I wrote Mckeon 4 hours ago and re-requested he vote no this morning. Not likely he will change his vote for Boehnor, but he has made me aware I must do more.

I become a registered republican this week and will read all the material cold warrior has published.

Onward, we are a strong nation still asleep.

Kentucky’s Second District ‘fraidy cat’ is a vote for the latest crap sandwich. I am afraid I can do no more to dissuade his support for the latest giveaway.

However, we are searching now for a primary opponent. Wish us luck.

Remember TARP? Remember the sky falling? Is any of this familiar?

with this article.

i just don’t think the republicans understand how truly mad their base is over this whole fiasco. i predict that we are going to see an amazing amount of GOP congressmen primaried by conservatives/tea partiers next year.

given that we were going to sign off by August 1st no matter what and the other side was willing to ride it out however long it took to get 90% of what they wanted.

And the GOP continues to fall for the play acting. Nancy Pelosi and others on the left are acting like no progressive (i.e. 90% of the Dem caucus) could support this massive giveaway to the rich, so Boehner will “need” to work hard to get Democratic “help” in doing his job and passing this bill.

Oh please! The Dems are gleeful that this bill means they won’t have to cast any votes of consequence in an election year. It locks in the $3.5T of 2011 and 2012 year end Bush tax cut expirations – the Senate is guaranteed not to consider any extensions, because it will violate this agreement. Then during the campaign we’ll hear “We didn’t vote for tax hikes. We just voted to keep the agreement the greatest President of all time negotiated to save us from the Armageddon the GOP was pushing us toward.”

And the BBA vote is another joke. All the all these people like McCaskill, Tester, Manchin, the Nelsons, Casey, etc. who are in danger can vote for it and say, “Don’t blame me voters. I voted for it. It’s those liberal Senators’ fault – not me the centrist.” Again, they get the best of both worlds.

So we’ve taken major campaign issues off the table for 2012 in exchange for some token fake cuts – except maybe to defense.

Senate Ds: Kerry, Sanders, Gillibrand
or Harkin, Whitehouse, Sh. Brown

Senate Rs: Lugar, Collins, Sc. Brown
or Grassley, Snowe, Murkowski

House Ds: G. Miller, S. Jackson Lee, J. Nadler
or J. Conyers, L. Sanchez, K. Ellison

House Rs: W. Jones, J. Gerlach, M. Bono
or C. Smith, I. Ros-Lehtinen, T. Johnson

The balance probably won’t be that far off from the above. Wouldn’t want any of those hard-line right-wing members since we know they are not open-minded.

a cave in to me. Too many if ands and buts, with nothing mandatory for future politicians to adhere to. A no vote is the best route for this so called deal.

As I said last evening in a different post, ultimately all federal expenditures are paid with tax dollars, they are reciprocal, so right off the bat the GOP in agreeing to this multi-trillion dollar increase in the debt ceiling has signed-on to a multi-trillion dollar tax increase. Period.

acts like a fool, sounds like a fool, maybe it’s a duck?

It is hard to believe we fell for it again. Borrow and spend, tax and spend, again and again, never ends! Surely POTUS and the Congress is counting on (and already spending) the pot of gold they are going to find at the end of the rainbow. I submit that finding that pot of gold is more likely than the real long-shot, meaningful and actual spending cuts.

I hated the heck out of Friday’s deal, but even it was better than this.
I do firmly believe with Crap Sandwich, The Sequel, the following will happen:
1. Tea Party members and freshman who follow the 2010 mandate will NOT vote for this. They should not. Neither should anyone else with any amount of common sense.
2. The GOP has ensured it will split into two parties.
3. A Split Right will ensure a Dem victory in 2012 as there is no way to stand on principle and vote for this debacle. No way.

GOP leaders will be to blame either way. And if we lose in 2012 we will NOT get it back, not for a long, long time. The Empire will take over, the deathstar will be engaged and us little band of rebel scum will be relegated to outter rim. Nice going, Boehner.

You have got to stop usint the langauge of defeatism Erik. These guys know what thy’re doing. They are educated, calculating, self-perpetuating wanna-be oligarchs; they are anything but fools.

We will never win if we continue to fight their fight; call a spade a spade and let everyone know that we see them as they truly are.

Throughout this process I have been afraid, yet certain, that just this type of garbage would be the final outcome. We do so desparately need leaders who know how to fight and who aren’t afraid to face down the progressive statists when they begin making their threats and predicting the end of the world for any reasonable action.

What is even more frustrating is watching so many of our so called ‘conservative’ pundits and leaders fall for this garbage time and time again!. When the D’s were supposedly marching off a cliff by ramming health care through on a strictly party line vote no one on their side was advising them to go slower or hold up or that they could not or should not be so agressive. I have read so much here and on other ‘conservative’ sites about how we just couldnt’ get a better deal, that we don’t control enough of the government, that we will get blamed when the sky falls, etc. Talk about deja vou. Watch now how we get blamed anyway for all the bad that occurs.

The stakes are so high and the survival of our way of life is on the line and so few are willing to fight.

This entire charade is nothing more than a high states kubuki dance played out by some of the most vile, greedy, power hungry criminals ever known to man. They went through the usual thrust and parry routine based on a manufatured “crisis” by the Kenyan and his top financial gangster, Little Timmy only to reach the predetermined result of a GOP cave.
Primarying will have little effect as the next bunch will, as the current tea partiers have done, sell out to achieve power and millionare status.
By extending borrowing authority through 2012, they gave the Kenyan his most desired crown jewel and, with the field of weak, timid and ohterwise flawed GOP challengers, quite probably assured his reelection and the whats left of our Republic,
Wouldn’t trust any of them any further than I could throw them…the cancer within the Beltway is completely uncurable.
Bernie Madoff probably wakes up every morning in prison wondering why he didn’t play it smart and commit his crimes under the protection of elected office.

…was removing over 10 million people from the income tax rolls. That’s over 10 million people that no longer care what the tax rates are and are not politically guided by that issue.

While I don’t want any of the Bush tax cuts to expire (have you SEEN the GDP numbers? [and I think it is even money that 2Q GDP will be revised downward to a negative number]), if they do, they ALL should expire.

As Obama says, everyone should have “skin in the game.”

Well, as Reagan would say, here we are. I am not sure that we would ever get a clean deal with anyone. This is a false vision. One must approach, hopefully, that the dialog has changed and at least there can be an approach in increasing the number of tax payers. It does seem to me that the camouflage has come off the ultimate aims of the socialist President. And more importantly, a potential “balanced budget amendment” will provide future solutions to this issue.

member who ran on changing Washington in 2010 can vote for it without looking like a total hypocrite and liar.

I will contact my Rep., although I doubt he will listen. His arms are hurting from carrying Boehner’s water for him.

At the end of the White House “fact sheet” issued Sunday night I found this statement:

“The Enforcement Mechanism Complements the Forcing Event Already In Law – the Expiration of the Bush Tax Cuts – To Create Pressure for a Balanced Deal: The Bush tax cuts expire as of 1/1/2013, the same date that the spending sequester would go into effect. These two events together will force balanced deficit reduction. Absent a balanced deal, it would enable the President to use his veto pen to ensure nearly $1 trillion in additional deficit reduction by not extending the high-income tax cuts.”

IOW, if the commission doesn’t provide a “balanced deal” (tax increases) the president will prevent the Bush tax cuts from being extended. The $1 trillion tax hike would actually be larger since Obama can’t use a line item veto to strike only “high-income tax cuts” as is implied in the statement above.

The GOP needs to present a bill to extend the Bush tax cuts to March 1, 2013 so that the next president gets to decide whether to saddle the economy with higher taxes.

Once it became a bipartisan super commission with great power — because how can the Congress allow defense cuts and cuts to medicare providers — then the Dems had all the cards. Conservatives, and Americans, were sold down the river.

This is what you get when you use fear to sell last-minute legislation to the public. Most of the public does not know what is going on, just that the world as they know it is supposed to end on Tuesday, when the media countdown reaches.

It appears that Boehner is prepared to lose 60-90 votes on the right. That would mean that he is forging ahead with a deal that he knows is anathema TO THE VERY PEOPLE WHO PUT HIM IN POWER IN THE FIRST PLACE. He must be listening to John McCain. This is a serious miscalculation by the entrenched House leadership. It’s time to CLEAN HOUSE.

It seems to me that any acceptable Republican candidate must pledge that Boehner must be replaced – I will not vote for my incumbent (or work for her, or donate to her) if she plans to re-elect Boehner as Speaker (assuming, of course, that the GOP retains the House, which is a significant uncertainty after this debacle). Unfortunately, after making promises promises promises (like killing Obamacare, for instance), she has become a reliable rubber stamp for the leadership, so I’m not very hopeful that she’ll all-of-a-sudden grow a backbone.

If the GOP won the House and nothing changes, did the GOP really win anything?

Please help us change this deal, even a little. It would be better to go down in flames now than to give up on your prime beliefs and on We the People.

If you do change the deal, it will have to go back to the Senate. If they change it, it will have to come back to you, etc. Time has not run out.

KenC

go write my Republican representatives and remind them that every penny confiscated from tax increases comes straight out of the considerable donations they receive from me.

Which means by the time the commission finishes stripping deductions, letting the cuts expire, and probably adding on some success penalty tax for good measure, the RNC is going to owe me money.

I’m not ready yet for the House Republicans to throw in the towel.

The government is composed of co-equal parts. No single part has to ever give up what is believes.

Basically it boils down to this. The branch of government with the biggest balls wins. If you know you are right and they are wrong, you simply don’t yield. Period.

If the House can hold on for some additional demands, it MUST win. The downside will be if voters in a particular district don’t think their representative did the right thing, they will vote against him.

Please, House Republicans, hold out for a few, or even one, meaningful concrete concession. It could make a difference for you and the country.

KenC

May I suggest a list of who votes YES for comprise and keep that list handy in 2012?

So many RINOs so little time.
And yes anyone who votes for this needs to be outed BIG TIME in 2012! Because they are no tea party member!

the whole giant con is exposed, Too much to ask for.
Reuters was going overboard on the fear and panic thing, lots of quotes, not one that matched the rhetoric. Indeed.

can be manipulated via electoral as well as protest methods.

New taxes = the end of your career

I see room for defense spending cuts so long as military pay for enlisted men are left alone and so long as no real reduction in defense is measured. There’s also room for cuts in non combat areas and in the cost of equipment and even armaments. They’ll never find 50% cuts in defense, trust me, they won’t even look that deep, republicans are conservative, not fools nor European. Even some dems aren’t that stupid.

With all the power that has been granted to the House of Representatives by the US Constitution with respect to spending, it’s frustrating that no program, agency, department, subsidy or benefit has been defunded.

There are so many useless, harmful, and wasteful programs out there that the only explanation for not cutting something is that Boehner does not want to reduce or eliminate any of these programs.

I hope that somehow, someway, he can be replaced, but I’m not holding my breath. Rinos seem firmly in control.