more astute team.
The first clue was calling SS a Ponzi scheme and having no plan to reform it, the latest being the VA ballot problem,
The Texas crew treated this campaign as if Perry was running for governor, and the newer crew were not of much help.
I saw Perry speak before the caucus last night and was impressed. He can do it, but he cannot do it alone, and he will need professional help to keep his head above water.
Come back from what?
traversecityconservative (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:38PM EST (link)The only time that he was “up” was when he first got in the race and we didn’t know anything about him. Then we learned about in-state tuition for illegals (and his continued defense of it) and his inability to complete a full sentence with any signs of intelligence. Give it up.
Oh, for crying out loud
WY_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:40PM EST (link)Time to move on. It’s like your a Cubs fan.
I bet a lot of people
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 10:44PM EST (link)were telling Santorum to give up before last night. I just don’t think you walk after the field . . .after a single caucus. As Obama would no doubt say, there are at least 56 states left to go . . .
He came in 5th after spending $5 million.
WY_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:49PM EST (link)You can’t be serious with that comment. He spent all that money, they know him and supported other candidates. He lost. I guess you and he just don’t know it.
I am serious, WY_Cowboy
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 10:54PM EST (link)I think Republicans everywhere are frustrated with the pickings. And I’m not saying that Perry is the Second Coming. What I’m saying is that I’m uncomfortable letting the good people of Iowa make this choice for us. Let’s let it play out over some initial primaries, some additional vetting of Romney and Santorum. Let’s also see how other states — with vastly different employment pictures than Iowa — react to his message. It might not work. But I see no harm in letting the process take its course with Governor Perry as part of the process.
I'm a Newt supporter but...
clowngirl (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:15PM EST (link)Perry lost to a guy who the media started pushing as the one with all the momentum – even when the two of them were gaining about the same amount of support.
To a guy who’d been vetted hardly at all, when he’s long been subjected to media scrutiny.
Rick Santorum deserves credit for his dedicated campaigning but got unbelievably lucky in getting the benefit of millions of dollars spent trashing Newt, as well as Michelle Bachmann’s Super PAC and campaign chair deserting her just weeks before the Iowa Caucus.
Having just secured some local endorsements (he did do some things himself) and being the only non-Romney, non-Ron Paul candidate who hadn’t been scrutinized — former Senator Santorum was in the right place at the right time.
Not only was Rick S well positioned to absorb the other candidates support — there was no time for him to be scrutinized like Gingrich, Cain or Perry.
Time will tell if Santorum’s caucus performance is repeatable or largely a lucky fluke.
But this doesn’t conclusively establishes Santorum as “the electable conservative” or Perry or Gingrich as less electable than he is.
Looking at the other candidates, Ron Paul only got 14% of the Republican vote (if those people were even genuine Republicans and not libertarians who registered only to vote for their candidate) — not really so far from Perry’s 10% or Gingrich’s 13.3%
And Romney — after campaigning in the state for years and spending millions — couldn’t even match his 2008 total – there just wasn’t a Huckabee to outdo him.
Agree totally
ctredstater Thursday, January 5th at 12:08PM EST (link)Santorum had the good fortune to have his “bubble pre-vetting” moment just in time fo the vote – and he had a lot of MSM cheering for him because they knew the real threats to Romney (sitting duck for Obama) are Perry and Newt.
let’s see what Mr. Santorum does in the new world he is now in
Result of Iowa:
nancysabet Wednesday, January 4th at 10:49PM EST (link)They Didn’t Want Mitt in 2008;They Don’t Want Him Now
Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum, both have very little chance of beating Obama
You know who they don't want more than
WY_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:51PM EST (link)Mitt or Santorum? Rick Perry. Period.
Maybe
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 11:01PM EST (link)But I’d like to see it play it out past one caucus before I start shopping for an alternate. I love Iowa. It’s a beautiful state with wonderful people who have had their say. Now let’s let folks in other states speak a while.
Check the polls
renl57 Thursday, January 5th at 8:30AM EST (link)Here’s the RCP average:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html
Romney: 26.0%
Gingrich: 25.3%
Paul: 13.0%
Perry: 6.3%
This is a poll of GOP voters, no Dem ringers–yet Perry is getting only half the support that *Ron Paul* is getting!
So it’s not that Perry was rejected only in Iowa. He’s being rejected nationally.
I agree - that ship has sailed
satchman3 Thursday, January 5th at 10:09AM EST (link)There’s not going to be a second look. Perry took fifth in Iowa and he’s on course to come in last in NH. It’s delusional to see a comeback path from those trouncings. He’s polling poorly in SC too. Maybe a last stand in SC as a hail mary but the fat lady is at least warming up.
Perry needs to make the case !!!
buddyp (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:41PM EST (link)It’s simple. Perry has a strong hand, but he’s not playing it in terms of message.
I just posted a diary on what message he should get out immediately and at every opportunity — Perry needs a “total package” message
As a note, I’m not a Perry supporter, but I’m just saying what I think would be effective for him.
Facts –> rational analysis –> conclusions –> advocacy. In that sequence.
Book I wish everyone in the world would read
Really, this is as pathetic as it gets.
WY_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:42PM EST (link)The problem is there’s no there there. Wake up.
I'm wide awake
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 10:50PM EST (link)And I don’t like what I see with the rest of the field. I get it: we don’t want another G.W.B. who comes off as less than . . .a Rhodes Scholar. I’m not looking for a Professor. I’m looking for someone who gets things done and has his priorities straight. Texas had more job gains in the last three years than all the other states . . .combined. Did he do that all by himself? No. Did he help create the conditions for that? Yes he did. I reckon he’d do the same for the whole nation.
I have close family members who tell me there’s no “there there” and I say to them what I’lls say to you: please take another look. .
Perry is my second choice after Romney
renl57 Thursday, January 5th at 8:36AM EST (link)I’m a Romney supporter, but if Romney can’t win over the GOP base, then Perry is my only other choice.
Why those two, despite their differences on policy?
Because they’re the only two with proven executive experience.
BUT: If Perry is going to have a shot, he’s going to have to do one more thing besides shaking up his staff:
Perry has to stop talking and acting like a stereotypical swaggering TX governor right out of Central Casting.
That stuff may turn on voters in the South and Southwest, but it has no appeal in Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, or any of the other states needed to win. Especially not after we’ve just had one of those (Bush 43), with mixed results.
Perry came in 5th place. He's done.
WY_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:46PM EST (link)He and you just don’t know it yet – and it’s a little pathetic.
Perry didn't lose a political contest....
nancysabet Wednesday, January 4th at 10:53PM EST (link)he lost a “caucus”…in one state, for God’s sake!!.
The only one he beat was Bachmann
WY_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:55PM EST (link)Yeah, it’s over. He spent $5 million and only beat Michele Freaking Bachmann! Done.
How many times you gonna make the same point in this thread?
treeofliberty Wednesday, January 4th at 11:17PM EST (link)Perry is “pathetic” supporters are “pathetic”
pathetic…pathetic..pathetic…
you know what’s REALLY pathetic?? repeating yourself 5 times in the same thread.
He's a tribble, It's all he's got.
gekster (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:33PM EST (link)Wy is all mountains.
Air really thin up there.
You do the math.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
Wrong WY_Cowboy.
conservativemusician Wednesday, January 4th at 11:45PM EST (link)Perry was also surging, but Santorum took votes away from Perry the last week because he wasn’t fully vetted like everyone else was. If Perry had another week to campaign and had Santorum been properly vetted along the way, then I’ll bet that Perry probably would have finished in the top 3 last night.
Speaking as an evangelical Christian, I am continually amazed at how stupid so many of my fellow evangelicals are in assessing the candidates they vote for. I mean Santorum? Paul? Romney? Really? I don’t believe that Iowa voters will determine our nominee and also that their track record of not picking the eventual nominee will also hold true this time around. It was helpful, though, in that it served as a wake up call not only to the Perry campaign, but also to the conservative base around the country who I’m sure will differ with Iowans’ confidence in Santorum.
I don’t think that Santorum will be able to stand up to the vetting, but If I’m wrong, so what, I’ll still support whoever gets the nomination – even if it is Santorum.
BTW, as treeofliberty alludes to down thread, we get it, so give it a rest dude and get some perspective. The real race for the nomination has just begun.
Perry 2012.
Let's just remember
laura211 Wednesday, January 4th at 11:57PM EST (link)Romney spent way more than Perry in the five years he has been running for presiden and he cant garner more than 25% of the vote
5 laura211.
conservativemusician Thursday, January 5th at 10:07AM EST (link)n/t
Exactly
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 10:58PM EST (link)Let’s all take a step back and a breath in. This was one caucus — on January 3, 2012. I haven’t even finished eating the Christmas cookies in my house yet. WY_Cowboy has a valid argument — he came in 5th. I would counter that he came in 5th behind Romney (who 75% of the folks did not vote for in Iowa); Santorum (who only today is even at the cusp of the beginning of vetting); Paul (who may not have appeal beyond the Iowa caucus); and Gingrich (who I like). Let’s see how it plays out . . . at least through four or five primaries.
It's the Candidate, not the staff
flagg Wednesday, January 4th at 10:48PM EST (link)Governor Perry has been a lousy candidate for President of the United States.
That’s not to say that he hasn’t been an outstanding governor of Texas or that he wouldn’t *be* a good President. But as a candidate?
He showed up on the stage with all the money, momentum, and positive press in the world. And then he stumbled through the first several debates; better than Admiral Stockdale from 92, but not nearly as good as even W. Blame it on Texas wildfires or his back or whatever, but the reaction went from “Oh that wasn’t very good”, then to “Surely he’s going to get it together by the next one”, to “Geezus, he should at least have the self-respect to at least prepare for these things”. Then they hit him unfairly on the immunization issue and more fairly on immigration, and he struggled to counter, like when he foolishly accused Romney of once contracting with a landscaper who had an illegal working for him/her.
And then came “Oops”,
Even at his best, Perry (like W) has a difficult relationship with the English language, but people have just checked out on him. They think he’s dumb. He’s out of the national media narrative–even if he did what Erick suggests, only the kind of people who read RedState would know about it.
He got a first look. He failed because he’s been a bad candidate. That’s not on his staff or “messaging”. He’s not going to get a second chance at stopping the Romney machine, and the fallacy that runs rampant here that Romney is every conservative’s last choice is obvious.
Better Perry retreat to TX with his dignity intact, meditate hard on this, and look to his future. Unless he’s got nude pics of Romney with a (blank) he’s going to get steam-rolled in NH and SC, and there’s not enough staff you can fire to change that.
Well said.
WY_Cowboy (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:50PM EST (link)Yes. It’s the candidate.
So what? Then I guess you don't have to worry about him.
axistogrind Thursday, January 5th at 1:26AM EST (link)He’s not your governor, its not your money he’s spending, so why do you care so much? If he’s not a factor, then why are you so concerned? Its still a free country, and if he wants to tilt at windmills, for a while, he’s allowed. If he wants to kneecap someone in a debate before the end, I am all for that too. You make the same point over and over, and yet no alternative argument for another candidate has yet to present itself. If you dislike Perry so much, I have a hard time believing you don’t have a favorite, either Republican, or possibly the democrat, in this race. Enlighten us who states’ rights, smaller government conservatives are supposed to get behind. Convince me who I should send my next donation to.
Agree with Much of What You Say
quill67 (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:58PM EST (link)Perry should debate as much as he can. Don’t worry about attacking anyone. Don’t worry about attack lines or clever remarks. He needs to show he can speak clearly and intelligently. It will still take a stroke of luck but one never knows.
He has the best record and much of which to be proud. But pressing will not work. He should just: Relax, Be himself, and Speak clearly of conservative vision. It may not work for this election but if things go as we fear and Romney is nominee, in four years we might be needing a really strong leader,
You may be right
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 11:06PM EST (link)but I’m just not seeing wild support for a single candidate yet. I think that people are going to be giving everyone a second (or third or fourth look in some cases) before they ultimately buy. I tend to think that Governor Perry is keenly aware of the state of his campaign. If he leads now — along the lines that Erick suggested — I think he’ll change some minds. Please let the process work. And please know: if it’s someone else who emerges as the consensus candidate, I’ll support ‘em.
Debate missteps are true but not entirely...
kamiller42 Wednesday, January 4th at 11:15PM EST (link)You touch on an issue I wished Erik’s excellent article addressed… how to get the Quayle stink off.
The missteps in the debates portray him as dumb. People who are open minded and even some conservatives want to create the image of Perry as another dumb conservative. We know that to be absolutely false. It takes brains to be the executive of Texas for 11 years.
I would like to hear ideas of how someone in Perry’s position, where the media and many others see him as Quayle II, reverses that perception.
And you are wrong about S.C. NH, sure, but SC is still open turf.
Disagree Completely
treeofliberty Wednesday, January 4th at 11:32PM EST (link)Not being prepped adequately for the debates is entirely the fault of the campaign team who NEVER should’ve sent him out there unless they felt he was 100% ready to go…it was clear he hadn’t been prepared to respond adequately and forcefully to the “gotcha” issues like Gardasil.
Perry has never been a strong debater…that weak point, again should have been well known by the team who should’ve as a result, been EXTRA cautious about sending him out to the lion’s den before he was ready. The fact that he had was just recovering from back surgery after a grueling 2011 primary and re-election as gov also didn’t help.
I mean it’s easy to look good in debates when you don’t have a job, have all the time in the world to prep and been running for years anyway…
And I love how it’s all about being a master debater this campaign season and we nominate the likes of McCain and vote for such eloquent orators as “get black people off of entitlements” Santorum and nutjob Ron Paul…
Obviously Perry has not debated well but the media has magnified the faults and weaknesses of the less favored candidates and diminished and glossed over entirely those they favor…Imagine if Rick Perry talked about “56 states in the union” during a debate, imagine the reaction: “OMG!!! dumb dumb Texan! Another GWB!!!” I mean for crying out loud, that stupid rock “controversy” got more airtime than Santorum OPENLY discussing getting “black people” off of welfare and gov. entitlements.
Perry needs a revamp and needs to hit SC hard and with everything he’s got.
Didn't say Perry or team's fault. Just addressing reality.
kamiller42 Wednesday, January 4th at 11:56PM EST (link)And the reality is he now has Quayle stink on him. How does he get it off? Ideas?
Note: I am not saying I agree with the perception. Just acknowledging the perception of many.
Perry can quit after South Carolina
renl57 Thursday, January 5th at 8:39AM EST (link)At least if Perry disappoints in South Carolina, even his most loyal supporters here on RS will concede that he gave it his best shot and it wasn’t good enough.
Right now, Perry shouldn’t quit after one caucus. I wonder if Pawlenty is regretting having quit after one straw poll.
Hmmm...
haumea (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:51PM EST (link)I understand where Erick’s coming from, but I think Perry’s campaign is a symptom of something broader – he might be out of his league in general, and so would not be able to effectively execute the political strategy to fulfill his promises as president.
It’s going to take a tremendous talent to sell the dismantlement of big government to the public. I’m not sure he can withstand the barrage that would come at him.
Newt, with his activist tendencies, will probably do some things we don’t like – but he can accomplish more that we like simply through his talent and experience at this level.
At least he seems to understand the big picture reasonably well.
Stay the Course; Iowa & Nh shouldn't dictate
chieftain (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:51PM EST (link)the nominee of the GOP. If it is then why bother with primaries in other state, ever? Think for a moment, what if, Texas were the first in the nation primary? Would political obituaries be written of Romney? of Santorum?
It is shameful that the herd instinct attaches to these first primaries. If Gov. Perry has the financial support to campaign, then he should an dit is not necessary to make a show by canning campaign people. If the campaign can be improved with different staff then fine, improve the campaign, but change for the sake of change is ridiculous.
Gov. Perry should stay on message. Work teh message. Let it sink in. Be consistent. Be there. Campaign. The people will come around. Paul;s support will wan. Bachmann’s is now searching for a new candidate to support. Newt won’t last much longer. Santorum remains to be seen. Romney is in for the long haul, no doubt. I hope when Wisconsin rolls around there will be a choice, not an echo.
It's long past time Erick & the RedState community face an inconvenient truth.
jeromefc Wednesday, January 4th at 10:53PM EST (link)The central problem with Rick Perry was never merely bad presentation. It was never merely bad handlers or advisers. And it sure as heck was never unfair treatment by other conservative figures or media outlets.
It was, is, and will continue to be, Rick Perry himself.
Rick Perry’s record and his substance were simply never as conservative as you all have insisted on pretending, and so your attempts to oversell his conservatism were doomed from the start to ring hollow. Sorry, Erick, but no amount of increasingly hyperbolic insistence to the contrary will change that.
I know how hard it can be to accept it when reality doesn’t match the dream. But admitting the truth will be the first step to recovery.
I am a retread who can’t stand the fact that my stupidity caught up with me.
jeromefc: Sorry, there is no inconvenient truth for me.
pttx333 (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:09PM EST (link)I do find it amazing that you would come here to preach, but I do believe we are perfectly capable of making our own decisions and coming to our own conclusions. Your vague statements are just that – vague and accusatory. Go peddle your wares elsewhere, because this writer is a STAUNCH Perry supporter – period.
BTW, who do you support?
"Shut up," they explained.
jeromefc Friday, January 6th at 2:08PM EST (link)Such a compelling rebuttal!
I am a retread who can’t stand the fact that my stupidity caught up with me.
Well, jeromefc, I'll give you 3 points for style...
acat (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:11PM EST (link)The problem is, we’ve been over Perry’s record longer than you’ve been here. Much longer. Much, much longer.
Is Perry perfect? No. But then, neither are Gingrich, Huntsman, Paul, Roemer, Romney, or Santorum. (and at least the list is getting shorter…)
Santorum’s a pro-life big-government reject, he’s never been in the private sector or executive branch; his resume consists of failing utterly at the job of cheerleader for Bush 2.0. Pass.
Romney might be a pro-life pro-2nd-amendment reformer, but he ran for Governor of Massachusetts as a pro-choice anti-gun big-government guy, and failed to make the Massachusetts GOP any stronger than when he won. The citizens hated him to the point that he didn’t even bother to try to run for re-election. Pass.
Roemer is just seeking to pad his retirement account. Pass.
Ron Paul is bat-{guano} crazy. Pass!
Huntsman is a sharp guy, speaks Mandarin, signed a lot of conservative laws, ran a very red state, but for reasons known only to him, ran as a centrist, and started his campaign while still working for Obama. I repeat, he worked *for* Obama. Not happy with him, but .. better than the above.
Gingrich lacks executive experience and has a nasty habit of blowing himself up by shooting off his mouth. He’s also brilliant, thinks like an outsider (whether he is or not) and knows how to twist a knife. He’s also better than the above.
Perry, like Huntsman, ran a very red state, and signed quite a lot of conservative laws. His religious views line up well with Santorum’s, and he started his campaign with a prayer meeting .. but his record is one of conservatism and small government, not nanny-state government solutions.
Yes, Perry fouled up badly during the dog-and-pony-show debates, doing the job that – in a real administration – would fall to the press secretary. (think about it – when was the last time Obama answered gotcha questions posed by a hostile media?) That, though, is a much less significant problem than the rest.
I’ll vote for most of the above list should they win the nomination, but .. until he says it’s time to quit, I’ll keep on supporting Perry.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Debates exercise importance of communication
kamiller42 Wednesday, January 4th at 11:35PM EST (link)Cat, I agree with 99.9% of what you wrote, but I don’t think you should dismiss the debates.
The GOP candidate, especially a conservative one, must have exceptional skill in communicating conservative ideas to a liberal conditioned country. Some conservative ideas are easy to understand, but can’t be explained on a bumper sticker.
The candidate must know what to say, how to say it, and when to say it. Platitudes only go so far. (Perry, don’t throw “make government as inconsequential in your lives” away, but find new ways to express this ideal. Go into the why it’s important.) Find ways to communicate conservative ideas that spark the electorate’s imagination.
I think debates can help here, especially given time constraints.
Newt’s appeal in the debates was not his ability to cut into someone, because he didn’t. It was his ability to express conservative ideals in a way a majority of the audience appreciated, and it created excitement.
kamiller42 - he got better...
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:03AM EST (link)Perry landed the first two solid hits on Romney while Gingrich was off being Mr. Nice Newt.
While I’ll agree that the ability to communicate conservatism is important, I’ll ask you to think of the job of President, and the job of Press Secretary, and tell me which one you think is more like the dog shows we’ve had thus far.
Watch some of Perry’s speeches – there are links all over Red State, I’m reasonably confident in your ability to google or bing them – and then tell me he can’t communicate.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Before you get the job of president, ...
kamiller42 Thursday, January 5th at 1:18AM EST (link)… you have to win the dog show.
He has gotten better on the debate stage. He looks best when he is relaxed and confident. The problem is “the first impression is a lasting impression.” That’s what Perry has to fight, the first impression those first debates left.
It’s the same with his road trip in Iowa. His last stops were his best. When he started out, he was either slow in delivery, hugging the podium, or forgetting points of his program. There were even moments where the passion seemed lacking that someone watching would ask “Do you really want this job? Did your wife push you to do this?” I just want to shake by TV and yell “Get it together!” Again, he got better in the last stops.
This is where a lack of experience in public speaking shows. Santorum gave a very good speech for 20 minutes referencing notes very briefly in the beginning. He can do that because he rehearsed in so many meeting halls and cafes. I can only hope Perry is practicing speeches while jogging, even debating his jogging partner.
kamiller ... Excuse me for interrupting your conversation with 'cat,
pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:29AM EST (link)but I do have a question for you. Perry has spent more than 20 years in Texas in office, obviously having to run for said offices, making speeches, doing the meet-and-greets, yet he somehow has always won – never lost a race here. Three terms as Governor and that is a record that only he holds. His record of accomplishments is impeccable. So, the question is … can you honestly discount all of those things because he isn’t a great debater and move on to another who has an iffy record but can speak well?
I have voted for Rick Perry each and every time he has run for office, and there is no difference in his run for President of these United States. And I will support him all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but I do have the luxury of knowing exactly who he is and what he is about.
Thanks.
Discounting nothing, but too many GOP are.
kamiller42 Thursday, January 5th at 11:12AM EST (link)Everything you say is true, but the audience Perry is trying to persuade/court will only look closer at those points after they are impressed with the packaging. Shallow and yet natural for all of us.
Something wrong with being unnatural, kamiller42?
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 4:47PM EST (link)(Cheshire grin)
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Caveat Suffragator
LOL @ acat
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Friday, January 6th at 2:17PM EST (link)You have no idea how long I've "been here," acat.
jeromefc Friday, January 6th at 2:27PM EST (link)Nor do you have any idea how much I’ve informed myself about Perry.
You link to the article that has basically been the Perry cult’s Bible since his candidacy began, but the problem is just that: it’s badly outdated. Some of its points are valid, some aren’t, but it only addresses a fraction of Perry’s flaws. For example:
I don’t see Perry’s palling around with La Raza or Vicente Fox mentioned in it.
I see Perry’s support for Gore mentioned in it, but not Perry’s false claims that Gore favored the Strategic Defense Initiative.
I don’t see E-Verify mentioned in it.
I don’t see the Giuliani endorsement mentioned in it.
I don’t see the Texas Enterprise Fund or the Texas Emerging Technology Fund mentioned in it.
I don’t see Perry’s troubling comments about cutting & running from Afghanistan mentioned in it.
I don’t see anything about Perry’s past support for a path to citizenship for illegals.
I am a retread who can’t stand the fact that my stupidity caught up with me.
Like I said in louisianapatriette's diary,
The_Rebel (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 10:57PM EST (link)South Carolina won’t matter, whether Romney finishes 1st or 2nd. The more candidates that remain in the race, the better for him there. Florida is where all of the stops will be pulled out by Romney, and it is there that he will secure the nomination. I can’t see any of these candidates stopping him in the sunshine state.
Gingrich Still Leads in Florida. Wake up!
quill67 (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:04PM EST (link)nice try. Ask yourself why you like Romney. Then look at his record. Do they matchup? Still unsure? Then look at the words and the way he talks about things. Do they match the language of a conservative or someone who will lead in a conservative direction?
Basically, you and Romney supporters are 1) Judging him by his looks; 2) by what he claims; 3) Because you are afraid. You think a real conservative cannot win.
Since 1) and 2) are unlikely if one gives it any research or thought. It must be #3. Stand up for the principles that made this country great. Don’t be afraid.
The last published polls were through December 19
Adjoran (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 3:32AM EST (link)One had Gingrich up 15%, half his margin in his first lead three weeks earlier, and one had Romney up 1%.
The more the public sees and learns about Gingrich, the less they will like him. If you think he is some great conservative thinker, you must think it’s conservative to support cap-’n'-tax and other “green” boondoggles, to spend tax dollars to “fight climate change,” and to go with Dede Scozzafazza, who immediately endorsed the Democrat in the run-off and switched parties.
That’s just lately. Wait until Obama reads you the lead counsel’s report to the House Ethics Committee on Newt. You should read it first before you make a mistake.
why
anonymousbosch Wednesday, January 4th at 11:17PM EST (link)why fl? it only has 50 delgates. Even if Romney wins FL he’ll only have around 70-75 of the 1144 delegates needed and have a lead of only 50-60 delegates over the next closest. there will still be 2171 delegates outstanding after fl.
fl wont secure anything for him
Excellent post Erick.
conservativemusician Wednesday, January 4th at 10:58PM EST (link)And the first thing Perry should do immediately as part of his campaign reboot is to instruct his team to start paying a lot more attention to your detailed and insightful posts, specifically your recent Santorum post on the front page right now:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/04/this-wont-play-well-in-south-carolina/
God bless you Erick for your tireless work on behalf of all true conservatives.
Perry 2012.
If Rick Perry is sequestered by his staff, will he read this article?
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:08PM EST (link)I hope so.
No, he cannot.
shadowtax (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:11PM EST (link)It is too late. I think he is in by far a worse position than Santorum who is scrambling to raise funds and build organization. Perry has money, organization, but somehow no effective plan or results. He had to think about whether he was going to stay in or drop out?
I so wanted to support him. I was impressed by his announcement at the RedState Gathering. But he has been so disappointing as a candidate. I do not believe he can pull it off at this point.
I decided about a month ago that I would vote for Santorum if given the chance. This was back when he was off of everybody’s radar. I had met him when he was stumping for Nikki Haley in the 2010 election. I listened to him as the Friday host of the Bill Bennett radio program back when I was struggling to make ends meet by being on the road all the time. He is good enough on all of the issues for me. His explanation for his Specter endorsement and on earmarks are very well expressed for anybody with an interest in listening.
But in the end I think Romney wins. Because we couldn’t settle for something better, we’ll settle for something worse.
Insulted the Base
Tom_Holsinger Wednesday, January 4th at 11:13PM EST (link)Erick,
I support Perry too, but IMO his problem is more that he insulted the GOP base by calling the immigration opinions of so many “”shameful”. I am not aware of any other significant candidate this year, or in the past 50 years, doing something so stupid. Denegrating your own sides’ values is pretty dumb, and Perry can’t blame that one on his staff. He did it to himself.
His later failings only provided people with more justifications for opinions they had already formed of him.
No other candidate has put foot in mouth?
kamiller42 Wednesday, January 4th at 11:50PM EST (link)nt
People think Perry is too risky in electability
Common_Cents (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:15PM EST (link)His disastrous debate gaffes are burned into peoples minds. People do not want to take that chance against obama.
You have to shake a lot of hands to overcome gaffes seen by millions. No amount of messaging can overcome it.
So many Perry supporters says he’s going to dominate the ground game and the polling wasnt correct. Well, IA was telling how effective having only a ground game/retail politics are. You need both good debate performances and good ground game to win.
perry is pigeonholed by media as “perry=bush=dumb” and it’ll take a couple incredible performances to overcome it.
To get another consideration: Perry needs to go beyond knocking the next 2 debates out of the park. And no, that does not mean just survive and do better than his low expectations. But stand head and shoulders above everyone else on stage, bar none.
It’s that simple.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
Agree he is pigeonholed by the media
kindredsoul Wednesday, January 4th at 11:27PM EST (link)and that they fear the “dumb” candidate, memories of G.W.B., probably being uncomfortably forced to agree with their liberal friends at holiday cocktail parties, etc. He needs to be direct: this is exactly what I’m going to do, this is why, and this is how I’m going to do it. Repeat 1000 times. And he needs to draw several (no more than three) bright contrasts with the other candidates (lumping them together as one) right now.
We're Out Of Time
snappy101 Thursday, January 5th at 8:55AM EST (link)I think the problem is time. There isn’t much between now and when South Carolina votes and the two debates killing a whole weekend and the prep time for them, doesn’t help.
We're Out Of Time
snappy101 Thursday, January 5th at 8:55AM EST (link)I think the problem is time. There isn’t much between now and when South Carolina votes and the two debates killing a whole weekend and the prep time for them, don’t help.
We need to change the meme
explodinghead (Diary) Wednesday, January 4th at 11:39PM EST (link)I have been trying to post as many positive posts about what a great candidate Perry is and what a great Governor he has been in South Carolina papers and websites. I wish I had kept many of bzips detailed research and posts to help.
I am trying to get outside the bubble that is Red State and make a difference in South Carolina by fighting against the MSM manufactured meme.
If all the Perry supporters here would go to the websites and newspapers in South Carolina and list Governor Perrys accomplishments with citations and links, then perhaps we can help the reboot and get a win for Perry. Sometimes people need to see entusiasm in their own backyards for a candidate before they will invest their vote in him or her.
here are the S. Carolina newspapers.
cheetah2 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:35AM EST (link)http://www.allyoucanread.com/south-carolina-newspapers/
You can look for articles to comment on. It was suggested to me that one could save comments in a folder to copy and paste where they are appropriate. You could also write letters to the editors.
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
another project to try.
cheetah2 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:47AM EST (link)This suggestion comes from Perry’s grass roots organizers. Call into talk radio shows in S. Carolina.
http://www.newslink.org/scradi.html
There are 6 talk radio stations in S. Carolina.
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
Arguments for Rick Perry
bzip Thursday, January 5th at 9:26AM EST (link)Did you mean the list below (it is a collection of items that people have posted here at Red State or elsewhere that I have collected and tried to make it cleaner). Everyone should feel free to copy and use the below information as they see fit to help Perry out:
Don’t forget the very nice and useful information posted by our own Red State folks:
Don’t Settle: Rick Perry for President.
The Right Choice
http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2011/12/19/dont-settle-rick-perry-for-president/
Arguments for Perry:
In Case You Missed It: Texas Dominates List of Best-Performing Cities
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/16802/
1)Strongest voice on Abortion:
Passed the sonogram bill and defunded planned parenthood in Texas. Due to legislation Perry pushed for and passed 13 abortion clinics in Texas have been shut down and more will follow.
2)Gun Rights:
Having the stance that there should be no laws restricting the right to bear arms. Perry signed into law Castle Law and further amended legislation to include the law extend to our vehicles and further be allowed to carry concealed without a permit while traveling with the clear and simple definition of traveling to include going to and from your home to our car and any destination thereafter.
Perry is a CCL holder and below YouTube Video clip with response from Perry on gun control is all any conservative need to know on how he will deal with gun control. It should be very clear by anyone and everyone what a pro10th amendment rights guy Perry is, you surely can’t dispute that.
http://youtu.be/OenAw39A0b8
3)Taxes
Perry has signed legislation totally 14 billion in tax cuts; among them a veto on the internet sales tax, and bills signed cutting property and franchise business taxes.
4)Government size:
Perry has signed into law protection against eminent domain and when alerted to the threat of land grabs from the TTC, so scuttled the program and bound by law under scorched earth mandate that the TTC shall never rise again under an name and earned him the endorsement of the highest ranking conservative in Texas, Wayne Christian
http://texasgopvote.com/2012-presidential-election/most-conservative-state-representative-texas-endorses-rick-perry-president-expla-003248
5)Perry has also signed into law several bills protecting Texas against EPA over-regulation and is the worst enemy of the EPA
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2012-presidential-election/perry-vs-ep-epic-illuminating-clash/
6) Don’t forget Perry pushed for lawsuit reform and got it – he signed into law comprehensive reforms that have made Texas a leader in the fight against lawsuit abuse. These reforms include a recent loser pay law that will cut down on frivolous lawsuits. His medical liability reforms have increased the number of physicians practicing in the state by the thousands, improving patient access to medical specialists.
7) Protected the “Rainy Day Fund,” which set aside at least $6 billion for future needs and a lot of people were wanting to spend that money but he would not touch it. And Perry is the only governor since World War II to reduce state general revenue spending. Perry also signed a historic property tax cut, and a tax cut for small businesses with less than $1 million in gross receipts.
9) Signed a bill that prevents driver’s licenses for illegals. Additionally, he vetoed a bill that would have allowed the use of a matricula consular, which is an ID card used by the Mexican government, to get a driver’s license in Texas.
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You left out Perry is on the right side of "right to work" and ethanol mandates.
d_lamar Thursday, January 5th at 9:54AM EST (link)nt
This may also be a big reason Perry didn't do well in IA.
conservativemusician Thursday, January 5th at 9:59AM EST (link)He’s calling for an end to the pork and earmarks, but Iowans like them some ethanol subsidies.
Perry's staff can't win it for him...he needs to do it himself
marktx Wednesday, January 4th at 11:51PM EST (link)Perry spent millions of dollars in Iowa, yet came in fifth place. Part of the problem was his poor debate performances. But just as important was his inability to respond to charges pertaining to his positions on illegal immigration and social security.
Perry entered the race largely unknown to most voters outside Texas. Unfortunately, Perry was defined by his opponents before he could define himself. Romney and Ron Paul ran negative ads against Perry that hurt Perry’s poll numbers. Yet Perry didn’t defend himself. Instead, Perry looked unprepared on the debate stage. By the time Perry’s ads starting running in Iowa, he was so far behind he couldn’t catch up.
Given the current climate, Perry’s best strategy now would be to run a stealth campaign…lay low for the next few weeks. Don’t quit, but don’t actively campaign either. Wait for the field to shrink so he can have a one on one race against Romney in Florida and beyond.
If Perry makes the mistake of running to win in South Carolina, all he will be doing is splitting the conservative vote, which will allow Romney to win there.
perry blew it
gtbw Thursday, January 5th at 12:02AM EST (link)by saying a child in usa has to pay more for college in texas than a child from mexico
Point of clarification
kindredsoul Thursday, January 5th at 12:34AM EST (link)gtbw, is it your position that after three years of Obama, which has included (1) Obamacare (with an unconstitutional individual mandate); (2) trillions of dollars of spending — more so of any President ever; (3) making nicey nice with the mullahs in Iran as they build nuclear weapons that they will use; and (4) making every possible wrong decision vis-a-vis the private sector so it is paralyzed from expanding, hiring, getting America moving again, that the deciding issue for you in perhaps the most pivotal Presidential election in our lifetimes is in-state tuition for illegal immigrants in Texas? I don’t like it either, btw, but . . .really?
the question was could perry come back
gtbw Thursday, January 5th at 9:03AM EST (link)with his stance on in state tuition and poor preparation in the debates cost him i think the nomination. i will support the republican nominee.
The Texas Dream Act was passed with a veto proof majority.
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:28AM EST (link)It was passed 179-4.
And it has a majority support from the citizens of Texas.
You should do some reaserch before you post and get some facts, not left wing talking points.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
i sure didn't know
gtbw Thursday, January 5th at 12:03PM EST (link)that in state tuition for illegal was a left wing talking point.
It is a left wing talking point,
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:16PM EST (link)when trying to use it to slam conservatives with it like you are.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
It is not a left wing talking point to attack someome from the right
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:23PM EST (link)I agree that the in state tuition thing is being so blown out of proportion that it is both hilarious and tragic at the same time, but criticizing Perry on that basis isn’t a left wing talking point.
AT BEST, candidates will either be like Bachmann (always say the right things, but never actually accomplish anything) or like Perry (usually say the right, usually do the right thing, and have real accomplishments).
Nobody with a record of accomplishment is ever going to have a perfect record.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
gekster, Perry has developed a perception problem on this issue
lineholder (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:47PM EST (link)and I’m not saying that to be critical of you…simple stating my opinion of something that I believe is true.
There are other states, Southern states, primarily Conservative states, who have worked very hard to pursue legal action that holds to the rule of law under our Constitution in addressing the illegal immigration situation. Georgia, Alabama, and Arizona, just to name three. They’ve taken a different approach that was taken in Texas, which under the Constitution, it is their right to do so, just like it is the right of the people in Texas to make their choice in how they will address it.
What people in those states are concerned about is that if Perry is elected President, a similar decision to the one that was made in Texas could be implemented at a national level. That’s where he has a perception problem…because that’s what people perceive could happen.
Perry has specifically said that he believes in states rights and has no intention to implementing this type of policy on a national level, and this is what needs to be emphasized, not all the other stuff about wanting to integrate illegals so that they aren’t totally dependent on taxpayers, or how someone is attacking Perry, etc.
Point noted and taken lineholder.
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:59PM EST (link)I understand.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
conservative
gtbw Thursday, January 5th at 2:54PM EST (link)the 4 who voted against the texas dream act are the true conservatives.
I ADMIRE THE 4
gtbw Thursday, January 5th at 2:45PM EST (link)The 4 true conservative who stood up for rule of law.
No, the Texas legislature MAKES the law.
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 11:45PM EST (link)They are not puppets of the federal government.
No he didn't. gtbw, you're entitled to your opinon, but not your own set of facts.
mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:04AM EST (link)An illegal in Texas, in order to qualify for in-state tuition rates, has to:
1 – Have graduated from HS in Texas (federal requirement, they can’t be denied schooling).
2 – Have lived in Texas continually for three years.
3 – Meet the academic qualifications for admission.
4 – Apply for and pursue US citizenship.
If they meet these qualifications, they are granted in-state tuition rates and they have to pay for school out of pocket because without a valid SSN they can’t qualify for Title IV federal funds and they don’t receive state funds.
Also becker...
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:24AM EST (link)they have to pay thier own way, no grants.
And the last # I saw was they only are 1% of students in the collages.
It’s not like they are pushing out others.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
and
gtbw Thursday, January 5th at 12:08PM EST (link)this is a left wing talking point
So you're willing to use left wing talking points?
mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:07PM EST (link)And you’re also completely willing to ignore the facts. Nice.
Child from USA gets in state tuition too.
kamiller42 Thursday, January 5th at 11:19AM EST (link)Simply establish residency like everyone else.
These illegal immigrants either
a) Get a higher education and become productive members of society.
b) Become wards of the state.
Take your pick. You may say deport them, but Texas does when they are found. If this is good enough for Sheriff Arpaio, it’s good enough for me.
But like Perry has said, this is all an academic exercise. These kinds of problems go away if you secure the border as he has repeatedly called for.
IIRC, it takes a year, kamiller42, for a native Oklahoman...
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:19PM EST (link)to establish Texas residency, and they can’t be just going to school to qualify as a resident. (I’ve been helping my offspring navigate the rules for proving residency outside Illinois … I can’t even help too much with tuition without raising questions of residency!)
Meanwhile, it takes 3 years for an illegal. Plus, the illegal must graduate from a Texas high school. (there’s that Federal-mandated K-12 magnet…)
Note that this also argues persuasively that the illegal in question was brought here or arrived here under age – not too many 18-year-old high school sophomores, eh?
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Agree with all of the above and
cbartlett Thursday, January 5th at 11:35PM EST (link)also remember that Perry is AGAINST amnesty. This tuition thing has nothing to do with amnesty – which I think is what is actually in people’s minds when they try to use this left-wing talking point. Sure wish Mark Levin would get this. It actually wouldn’t have even mattered if Perry had stood up against this policy – his legislature would have overridden his veto. I know some very, very conservative Texas congressmen who voted in support of this law. It is ridiculous that we can’t get this message out better – IT’S A STATE ISSUE.
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” Abraham Lincoln
Long Shot But...
dkolonia (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:22AM EST (link)The truth is Perry’s staff has not failed him.. Perry has failed himself. He was not ready to debate and that made all the difference. He has a great message now but because of the earlier debates no one is listening.
I agree he should clean house but he also needs to re-assure everyone he will stay in it until someone else wraps it up or he wins it himself. His lack of commitment last night really is going to hurt his chances of making a comeback. Not many will back him just for SC. Staying the whole way is his only hope…it could happen if he did stay until the end.
http://www.RightFace.us
I agree with this mostly
kindredsoul Thursday, January 5th at 12:36AM EST (link)Have you noticed how many people on RedState made donations to Perry today after he announced he was all in for SC? I wonder how many people not posting did. Might give him some oomph going forward . . .dare I say, momentum? Cue conspiratorial music now . . .
The Mittbotts called Eric up
dirlie Thursday, January 5th at 12:55AM EST (link)They panicked last night when the Perry is leaving story came out. With 2 of their main stalking horse’s out there was a real possibility that the real conservatives could unify. I am sure Eric was put on notice by Mitt’s camp by 11Pm to get his Stalking horse Perry back in the race and to start printing outrageous fluff pieces like this to prop him up. Once again, whether you believe it or not, you have been used by Eric and Redstate. They are operating under the orders of Mitt Romney and the orders are as follows 1. Start sliming Santarum 2. Beat down Newt if needed 3. Prop up Perry. and 4. Start the Romney is really conservative backtrack and realignment for Redstate. As you read earlier, Leon Wolf already wrote the first Romney is really a conservative article. Call me a troll or what ever but every thing I have written has come to pass and is true. RED STATE COVER UP !!!1 MITTBOTT takeover in process.
And a shortbus rider weighs in. nt
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:58AM EST (link)They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
LOL. Those sirens you hear are for you...
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:01AM EST (link)For your roll in uncovering this conspiracy, the “powers that be” are going to get you.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
This is ridiculous.
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 1:30AM EST (link)If you’ve spent any time here at all, you’d know that beating Romney has been the main thrust of this site for the last 8 months.
Now that the field is starting to get winnowed, some of the mod’s here are willing to give Romney the benefit of the doubt.
I really don’t think that you are comprehending what’s going on here.
dirlie is wrong about Erick
marktx Thursday, January 5th at 1:12AM EST (link)EE says it like it is, and it’s laughable to suggest that he’s a secret supporter of Romney.
Having said that, Leon Wolf’s puff piece about Romney was tough reading on an empty stomach.
I liked what Leon had to say.
joshdunn Thursday, January 5th at 1:26AM EST (link)I’ve had to endure a lot of flak as a Romney supporter in a party that lurched far to the right between 2008 and 2012.
What no one seems to recognize is that Romney is the same guy that he was in 2008. In 2008, he was the conservative alternative to Giuliani, McCain, and Huckabee. (Huck was liberal on fiscal issues and pardons while conservative on social issues.)
I’m every bit as conservative now as I was in 2008. Romney has the ability to beat Obama. I’m not sure that any of the other candidates match up against Obama as well as Romney does. That is why I’m still for Romney. He’ll send Obama back to Chicago on his deriere.
Conservative in 2008 ? But what standards ?
marktx Thursday, January 5th at 1:35AM EST (link)Just because someone says Romney was to the right of Giuliani in 2008 doesn’t mean Romney was a conservative. Afterall, just a few years before that Romney signed into law socialized medicine in his state.
Romney’s ONLY chance at gaining conservative support in the general would be for him to sign a pledge stating that he would repeal ObamaCare, as well as making a public statement admitting that Romneycare was wrong. Until he does that, his campaign will continue to have trouble gaining the necessary support to defeat Obama.
marktx ... dirlie is wrong about just about everything! He/she
pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:18AM EST (link)is nothing more than an obnoxious pest. Yep, he/she is laughable!
Hell Yeah Rick! Come back.
hobiecat Thursday, January 5th at 1:47AM EST (link)But you need to support him if he does. If you just don’t want Romney then we need to widdle out the weak candidates. The less fragmented the conservative vote is,the better. I respect Bachmann for bowing out. Romney and the RNC are running out the clock. The establishment GOP doesn’t care about the conservatives, and Mitt’s their guy. If Perry has doubts, he needs to stay in Texas. If he thinks he can go all the way then lets get ‘er done
“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain”. The Wizard of OZ
If you could give up Perry to get Romney out of the race...
ragnarthepirate (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 3:16AM EST (link)would you?
If you would, then that tells you all you need to know about Rick Perry as a candidate. On paper, he is the best option for scaling back crony capitalism and the government monster. I understand why you are all hoping he makes a comeback.
But if, as a hypothetical exercise, you would give up Perry to eliminate Romney, imagine what everyone else thinks of him.
- Imagine what non-southerners think of him.
- Imagine what people who want a candidate that can actually articulate the finer points of his plans think.
- Imagine what those who want a strong debater think of him.
- Imagine what those who don’t see anything wrong with a full-time congress think of him.
Ultimately, that’s why Rick Perry is not going to win the nomination. The most ardent supporters of him are here at RS, and all you can muster is to complain about anything but the candidate and his communication skills.
Rick Perry isn’t going to lose because Iowans are idiots, an unfair media, or a sniping staff. He will lose because he communicates his policies poorly. This is frustrating because his policies are excellent, but it is the reality.
It is amazing to me that same people who gleefully point out that Romney’s support in Iowa declined after 4 years of campaigning are so oblivious to the epic implosion of Rick Perry. He’s sunk like a stone since he entered the race.
So what’s the better course? To push Perry out and write the best possible candidate in until that candidate agrees to enter the race.
That candidate is Paul Ryan.
http://www.writeinryan.com
Paul Ryan has already said no, and so has Mitch Daniels
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 3:22AM EST (link)and so have dozens of other people.
Don’t get me wrong–I am a huge Paul Ryan fan and I do think in this bad economy, he is worth violating the “executive experience” requirement.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Yes he has said no.
ragnarthepirate (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 3:37AM EST (link)But we can play the game and lose, or change the game.
Which is the better option?
1. Waste time and energy working for a guy that most of the country has ruled out.
2. Channel dissatisfaction with the field to push someone who Republicans already want to run.
The outcome of number 1 is a sure loss. There’s no question about it. By EE’s figuring, he’s hoping for a THIRD look in 5 months.
By contrast, the outcomes of number 2 are that Paul Ryan enters, or that Paul Ryan doesn’t enter but gains a fair amount of delegates. Are either of those outcomes so bad?
If Paul Ryan were in the race, can we all agree now that he would at least be in the top tier? Thus, there are a sizable number of people who would vote for Paul Ryan but are instead voting for someone currently in the field.
More to the point, there are a sizable number of potential Paul Ryan supporters who will not vote for Perry.
So would you rather those votes go to Santorum or would you like to send your vote and steer their vote to Paul Ryan?
Sure, it’s outside the box, but it’s the only option left.
http://www.writeinryan.com
Ryan will still say no----so why divert your energies?
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 4:13AM EST (link)Moreover, your course of action is based on a lot of assumptions—assumptions that may or may not be true.
Only option left? Hardly . ..
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
This thread is full of assumptions
ragnarthepirate (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:03PM EST (link)More on my assumptions in a second, but first a review of the assumptions in the history of Rick Perry’s presidential bid:
Americans will have no problem with another Texas governor so soon after Bush.
Most Republicans care little about a candidate’s debating skills.
Most Republicans will dismiss a highly visible memory lapse.
Republicans will take another look at a fallen candidate if he fires his entire staff.
Some of these assumptions may be correct, but when you combine them all it is quite staggering. It is quite a leap to think Rick Perry can overcome all that has gone wrong for him in 5 short months.
As for my assumptions, I am assuming that because Paul Ryan is more popular among Republicans than Rick Perry, there must be those who will vote for Paul Ryan but not Rick Perry. I don’t think this is an unreasonable assumption. In May, there was a poll asking Republicans who they wanted to enter the race and Paul Ryan won. If Paul Ryan were more popular than Rick Perry then, and he’s done nothing since to lose support while Rick Perry obviously has lost support, it stands to reason that possible Paul Ryan votes are going to others in the field.
So you can try to convince people to vote for someone they have already declined to support, or you can try to convince people to write in someone they already support.
As for what happens after Paul Ryan decides what to do with his write-in delegates, I am assuming that it is better to have delegates who are directed by a consistent conservative than have them split among the rest of the field. In the event of a brokered convention, do you want Paul Ryan or Rick Santorum to have more influence? Do you want the eventual nominee to be bargaining for delegates based on social issues or the size of government?
Does your presumed scenario factor in the discovery of life on other planets
JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:26PM EST (link)or the eventual uprising of artificial intelligence devices?
Nobody is going to vote for a nominee that hasn’t been through the vetting proces.
Nobody is going to vote for a nominee who isn’t running.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
You should follow your own Rule #1
ragnarthepirate (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 4:13PM EST (link)You said you were a huge Paul Ryan fan, what’s so bad about voting for him? In most states you’re free to write in whoever you would like.
@ragnarthepirate - so we're not supposed to persuade people, gotcha
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 4:21PM EST (link)no need for Redstate, then. Shoo,
I'm trying to persuade you and others
ragnarthepirate (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 9:34PM EST (link)to vote for their first choice in the primaries, even if that person isn’t running.
#1 Lesson from Perry is how extremely difficult it is to jump in late
lizzie Thursday, January 5th at 4:28AM EST (link)Considering what Perry accomplished in less than fve months, and what Romney has accomplished in five years, no one will ever enter a contest this late again.
btw, last I heard/read, Mitch Daniels is open to VP.
But, he has taint of Bush43 and private sector with Big Pharma, slightly less offensive than private equity Wall Street.
I am more impressed with Bobby Jindal than Paul Ryan.
Not sure how Jindal managed to run LA HHS, manage LA university system, serve in Congress, and now in his second term as governor by age 40.
It's easier to jump in late if there are already delegates waiting
ragnarthepirate (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:07PM EST (link)If Paul Ryan wins a fair amount of delegates from write in votes, he’ll face little difficulty in making a late entrance.
In May, there was a poll asking Republicans who they wanted to enter the race and Paul Ryan won, defeating even Jindal. Paul Ryan has had more national visibility than any other possible entrant. One could argue that over Obama’s first term, he had more visibility than most of the current field. Thus, it will be easier for him to make a late entry than Rick Perry.
too late to replace staff, but Perry needs to build on what he said in Perry, Iowa
lizzie Thursday, January 5th at 4:18AM EST (link)which is the best messaging I have seen on the stump. Back sort of to where he started: jobs, role of gov, repeal Obamacare, light touch on social issues.
Besides, who is available who is a campaign genius at this stage?
Karl Rove, and I do know the enmity that has been re-stated here, is the kiss of death to any GOP candidate. Bush’s Brain? Let Romney be W 2.0
Dick Morris is also the kiss of death to anyone.
I DID understand Perrry’s dilemma in Iowa on social issues, because no one there forgot Perry endorsed Giuliani in 2008, and Perry was also perceived as too moderate on abortion. But, that re-branding lost his jobs/fair regulation, etc. message.
btw, I was in the NY metro suburbs when Giuliani was Mayor until I moved back in 2001. But I always used to read the NYT (my de-tox started in 2008), and, I am very open-minded commenter, certainly about abortion (history – women will do it as they have done for thousands of years, so it should be safe and legal, and rare.)
BUT even I was repulsed when Giuliani snuck his mistress Judith into Gracie Mansion WHILE his wife Donna and their children were in other rooms. It is NOT a big Mansion – that is just the old name. And the cross-dressing on SNL. I have respect for almost all lifestyles, but really can not deal with public displays. One Greenwich Village Halloween Parade was enough.
The campaign commercials? I really dislike that last Santorum-Unelectable ad that was still on Perry2012 earlier today.
No one thought to permanently embed the Youtubes of all of Perry’s terrific interviews and speeches????? on the campaign website. not even on the Iowa caucus page???? THAT person needs major help – people go there, and should be able to find those Youtubes.
Maybe 16,000 people viewed his speech to the NH Assembly in early December, quoting Daniel Webster.
Or his 71-minute interview on Oct 28 with the NH Union Leader.
Embed them IN the campaign website!
His campaign events -time and location – were only posted at Politico,!!!!!! Usually too late for anyone to try to get to them.
And, about those early debates? I knew he had had back surgery, and it looked like he was uncomfortable standing still for two hours – and he should have done AT THE TIME what he finally did during his 27-minute interview with KDMReg Kathie Obradovich in December (which has disappeared from their website). She asked about the pain-killers – nope, that was only first ten days, but then he did admit not being able to get back to running for ten weeks DID slow him down.
Then he said, “No excuses. It is what it is.”
Perfect! Instead (that was in mid-December), the campaign, at the beginning, suggested maybe Perry would skip some debates, and then had to back track.
I respect and admire Gov. Perry’s trait of being private and modest, but
a brief explanation at the time and “No excuses. It is what it is.” would have changed the whole perception issue.
As to the “oops”? Well, Perry doing really well, and then was looking at Ron Paul and his Five Fingered Hand.. What I did not realize until less than two weeks ago is how much Perry must see Luap Nor as the embodiment of evil, because he told Iran’s PRESSTV on Jan 5, 2009 that Gaza is a concentration camp and Hamas is making homemade bombs.
When Gov. Perry last took a Texas trade delegation to Israel, he made sure they went to S’Derot, to see the underground bombproof playground that was built in 2010 so the children had a safe place to play.
Someone who introduced Perry at the RJC Forum told that story. I started crying because I had donated $50 to help build that playgorund, which is a lot of money for me , but I could not bear to think of all those children hiding inside their homes, not safe to play outside because they never know when one of those homemade bombs are coming.
I know Perry could not say he lost his train of thought because of that, but that Oops is why so many people still think he is not smart enough for the Oval Office.
They all keep dancing gingerly around Ron Paul.
only Rick Perry (and Newt) know how ignorant Laup is of the truth about what it is like to know people next door want to kill you just because you are Israeli.
As I posted in louisianapatriette’s diary, Perry’s epiphany on finding a path forward on his morning-after run was a military strategy – he loves reading military history. I used the Battle of Midway and then the island hopping all the way to Okinawa. Yes, Halsey had to stay in hospital, but he chose Spruance. Nimitz had the good judgement to delegate that decision to Halsey.
but, replacing Allbaugh seems to me to be a bad idea.
apologies for the long comment – made the mistake of visiting The New Republic where Alec McGillis continues his demonization of Rick Perry, although tonight they editors started a contest to ask a group of pundits whether Santorum or Paul would be the most dangerous president.
TNR originally reported on the newsletters, but Kirchik was not asked to vote.
pttx333: thanks for reading my comments elsewhere. I wantyou to be my neighbor. Good neighbors are in short supply in these Blue States.
Conservatives need to unite
penhall99 Thursday, January 5th at 4:25AM EST (link)Last night should be a wake-up call. Conservatives need to do EVERYTHING we possibly can to help Perry. He’s our last hope, the only viable conservative candidate. So let’s do this!
Perry and Huntsman should stick it out through super tuesday.
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 5:56AM EST (link)Although it could happen no candidate needs to win all of the primaries to get the nomination. The race is only really over to those who either don’t have he money to continue or the will to do so among the contenders.
As much as the media and many pundits will agonize over every single poll until then for each state until then, there’s still a long way to go in this thing. While every state will be considered “the most important vote in the universe” by the media and many others Florida is the biggest deal before super Tuesday.
Perry and Huntsman should show the voters the mettle that governors are made of and remind us why many want people with executive experience in the office of the POTUS. If either of them pull a Romney and quit because the going got tough when the others ganged up on him then neither of them deserve any consideration in the future, ever.
We have choices and a lot of votes to go, do we end up with the guy who couldn’t beat the guy who couldn’t beat the O before or do we end up with someone who can take the negative hits and plug away until he eventually wins?
Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
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Huntsman? No way!
paco12348 Thursday, January 5th at 7:57AM EST (link)I wouldn’t vote for Huntsman for dog catcher. He’s Obama light. He’s arrogant and elitist, just like Obama. He may not be Socialist but he thinks he’s better than others and as a person in a “fly over” state I resent that to the bottom of my feet.
Like I told a snob in CA, we actually have Universities in OK, and Indians are an integral part of our society.
I’m sick of snobs and elitists. I want a President from the so called “common people” that know what the old fashioned word “work” really means. I want a President that loves America and will follow the rule of law so we can feel safe again.
I want someone that will throw the Usurper out of the White House and scrub out the dregs. I want a President that will clean out this country. If one overstays their Visa, find them and kick them out. If one doesn’t follow the rules they don’t belong. If people won’t assimilate, kick them out.
I want a President with guts, not one that prances around the country with lies running out his mouth, working for his next term and selling his soul to the highest bidder.
Erick
jlsankot Thursday, January 5th at 6:40AM EST (link)I agree with flgal208 posted above.
Send this piece to Perry. You have some very good points and you have been around the block or two in your observations of previous campaigns, so let him know how he can make his campaign a success.
I hope you will.
My disappointment with Rick Perry
rolandday Thursday, January 5th at 7:14AM EST (link)I had heard good things about Rick Perry and his record in Texas. His announcement speech was very good.
But then he came out against a border fence. Anyone who lives in a border states should be aware of the illegal immigration problem and the threat it poses to our national security.
He seems to be disconnected from reality, so I don’t know if I could support him for the nomination, however if he were the Republican nominee, I would support him over the Democrat Manchurian incumbent.
Roland Day
Perry is the toughest when it comes to the border
bzip Thursday, January 5th at 7:59AM EST (link)That is the silliest thing I have heard yet. I was born and raised on a border state. Strategic fencing is the answer which Perry has always supported and used BUT you can’t fence the entire border, it is impossible and stupid. You do realize their are rivers, property rights, tunnels that become a serious issue.
I have lived on a border state all my life and I have seen huge massive tunnels built under these fences, large enough to drive cars through. Perry is the toughest guy out there when it comes to illegal immigration.
Perry signed a bill that prevents driver’s licenses for illegals. Additionally, he vetoed a bill that would have allowed the use of a matricula consular, which is an ID card used by the Mexican government, to get a driver’s license in Texas.
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From Upstate SC, Perry needs to clarify his immigration
Vaughn Harold (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 7:36AM EST (link)position ASAP, this is the number one reason he is not doing well in SC.
That's absurd.
NightTwister (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 9:01AM EST (link)There’s no distinguishable difference in the immigration policies of Perry and Newt, yet Newt is leading by a large margin in SC.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
I haven't seen or heard anything that has compared
Vaughn Harold (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:36PM EST (link)Perry to Newt’s, or any other candidate’s, immigration policies in upstate SC since Perry fumbled the ball in the debates. Immigration is one of top litmus test in upstate SC. Perry must correct this missperception of his policies on immigration, if he doesn’t he’ll lose SC.
The second thing he must do is communicate that he is the only person that can correct the coarse heading back from socialism to capitalism. SC is looking for the person that has the strength and fight to accomplish this task.
Authentic
paco12348 Thursday, January 5th at 7:41AM EST (link)I have come to HATE the word “authentic”. Every candidate loves that word. Every time I hear a politician on tv say, “This is the way it is,” or “I guarantee you” or “I promise you” or any other of the “last word” I know it’s going to be a lie. The word “authentic” dropped effortlessly from Bachmann’s lips and others. The way I see it is if you are truly authentic your record stands for you and you don’t need to continue saying it. Just because one “says” it over and over doesn’t make it true.
I’m tired of being treated like a dumb OWS. I wasn’t indoctrinated when I attended public school. Gingrich is the only one talking TO us instead of AT us. Perry is next, he’s just not as smooth but when he’s not Texas brash he’s someone I could support.
If you want someone that sees the danger to America then look at Newt. He knows the radical Judicial system is destroying our country. The Left get everything it wants when law is “made”.
We are in the 2nd Revolution of America and are the Ground Troops. Pick your man and fight hard because with a 2nd term for Obama there will no America left for anyone to fight for.
The next thing you better do is look hard at what your kids are learning in school. Look at their books, especially the History books. Know their teachers. Indoctrination is alive and well in the school system today.
Letting a president overrule the judiciary if he doesn't like their rulings
Ann_W (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:42PM EST (link)is a very dangerous precedent to set. Things may be a little out of balance in the current system, but that precedent would let a future liberal president completely take over the balance of power. Not wise at all.
“One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.”
— Milton Friedman
The War on Poverty– forty-six years and counting!
the president swears an oath to uphold the constitution, not the supreme court
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:50PM EST (link)And the president has the power to enforce judgments, not the supreme court. So if the supreme court for example ordered the federal government to take over Texas prison system as inflicting cruel and unusual punishment because it fails to provide prayer mats to Muslims, the president can rightly say no, the constitution does not permit me to take that action and the court has gone beyond its constitutional authority.
The balance of power is in the Constitution.
Ann_W (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:26PM EST (link)History shows that we don’t always have conservative presidents. Presidents not worried about that check would be Hugo Chavez material. You need to address the court issue by getting more Constitutionalists on there.
“One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.”
— Milton Friedman
The War on Poverty– forty-six years and counting!
every branch has a check on the others
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:51PM EST (link)Presidents have often checked the sc. The past fifty years have been unique in that sc gained a lot credibility from the civil rights fights, rightly so. But they’ve squandered it and their credibility has dropped. The threat from the executive to check their social engineering is helpful to keep the balance in check. All out war between any two branches is a crisis. The genius in the constitution is that no branch can tyrranize the others, at least for very long.
That would give the president unchecked power.
Ann_W (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 3:08PM EST (link)I’m not going to argue this with you anymore, but I just hope that you can see that a pres. being able to veto SC decisions that he didn’t like would be the end of the system the founders set up. It may be anyway if we don’t do the hard work to get good justices in power, but the answer is in strengthening a brilliant design that the founders set up, not destroying it.
We need to put all effort into electing good presidents, not warping the system because we think our candidate wouldn’t abuse the extra power.
“One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.”
— Milton Friedman
The War on Poverty– forty-six years and counting!
No, he can't.
burke Thursday, January 5th at 8:52AM EST (link)Perry’s not polling well anywhere. He doesn’t have momentum. He placed fifth in Iowa. He’s got a lot of money, but while I think lack of money can eliminate a candidate’s chances, I don’t think having a lot of money can create a candidate or justify his continued presence. Perry spent a ton in Iowa and performed very poorly. Why would his money produce success anywhere else?
There are a lot of good things to be said about Perry. But his image in the national public eye is set. Much of the public has decided that he’s not smart or good enough of a communicator to do the job of president. The media will reinforce it by highlighting Perry’s every flub, even little things that they’d give Obama, Romney or even Gingrich a pass for: not because they hate Perry in particular, but because the press knows that reports reinforcing what people already believe SELL. Frankly, that’s an electability problem at this point. People who agree with all his views might make excuses for him, but independents and moderate Republicans won’t. We can debate whether public perception of Perry as uber-dumb is fair but it’s real, and it’s a liability.
I’m pretty surprised Perry didn’t drop out. At this point, he’s Romney’s agent in the way Bachmann might have been. He’s a dead candidate walking, but while Perry’s there, he’ll suck a good 5-10% away from Gingrich (and/or Santorum, maybe), the more viable not-Romney. I wonder who really made the decision for Perry to keep going. I don’t know if it’s in Perry’s reputational interest in the long run to drag out his loss.
And I don’t appreciate the vitriol directed towards Iowans and other social conservatives for not choosing Perry. People have different priorities. Denigrating average people for not agreeing with one’s views is classic liberal rhetoric. We shouldn’t appropriate it.
Erick, thanks for your insights re Perry camp.
uncmike Thursday, January 5th at 8:58AM EST (link)I am a big Perry fan based on his record in Texas. And I really believe he is truly committed to rolling big government back and would do that if elected. I’m afraid the others are more the “mend it, don’t end it variety,” which means just more layers on an already-bloated bureaucracy. It sounds like there is indeed both turmoil and incompetence among the Perry campaign staff and that does need to be fixed. Whether that would get the media to give Perry an honest look, I’m not so sure. I think Perry has a committed base, although it seems to be small. If he could rectify his campaign, and get his good message out, then I think he could rise again in the polls as the field is winnowed down. In my personal view, if Perry goes, we’re stuck with three people who have done virtually nothing to cut government spending and would be likely to go-along to get-along with the Democrats, and we know how that works out for conservatives. It pains me that the race on our side is coming down to this because I think the candidates remaining (sans Perry) are dream opponents for Obama and the Dems.
Hire Ed Rollins to consult and Perry could reboot
Juggernaut (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 9:15AM EST (link)and reshape his campaign. As a part time consultant Rollins could reeducate staffers and reign in the problem leaders. I don’t see Perry firing anyone unless they’d go quietly so as to keep the media in the dark and prevent rumors of dismay. Someone new at the top could change things for the better, the rest is up to Rick Perry.
RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism – please feel free to use is as often as possible…….it will kill his campaign.
Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.
Ed Rollins is smarter than that...he would say no
david1313 Thursday, January 5th at 5:14PM EST (link)and he would be right. Rick better speak up soon. Fred took a nap, and then it was over last time around.
Perhaps but Rollins said
Juggernaut (Diary) Friday, January 6th at 10:01AM EST (link)yes to Bachman. Maybe it was the money talking.
RomneyCare is Right Wing Socialism – please feel free to use is as often as possible…….it will kill his campaign.
Romney “severely conservative”? That’s the opposite of a “compassionate conservative” like George W. Bush? Actually, we know what a severely conservative is. It’s Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney is no Dick Cheney.
You Better Believe Rick Perry is making a come back!
bzip Thursday, January 5th at 9:38AM EST (link)You better believe Rick Perry can and will come back!
If this country has any hope of ever getting rid of the corrupt, big gov’t, big spending politicians they better hope for a Rick Perry come back.
There isn’t one other candidate that has the record, the ability and proven reforming experience then Rick Perry.
Good grief, some of you people want to call yourselves conservatives that promote conservative values yet you sit there and support the very same corrupt big gov’t candidates that “conservatives” are trying to get rid of.
What is next, support of the McCain’s, the pseudo conservatives that got us into this mess in the first place. You are so set in defending people who have a well known history for supporting the very issues that we have so fought against from: Mandates, to Global Warming, To Carbon Cap Mandates, to Earmarks.
Yet you so easily walk away and even have the nerve to bash the very candidate that has the best resume, the best record, the most consistent conservative who has proven his abilities to “reform, deregulate as well as promote job growth”. You have the gull to sit there and bash the best candidate and call yourselves “conservatives”. Is it any wonder this country is falling off a cliff.
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Rick's come back will most probably do this
david1313 Thursday, January 5th at 9:52AM EST (link)Take 5 or 6 points off Newt, 3 or 4 points from Rick S. And then most likely added to the 5 he already has make about 14 per cent of the vote. So then Romney wins with about 32 per cent, give or take a per cent or two.
Bravo, bzip! 55555 My sentiments EXACTLY. I
pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:19AM EST (link)posted a similar rant last night and am absolutely floored that everyone can’t see what we are saying. My gloves are off, and I’m fighting for the life of our nation! Guess we’re gonna have to do that to get anything accomplished.
It is onward and upward and Perry WILL prevail!
To answer your question: NO, he can't....
david1313 Thursday, January 5th at 9:41AM EST (link)However he can continue to split the vote. Newt is the answer you guys are looking for. Rick Perry has his baggage too. I am from Texas and no one I know thinks of Rick as a “small government guy.”
Romney advisor sez...
trelane Thursday, January 5th at 10:11AM EST (link)“[Rick Perry is] A gift that keeps giving,”
Oh Really
carolynr Thursday, January 5th at 10:54AM EST (link)Well…what are all the companies moving into Texas for then. Too much regulation? Too many taxes? Government likes power…it likes regulation and it likes taxes.
None of you have played football
malvernpa (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 9:44AM EST (link)None of you fine folks have played football. The orchestrated chaos as the ball is snapped is something we watch every week. Now and then the hole in the line opens up and the ball carrier is off to the races. Conservatives are fed up and reaching for someone who will do the right thing once in office. This is a good primary where we are going through every candidates underwear drawer so the candidates peak and then once we see what is really in the drawer they fall. Perry was just not ready early on and possibly too confident, a little fear is always healthy and my guess is that he feels it now. If he is the kind of man and candidate I believe he is ( pilots usually are ) and also the kind of man we need as president, he will fix what is wrong with his campaign. If he can do that he will be seen as the ONLY logical real candidate that can carry the conservative banner. If he cannot fix this then he may have trouble fixing major issues as president and we will need to know that as soon as possible. If he cannot fix this it is time to get out of the way, if he can lets help him break through that hole in the line and make a good run of it.
"Some Rays of Hope for Rick Perry"
louisianapatriette (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:19AM EST (link)Surprisingly enough, this article comes from…you’ll never believe it…the Houston Chronicle. However, it makes several good points. Here’s the link: http://blog.chron.com/rickperry/2012/01/some-rays-of-hope-for-rick-perry/
“…if you look at the innards of the “entry polls” of caucus participants on CNN’s web site, there are some rays of hope that the Texas governor could build on in the 16 days leading up to the Jan. 21 South Carolina primary.
Here are some of the groups most attracted to Perry — and how it may help him going forward:
Voters who said TV ads were important factor in their decision (19 percent)
Perry has a lot more money to spend in South Carolina than rivals Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum. His Iowa ads helped him to escape single digits. In theory, South Carolina ads could vault him over other conservatives.
Voters who never attended college (16 percent)
Iowa is one of the best-educated states in the nation. When the presidential campaign leaves New Hampshire (another highly educated state) Perry will have a larger target for his anti-elite message.
Voters who decided in the last few days before caucuses (15 percent)
This is a function of effective TV ads. Perry generated a modicum of momentum in Iowa. He did it once. Why not again?
Voters with family incomes under $50,000 (14 percent)
When it comes to voters’ incomes, Perry is the un-Romney. The multimillionaire from Massachusetts is the runaway favorite of higher-income voters. Perry fares well among blue-collar Republicans. There are lots of them coming soon in South Carolina and Florida.
Very conservative voters (14 percent)
Santorum passed Perry among the most conservative voters in Iowa. But if the former Pennsylvania senator suffers a political setback in the next two weeks, Perry is positioned to pick up bushels of hard-right votes.
Strong supporters of Tea Party movement (14 percent)
Perry’s support for Texas’ in-state tuition program for illegal immigrant college students alienated some Tea Party loyalists, but he came on strong with his anti-Washington, anti-tax, anti-regulation rhetoric. If he can neutralize Santorum, he has real up-side potential as the candidate of avid Tea Partiers who are suspicious of Ron Paul’s foreign policy views.
Born-again or Evangelical voters (14 percent)
Perry was more than twice as likely to appeal to fundamentalist Christians than to secular Republicans. In South Carolina, a hot-bed of Religious Right influence, that’s a good demographic profile.
Voters who consider strong moral character the most important issue (14 percent)
The Texas governor’s enthusiastic denunciation of gays serving openly in the military or getting married earned him support from many conservative moralists. Once again, Santorum is blocking Perry’s path to success with these voters.
Voters age 65 and older (13 percent)
Ron Paul is the overwhelming favorite of young voters, but Perry does well among the oldest Republican voters who tend to be socially conservative and strongly pro-military. Florida, which holds its primary on Jan. 31, has a massive elderly presence in its GOP electorate. If Perry survives to fight in Florida, older voters could help him score a breakthrough.”
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Yes, Perry can come back. Please, Erick, express your concerns to him in person. A heart-to-heart conversation may be very effective. Please consider giving him a call or hurrying to South Carolina as soon as he gets there. I’m sure he’d listen to you.
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill
@ChangeForPerry
Great analysis L....
texastaxpayer (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:26AM EST (link)Keep up the good work, I have to believe the people of this country are going to wake up and vote record over rhetoric.
“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston
You know you aren't a viable candidate
thirstyboots Thursday, January 5th at 2:01PM EST (link)When you’re hoping that older voters can help you to score a breakthrough because you scored…. 13% with them.
Thnaks for the Iowa entry polls, lapatriette, and here I am reposting waht I just added to your diary plus a few more thoughts on this thread
lizzie Thursday, January 5th at 4:09PM EST (link)[because my PC buffer will not let me back into this thread]
This was my Thursday Jan 5 2012 email to the Perry campaign about how to change their website, and including my Disqus comment at the SC Statesman today:
“NEVER QUIT! Perry2012 website is NOT helpful to 1st time visitors.
People are just tuning in, and you got nothing online to persuade them
that Perry is not just one big Oops.
1) GET RID of that Santorum-Unelectable attack ad.
2) Embed Youtubes of Gov. Perry’s speech to the NH Legislature, his
71-minute Oct 28 interview with the editorial board of the Union
Leader, and his December 27 minute one on one with DMReg Kathy
Obradovich.
3) POST Perry’s scheduled campaign events on the Home Page!!!!!!!
also in today’s news:
http://www.thestate.com/2012/01/04/2101196/candidates-set-to-brawl-in-sc.html#storylink=cpy
My comment, in Disqus:
USNK2:
“Mr. Romney has ZERO coattails.
President Obama has NEGATIVE coattails – he will be relying on
statewide Senate contests to boost turnout, but not ONE of those
Democratic Senate candidates will stand on a podium next to him.
In 2012, the DNC will use the 2010 New York strategy, when there was
ZERO enthusiasm for Andrew Cuomo or Carl Paladino. NY used Senator
Kirsten Gillibrand, previously a fiscal conservative, to drive voter
turnout statewide with one message: “protecting women’s reproductive
rights”, thereby totally leaving the New York Medicaid model that is
bankrupting New York out of the election. New York Medicaid
eligibility and benefits standards are the model for PPACA aka
Obamacare, which will bankrupt the other 49 states. (and I am a
disillusioned fiscal conservative democrat who votes in New York)
Mr. Santorum’s career as a “consultant” to K Street since 2006 is only
now being revealed in addition to his Big Government spending votes.
I hope the voters in South Carolina all watch this Jan. 5, 2009 Ron
Paul interview with Iran’s official state news PressTV to hear how his
worldview is almost word for word from the far left Code Pink/Free
Gaza base that has migrated to his campaign:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1t4O9CcZQ0&feature=related
Leadership fuels confidence.
Who would YOU follow over the hill, into the line of fire?”
[closing my email message to Team Perry]:
Well, I would have even more confidence if Perry2012 FIXED the website!!!!!
People are just tuning in, and you got nothing online to persuade them
that Perry is not just one big Oops.
[name with held]
also aka Lizzie at RedState, USNK2 in Disqus, and K2K elsewhere online.
louisianapatriette: No need for the Perry Posse to go cold just because the Perry campaign IS back in Texas to re-boot and re-tool and prep for the two debates
But, I really do think they missed the point of a campaign website when voters are finally tuning in.
I know they are passing on New Hampshire, but no reason they can’t have Perry’s best speech (NH legislature) and two best interviews embedded on the home page by Friday. Perry DOES have support in New Hampshire, and he can easily pull 5%, which would exceed expectations.
and, I do think that Santorum-Unelectable ad is beneath Perry. No purpose served.
ADDING at least two points about FLORIDA:
1) The Perry campaign early on signed up a lot of Marco Rubio’s team for organization, I assume they are still in place because I think most of them are paid operatives, not ‘endorsers’.
2) The famous Florida Jewish vote. There is NO ONE, not even Gingrich, who has a stronger record on Israel than Gov. Perry, and it is mostly based on his 20-year results in trade and technology since his first visit as Ag Commissioner in 1992 (drip irrigation, water reclamation and desalinization). It is TEXAS companies who are in the lead in helping Israel develop their offshore natural gas and oil shale reserves, the latter equal Saudi Arabia’s proven reserves.
Contrast with Romney, who, on Yom Kippur broadcast of PBS Newshour, declined to state if he thought apartments in North Jerusalem (Ramat Shlomo) and South Jerusalem (Gilo) are “settlements”. These two neighborhoods were built after Israel annexed Jerusalem – they just happen to be east of the 1949 armistice line, but Obama turned them into a major diplomatic rift with PM Netanyahu in March 2009 and August 2010. I am a non-observant Jew (born and raised in Miami but migrated north for college) and I can tell you that Obama knows he can NOT win more than 50% of the Jewish vote and most of that are the liberals in Manhattan and Massacusetts and California.
The thing about the Jewish vote is that we talk to each other in so many networks that you almost do not need paid advertising – just do not tell Luap Nor because I do not want to fuel his conspiracy theories!!!
Perry in Florida is Obama’s worst nightmare.
Thing is, Perry needs a strong show in South Carolina to have enough money to spend in Florida. I am counting on his recently formed Veterans network to help in SC, and FL.
(btw, circlegranch somewhere posted that Perry should protest Panetta’s plan to reduce US army personnel. NOT the military issue to protest, not if it means the USN stays strong. We added ground troops for Iraq and Afghanistan. No one expects another ground war anywhere. As for China? Navy and cyber-war are the issues)
One other point: Yesterday, my fifth gen Mass neighbor said Perry was “Phony”. I finally figured it out – she took his Oops minute in that debate as proof, not that he is dumb, but that he did not believe in his own proposal enough to remember it. I had not thought about THAT aspect of how damaging that Oops moment has been.
So, Perry will get his 2-3 questions in the weekend NH debates, and he has to ace them.
see y’all somewhere else!
Perry can come back
dereich Thursday, January 5th at 10:37AM EST (link)I have been following Redstate since Rick Perry announced last year but this is my first post. While I have always voted in all elections, before Obama was elected I was never very well informed. After the 2008 debacle I began to take a much greater interest, watching C-span, joining Heritage, reading blogs and Fox news. Like many here have expressed, I feel a sense of betrayal at Fox news, as the commentary there has turned out to be the very thing they deride, and that is MSM. Ridiculous coverage of Repub nomination process. From my observation, Perry has more than a fighting chance for this nomination and here is why: Fox is holding Santorum up right now, so the long knives will be coming out soon and I’m not sure he can withstand them. Huntsman is doing well in NH so that will train the Mitt machine against him. Newt has already stated he is out for Mitt blood and Mitt will have to keep attacking there as well. That leaves Govenor Perry out of the messy fray.
The Govenors assets are well known here and as to campaign teams, I know nothing. But I believe Perry is just missing the mark on his messaging. Tea Party rallies will be fired up to hear him say make Congress part time. Fire the Fed. Term limit judges. But the farmer in Iowa does not care about that. And I do not believe the average American does either(having been one most of my life) And I believe he is viewed by too many as a lttle too volitile.
But he is my guy. I think he is wonderful and I am trying to influence as many voters as I can.
Thank you for this website-it is my favorite.
De
Thanks for sharing, dereich.
westcoastpatriette (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:45AM EST (link)I could ditto your description of yourself and your recent entry into a deeper involvement in politics (prompted by the election of Obama.) I think we represent the people referred to as Tea Party people, although it is becoming clear that there is a lot of nuance among that group.
What state are you from? Glad you are a Perry supporter.
Thanks for the welcome, westcoastpatriette
dereich Thursday, January 5th at 11:25AM EST (link)I am from the great state of Arizona. Every candidate in this race can parse about their plans to fix the border, but that is empty rhetoric and we have heard it from Dem and Repub presidential candidates for years. I believe the only Nominee with the guts to really tackle the issue is Govenor Perry.
Yes- I believe we are the Tea Party, though I used to pretty much go along with the Establishment Repubs. Boy has this election been an eye opener for me. Because of the Tea Party movement I no longer feel I have to support the status quo thinking of the party because there is now another option.
I like Perry, but it might be time to get behind Huntsman
Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:38AM EST (link)Huntsman has been crawling up my list to the point where it’s not 1) Perry 2) Huntsman, but 1) Perry 1a) Huntsman.
I may wait on sending a donation until I see where Huntsman finishes in New Hampshire.
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Formerly know as “Oz” in these parts
The primary problem is the candidate.
barleycorn (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 10:51AM EST (link)Candidate Perry is the single biggest problem that the Perry Campaign has.
Great guy, good on the issues, I wish he had a better skill set, but reality is what it is.
Perry is the only small-government conservative in the race
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 11:19AM EST (link)Every other candidate reflexively sees government as the solution to our problems. You’d think this would mean the conservative GOP would back him, but no. The GOP is determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of what should be an impossible-to-foul-up victory over the worst President in all of history.
I am growing seriously tired of the lack of awareness in this country. That’s it. JSobieski and I and probably some others are moving to New Zealand.
Yes...But Only If Conservatives/TPM Steps Up
carolynr Thursday, January 5th at 10:52AM EST (link)Santorum is part of what is broken is Washington DC. Too much spending. See my article referencing Porter Stansberry. Gingrich will run every negative ad to get back at Romney. Romney, in turn will do the same thing. Paulbots…not Paul himself, will attack both Gingrich, Santorum and Romney.
Suppose that Perry had performed flawlessly on the debates. Suppose there were no gaffes…or supposed gaffes. What Perry is proposing is to not only get rid of the symptom…but get rid of the disease entirely…THE BIG SPENDING GOVERNMENT and return to the states. The only people that can pull him into victory are everyday people. The elitists in BOTH parties will fight Perry tooth and nail. He is the answer to our problem…he espouses EVERYTHING the TPM marched for…and for that matter some of OWS…BUT…are the masses too stupid to think for themselves instead of listening to the Media? One of the Caucus Leaders on this board said that because Fox News said it…they followed their lead…THEREIN lies the problem.
failing to unite behind newt means romney gets the nod
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 11:06AM EST (link)Santorum is a flash and Perry is an afterthought. Nothing else to say about it.
failing to unite behind Perry means romney gets the nod
bzip Thursday, January 5th at 11:15AM EST (link)Let me correct the title for you, farmer;
failing to unite behind Perry means romney gets the nod.
Clearly Santorum is a flash of yet another big spending, big gov’t earmark clown much like Newt and his carbon caps, mandates, global warming progressive ways.
I support Governor Rick Perry. Join the Tea and Fed Up Blog.
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You Discredit Yourself
aj_0000 Thursday, January 5th at 11:19AM EST (link)By calling people “clowns”. You sound like a childish cheerleader rooting for your sports team win or lose, not a rational, concerned citizen. If you’re going to have that attitude, you had better not vote for Romney in November, or you are a blatant hypocrite.
Bottom Line
aj_0000 Thursday, January 5th at 11:24AM EST (link)By keeping Perry dead-ender sentiment alive, Redstate.com is effectively acting as a Romney campaign surrogate. Enough so that you have to wonder if this place hasn’t been bought by Mitt as well.
You were already discredited, aj_0000. I note you haven't replied ...
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 11:27AM EST (link)over in the thread where you admitted you’ll stay home if the GOP nominate some of our candidates.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Only Romney
aj_0000 Thursday, January 5th at 1:26PM EST (link)I would vote for any of the others. Unfortunately, Gingrich is the only one who can actually beat Romney, and his chances are slim.
Stating that you won't vote for Romney in the general, aj_0000...
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:12PM EST (link)is remarkably stupid, especially if the other choice is a Dem.
You just go ahead and take your ball and run along home now.
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
Gingrich
aj_0000 Thursday, January 5th at 11:16AM EST (link)Is the only candidate in the field who can beat Romney. I don’t dislike Perry. I wish he had done a better job, and not wrecked himself when it was his race to lose. But he did, and it’s too late now for him to make a comeback big enough to win the nomination. All he can do is split the conservative vote even further, guaranteeing a Romney victory.
Very true...
david1313 Thursday, January 5th at 11:25AM EST (link)but for some reason many are determined to split the vote. When Romney gets the nomination I will no longer be able to post to Redstate until after he loses. I understand and respect the rules.
I'm Going To Be Very Blunt...AJ
carolynr Thursday, January 5th at 11:32AM EST (link)Newt Gingrich is corrupt. Do you understand that. Even if Perry were perfect…he has an uphill climb because he is talking about dismantling Washington…and I hope you are aware that this is our problem…aren’t you. $1.6 million from Freddie Mac. The guy is a Washington Insider who is trying desperately to paint himself as a Tea Party Candidate. The man is corrupt. How much more corruption can we stand?
Secondly, yes the man has many, many ideas…a lots of them do not include “vision”…meaning the end result. He is scattered in his ideas and that worries me. He is a progressive…and that is the end of the story. Want to tell me about his Conservative ideals…I’ll be waiting. Will I vote for him over Romney…if that is what it comes down to…Yes…Because Romney is Obama’s Siamese Twin.
if your definition of corrupt includes newt, it certainly includes perry, who while in office,
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:04PM EST (link)Took a lot of money from businesses that were at the same time getting free taxpayer funds undetermined the Tef program he pushed to create. Also, the Michael dell real estate deal looks terrible, even if it was just a coincidence the land he happened to buy greatly increased in value due to dells need for it. all this while in office. Newt took funds to consult a company whole he was a private citizen. That is a huge difference. If you think Newt is corrupt but excuse Perry, you are just a mindless shill. If you want to say they all have problems, fine, I agree, but its a hack tactic to so grossly apply double standards like you are doing.
farmer,
sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:13PM EST (link)Texas is doing really good right now, gas prices are low, taxes are low, houses going up in my suburban area are bought before they are even finished. Construction everywhere. Oil & Gas drilling at the ranch, and everywhere else for that matter. Times are good in Texas. I want to see the Texas model of pro-business pro-jobs model extrapolated out to the other 49 states. I want a leader that cultivates and promotes that ideology and the experience and record to back that up.
All of the negative things you speak of against Governor Perry ring hollow to me, because they have absolutely nothing to do with what is going on in Texas right now. Nothing. I hope you have a change of heart. If calling me a candibot, Perry shill, whatever, makes you and other naysayers feel better, I wear that label with pride. We’re doing good in Texas under the leadership of Governor Perry. God bless~
Did I miss where Perry got run out of office by his own party
Tbone (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:13PM EST (link)like Newt did?
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
getting run out of office by a squishy moderate delay run gop is a credit to gingrich
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:28PM EST (link)Do you prefer the post Newt house republicans and all their accomplishments?
Perry supporters need to stop misrepresenting newts record if they want Newt supporters to keep an open mind about Perry.
Is that $300,000.00 dollars of fines for ethics violations a badge of honor for Newt as well?
texastaxpayer (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:38PM EST (link)“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston
Democrats threw the kitchen sink at Newt
Freedoms Truth (Diary) Friday, January 6th at 2:45PM EST (link)This was the same bogus ethics complaint attack they used on Sarah Palin in Alaska.
It’s not a badge of honor, it was a combat medal. You and I got a smaller govt out of the battles newt fought.
Freedoms Truth,
Travis Monitor – http://travismonitor.blogspot.com
Austin, TX
I get that you support the guy, but dont be retarded...
texastaxpayer (Diary) Friday, January 6th at 8:41PM EST (link)Newt was wrong, he paid his fines and left congress after stepping down as speaker. That’s it. Acting like he was some kind of martyr is beyond ridiculous and if you don’t know that do some research. Really this stance of yours insults us both.
“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston
also, texas gop did try to run perry out if office, but chose too moderate of a challenger
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:30PM EST (link)Id take Perry over kbh.
Wrong, federal - that wasn't the Texas GOP. It was
pttx333 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:45PM EST (link)the Bushies (masterminded by Rove). KBH was popular here at one time, but now I don’t think she could win as dog catcher. Do you know the whole story of that last Governor’s election here? If you don’t, I will enlighten you. NONE of it had to do with running Perry out of the GOP. Let me know and I will get the true story for you – if you can handle it.
The truth always hurts, huh.
Those funds that Newt took from Freddie Mac
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:39PM EST (link)were taxpayer funds. He used his Speaker influence to peddle advice, which included not changing the business model at Freddie in 2007. That is on audio in the Freddie archives.
The VA Gov. has, and has had for a long time the same type of funds available in order to entice businesses to VA. It is not illegal. There has never been any proof tying any kind of pay to play type donations to Perry for attracting businesses to Texas. Instead, by those efforts the state is booming, businesses are moving to Texas in droves, and those businesses are providing tons of jobs.
You have one goal here farmer, and it is obvious to everyone, to smash and trash Perry.
you are ok with crony capitalism, noted
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:44PM EST (link)And fannie and Freddie did not receive taxpayer funds until recently. You don’t know what you are talking about.
Freddie was recieving tax dollars when they where paying the Newts $30,000.00 a month.... What did the tax payer get for their investment?
texastaxpayer (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:48PM EST (link):$
“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston
I think that is unfair to Newt.
gekster (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:58PM EST (link)F&F got taxpayer money, true.
They hired Newt, that is true also.
But saying it like Newt had a direct link into abscounding tax money is a stretch.
How F&F used the money is a concern, but Newt getting a paycheck from them is not.
And when you get a job, don’t you try to get the most money for the least effort.
I know it’s a rhetorical question, but can you see what I mean.
They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.
We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway
Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved
Perhaps......
texastaxpayer (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:38PM EST (link)But I don’t quite think his rational for attacking Perry is fair either. Whether its “fair” or not it is factual, so I would lile to hear how he justifies his response.
“Texas will again lift it’s head and stand among the nations. It ought to do so, for no country upon the globe can compare with it in natural advantages.” Sam Houston
farmer- Who do you think was paying
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:55PM EST (link)the extravagant slary and bonuses to Franklin Reines? The taxpayers. Who do you think is stuck with the legal bills when Reines was caught cooking the books? That’s right, the taxpayers. That was long before the Freddie and Fannie bailouts.
fannie and freddy were publicly owned companies
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:28PM EST (link)Until the bailout in July 2008. It’s money came from capital raised, earnings, and borrowing, like every public corporation.
You have no idea what you are talk about on this. The problem with Newt consulting fannie and freddy is that they shouldn’t exist, and his advice to them should be to close their doors. there is no corruption angle.
I thought newts consulting contracts ended before the bailout, but I could be mistaken. Regardless, its not corruption to consult as a private citizen. Corruption requires involvement of office holders. Is corrupt for conservatives to work for gm or Chrysler or must all those workers resign after their bailouts? What you are saying makes no sense.
farmer- You need to do some homework
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 3:03PM EST (link)on Freddie and Fannie. They were set up as Public/Private entities. They were taken over by the government in full when they had to be bailed out. Private investors invested money in the entities, in exchange for a return on their investments. The government backed the mortgages in the case of default. I believe Raines was found to have not accurately listed the number of sub-prime loans they had taken on, in which the amount of risk was to be controlled by the federal government. When the number of sub-prime loans far exceeded the acceptable risk factor, and the housing crash occured, that is when they were bailed out, and the government took them over.
After the Reines fiasco, there were efforts by Congress to limit the amount of salary that was acceptable for the executives. I believe there was no real controls put on the entities, as some in both parties didn’t take the risk seriously. Barney Frank testified that the entities were in healthy financial condition, at the same time that Gingrich was giving a speech at Freddie that there wasn’t any support of them changing their business model, which eventually proved to be false. With the housing crash, Freddie and Fannie were finally exposed as having far exceeded the risk factor they were to function on. Gingrich left Freddie and Fannie earlier in 2008, the same year that they crashed later in the year.
scope, you said fannie received federal funds before the bailout, thats clearly wrong
federalfarmer1 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 3:37PM EST (link)It’s an indisputable fact that they did not. They had an implicit loan guarantee, lettinthem borrow at low rates. That unstated guarantee was a huge risk to the government, of course, but the gov had no obligation to honor it, and could have forced the companies to liquidate instead, which they should have.
Your whole point was about showing newts consulting gig to be corrupt, and somehow it related to taxpayer money, but you are just wrong on this.
Newt actually opposed the bailouts for the companies. Newt rallied gop house members to oppose the bailout bush was pushing. Look it up. Newt deserves an accurate picture of his record from conservatibe, and confused smear jobs feed misinformed views like your own.
Pretty much every state have those programs
thirstyboots Thursday, January 5th at 1:07PM EST (link)It’s still socialism and should be fought by any conservative worth his or her salt. It’s a huge drag on the American economy and an unacceptable power grab by politicians.
Riiiiiight. You expect me to believe Newt will be the first Representative since Lincoln
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:17PM EST (link)to become President without first being a senator or VP. And also the first known adulterer.
You must have a LOT of faith in this guy! He must be really something! I’m guessing likeability? He knows how to work a room?
No… the opposite is true.
Okay… but he’s impeccably conservative and stands with his party against the Demonrats, right?
No… Pelosi couch and individual mandate in recent memory,
So… basically, you’re wasting everyone’s time and destroying the only chance we have to get Perry, the only small-government conservative in the race, to replace Obama.
What will it take to get people to THINK!?!?!?!
Another Option - Operation Chaos
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:19PM EST (link)It is possible some of the Gingrich people are liberals since it’s jaw-droppingly obvious that Newt is the least likely to beat Obama.
Gingrich is playing one key role right now
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:46PM EST (link)He is providing the position of useful idiot in going hard and heavy after Romney. If he can accomplish that I will be forever thankful that he has at least dented the Romney armour, after that he will most likely kill any presidential chances for himself. The old mean Newt, who made a habit of going after those on his own side, never endeared him to many in the party. He will marginalize himself, but I will thank him for stopping Romney.
GO Newt GO
texashistorian (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:52PM EST (link)And he is good at it, too. If Newt bends his considerable intellect to wrecking Romney, he will do a good job, and us a favor in the process. It will not benefit Newt so much, you are right, but it will help Perry, Huntsman, and Santorum,, two of those three I like for our nominee, one I could probably vote for without a lot of fuss. Either way, GO Newton GO
The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.
- Paul Johnson
correction
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:22PM EST (link)“without first becoming a senator or VP” or governor
Romney already won
thirstyboots Thursday, January 5th at 12:24PM EST (link)If you only look at poll toplines, you can buy the meme that he’s stuck at 25% (and that number will slowly start inching).
If you care enough to look at the internals, you’ll see that the idea that the other 60% (leaving out the Ron Paul 10%) will unite around Newt, Santorum, Perry or whoever is simply a myth.
Romney is the 2nd choice of enough people currently supporting Newt, Santorum and Perry to have the nomination wrapped up.
That’s why his last ad is solely about Obama and why he won’t pander to conservatives like he did four years ago. He’s already running for the general.
For now
texashistorian (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:58PM EST (link)but if you are honest, Thirstyboots, you will admit that Romney has gotten off relatively lightly so far in terms of challenges compared to the rest of the field. As it shrinks, Romney will come in for his long overdue share of negative attention, and the dynamic of him as a “safe second choice” may well change. People tat list Romney as a second choice do so, I believe, because while he is not exciting, offers an alternative that they can live with without much trouble. Once he gets hammered like Newt and Perry have, and like Santorum is about to be, I suspect that will change.
The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.
- Paul Johnson
I don't agree that Romney has already won.
morstar150 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:25PM EST (link)Conservatives are looking for their candidate. Each one is flawed in some way but each one is better than the alternative, Obama.
When one rises in the polls then he or she is attacaked by a media and both parties who believe that a moderate is the best choice. I believe that a conservative is the only choice. Romney is the least desireable of the lot (excluding Paul, whose foreign policy graffs make him unacceptable.)
RIck Santorum is the latest flavor. If he can withstand the scrutiny of the media (who has already to started to call him racist) then he can become the nominee.
Newt has shown that he is too terse to be the nominee, Huntsman has not impressed anyone and has gambled “all in” on NH a moderate state. He will not survive. Perry is done but just doesn’t recognize that he stopped breathing.
By the process of elimination we will have our candidate. At that time the conservative forces will rise up and demand that Obama is defeated. This is not a referrendum on the moderate republican, it never was.
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil, in its worst, an intolerable one. (Thomas Paine)
thirstyboots, you jest. Surely.
avagreen Thursday, January 5th at 2:59PM EST (link)Romney already won
Why don’t we just stop all the election process right now?
Really?
As I’ve written before, about this time in 2008 if we were to believe in polls and such, we would be blaming President Clinton for our failed economy.
Just one example:
Clinton has been the national front-runner, but tracking polls had shown Obama surging ahead in New Hampshire after his victory in the Iowa caucuses last week.
But, she then won New Hampshire.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22551718/ns/politics-decision_08/t/stunner-nh-clinton-defeats-obama/#.TwYAmPIZ-dk
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
Gov. Perry's should speak out
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 11:12AM EST (link)against Obama’s current call to cut our military forces by 47,000, and he said even possibly more. This comes at a time when China is building their military forces up by huge numbers.
Gov. Perry has been the strongest voice for our military members, and has a majority of support from out Veterans, of which 400,000 live in SC. Perry would do very well to address this issue in SC, and I bet he will.
Some in the tea party are against Perry check out this "voting" guide that came out
1bunny Thursday, January 5th at 11:15AM EST (link)just before the IA elections. I didn’t open this email until yesterday and I was so disgusted. The “guide” misrepresents Perry – says he is for gay marriage and to back it up they link to an article proclaiming he is fine with NY’s change to allow gay marriage, says he is for amnest to illegals and again links to an article. In fact everything they have in this guide is just link to hit pieces in the media, You Tube etc. This was compiled by Southern NH 9.12 Project, The Greater Nashua Tea Party, and the NH 9.12 Liberty Action Team and distributed by American Grassroots Coalition via email with a letter by Amy Kremer
http://www.americangrassrootscoalition.org/presidential-politics/voterguide/
you should forward that to
irishgirl Thursday, January 5th at 11:42AM EST (link)his campaign.
I just sent the link
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:12PM EST (link)to the Perry team via email on Perry’s website. There is an email provided to someone at this organization where you can send corrections.
Ken@SouthernNH912.com
Perhaps someone will want to reply to Ken.
wow
sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:18PM EST (link)further proof that the establishment is scared to death of a Rick Perry Presidency. And yet the Tea Party is alleged to be rallying around a Rick Santorum candidacy, big government spender. Tea Party is irrelevant in this election cycle.
mixed up my thoughts
sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:21PM EST (link)should have read, not only the establishment AND some Tea Party factions, are scared of Rick Perry. He wants to take a wrecking ball to the whole system. Which I thought was one of the pillars in the Tea Party movement, changing the way things are done. Yet they go after Perry, the only one with executive leadership and great track record of balancing budgets. Makes no sense.
The only person to get perfect scores on this voters guide
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:55PM EST (link)is Ron Paul. I read through much of it, and they slam Perry for stupid crap like that he supports halal laws, but say nary a negative word about Paul.
This is why I will never support the Tea Party movement, in it’s current makeup. The Ron Paul people have taken it over.
I gave up on the Tea Party
flgal208 Thursday, January 5th at 1:36PM EST (link)when they started endorsing Newt. Now they swing behind Santorum???? The LEAST qualified candidate of all?! And a big gov guy? But, all of that aside, it goes to what has he done lately? And that’s my question to each candidate. What have you done in the last three years? What have you accomplished that created jobs? Rolled back regulations? What budget have you passed?
I am SICK about hearing what someone did 10, 15, 20 years ago!! Things were better then. It’s what going on NOW—who;s fighting NOW? Who has a record NOW?? And unfortunately Michelle talked a good game, but she didn’t accomplish anything—a tea party caucus with no clout, is just a shell…and if she backs Romney or Santorum, then it’s gone and so is the US.
flgal- From what I understand
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 2:04PM EST (link)The House Tea Party caucus fell apart right after Bachmann started running for the presidency, as she spent little to no time in Washington while she was on the campaign trail. I’m not sure what they accomplished even when she was there.
I gave up on the Tea Party leadership pretty much as they popped up.
acat (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 4:55PM EST (link)A distributed, self-organizing system has no leadership.
It follows that any node (or person) who claims to be a leader is in error and should be routed around.
Unfortunately, this goes right over the heads of too many….
Mew
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Caveat Suffragator
This voter guide makes me sick.
cheetah2 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 4:37PM EST (link)Almost the first thing it tells about Perry is that he supported a binational health care plan and it presents that as evidence that Perry is weak on strict interpretation of the constitution.
This attack on Perry was discredited long ago. What he allowed was a study on the feasibility of allowing private insurance groups to cover individuals across the Mexican border. (for example, allowing private insurance coverage benefits from US companies for family members of their legal Mexican employees.) It was a fine idea not involving any govt. programs and was a study only- nothing was ever implemented as a result of it.
This is so discouraging to see that such garbage is out there. Anyone can produce something like this and fill it with any disinformation they choose, and people have so little discernment they just believe it without checking it out.
I’m a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order, just like Mike Pence.
@cheetah222
Thanks For The Link...I hope I can respond
carolynr Thursday, January 5th at 11:25AM EST (link)This is where the TPM loses creditability…but I will say this…I get a lot of e-mail from many of these groups and they are pushing Gingrich and Paul.
My answer…NO MONEY.
I’ll put this Live Free Or Die back in their faces. They want to freedom…then get Washington DC out of our lives…it is just that plain.
I think Perry needs to go one-on-one with Santorum
sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:01PM EST (link)in debate. And do it with a smile.
“You Got a Name? You Got a Name?” lol
expect Romney to take care of that for us
circlegranch Thursday, January 5th at 7:37PM EST (link)Mitt’s showing Tues was not at all what he planned on and all the buzz now about Santorum will draw the ire and attack of Mitt’s PAC’s. He leveled Newt in short order. He’ll do the same with Rick Santorum. The brass ring is within reach so there’ll be no let up now.
Perry should let Mitt, Rick S. and Newt bloody each other up, while he stays on message and punching at Obama. He needs to be really bold and adamant about his record and what he will do. I’d like to see him come out with an actual plan in writing for the first 50-100 days in office. Something solid and not just talk.
We also need to blast his prominent supporters with emails asking them to get engaged in a really big way in SC and also on cable TV. Jindahl, Forbes, other GOP governors, et al, need to take on Hannity and O’Reilly and defend Perry. They need to call into talk radio shows and be very formative about Perry’s policies and strong record. Let’s fire up! We can be the surrogate Communication Team.
Rick Perry
President 2012
We have a country to save
PERRY SHOULD COME BACK AND FIGHT
jadegiles25 Thursday, January 5th at 12:21PM EST (link)AMERICA cannot afford to have a wrong candidate for pres. either romeny-santorum and gignrich even ron paul-perry a small government and creat job(his stae)a job creator) he has a leadership-ability- he soen of us working class people and-average and poor and others.hes a genuine guy; a tiger year born. astrological sign tiger;bring luck to this country. hllywood actors and former pres, share his birthyear sogn; tom cruz and leonardo dcarpio and dweight iesenhower-these people was born asa tiger(their zodiac sign) leadership and genine; why american iowan hard to udnerstand that perry is the one- they already scsweed up choosign romeny by just 8 bvotes. jes su chrsit. pls mccain senile endorse roemny no miliary background?ONLY PERRY HAS A MILITARY BACKGROUND; ROMENY IS A DDRAFT DODGER WHO RAN TO FANCE- SANTPRUM ANOTHER ONE WHOA VOIDED MILITARY AND GINGRICH TOO ONLY PERRY SERVE MILIATRY SERVICE. MCCAIN A CBRAINLESS? [ERRY HAS A LEQADERSHI SKILLS-SELL HIS BIOGRAPHY A SA FRAMER TENANT-VETERAN AND JOB CREATOR.
Yes, we must have someone who is an astrological tiger to be president.
Ann_W (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 12:36PM EST (link)It’s all so clear to me now.
“One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.”
— Milton Friedman
The War on Poverty– forty-six years and counting!
Rick Perry is done.
morstar150 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 1:08PM EST (link)End of story. No arguments can make this fact change. He is not the right person for this job.
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil, in its worst, an intolerable one. (Thomas Paine)
Perry is NOT done
lakeshore Thursday, January 5th at 1:15PM EST (link)…and even if he was, your next thought, “he is not the right person for this job” needs to be explained. What do you mean? Then, who is?
Oh..He's The Right Person For The Job....the
carolynr Thursday, January 5th at 5:59PM EST (link)American public talks a big whine…but when it comes down to having to get DC out of their lives…they are scared…and why…because we are becoming a nanny state…and that is followed by a dictatorship. this is Webster’s Definition of Fascism
a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation and forcible suppression of opposition……
Folks…WE’RE ALMOST THERE…GO READ IT AGAIN.
America should have a leader that fears God
salj Thursday, January 5th at 1:45PM EST (link)to be great again.Ron Paul disagrees with God’s word concerning Israel and the gay lifestyle.Mormons don’t believe that is wrong to add to God’s word.Rick Santorum wants to force people to live morally.Conservative values are more important than Christian values to Michele Bachmann.In-state tuition for illegals may not be conservative but it’s not unchristian.Many claim they are Christian Conservatives but their conservative values are more important to them then their Christian values.Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kigdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin,and will heal their land.
yes, Santorum, fueled by Vander Plaats, is running on morality
circlegranch Thursday, January 5th at 7:20PM EST (link)I thought this one was about jobs and cutting spending. After the military cuts announced today, its also going to be about national security come November. Iraq is on the brink of civil war; ripe for the picking and since nobody is minding the store now, its not hard to figure out what will happen.
The next president is going to have so much policy unwinding to do and trying to get the bunch of RINO’s in the House and Senate to stand up for conservatism and do their jobs, there won’t be much time for him to dictate the Catholic mandate on birth control into every American household. Holier than thou usually has a short shelf life before others of faith get weary of it.
It behooves us to remember that Clinton lost IA
1bunny Thursday, January 5th at 4:49PM EST (link)and NH. Not that Clinton is wonderful but it should give people pause in calling for Perry to quit that you don’t have to win the first 2 or win all but one like Reagan to be the Republican nominee. Perry can still win so there is no need for people to give up on him.
Does anyone else think for Perry Silence is the calm before the
center77 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 4:52PM EST (link)That we will see a revampand hopefully contrast with the big government Republicans in the race.
My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.
http://www.timothy-bladel.com/
I’m a proud supporter of Rick Perry. God Bless everyone.
“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewll adress (January 11, 1989)
He tweeted today in response to the Defense presser
texashistorian (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 4:58PM EST (link)where big cuts to the defense budget were announced. The tweet was to a link to a pro-military article. He is still alive and working.
Let’s give him a day or two to rest here- the man is 61, after all, and just went through the grinder that is Iowa. He’ll get a good nap, a good snack, then come out firing in SC.
It may be too, as Erick is suggesting should happen, that there are few campaign staff moves going in the downtime, and that could explain why the campaign is not super noisy right now.
The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false.
- Paul Johnson
My thoughts exactly, Paul Johnson
avagreen Thursday, January 5th at 5:31PM EST (link)Especially the one about some possible reorganization going on.
And, the part about his needing a rest…he’s been carrying a heavier load than any of the other candidates with being an active Governor (I’m sure there are some bills that need to be signed, or vetoed), the wildfires and associated tasks, back surgery, etc.
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
Agreed texashistorian
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 5:43PM EST (link)Although I have a bone to pick in reference to his needing some rest because he is 61. Hey, there are plenty of 61 year olds that have more energy than some of the twenty something’s that are couch potatoes. LOL
When he said he was going back to Texas to reassess, he meant he was going back to Texas to reassess, meaning the running, the focus, the staff, the messaging and the ground game of his entire campaign, I am sure. I have the funny feeling that he will in fact come out swinging in every way possible to get his campaign kicked up a few notches. He knows that he has to do well in SC, and I am confident he will not disappoint.
I do not begrudge him the few days back home getting everything in order to win this thing. Didn’t Anita say that when he is down is when he does his very best? Hasn’t he proven in his Texas elections that he has been down and came back with a strong win? I am counting on it.
I think Perry is like a lot of people I know...
louisianapatriette (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 7:07PM EST (link)including myself…when he’s tired he’s just not on top of his ball game. I’m glad he’s resting up after those excruciating days in Iowa. He needs all his wits and physical energy about him this weekend during those debates!
(And I won’t get to watch the debates
Guests on Saturday night and church on Sunday morning. You guys and gals will have to bring me up to speed when I get home Sunday afternoon!)
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill
@ChangeForPerry
Exactly the quality I want a President to have! (nt)
znjs (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 7:33PM EST (link)nt
no
bdirks Thursday, January 5th at 5:00PM EST (link)It’s more like:
“First, I’m gonna say I am reassessing. Then I’m gonna say I am staying in. And third, um, the third is… I can’t tell you. Oops.”
bdirks....Did anyone ever tell you?
Spazzinout Thursday, January 5th at 5:19PM EST (link)That you are a first-class prick?
Spazzinout That's a strong high 5's
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 5:50PM EST (link)Thank you for calling a spade a spade. This creep reminds me of a spreader of STD’s.
What part of reassessing do you find so hard to understand
center77 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 5:53PM EST (link)I’m like gosh, this guy has a hard time understanding what it means to gather ones thoughts and moving in. So many did not want him to drop out. He did not come that far behind Newt, Perry should of stayed in and fought for what he felt was right. Now is not the time to be faint hearted.
My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.
http://www.timothy-bladel.com/
I’m a proud supporter of Rick Perry. God Bless everyone.
“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewll adress (January 11, 1989)
Center- Perry never dropped out
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 6:35PM EST (link)He has always “stayed in” and as you say just needed to reassess his game plan.
Found this on HA fm poster "Rapunzel", thought it was good for future Perry supporters to know
sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 5:21PM EST (link)“Someone posted this on the SC For Perry Facebook Page:
]When the 25 MILLION residents of Texas asked for JOBS: Gov Perry delivered right to work, less regulations and lower taxes .
When the 25 Million residents of Texas asked for more affordable HC: Gov Perry delivered Tort Reform
When the 25 Million residents of Texas asked for voter Integrity: Gov Perry delivered Voter ID
When the 25 Million residents of Texas asked for lower Taxes: Gov Perry delivered a balanced budget, cut government waste and gave them a surplus .
When the 25 Million residents of Texas asked for lower energy costs : Gov Perry delivered
When the 25 Million residents said they HATED the light bulb mandate : Gov Perry got “shove that light bulb ban passed .
When the 25 Million residents of Texas asked to defund Planned Parenthood : Gov Perry delivered
When the 25 Million residents of Texas asked for more property rights : Gov Perry delivered a stronger eminent domain law.
When the Million residents of Texas asked for lower costs values in education : Gov Perry delivered
When the Million residents asked for stronger law enforcement : Gov Perry delivered , Judicial reforms , law enforcement reforms, abolish sanctuary cities , more funding for border security, (the federal obligation)
When the 25 Million residents of Texas faced hurricanes, droughts, fires, floods : Gov Perry delivered the assistance they needed .
When the Federal Gov’ment failed to deliver : Gov Perry delivered all that he could legally deliver under States Rights . ~ ~ The state of the state of Texas is working ~ ~”
Thanks, sunshinek67, that was super good. nt
westcoastpatriette (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 5:32PM EST (link)Love Perry.
Man Sunshine they need to put that in an ad...
romansdaughter Thursday, January 5th at 5:38PM EST (link)and start flashing that all over the TV stations. It just seems incomprehensible to me that people actually think that another candidate could do a better job about getting this country back to work etc. That was wonderful!
“I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn’t,than live my life as if there isn’t and die to find out there is.” Albert Camus
“Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.” Alexander Hamilton
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill
” He is no fool, who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.” Jim Elliot
Great post, sunshine.
avagreen Thursday, January 5th at 5:33PM EST (link)Glad someone in SC is awake and on the job.
PERRY 2012!!
Rick Perry STILL! doesn’t have or need blood. He is filled with magma.
Rick Perry uses his bare hands to hunt.
Countdown Until Obama Leaves Office.
Thanks sunshine
Scope (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 5:55PM EST (link)Agree this should be made into an ad to run all over the airwaves in SC, and then carried across the nation.
Very nice Perry Information
bzip Thursday, January 5th at 6:02PM EST (link)Excellent, this is what we need and more of it. I have copied this to use when needed much like the other arguments I have and post from time to time., Spread the good word around make sure Perry is represented for all the good things he has done.
Excellent, Go Perry 2012
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Thanks for the encouragement sunshine67.
conservativemusician Thursday, January 5th at 6:24PM EST (link)Looking over at Hot Gas and some of the other blogs today, it has been depressing to say the least – especially over at Hot Gas – so your post was very timely and welcome. It is pretty tough sledding for Perry right now as many are saying that he should have dropped out yesterday.
Not sure now if Perry has enough time to persuade people to give him a second look because his unfavorables are so high, but as we have seen in IA, anything can happen. As we have also seen in recent weeks, he is great in one-on-one formats and on the stump, but so many opinions now seem to have hardened against him. I just hope that it is not too late for people to change their first impressions based on his debate performances and verbal gaffes. He is a competent governor, conservative, and patriot with a great record, so I also hope that he will be able to hang around long enough for other like-minded conservatives in the later primaries to cast their votes for him.
May God bless the Perry family during this time as he prepares for SC and, hopefully, beyond. To the end…
Perry 2012
Kowalski - Sorry, but hit the wrong reply to button.
conservativemusician Thursday, January 5th at 6:27PM EST (link)It was meant for sunshine67.
Oh, don't be discouraged by anything at HotGas, 'musician
louisianapatriette (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 6:56PM EST (link)I go there only to combat the anti-Perry nonsense and I don’t do it very often, just because the atmosphere is so dark there. With a few exceptions, the people there are nasty, coarse, and use a lot of bad language. They are some of the worst candidate-speed-daters I’ve ever had the misfortune to read; they’ve gone to every single candidate from Bachmann to Perry to Cain to Gingrich and NOW to Santorum. And if the articles are written by Allahpundit…well, just ignore them. He hates Perry and I can’t figure out who he likes (probably Romney). HotGas was once run by Michele Malkin, I’ve heard, so that explains a lot.
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill
@ChangeForPerry
I post over on Hot Gas every now and then...
conservativemusician Thursday, January 5th at 8:13PM EST (link)And it really is like swimming upstream with all the hatin’ on Perry. It is ironic, though, that the day before the caucii, their online survey went for Perry. Maybe this is a harbinger of things to come, in spite of the IA results. And yes, Michelle Malkin ran it before Morrissey took over.
RedState is by far the most consistently conservative site there is, so I always feel like I’m with friends here. Thanks for your encouragement.
God bless,
CM
WHOA! HotGas' survey went to PERRY?!
louisianapatriette (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 8:56PM EST (link)Can you provide a link for that, ‘musician? I can’t seem to find it on their front page, but I’m looking around.
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill
@ChangeForPerry
Did Perry's stance against ethanol subsidies hurt in IA?
circlegranch Thursday, January 5th at 7:03PM EST (link)according to an email rec’d from The Rick Perry Report, it seems Perry’s firm conviction and unwillingness to pander for votes from corn farmers might have put him in 5th place.
Perry doesn’t support subsidizes for ANY energy sources and he ain’t backin’ down because he speaks the truth which some prefer to ignore: WE CAN’T AFFORD TO SUBSIDIZE ENERGY–or any other private industry, for that matter. WE ARE BROKE.
If the paid lobbyists for the corn growers industry cost Perry a big win in IA, then so be it. (There is alot of political clout in IA for farm subsidies and our Secy of Agriculture hails from IA, so do the math.) Those were boots Rick Perry wore to Iowa, not flip flops.
Farmers can get mad all they want but they are sending 4-5 of every 10 ears of corn into gas tanks. Food prices are skyrocketing and their neighbors in the livestock business are being forced out of production. Taxpayers that have funded the subsidies aren’t too happy about being forced to run an ethanol blend through their engines. Gas mileage is less and the emissions are worse for our air than 100% gas. It takes enormous amounts of water to produce ethanol and its expensive, difficult and highly dangerous to transport. For the record, Perry doesn’t support subsidies for wind, solar and other sources of power. He supports allowing the private sector to innovate and develop because he knows they do the best job at it.
If Iowan farmers that took a pass on the one farmer in this race, the one man that understands not just their livelihood but also that very difficult and unpopular decisions must be made ASAP or America will not survive, then maybe they won’t mind when massive EPA regulations continue to stifle and shut down their operations..
When we borrow money to fund their subsidies, its their kids and grand kids getting stuck with the bill too. At some point, when does rational, patriotic and practical thinking kick in? That always sounds good when its somebody else that is going to get cut and has to sacrifice. Young families struggling to buy this high priced gas/ethanol which they pay taxes to insure against risk plus pay much higher prices for food should have a say in this too. Rick Perry endeavors to get this country going again, not just certain sectors.
Maybe if every single facet of American society decides they’ll do their part too to make sure we get back on solid financial footing, we just might be able save this ol’ Union afterall.
Rick Perry
President 2012
Newt pd $600k by ethanol company; Romney, Santorum, Obama all support subsidies
circlegranch Friday, January 6th at 9:06PM EST (link)Again the question, what part did Rick Perry’s CONSISTENT oppostion to ethanol subsidies play in the outcome of the Iowa caucus? Perhaps the better question to ask, is what part did the support Gingrich, Romney and Santorum (and Obama) all have for ethanol subsidies play in THEIR outcomes?
Reported at www.teapartyatperrysburg.blogspot.com/2011/12/gingrich-drew-600000-from-ethanol.html, Newt collected in the neighborhood of $600,000 from an ethanol company called “Energy Growth”. According to the post, he was supposedly paid to offer advice, strategy and communications. This same website links to an article of Jan. 30, 2011, at Wall Street Journal online, entitled “Professor Cornpone”. (the address bar for this is a mile long so not provided here but can be obtained via web search).
As we may remember, when Tim Pawlenty got into the race, he was plainspoken about his disagreement with ethanol subsidies. Apparently, seeing the need to draw a parallel between himself and Pawlenty, Mitt Romney took the opposing view. On May 27, 2011, Romney spoke with ABC News’ Z. Byron Wolf on the subject. Romney was quoted: “I support the subsidy of ethanol. I believe its an important part of our energy solution in this country.” By Oct. 21, 2011, on a campaign visit to Iowa, Romney was asked about it again. His campaign spokesperson, Eric Ferhnstrom, told Huffington Post reporter, Sam Stein, that Romney had changed his position to be that he supports ethanol subsidies BUT doesn’t believe they should be permanent. (Huffington Post article, “Romney Refines Position on Ethanol.”)
Heading into the Iowa caucus, it’s reported at The Gateway Pundit on 1/6/12, “Ethanol Group Sent Out Fliers Supporting Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney Before IA Caucus” (www.gatewaypundit.com) A pro-ethanol organization created the full color flier which can be viewed at Gateway Pundit. It included a chart of the presidential candidates, including Obama. The chart indicated which candidates support ethanol subsidies and which do not. Those in support were listed as: Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum. The candidates that were listed as not supporting were: Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul.
I'm gonna use these on Twitter, sunshine!
louisianapatriette (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 6:52PM EST (link)Thank you! (*hugs*)
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill
@ChangeForPerry
Twitter is full of Perry supporters, so glad
sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 7:22PM EST (link)I set up an account to catch the feed
This Is Great Sunshine...I just posted it on the Hill
carolynr Thursday, January 5th at 7:19PM EST (link)referenced our RedState.com. Perry should use this everywhere….this is the proof…and as I have said…I have seen it with my own eyes.
yes!
sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 7:29PM EST (link)Imagine 15 years back, no social networking, no blogging, we would be hard pressed to organize and find each other to get the message out there…back then relying on CNN or the prime networks for the news, their way of course.
Rush Limbaugh said Perry is the last hope for less government/less government conservatism. Off subject, from the chatter I am hearing today, the vetting of Rick Santorum is not going well. Apparently he has a foot in mouth problem, and perhaps a tinge of arrogance. He won’t bode well in the South lol.
should have said less government spending
sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 7:31PM EST (link)ah, the three year old needs attention, clinging haha. I’ll catch up with everyone later.
Yes, westcoast, 'daughter, ava...there are some avid supporters
sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 5:50PM EST (link)out there for Governor Perry. “Just stating the facts ma’am” lol
Scope, zip & musician inspiring is good for all
sunshinek67 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 6:36PM EST (link)I received my Rick Perry for President t-shirt in the mail today. Our cup is 1/2 full #rickperryposse…..onward to South Carolina lol.
This just in my email from Team Perry
center77 (Diary) Thursday, January 5th at 7:03PM EST (link)Dear Friend and Supporter,
Our South Carolina Chairman Katon Dawson had this to say about the race, “South Carolina is not going to let Iowa pick the nominee!” I couldn’t agree more. I plan on winning South Carolina but I need your help to do that. Will you please take a moment and make a donation?
When I got into this race I knew it wasn’t going to be easy but our country is heading in the wrong direction and someone needed to put her back on track. Reckless spending by Washington insiders is bankrupting our country and saddling future generations of Americans with unnecessary debt. While my opponents share Barack Obama’s love for Big Government policies, I have reduced government and balanced six budgets in Texas.
This race is incredibly fluid and let’s make no mistake about it: I am the only conservative in the race. With your help we will win South Carolina and take a giant step towards sending President Obama back to Chicago. Will you please make a donation and help us reach our $250,000 online goal?
Your support is greatly appreciated,
Rick Perry
P.S. Let’s prove the liberal media wrong. We are in this to win and need your help to do so. Please click here to donate.
My name is Timothy Bladel. I’m from Davenport, Iowa. I am a Undergraduate, Double Majoring in Journalism & Mass communication, with my other major being political science. I am conservative in nature, sometimes a tad bit libertarian; the Tenth Amendment is vital to changing this country for the better.
http://www.timothy-bladel.com/
I’m a proud supporter of Rick Perry. God Bless everyone.
“We the people” tell the government what to do, it doesn’t tell us. We the people are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast.” Ronald Reagan’s farewll adress (January 11, 1989)
Rick Perry is still my candidate.....
kegan05 Friday, January 6th at 12:27AM EST (link)I have a very strong confidence and faith that Rick Perry is the man to turn this country around. He may not be the most eloquent person in the world, but we already have one in the White House who is destroying this country, usurping the Constitution and thumbing his nose at Congress. Comrade Obozo is a total disaster!
Rick Perry will work day and night to cut the size of our bloated government, seal our Southern border so we can assimilate the millions of illegals already here, start a solid energy program to utilize our own natural resources and unleash small business owners from onerous regulations that have killed the creation of jobs in this country. There is so much to do and Rick Perry has 11 years experience in getting the job done. I am praying for his success because our country is in deep trouble and we need this man at the helm.
Perry for President – 2012 A REAL Commander in Chief and a REAL Leader who knows how to bring this country back to greatness and prosperity. Go Rick!
Good analysis, Can team turn around
celador2 Friday, January 6th at 11:45AM EST (link)This report names names and for that I admire its secificity. Perry is the one standing best qualified to be president. His jobs creation credentials from a stand point of lower taxes and energy exploration and growth give hope for a new frontier across the land!
Limited federal government means more authority locally and more free market opportunities instead of bureacracies and panels from afar in our lives.
The report offers concrete changes but no named replacement for the staff Erick would fire. Maybe the team can reboot and refocus by adding JOBS, energy , states and private sector solutions to the Perry message that has done well. Such an economic alernative to Solyndra cronyism and EPA would be refreshing. A contrast.
cel
We Have Got To Get Romney Out of Here
carolynr Friday, January 6th at 9:26PM EST (link)This guy will spend our money like there is no tomorrow.