ingratiating themselves into Conservative circles. They became the pet cause for Conservatives to show that anyone could be Conservative, but the truth has always been that as liberals they too have had their agenda. BTW lets not kid ourselves and say they are any different then the Log Cabin Republicans (whom GOProud beats up for doing exactly what they do). The truth spilled out the minute Republicans won big in 2010 when they told those winning Republicans that they needed to get away from social issues (while continuing on with their social issue).

What you have is a group of LIBERALS who have conservative traits and NO PARTY! It is going to get harder to pick the libs out as they come into the Party because the DLC is done and any semblance of conservatism is gone from the D Party, they will be trying to “change” the Republican Party. We absolutely MUST be critical of any “new” faces, that tell the over HALF in the R Party social Conservatives to sit down and shut up and NEVER will we allow ANYONE who calls themselves a Republican to call out ANYONE on our side a bigot.

CPAC has a choice next year, either they go with the flamethrowers GOProud or they go back to the Conservative Action Committee they have always billed themselves as. Their problem will be attendance and I can guarantee them, there are MORE social Conservatives then there are gay Conservatives in this Movement!

GOProud was pro-life, anti-gay marriage and anti-DADT? they would still be a gay-first organization, and this fundamentally EXCLUDES them from conservatism.

at worst, they are part of a deliberate conspiracy to sink the conservative coalition. at best they are a poison pill that will sicken the conservative cause from within.

this theme has been echoed by, quite literally, hundreds of RS posters.

additionally, i point to this pew study; http://www.google.com/search?q=church+goers+voting+study+pew&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADRA_en
which shows 74% of white protestant voters voted republican in 2008. the %, i submit, would be much higher today.

this debate has great potential for honing and strenthing the conservative movement. to appeal to democrats, as well as republicans, a strong, courageous, STANCH ( i shouldn’t have to say this) SOCIALLY conservative candidate would be, in my opinion, able to GOTV the white protestants as well as the conservative ( there are more than you think ) hispanics AND the growing conservative black voting block

No need in going in to all the reasons why aberrational lifestyles destroy the participants and degenerate any society which has chosen the lifestyle to live within common sense, universal order, while aberrational deviants are disclosed as a scourge to mankind in the Bible. Just as they stold a beautiful word, Gay, and turned the word into a Lie to fit their agenda and have their lifestyles accepted as an alternative norm in society, GOPROUD is equally a Lie, because I’ve never met a Homosexual Person who was either Gay or Proud!

CPAC might as well allow the Muslim Brotherhood a seat at the table. They could call it ShariProud, with the promise that they have Conservative Values, and they won’t cut your head off if you disagree with their views. CPAC has spun itself a peculiar web similar to a maze designed so well they can’t find their way out. I’ll bet you a dollar against my penny that, if one digs deep enough, you will find certain CPAC Managers who have an Aberrational Lifestyle Agenda.

Allowing two males or two females to marry in the sight of God is mans’ acceptance of this putrid, secular humanistic, decadence. God will not allow Himself to be laughed at by mere, arrogant humans much longer.

More surface flack to obscure and confuse by the evil forces of Progressives, Communists, Socialists, Marxists, and Islam. This so called big tent that will be attending CPAC will be there to destroy Conservatism if for no other reason than to flaunt their own bigotry by condemning Conservative principles. This is nothing but the same process the left has used for a century–destroy from within by continually stirring the pot of social discontent that keeps people aligned with groups for easier agitation and deception. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong and when the two get mixed and obscured only evil wins. If you need proof, just witness what is already happening due to CPAC this year (Personally, what is happening is disgusting.); Republicans fighting Republicans, exactly what is intentioned by these evil forces posing as Republicans and/or Conservatives furthering the destruction intentioned by the Social Justice/Politically Correct mantra.

The notion of “Gay Conservatives” always struck me as strange. It’s a bit like a “Christian liquor store.” It just seems like the two concepts don’t work together. Politically, gay conservatives are more than welcome, but they need to realize that conservatism is about social issues like abortion and traditional marriage and not just fiscal ones.

We are at a point where we are not only trying to redefine marriage, but we are in danger of redefining conservatism as well.

Bravo.

And as far as a response to others on the possibility of redefining conservatism (which is a huge danger, as we see Reagan being redefined as we type), I would paraphrase a famous quote by saying that as far as conservatism goes, we will know it when we see it.

Barron looks at the landscape: ”We’ve said all along that we don’t think that the conservative movement is unwelcoming to gay people. There is a fringe element. A really nasty, anti-gay, bigoted element. And we have smoked them out, and we have marginalized them.”

Yes, these fringe-group bigots such as Heritage Foundation, American Family Council, Sen. DeMint and Gov. Pawlenty. And let’s not forget all those nasty folks who think that the Constitution means what it says, and so does the Bible. Let’s marginalize that whole gang – that’s surely a winning strategy for conservatives.

Exercising my freedom of association now makes me a loser and a bigot. I’m a little unclear on how that’s a conservative principle.

that if the radio doesn’t meet the spec, then change the spec. This was funny when it was a joke about something that didn’t matter, like transmitter power output or receiver selectivity, sensitivity, or FM discrimination.

But now we see that it really is about power, selectivity and discrimination, and the specification that we are being asked to change is the Constitution and the dictionary itself.

Hope and change the spec? Not on my watch. I’m a retired engineer (who really did help invent the internet, BTW) and now I’m interested in making our politicians meet the specification that has been in place for 200+ years, plus or minus 3 dB.

Personally I would like to speak with a GOProuder, and find out how they think. To me conservatives need to respect all people and all ideas, and discuss differences like, well, like family. To me gays are mixed up; many are aware of this and have given up on trying to be straight. Gays need to be aware of who they are and think about why they are gay. Science has not shown that gayness is genetic. So it’s learned, and to me it’s almost a psychosis like alcoholism or like needing anger management. Anyone suffering from any of these symptoms doesn’t think anything is wrong until something snaps. And in my experience, managing anger seems like a hopeless cause, like this is how I am and I can’t change who I am. This is how gay people eventually think of themselves. It’s not right, but what else can you do, until someone shows the way for gays to truly appreciate the opposite sex for what they are.
So conservatives need to have this conversation, and if GOProud can’t have this conversation, and just call others bigots, then they aren’t conservative.

for finally speaking out, This organization seeks to divide and dilute the conservative movement and we must not allow that to happen. Actions always speak louder than words.

a agy cannot be conservative. He/she can certainly be Republican but definitely NOT conservative. A true conservative rejects the gay lifestyle and social mores, as they disagree with positions on marriage, DADT, etc.

GoProud’s attempt to hijack CPAC is another example of a movement trying to bring down another from within, which is a liberal tactic.

agy = gay

As he quoted Thomas Jefferson, if it neither breaks my leg or picks my pocket, it is nothing to me. Well, I submit to you he wasn’t speaking of sodomy. I researched what some of the founders thought of sodomy. I won’t post it all, but let’s just say that if somehow Barney Frank met up with certain men of old, he’d be missin’ “the offending pendage”. Okay then. Mr. Beck often takes the founders out of context to push his agenda. Sodomy offends me, personally. Abortion offends me. But here is the deal, this kind of crap our “leaders” continue to do, jades me, ALOT! This big tent has got to zip up the entrance or they will lose me and millions like me.

Is there a specific reason why conservatives need the ACU to define conservatism? I thought the principles underlying conservative philosophy were fairly immutable. But that’s just me.

I would also like someone to identify the folks responsible for allowing GOProud/MB to attend CPAC and therefore identify themselves with the conservative movement. After all, they must be so proud. I am certain these folks still stand behind their decision resulting from what must have certainly been extensive research on these organizations philosophy. Also, I am sure they fully considered the ultimate impact on the conservative movement at this critical juncture in our history.

Whimsical appeals to groups based solely on demographics never work. Never. How long will it take for these party stalwarts to understand that philosophical promulgation primarily depends on basic, principled agreement?

By the way, this does not show we are a “big tent and open to different points of view”. Not compromising on basic principles doesn’t mean you are inflexible. It means, well, you are principled. Yielding makes conservatives look like a bunch of fools- willing to trade principle for appearances and prostitute themselves for votes. That plays right into the strategy of liberals to divide us. Mission accomplished.

that social issues have become such a wedge. I feel like the fact that I’m fiscally conservative, and hawkish/conservative on foreign policy is irrelevant because I don’t oppose (non-taxpayer funded) abortion, and frankly couldn’t care less who gets married to whom.

In fact, it’s probably more important to care about gays and abortion than it is to fight for democracy worldwide, reduce taxes, and support our allies. And that’s a damned shame.

Well said, Erick. When a light is shined on GOProud, they come up leftist.

each group would wear different color shirts, good grief,just when I was settled and happy RE: GOP back where they belong,now all this CPAC , GOPROUD, plain old house wives like me just get confused, dream up some way to flag wave or something really radical, Hey I know, RULES you have to be this and this or change seats and be a Dem.

I just read the article you linked to about Chris Barron’s abortion agenda. I had no idea. “Director of Republican Outreach for Planned Parenthood.” WTF?!?!?!!!!!!!

As far as I’m concerned, that is CASE CLOSED on the GOProud issue. Anyone who earns their livelihood by working full-time to rope Republicans into one of the most evil organizations on the face of the planet is not to be trusted.

And, yes, it’s pretty rich irony for anyone connected with Planned Parenthood to be calling anybody else a “bigot” or a “hater” — since Margaret Sanger’s whole PURPOSE in founding that organization was to get rid of black people and other “defectives.” She was one of the most hateful bigots who ever lived! And the organization she founded has continued that racist legacy, with 75% of their facilities located in black and Hispanic neighborhoods.

GOProud is too proud of being GOProud…if they sincerely wanted to be part of the conservative movement they would adopt its agenda, come to it’s meetings as conservatives and not as GOProud members who obviously have their own agenda, which is liberal. They can’t be both and join the CPAC conference.

It’s that simple.

The big tent, we must embrace all, is liberal ideology. It’s the ideology that got us in the mell of a hess that we are in today. Whoever at CPAC that decided to give them the podium and a microphone made a very serious mistake that needs to be corrected NOW! As it is, it seems that GOProud is running the CPAC agenda instead of conservatives!

If you’re part of GOProud then you should be questioning and exposing the curiously liberal character-smear tactics being exhibited by your own, not slamming the messengers reporting and exposing it — OR questioning those responding to it as less “valid” conservatives than yourself. How would you know who has “earned the right” (??!!) to be commenting on any subject matter? Do the world a favor and please don’t skip your morning coffee again, please.

CPAC had better cure itself of its “confusion” very quickly. I don’t like what I’m seeing and hearing at all, and I chose to stay away as well this year. And while Erick has saddened me with Chris Baron’s ugly attacks, at least I found a new personal hero in Cleta Mitchell. Cheers to the quietest among us who are working 24/7 and hopefully too busy to even read the nonsensical attempts to both discredit them and falsify the truth.

Your name, and Redstate have enormous influence within the conservative circle, and this is taking a leadership position in pointing out the mission creep of non-conservative positions storming into the conservative tent. I just wish that those that have remained silent, as you have, would have done this long ago. GOProud was at CPAC last year, as were the radical islamic speakers. Grover Norquist has been instrumental at CPAC for years, even though his radical ties have been known for many years. I just hope it is not to late to turn back to traditional conservatism. The only way to defeat those that want to redefine it will be to remove the now heavy influence from the libertarians.

I saw an article, front and center this morning on The Hill, declaring that Sarah Palin sees no problem with GOProud at CPAC, even though she is not attending herself. In the past she tweeted her support of them. I guess Palin has just lost her social conservative bona fides. If she does make a run for president in 2012, she just made a similar error as Daniels calling for a truce on social issues. Actually her words are more destructive to her, as she came out in support of something social conservatives are very much against. Did she think this would gain support for her with the Independents? According to polling, even the Independents are more in favor of social issues than are not. Ooooops.

I heard Breitbart on the Rusty Humphries show where he was defending his position and his decision to reach out to GoProud. I’m sure you heard the reasoning. Among his reasons were that he didn’t like to see groups (paraphrase) “shouted down” like the left does. I get that. He doesn’t want to be in an organization that behaves like the left does……huh. Maybe he could’ve picked a better issue to get behind (whoops?). Andrew equates the shouters with all conservatives, when they probably just could’ve handled it better. I love Breitbart, I also think he’s gotten caught up in the trap layed by the left where there’s no response that cant be criticized. He said that if that’s the way conservatives are, then maybe he’s not one. Maybe he’s not. Or he just doesn’t completely understand it. We don’t care what people do privately. When its made an issue, that’s the emergence of an agenda.
The problem is fundamental in that GoProud has allowed themselves to get caught in the trap of “grouping” that the left engages in – but they’re so accustom to being grouped, that they do it to themselves. If they came in and didn’t need to identify as gay, no one would care. The fact that its become this big of an issue is evidence of an agenda to me. “Grouping” and “categorizing” is fine for marketing and sales, but when it’s used for politics, it gets downright nefarious. It’s a tactic set in motion to disrupt and disarm the conservative movement. And its working…look at us.
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that RS has been crawling wall-to-wall wit GOProud sympathetic mobies over the last fee weeks. I have to say we’ve been good about it, probably to a fault so ss not to live up to their stereotypes as social conservative bigots.

But can we please ask them to leave now, we’re falling off mission here.

I’ve always objected to the whole idea of “gay marriage” and hence have been suspicious of gay-first interest groups being part of the conservative movement. I never bothered to research the issue any further and simply wallowed in suspicion.

Thanks for pointing out exactly what is going on with this group, GOProud. I am mostly leery of any group that places a special status or interest above all else. For a philosophy that reinforces principles over self interest, it just seems incompatible.

Even when we want to give others the benefit of the doubt, to believe that they are genuine and sincere, it isn’t always a wise choice to make a commitment or to join forces in haste. We can leave ourselves wide open to being deceived and end up ruining our own reputation in the process.

I’ve more or less had the mindset for quite a while to “just wait and see” about GOPround, that the proof was in the pudding, and that if this group was sincere, their actions would prove it. But that until such time, I would restrain from committing myself to anything.

This is one time that I’m glad I’ve had enough of common sense to do this. They may be fiscally conservative on some areas of policy, but they are socially liberal regarding how they approach politics. And if speaking the truth on that makes me a bigot, then other people can call me what they choose.

Those who have eyes can see that the event has a problem on its hands. As EPU said above, you shed a strong, bright light.

GOProud has been shown as a false-flag organization. They need to hang there banner elsewhere.

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Why are only the Christians the only vote we will surely lose, with gay marriage? What happened to the so-called Judeo-Christian block? There isn’t any such block because 90 plus percent of the Jewish voters are liberals who always vote for “doing what feels good”.

Now when will you take that same discerning eye & look long & hard at the Libertarians & how THEY are more closely aligned with The Democrats than the GOP on everything except Domestic Fiscal Issues?

On social issues, the “Classical Liberals” make the Democrat Liberals look relatively chaste. On Foreign Policy/National Defense the Libertarians resemble a gun totin’ faction of Code Pink. Yet we are embracing them? Allowing them to gain power & enabling them to vote with the Democrats, stopping important to the Conservative Republican Cause issues such as The Patriot Act ~ that’s a MUCH bigger issue to me than GOProud’s infiltration & goals of pushing the LGBT agenda. Not by a whole lot, but our National Security is at stake…

an American, a Christian, a Conservative and a gay man. I frankly don’t care if you think or believe that I am or not. Matter of fact, it seems to me, very un-conservative for arrogant snobs to drone on and on about who is and who isn’t a conservative. Yes, I am happy and no, I don’t require your approval or disapproval. You can huff and puff all you want, but it won’t matter one whit to me.

Erick, that Planned Parenthood bit was a cheap shot, sorta like you accuse Barron of, and I hope you’re aware of that fact.

What am I missing. Since when with normal people do you take pride in who you have sex with? Fun and/or love yes, Pride?
Just another bunch of hostile people, emotionally disturbed for the most part, and having a little nasty fun. The media will love it.

We have an abundant supply of RINOs. I stopped sending donations to CPAC some time ago and support conservatives directly. Our big time RINO appears to be getting ready to run for president again, if he is nominated B.O. will win again, because conservatives will not vote for a socialist nor will they vote for a RINO.

The Gay Manifesto…..

“We shall sodomize your sons… We shall seduce them in your schools…in your army bunkhouses…in your houses of Congress…

All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.

All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united politically and financially.

We will unmask the powerful homosexuals who masquerade as heterosexuals. You will be shocked and frightened… We are everywhere; we have infiltrated your ranks….

The family unit-spawning ground of lies, betrayals, mediocrity, hypocrisy and violence–will be abolished.

All churches who condemn us will be closed.

We shall rewrite history…

Tremble, hetero swine, when we appear before you without our masks.”
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For a supposed fiction. it is remarkably accurate. Gay ‘rights’ are responsible for THE LARGEST conservative split in our history. Pity.

Eric,
Thank you for standing up for conservative principles. Of course GOProud fits in well with Republicans. The RINO good ol’ boys club wishes social conservatives would go away and stop talking about the sanctity of life and marriage. But we ignore social issues to our own peril and ruin. We should have learned that from the Founders.
I’m saddened that so many name brand so-called conservatives have been co-opted by the lavender lobby.
Again, many thanks for speaking up.

Some GOP pollsters say the demographics favor gay marriage in the next 10-15 years. They point to young people not having a problem with gay marriage. Children of GOP politicans like Barbara Bush and Meghan McCain favor gay marriage. Thus some in the GOP say conservatives should just forget about fighting gay marriage. Should conservatives take such advice or redouble their effort to promote Christian values to America.

I submit to you the following thoughts ….

Anyone I have ever met who proudly or even comfortably announces or calls themselves “Gay” is, by definition, Liberal. Not just Liberal but “Screaming, In Your Face Super Liberal”. They have an agenda that is about nothing other than themselves and their desire to rub your noses in their “Right” to an alternate lifestyle.

I can’t think of a single “Gay” person I have ever really cared for.

I know and have known many people who are of the same sex persuasion. Many of these people are and have been friends, respected mentors and even relatives. Not one of these people has ever been comfortable using the term “Gay” to describe themselves or their lifestyle. Some of them, when required in some conversation will admit to being of the same sexual persuasion and some will use the term “Gay” but, like myself, (I am straight) hesitate over its use but are lost for another, more acceptable, or usable term.

“Gay” has many uncomfortable connotations. “Homosexual” has many negative connotations.

I know many of these people and they are as conservative in their outlook and lifestyle as anyone else who claims the title of being conservative. Many are easily among the most ultra-conservative people I know. Many are republicans and many have been democrats and many are finding themselves aligned more as independents as the Democratic Party derails and the Republican Party is still too centrist.

These people don’t advertise who or what they are. Its not that they are ashamed of it, they have come to be comfortable with themselves, they just don’t think that its anybody’s business. They look at the whole “Gay” thing and the “Gay Rights” thing as being as ridiculous and foolish as we might view a whole “Straight” thing or “Straight Rights” movement.

Like you or I they see no reason or point to wearing their personal lives on their sleeves. If you see them as a couple you might be able to tell that they are a “couple” because of they way they interact but most people would miss it. They tend to live quietly, have very productive lives and tend to be well thought of. Just like you or I.

They would never be caught dead in a “Gay” club, a “Gay” parade or become involved in any other openly “Gay” activity. They tend to think that type of thing is as weird as you would. They don’t tend to associate with people who consider themselves “Gay”.

Most of them are glad to see many of the more onerous laws being softened and some of the more ridiculous reactions of the “uber-conservative” christian right being pushed aside but are not “activists” in getting the changes made.

Like you or I they work, they live, they go home to their lives and mostly mind their own business and are quietly happy and comfortable with themselves.

I have many friends of this type. I am proud to call them friends. You probably have friends of this type and may not even know it … may not ever know it.

They shun “Gays” just like I basically shun “Gays” not because of their sexual persuasion but because they don’t like the Liberal slant of their outlook.

I do not consider the Republican party to be conservative. As a child they were the country club Republicans. My aunt and uncle belonged to that group. Those people wired the system with their tax loop holes, I didn’t blame them, but they were pragmatists not conservatives.

My daughter is a primarily a libertarian, she is also a pragmatist, she believes the social issues turn off the younger Republicans. She was the President of the Young Republicans at her college during the John McCain campaign, a RINO. The old conservatives made my daughter and other young people itchy. However, they are young and have not yet seen the havoc the socially liberal agenda has wrought, because they are fish swimming in it. It is what they know.

The conservatives cannot make a pact with the devil, regardless of how many may be turned off.

Groups like GoProud will destroy the chances of rollback of this virulent socialist agenda. The young are not so motivated to vote, but old conservatives like me are faithful voters. The young can be educated, they can be brought to see what decadence does to society.

Now as to my take on the homosexual agenda rise to prominence.

For fifty years or more, we have sexualized children. During the prepubescent ages, children are homosocial, this is natures way of protecting them from engaging in sex at too young an age. Boys hang out with boys and ignore girls and girls think boys are icky.

Isn’t natural order beautiful? But if children are sexualized at this stage of homosocialabilty into same sex experiment, they will likely become homoerotic. Humans can be sexualized to a shoe. The point is they should be protected until the natural opposite sex attraction is awakened, at least 14 or 15 and for many, it is much later. So we have many more people being sexualized into same sex at a young age, at ages when they are naturally homosocial. Viola-more homosexuality. And boy what a virulent group they are.

I find this a sad state of affairs for them, because they will not have growth and actualization of highest human potential and for society because this aberrent behavior is damaging to civilization and undermines our social contract.

The purpose of marriage is domesticating of males and the protection of females and children. This rock of civilization should be changed because (for whatever reason for their homosexulaity) some men are unable to fulfil their responsibility to women and children. Marriage is under attack from all sides, including heterosexual behavior. Some of us have to defend it and explain to the young why this must be protected.
As for redefining marriage

Made an error in my last paragraph. “This rock of civilization should NOT be changed….

Who is taking the applications to decide who gets to be a conservative?

I’m pro-life, pro-gun, pro-small government, anti-ENDA, anti-hate crimes bills, and I support a flat tax and the principles of federalism.

I am also a gay man married to another gay man. Legally. Sorry if you think that will end our society.

Do I get to be a conservative? How pure is pure enough?

For those who think we should just give up because the next generation will favor same-sex marriage should remember the witness of history. Societies that embrace this are societies that start to die. America is not the first, and we’re not immune.

I just read an article where, as pointed out in the article, Barron, the GOProud leader, is “gloating” because the “boycott” has “backfired spectacularly” apparently because his group is still there, and those that have chosen not to attend, the “losers” are the ones that now have the “image” problem. How very Liberal and how very very childish, Barron. The way I see it is that many many were not aware of the problems that were going to come about by giving GOProud a seat at the main table before people bought their tickets, and other sponsors already paid their fees. It’s enough that they have created such a stir, but, to shoot off his mouth, to gloat that they won, and to knock those that are highly respected conservatives, like DeMint, in the end will backfire on GOProud and CPAC. I am willing to bet big time that next year, the attendance will be way down by any conservatives, and it will be fully taken over by the libertarians, the gays and the radical islamists. How very conservative.

About Jim DeMint not attending, he said “Im glad he’s willing to be on the Island of Political Misfit toys, with Farah and the Concerned Women of America.” Wrong statement Barron, you underestimate the Concerned Women of America, the Jim DeMint supporters, and for that you will pay the price. Oh Chrissie, you can have Palin, take her, please, take her, she’s all yours.

I have to tell you I feel like we need a hazmat team for some of the comments here.

This is not about gay rights per se and homosexuality. This is about giving a group the label “conservative” when it clearly is not.

Some of you need to use judgment and common decency in your remarks. Just as I am offended by them calling many of my friends “bigots” I am equally offended by the name calling in that direction.

Coming from an independent direction, I can’t see how this argument is going to enable a conservative president to win. Like it or not, it has to move quickly out of a republican squabble INTO an argument that the country can get behind. Preferably an honest argument, not a deception that we have seen on these issues in past elections.

It is a serious issue if you consider that the entire country is desperate for a leadership that can, well, save it. Most presume it will come from the conservatives, but that may change.

If you are against people being gay, that is a personal, private right of any person. There is a lot of evidence that position may be correct. You can certainly advise someone not to engage in gay behavior, but you cannot punish them for it if it is agreed to and not with minors.

The only way that government should get involved is in areas of public funding, education, and child protection type things. The fact remains that gays exist and are not going away and will demand conservative representation, whether you like it or not. You don’t own conservatism.

If you are against alliances with activist groups who are organized on the basis of sexual preference, or anything else besides government policy, even by race, or gender, or religion, also, then that is a legitimate position that holds true for any minority special interest group. This is a position that the general public can understand.

You guys are going to lose this argument and fall into the trap again, if you do not get your positions straight. Its really important to the country right now. If you want to lead.

Notice how it has discombobulated the CPAC gathering. Everybody is expending energy on the GOProud controversy rather than on retiring Obama. When are conservatives such as yourself going to master the art of the big, fat ignorum. The whole point of GOProud is to disrupt and distract.

After all, homosexuals have a whole party to support their agenda. Rather than try to convince Conservatives that the Bible doesn’t know what it is talking about when it comes to the proper use of body parts they should try to convince Democrats to shrink government interference in the economy. Please go disrupt the Democrats. America has a crises on its hands and it doesn’t involve what I think about what you choose to do with your penis.

I really appreciate the kind words, but the comments here have descended into chaos and some are as offensive as those made on the other side.

So we’re done here. I’ll resist a mass banning and just say we should not treat them as they treat us.

Truly despicable and deceptive effort by this group.