Perhaps the Most Ridiculous Thing to Come Out of Washington Since George McClellan


A+ Rhetoric. C- Ideas.

The House Republicans’ “Pledge to America” is out. A thrill will run up the leg of a few Chris Matthews’ types on the right. As Dan noted on Twitter, the Contract with America was 869 words and this is 21 pages. The Contract told you everything you needed to know about how a Republican Congress would be different from a Democrat Congress after 40 years of Democrat control.

These 21 pages tell you lots of things, some contradictory things, but mostly this: it is a serious of compromises and milquetoast rhetorical flourishes in search of unanimity among House Republicans because the House GOP does not have the fortitude to lead boldly in opposition to Barack Obama.

I have one message for John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and the House GOP Leadership: If they do not want to use the GOP to lead, I would like to borrow it for a time.

Yes, yes, it is full of mom tested, kid approved pablum that will make certain hearts on the right sing in solidarity. But like a diet full of sugar, it will actually do nothing but keep making Washington fatter before we crash from the sugar high.

It is dreck — dreck with some stuff I like, but like Brussels sprouts in butter. I like the butter, not the Brussels sprouts. Overall, this grand illusion of an agenda that will never happen is best spoken of today and then never again as if it did not happen. It is best forgotten.

The pledge begins by lamenting “an arrogant and out-of-touch government of self-appointed elites” issuing “mandates”, then proceeds to demand health care mandates on insurance companies that will drive up the costs of health care for ordinary Americans.

The plan wants to put “government on the path to a balanced budget” without doing anything substantive. There is a promise to “immediately reduce spending” by cutting off stimulus funds. Wow. Exciting.

There is a plan to cut Congress’s budget, which is pretty much what was promised in 1994. Seriously? In 4 years did the Democrats really blow up the Congressional budget? No — the GOP did that too.

There is no call for a Spending Limitation Amendment or a Balanced Budget Amendment. It is just meaningless stuff the Democrats can easily undo and that ultimately the Senate GOP will even turn its nose up at.

The entirety of this Promise is laughable. Why? It is an illusion that fixates on stuff the GOP already should be doing while not daring to touch on stuff that will have any meaningful longterm effects on the size and scope of the federal government.

This document proves the GOP is more focused on the acquisition of power than the advocacy of long term sound public policy. All the good stuff in it is stuff we expect them to do. What is not in it is more than a little telling that the House GOP has not learned much of anything from 2006.

I will vote Republican in November of 2010. But I will not carry their stagnant water.


Category: , ,

RSS feed

227 Comments Leave a comment

Rino retards

justfedup Wednesday, September 22nd at 7:01PM EST (link)

They just don’t get it!!!!!!!!!! Not stripping Murkowski & now this lame excuse for toliet paper. Repeal & replace obamacare? Are you kidding me? Sorry Rush, 2012 will be time for a 3rd Party or a real revolution.

Please be respectful

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 7:06PM EST (link)

I thought Sarah Palin settled this matter.

RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

no reason to be nice

justfedup Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:03PM EST (link)

I didn’t see anything about limiting government to “18″ Enumerated powers or a Balanced Budget Amendment. If they really want to “win” back our trust & show that they get it, their “Pledge” would have substance not fluff. This isn’t taking a stand at all. Going back to “pre-stimulus” spending isn’t going to stop an economic nightmare only delay it.

I'm not going to debate you on this

Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:05PM EST (link)

When you use certain slurs you offend more than just the people you’re insulting, you also offend families of people with certain conditions.

So learn better ways to express your displeasure.

RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 
 

I think it is too late

ihateliberals Thursday, September 23rd at 9:50AM EST (link)

to worry about Michael Steele. He should have been fired last January. I still want him fired but waiting to December is not going to help anyone right now. Pelosi will be removed as speaker when the GOP takes over in January but it would be better to not have her in the congress at all.

 
 

There's no need...

fmaidment (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 7:49PM EST (link)

…for a third party if we conservatives take the party back!

Get involved, and not just in election years. Start taking your elected leaders and your county party to task for supporting garbage like this. The GOP works from the ground-up, if we choose to take on the challenge.

Follow Me on Twitter

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”
– - Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791

Exactly, because 3rd parters are spoilers and losers

renny (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 7:44PM EST (link)

and the GOP has a wonderful history that just needs reinvigoration. It is the party that ended slavery, saved the union, and has given the US the lengthiest periods of invention and prosperity. Never throw out the baby with the bath water.

 
 

Did you even read what he wrote?

Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 7:55PM EST (link)

I will vote Republican in November of 2010. But I will not carry their stagnant water.

I bolded the pertinent statement, in case you missed it (again).

No third party talk. Period.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Gamecock's Top Twenty Most Ridiculous Things to Come out of Washington since George McClellan

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:47PM EST (link)

Reconstruction
Plessey v Ferguson
Wilsonian domestic facism and League of Nations
Smoot-Hawley
National Recovery Act
Alger Hiss – United Nations
Engle v Vitale
LBJ
The Swimmer’s immigration reform
Roe v Wade
Church Commission
Restrictions on oil exploration and nuclear power
Boland Amendment
Bush41′s new taxes
Leaving Saddam in power
Hillary Care
Clinton pardons
McCain-Feingold
Democrats
Obama

get my point?

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

There's way too much stupid that comes out of DC

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:53PM EST (link)

To come close to finding the worse one without wanting to retch.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

The subject of this blog wouldn't be in the top 10,000 - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:17PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

Agreed, this is merely pathethic nt

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:24AM EST (link)

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 
 
 

I would add

captkirc Thursday, September 23rd at 12:07AM EST (link)

Albert Haynesworth’s contract to the top of that list.

Seriously though, even if this is “meaningless dreck,” why give the media and Democrats a soundbite on which to attack this from the right. Worse, why risk demotivating the very people needed to win back the house 41 days before a monumentally important election?

 

The Swimmer’s immigration reform...

naraht Thursday, September 23rd at 7:37AM EST (link)

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007?

nope, late 60s when it changed fundamentally - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:53PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 

You forgot Jimmy Carter Mike....of course...now he's the THE most rediculous President

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:09PM EST (link)

any more is he?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

I don't think he was really that bad

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:25PM EST (link)

just VERY in over his head and (for him) the unfortunate “last straw” of 50 years of progressive/RINO governance. Carter actually presided over three very good things: airline deregulation, trucking deregulation, and micro-brewing deregulation. He also very weakly supported Paul Volcker, though Reagan’s strong support of Volcker’s anti-inflation efforts was more significant. Probably the worst things he did had to do with energy and foreign policy: he highly regulated nuclear power plants, and obviously his presiding over the gas crisis was just terrible. His general fecklessness and pessimism did him in on foreign policy, as well: note to future Presidents, do not micromanage rescue efforts. He also had the misfortune of just being a weird and unlikeable guy in general; the comments about his daughter and foreign policy, the killer rabbit, and others can’t just be chalked up to fatigue or the campaign trail.

Carter was just the guy left holding the liberal bag. Liberals never liked him much, anyways (remember Kennedy’s challenge for the Presidential nomination): he was always that hick whose religion was too on the sleeve for their liking. His honesty concerning the effects of policy were no boon to them, either: they preferred their pols to tell them that progressive legislation would only hurt “the rich”. And hey, it gave them a convenient fall guy for the Great Society’s failures (LBJ’s fault), Kennedy’s awful handling of foreign policy (involved us in Vietnam and Bay of Pigs), and most importantly, it saved them from having to explain FDR’s New Deal and “uncle Joe”. Far easier for them to peg the blame of their policies on the short four-year term of a guy that they didn’t even like that much. Though they would have vastly preferred tarring and feathering Reagan for their errors, Carter was a good second for them. Carter was just a well-meaning idiot whose fecklessness doomed him. Obama is an idiot with vastly more dangerous ideas, and much less fecklessness (unfortunately), though he is certainly more incompetent than Carter ever was.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

I meant to say Carter is "NOT" the most rediculous president ever nt

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:52PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

any more....nt

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:54PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

Ace', the restrictions on oil exploration, refineries and nuclear power were under Carter, but probably

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:55PM EST (link)

should also have included the abandoning of the Shah and appeasement of USSR. But I did put Democrats generally at the end, and that also covers Jimmah.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 
 

The problem with a third party idea is that it will

davesinsanantonio (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 5:30AM EST (link)

give the next election to the Dems. They will then have time to finish the destruction of this great country. And, they will pass laws and fund Acorn and other agencies who will lie, cheat, and steal any further elections so that the destruction cannot be undone without tremendous intense widespread violence that will be even worse for America than the Dems are.
So, don’t even think about a third party, Put all your effort into taking back the party we already have. We can make it the majority party forever if we espouse true principles and do our homework to make sure our candidates understand those principles and will work to support them. That is what the majority of Americans want. Every time there have been candidates who stood up for true principles the Republicans have won. It is only when we get squishy about those principles that we open the door and let the Dems back in. Stop the leftist nonsense!!!
Lets give the American people what they want, not the pablum of wishy-washy bipartisan nonsense that does not uphold what made this country great in the first place.

 
 

This 30 second TV ad by Rand Paul has a better plan

sailingaway Monday, September 27th at 1:05AM EST (link)

Rand Paul’s new ad “Rand’s Plan” is 30 seconds long and only part of his agenda, but it has way more meat and is far more to the point than this ‘pledge’. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVorVi8gCJM&feature=player_embedded

 
 

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one disgusted with this.

avgjo (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 7:07PM EST (link)

Right now, we’re all too busy with not only our regular lives, but getting out the vote, donating, all that good stuff in preparation for Nov. 2.

BUT

If I’ve said it once here, I’ve said it 100 times; we MUST keep a load of fire under these jerks’ tails. I believe in vote Republican in the general, and all that good stuff, but at the end of the day, I am worried about one thing: will my elected representative work towards the goals of small government and restoring liberties that I am preoccupied with?

The first battle against the Dems has been long, exhausting and with mixed results. The next battle will be just as long and exhausting, but we have more control over the results. We must take the appropriate action. Nov 3 will be a day of relaxation and enjoyment, but Nov 4 with be right back to work. Lame-duck, warnings to our own people about how we expect x, y and z. all that good stuff.

Maybe we should give our own contract to these jerks and demand the fulfillment of the same.

Ceterum autem censeo, Obamaecuram esse delendam.

It’s the morality, stupid.

Good idea! Care to come up with a draft? nt

davesinsanantonio (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 5:20AM EST (link)

Wait a minute. . . Let's look at the big picture!

fightinmad Thursday, September 23rd at 8:38AM EST (link)

It is a sad day when we on the right cannot get a grip on the big picture. We all are very passionate about what we want and what we believe. Yet we scratch and claw at every idea people offer because it “ain’t bold enough!” Guys like Rove attack because our conservatives aren’t pure enough. We get so wrapped up in bickering over our petty differences that we drop the ball and will in the end lose the game. Folks, we need to take this war one battle at a time. We hit our targets one at a time. Today we win the election. We get Americans working again and get the tax rates to stay the same for now. Tomorrow we dismantle the Obama Death-Care plan. We then get taxes right by going to a “Fair Tax” system which takes away the grab for power through taxation. We move on to defunding little-by-little the welfare give away programs cutting out first those programs that only increase government dependence rather than truly help folks who really and I emphasize really need it. As Mark Levin preaches night after night, “it will take us a long time to get things back the way our founders envisioned it.” We hold true to our Constitution and each day clean out the trash that has been woven into it by our communist traitors. Lets apply the pressure on our own representatives at home. Lets fight our battles locally once this election is over. Lets make sure they know they are gone if they do not produce. And lets help get rid of the implants in Washington who work behind the scenes. Those aids and staff workers who have been there for years in some cases. The corruption is deep. It is going to take patience and as Glenn says, Faith in God and the Power of His might to eventually win this war. If you want to win in overnight then I suggest you had better just pick up your guns and attack. I only see total ruin if that happens. Our communist neighbors will attack us in a heart beat. We have to see the big picture, realize how we got here and work tirelessly to take it back. Let us stop the infighting, remove the RINOs and get our message clear and true and then man our stations and keep those who represent us true to our cause. Remember, you are responsible for your two Senators and which ever congress person you have in your district. You are also responsible for the local politicians in your neighborhood. Focus on what they are doing. Go to the town meetings. Read the paper and watch the local news and speak up when they try to take away our Constitutional and God given rights. We are running out of time. Support our soldiers we have now and get the job done.

 

Coldwarrior beat me to it, brother.

avgjo (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:48AM EST (link)

http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2010/09/23/a-shorter-pledge-to-america-from-a-conservative-non-professional-candidate-for-the-house-and-some-suggestions/

I was thinking of a diary post where I would put what I thought would be a good skeleton of a contract, ask people here for their ideas, refine it, present it again, and then start some sort of petition drive to have ready for our GOP friends that fateful day in January.

But I really like what our fellow Redstater wrote there.

Ceterum autem censeo, Obamaecuram esse delendam.

It’s the morality, stupid.

 

Coldwarrior beat me to it, brother.

avgjo (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:48AM EST (link)

http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2010/09/23/a-shorter-pledge-to-america-from-a-conservative-non-professional-candidate-for-the-house-and-some-suggestions/

I was thinking of a diary post where I would put what I thought would be a good skeleton of a contract, ask people here for their ideas, refine it, present it again, and then start some sort of petition drive to have ready for our GOP friends that fateful day in January.

But I really like what our fellow Redstater wrote there.

Ceterum autem censeo, Obamaecuram esse delendam.

It’s the morality, stupid.

 
 
 

They don't understand

DerKrieger (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 7:16PM EST (link)

“This document proves the GOP is more focused on the acquisition of power than the advocacy of long term sound public policy.”

If the GOP implements sound public policy then they will be guaranteed power. Do they not see this? Instead they want to acquire power and then fritter it away by failing to implement sound policy.

Seems as simple as 2+2 to me.

“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

 

if the CBS listed "highlights" are really the highlights

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 7:29PM EST (link)

this thing sucks. They did not say anything at all really, and that is WORSE than actually saying nothing at all.

Molon Labe!

Sadly, yes

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:35PM EST (link)

I read the whole thing, and it is pretty much all rhetoric.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

I Could Have told y'all this was coming!

conservativecurmudgeon (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:49PM EST (link)

The Republican Party establishment is as clueless about the scope of the coming tsunami as the Democrat Party. Fortunately for them, it will redound to them, without regard to whatever dreck their campaign consultants came up with.

It is so sad, so head-shaking, that they don’t understand the degree to which America is begging, yearning, for decisive, strong, articulate, powerful, determined, dogged, principled, and rhetorically sound representation. America, and Americans, are sick to death of the posing, the polling, the pandering, the weak-kneed and lily-livered. Most Americans I know have NEVER been so deathly serious, so animated, so upset by what the cranks and criminals in Washington and throughout the government are doing.

..And the Republicans will be as chopped against the Shoals of Reality on November Third, when the scope of the conservative victory is finally witnessed, and this Amazing, blessed nation will be LITERALLY in their hands. If this”Pledge” crap is any indication of what we can expect, the whole gig might already be up.

God help our Nation. Honestly.

 

thanks for trudging through aesthete

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:05PM EST (link)

I just want some specific transformational conservative pledge. Could they not give us anything? Could they not saying something like pass laws to stop eminent domain abuse? Could they not say defund non humanitarian UN efforts? This is not difficult, they needed to say something.

Ok I have a good one. A pledge to stop the gross distortion of the Constitution through false use of the interstate commerce act.

If you want some more, get rid of the thousands of gun laws, gambling laws, tax laws, and other nit picking laws that do nothing to help society and are only there to keep tens of thousands of bureaucrats and politicians on the dole.

Molon Labe!

 
 

CBS? - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:53PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

EE linked to a CBS report on the pledge

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:57PM EST (link)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20017335-503544.html

Molon Labe!

 
 
 

Maybe now people will see what

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 7:30PM EST (link)

I’ve been trying to say for months. As soon as I knew Cantor was a part of this, I knew it would be nothing more than Big Government, and big power for the Republicans, as long as it is done by the Republicans, and not Obama, and the progressives. I live in Cantor’s district, and, again, I promise you, he is not well liked or respected in these parts. Where is this being promoted- in a Virginia hardware store, and, I promise, Cantor will do all he can to get his mug in front of the cameras. Sadly, I feel exonerated.

ps- As mad as I am at Krauthammer right now

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 7:34PM EST (link)

he was correct in advising that any Republican leading in their races for November, should denounce this piece of garbage. I see this as a slap to the face of the Tea Parties.

 

Laura Ingraham Got Cantor Pretty Good

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:17PM EST (link)

when she hosted O’Reilly a few weeks back (actually it’s one of the few times it’s worth watching that show is when she hosts).

Ingraham asked Cantor why he wouldn’t support an earmark ban and he had no good answer.

That's because he's all mouth and no backbone! nt

davesinsanantonio (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 5:37AM EST (link)
 
 

What's missing, specific?

SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 7:31PM EST (link)

Erick

I haven’t taken the time to read the document yet, but in your view what is missing in specific terms?

I’m a big fan of a Line Item Veto that will pass Constitutional tests, don’t know how you do that, but really would like to see something about that item.

______________________________________

Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

Cuts.

Loren Heal (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:27PM EST (link)

We should be cutting stuff, like defunding No Child Left Behind or Race To the Slop. Local teachers and school board members across the country would even join us in taking down the entire federal Department of Education.

We should be talking about drilling for oil, and removing all limits on it.

We should be talking about a fence along the southern border.

We should have a flat tax on all income over the poverty limit, deductions only for number of members of household. Or repeal the 16th amendment and replace it with a sales tax, I don’t care, but no “fair tax” stipend crap.

You want to repeal and replace health care? Then say so. And push to:

  • Remove limits on interstate insurance
  • Remove mandates for what must be covered, so people can buy actual insurance for cancer, heart attack, etc, and pay for bandaids out of pocket
  • Fix the tax code (as above) so that employers don’t have to be insurance brokers.

There’s lots of other stuff. But it doesn’t take 20 pages, and it doesn’t take a lot of explaining.


Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.

Right ON

SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:30PM EST (link)

Great stuff, and I agree with you 100 Percent.

The list of things that R’s want to do is pitiful, you list is great!

______________________________________

Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

 

5

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:39PM EST (link)

The fact that this “pledge” only weakly supports paring back some 2008-10 Dem advances is pathetic.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

5 -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:48PM EST (link)

Molon Labe!

 

5555 kill the 16th nt

RoguePolitics (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:51PM EST (link)

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 

Cuts they will make...

aurelv Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:46PM EST (link)

Along with tax hikes.

Austerity is coming.

Austerity or crash. Binary solution set.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:04PM EST (link)

Pick one.

I’m planning on a bunch of pols who don’t plan….

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 
 

We are building a fence on the Southern Border

GregInFla (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:33AM EST (link)

to keep the drugs out. I read that a fence is getting built on the Mexico-Guatemala border as we speak.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.

If it is true, it is only because Mexico wants to keep all the drug profits for themselves!

davesinsanantonio (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 5:40AM EST (link)
 
 

Here are some substantive goals,

kestrel (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:25PM EST (link)

not all of which could have been in such a document, but are needed. I have no time tonight, so I’m cutting and pasting from page 2 of an article by Peter Ferrara. Sorry. These are what he calls “Change We *Can* Believe In.” I agree.

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/12/30/washington-knows-best/1

“Exhibit 1 of such reform is a constitutional amendment extending the concept of Recall to members of Congress, both representatives and senators…. Such right of recall needs to be applied to future Presidents as well…

“Another populist Amendment would impose term limits on congressman, two terms for senators, and six terms for representatives, for a total of 12 years in each office. The Supreme Court ruled that the states could not constitutionally impose term limits on members of Congress, which is what killed the popular term limits movement. So this highly desirable reform can only be accomplished by constitutional amendment…

“Another Supreme Court decision requires a constitutional amendment to adopt a presidential federal line item veto. This would maintain democratic accountability by providing a means to counter earmarks and other abuses buried in large omnibus bills, continuing resolutions, and must pass defense bills. Most states provide this power to their governors…

“A similar amendment would adopt the one subject rule at the federal level now in force in 47 states, which requires each bill to cover one subject. That would again (stop)… the New Authoritarians from burying elitist policies in mega bills where they would metastasize unnoticed until it is too late, another reform all the more necessary because of our corrupt media…

“Writing in the December 22 Wall Street Journal, Lee Casey and David Rivkin introduce a constitutional amendment that would enable two-thirds of the states to propose constitutional amendments directly, without calling a constitutional convention. Such proposed amendments would then have to be ratified by two-thirds of the states, a process with plenty sufficient safeguards against ill-considered amendments…”

Like item veto is @#*$#@*-ing bullshit.

whiskey_sierra Thursday, September 23rd at 12:17AM EST (link)

Any president who says ‘I need the line item veto’ is FULL OF CRAPOLA.

How do you solve this? EASY.

Once again, ALL THIS WOULD TAKE…is one man as president with the balls to say:

Dear, Congress.

I am not signing this irresponsible bill you sent to me, make it 50 pages or less or I wont sign it, also document exactly what powers in the Constitution you use to justify the passage of this legislation in the first section of every bill you send me including this one or I am not signing them.

We can shut the whole thing down for 4 years and I will play golf and have some nice fancy dinner parties if you want, but do these things in your future bills that you want send to me or I am not signing.

-The President

ps. bite me.

Any time a president starts to whine about ‘i need line item veto’, he is FULL OF SHIT…just send the bills back if you don’t like them.

can't curse like that here -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:18AM EST (link)

Molon Labe!

 
 
 

Based on court precedent, I think the only line-item veto that would pass constitutional muster

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:57PM EST (link)

would be one that would allow Congress to re-vote on specific line items after they are vetoed.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

GC, that may work

GregInFla (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:35AM EST (link)

Because if those items could stand on their own, they likely would not be mixed in with the other crap in the bill.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.

It has a chance to work, but in general, I think the hope put in the potential power of a line item veto is a pipe dream because

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 6:18AM EST (link)

legislation is a work of compromise between the legislature and the executive.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

and because our Founders rightly made Congress paramount and

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 6:27AM EST (link)

in charge of purse strings. Hoping for a dictator-like device like the line item veto could be a major part of slaying the fed govt behemoth is misplaced.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

Maybe the "One Bill, One Subject" Rule

kestrel (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 1:36PM EST (link)

is more workable somehow than the line item veto. It seems like the two provisions would have much the same practical effect. I’d be interested in seeing how (if?) the line item veto is used in the states that have both provisions.

As far as these “big picture” reforms go, I’ll be happy if we can get term limits, a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget, and a “one bill, one subject” rule. Cold Warrior’s mention that some conservative lawmakers are planning to introduce the “one subject” rule is what got me to finally sign up as a commenter here.

Forty-seven states can’t be wrong, can they?

Going to war over the budget process would also force the GOP to deal with the professional lib bureauracracy

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 10:21PM EST (link)

which would be much more of a permanent fix going forward. Thousands of civil servants need to be fired and few replaced. The new GOP must not let the staff they inherit tell them how they must proceed. They must change the system itself.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 
 
 

Right. Part of the point

kestrel (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 1:10PM EST (link)

is to deter extraneous things from being put in the bill in the first place. Whether they are easily crossed out or are exposed to embarrassing scrutiny, the deterrent effect will be similar.

The weak link in the line-item veto is that Presidents want Congress to include major items and

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 10:24PM EST (link)

and so ends up bargaining before the bill is passed to agree to trade-offs. The line-item veto is not a panacea even if it were well-crafted.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 
 

Budget act of 1974

expatuae (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 5:30AM EST (link)

And/ or we can repeal the Budget Act of 1974 and allow the president discretion to NOT SPEND budgeted appropriations.

 

Budget act of 1974

expatuae (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 5:30AM EST (link)

And/ or we can repeal the Budget Act of 1974 and allow the president discretion to NOT SPEND budgeted appropriations.

We also need to include in the Line-item Veto Amendment a provision

davesinsanantonio (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 5:49AM EST (link)

that says all monies so vetoed cannot be spent elsewhere that year. That will help keep total spending down.
Also, it is not just earmarks that are the problem. Congress can find lots of things that they will vote to spend money for without needing an earmark from just one of them. We need a Congress that understands how to say “No!” to special interests. We can only get such a Congress one candidate at a time.

Preventing lots of bad stuff.

kestrel (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 1:53PM EST (link)

“One bill, one subject” would not only prevent earmarks, but would prevent Harry Reid from attaching the DREAM and the “overturn DADT” riders to a defense spending bill. It would prevent Obama from “secretly” setting up a healthcare whatever-it-was through the rush-rush stimulus bill. It would prevent Obama from messing with the sale of gold and everything else under the sun in the healthcare bill.

What a radical thought: Ideas will have to stand or fall on their own merit. I guess I’m a radical after all.

 
 
 
 
 

This "pledge" is about as inspiring as the stew in our septic holding tank.

grandma Wednesday, September 22nd at 7:37PM EST (link)

It is obvious that those who were holding the pen, are not from the country class. They are ruling class wannabees. This is totally disheartening. If they aren’t ruling class wannabees, then they must be beholding to the won, or blackmailed.

This “pledge” is about as inspiring as the stew in our septic holding tank. I’m sure all the undecideds and the people who know there’s little difference between the Rs & Ds will run right out and vote for the Rs because of their inane pledge. Yep, it’s drek (the Yiddish meaning).

I will also vote Republican, because I know our candidate for Rep from Indiana (Mark Leyva) is home grown, grassroots and tea party all the way.

 

So, basically, the GOP gave the Democrats a club...

LaborUnionReport (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:00PM EST (link)

to beat them over the head with for the next 40 days?

Movin’ on.

“I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes.” Thomas Paine December 23, 1776

In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.-Ayn Rand

LaborUnionReport.com
The Most Comprehensive Source for
News & Views on Today’s Labor Unions.


the club is more like a wet noodle

pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:20PM EST (link)

I do not think our candidates are going to be nor should they be as angry with Erick Cantor and company as some of the posts I’ve read. This kerfuffle shall pass.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

Disagree Pilgrim

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:41PM EST (link)

These are the people who brought the wilderness to the Republican party. They are trying their dangdest to keep them there. You may consider it a kerfuffle but, the country has moved way beyond the many Republican kerfuffles. The country has moved so far away from the Republican same thing, different day scenarios. This plan is just more of the same, and, in my opinion, they have made the party look weaker than some already thought they were.

The House cleaning will continue long after November... nt.

LaborUnionReport (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:46PM EST (link)

:)

“I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes.” Thomas Paine December 23, 1776

In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.-Ayn Rand

LaborUnionReport.com
The Most Comprehensive Source for
News & Views on Today’s Labor Unions.


agree with pil' - the only real sin here was that some of our most conservative reps agreed to a lowest common denominator statement

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:00PM EST (link)

Many of the GOP elected reps and senators have made individual statements that are great and in more detail.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

555555! Ryan's individual roadmap is detailed and comprehensive

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:27AM EST (link)

in contrast to this political pulp equivalent of the National Enquirer

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

 
 
 
 
 
 

There you go again, Erick...

mdyou (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:14PM EST (link)

…sugar-coating things. Say what you think!

Years ago, my wife and I arrived at her first husband’s new digs to pick up her son. The digs weren’t deluxe, but it was an improvement over his van.

When the Democrat sperm-donor brought my step-son to the car, the boy was so excited. “Mommy, I just watched The Disney Channel!”

My wife looked incredulously at her ex, and asked, “You mean you have cable?”

“Can you believe it? I’m movng up!” replied the proud dad.

“So when are you going to get a phone?” asked Mom.

Dad replied stoically “One miracle at a time”.

Let’s keep our eye on the prize Erick. One miracle at a time.

 

Sorry Erick, I disagree

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:20PM EST (link)

I like this document, they don’t over reach. That was the problem with the 1994 Contract with America, it was over reach and none of it was implemented. Let me quote you for a second…

“Spending Limitation Amendment or a Balanced Budget Amendment”

When was the last time an amendment was ratified by the states? I’m pretty sure it hasn’t been in your lifetime.

They make some low level, smart pledges that are in the realm of the possible, rather than shooting for the moon and disappointing everyone once again. This lets them bank some capital and the voters let them take the training wheels off and make a dent on real reform.

Or we could try the Obama method of promising unicorns that poop Skittles, but that hasn’t worked out too well for the left.

All in all, I think they hit the perfect pitch with this one. It gives just the ammunition to get those candidates your worked so hard for against the establishment, what they need to make it to 50+1.

Oh well, I can see I am in the minority here, since I’d rather focus on actually reaching a conservative majority in the future, rather than complaining that a party platform doesn’t have enough red meat for the base.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

I'm with you on this one too, Dave

LisaDe (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:08PM EST (link)

One Hundred percent. This September and October should be about one thing and one thing only…Helping Republicans get elected. Nothing more. I am so tired of seeing the complaints about this, that, and the other.

The self- righteous criticism should be directed soley at those liberal democrats and not at all against anyone who is on the (R) team. Not one of them. Knock yourselves out on November 3rd, but until then, I think its really detrimental.

As far as the document is concerned, well, If today there wasn’t one to dissect, I guess we’d be criticizing that. I really wish the blows that are dealt to men on “our team” would stop, even if its just for another 6 weeks.

You Guys Are Missing The Point

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:29PM EST (link)

Yes we will all vote for Republicans this November.

The problem is that we’re sick of putting the same big gov’t Progressive R’s in power. The same ones that sent spending way out of control that last time they had power in both Congress and the Presidency.

We’re really at a make or break point as a country. We need some real entitlement reform or we will be looking at some real longtime suffering. Just passing a resolution of some common sense things that does nothing to fix the real problems is not good enough. Why can’t they put in an earmarks ban? Why not eliminate the ridiculous restrictions on drilling and nuclear power plants? Where is the push to reform Medicare and privatize Social Security? What about eliminating the Dept of Education and Dept of Energy??

We need a commitment to real conservative principles, not a bunch of fluff with the same old garbage just to regain power.

I'm with ya NHCon...

LisaDe (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:41PM EST (link)

I really am. I get it. But here’s the thing. The cards are on the table, the hands are dealt. The ones not on ballots this November will still be there until we have a say later. There is nothing that can be done about them now. They can write all the declarations and promises and pledges they want. It makes no difference to task at hand. Getting rid of Pelosi is the goal. We can hold their feet to the fire when its done, and I know we will. But right now, I am standing by each and everyone of them, publicly, even if my stomach is turning when I’m doing it.

 

I'm with ya NHCon...

LisaDe (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:41PM EST (link)

I really am. I get it. But here’s the thing. The cards are on the table, the hands are dealt. The ones not on ballots this November will still be there until we have a say later. There is nothing that can be done about them now. They can write all the declarations and promises and pledges they want. It makes no difference to task at hand. Getting rid of Pelosi is the goal. We can hold their feet to the fire when its done, and I know we will. But right now, I am standing by each and everyone of them, publicly, even if my stomach is turning when I’m doing it.

 

Agree, NHConservative.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:12PM EST (link)

First we clean the House, then we clean the GOP.

Mew

p.s. wouldn’t Palin make a wonderful replacement for Steele?

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

No She'd Be Better Off as President

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:31PM EST (link)

than as a useless figure-head of the RNC.

The last thing we need is somebody as unqualified

mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:45PM EST (link)

as the current occupant of the Oval Office.

She does “figurehead” very well. She’s a good fund raiser and an excellent rabble rouser. She would raise all kinds of hell and would be an asset when it comes to recruiting conservatives.

As far as her holding elective office, she’s never accomplished a thing in the offices she held except spending a ton of money. And running out the back door with flimsy excuses when the heat came down.

If Daniels or Barbour Don't Get the Nomination

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:05AM EST (link)

would you vote for Palin?

Take This for What it's Worth But This Shows that She Cut Spending as Governor:

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:20AM EST (link)

http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/06/governor-palins-budgets-pointing-out.html

Please tell me what’s wrong with this?

Well, aside from the fact that she increased spending

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 1:09AM EST (link)

dramatically before making a cut and leaving the budget well above the levels it was at before she took office.

conservatives4palin is the ultimate kool-aid shop. It’s not a political site, it’s a theological site. The people who hang out there generally look to Palin as the second coming.

And, if she gets the nomination

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 1:10AM EST (link)

I’ll vote for her. It will be a losing cause, but I’ll vote for her in the general.

Wow.

azaeroprof (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 1:37AM EST (link)

Art’s gone, but I still hear his echo.

Why do so many Palin supporters make everything about the person rather than the argument?

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 1:45AM EST (link)

“Art’s gone, but I still hear his echo”? As if anyone saying anything at all negative about Palin is just channeling Art? Makes it a lot easier to deal with the objections if you just chalk it up to a matter of personality.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

Wasn't about the person.

azaeroprof (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 2:25AM EST (link)

I like beck. But those last two posts could have been written without a keyboard. Just right-click copy, right-click paste from any of 3 dozen of Art’s posts. Why can’t someone say something nice about Palin here without the same lines thrown back at them over and over? Why, just yesterday, you and I reached a concensus of reasonableness (is that a word?) regarding Palin.

conservatives4palin is an unabashed fan site and makes no bones about it. I read it occasionally, and even post articles from it on facebook, but not here. But accusing the folks from that site of thinking Palin is the “second coming” is doing exactly what you said: “making it about the person rather than the argument”. I’m pretty certain that none of the folks who paste there really believe she is the second coming.

"Second coming" is over the top but it is an unabashed fan site

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 2:42AM EST (link)

For someone who has been banned and for someone who a lot diehard Palin fans constantly complained about, it does seem that AChance gets a lot of mentions in discussion.

Look over the most recent Palin diary and see how many times the response to any kind of criticism of Palin involves a mention of Art.

Before Obama was elected, many people pointed out that a career consisting of a couple years in the Senate was a remarkably thin Presidential resume. Well, two years as a governor is pretty thin as well. Besides Obama, has there been a person elected President in the modern era with a resume as thin as Palin’s?

I would say no. That’s not Art Chance talking or J the Magic RINO talking, its me.

We don’t disagree about Palin, but both sides repeat the same arguments about her constantly. I think the Palin skeptics such as Beck acknowledge her strengths (she is remarkable fund raiser, bomb thrower, and rock star) far more than her fans acknowledge her weaknesses (left office early, thin record, etc).

I think this argument would die down somewhat if Palin fans would just admit that the ranks of past US Presidents doesn’t include anyone whose prior jobs included a 2 year governor.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

OK, I'll bite.

azaeroprof (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:22AM EST (link)

(Please don’t over-interpret my example!)

4 2-year terms as a state legislator
1 2-year term in U.S. House of Representatives
2 unsuccessful U.S. Senate races
0 years of executive experience

Elected President in 1860, re-elected in 1864 and considered America’s great president by most historians.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t mean in any way to equate Sarah Palin to Abraham Lincoln. But Lincoln had 2 fewer years of elected service as Palin has. 8 of her 12 years of elected service were executive, 0 of Lincoln’s 10. And certainly no one can accuse Lincoln of serving during an “easy” time that required a lesser-experienced man.

Sometimes other factors trump experience. Does Sarah have these other factors? Maybe, maybe not.

As to her record

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:16AM EST (link)

She signed the largest budget in state history but she also dramatically reduced federal earmark requests, made the largest cuts to the construction budget in state history, refused a pay raise, pushed the development of the Gas Pipeline, and went after oil companies for sitting on their leases.

In her first term as mayor she cut property taxes by 75%, eliminated personal property and business taxes. In her second term she had a slight tax increase that was approved by voters to build a sports complex in Wasilla.

In response to the criticism that she doesn’t have enough experience fighting Democrat legislatures I think she more than proved her ability to overcome adversity in speaking out against corruption when she was on the Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. She put her career on the line and refused to back down and shut her mouth.

Oh....

HappyBunny Thursday, September 23rd at 9:24AM EST (link)

We have an election to win, there’s plenty of time for you to embarrass yourself AFTER November.

Try Using Some Facts

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:31AM EST (link)

you sound like a hit and run liberal.

If you don’t want to argue the topic, then why even join in with your snide remarks?

I will personally beat you to a raw and ugly political death

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:47AM EST (link)

on this subject if she decides to run. Until November, we need to focus on winning House and Senate seats and Governorships, not pissing and moaning about failed, cowardly ex-governors.

Bring It On

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 11:17AM EST (link)

I want the best conservative possible as the next POTUS. I’m open to debate and I’m not afraid of your posturing.

 

Palin, Daniels and budgets

azaeroprof (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:18PM EST (link)

OK, I got tired of listening to rhetoric on both sides of this, so I took a half hour out of my work schedule to visit the Alaska budget bills. Here’s what I found:

Alaska ’07 budget – Murkowski’s last
Capital budget $2.19 billion
Operating budget $8.17 billion
Mental health budget $0.14 billion
Total $10.50 billion

Alaska ’10 budget – Palin’s last
Capital budget $1.87 billion
Operating budget $8.7 billion
Mental health budget $0.20 billion
Total $10.77 billion

Percentage change through Palin’s term: +2.57%
Average annual increase +0.86%

Just for fun, I visited the Indiana state web site to see how the patron saint of fiscally conservative governors, Mitch Daniels (who I actually quite like), has done. Here’s what I found:

FY2005-06 budget – Kernan’s last
Total budget $21.4 billion

FY 2010-11 budget – Daniels’ latest
Total budget $26.9 billion

Percentage change through Daniels’ term: +25.7%
Average annual increase: +5.14%

Now, I’m no expert at reading budget bills, so I encourage anyone who can find more accurate info to correct me. But this info is straight from the state budget authorities, not from c4p or any other fan site!

azaeroprof- Thanks for that info

Scope (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:44PM EST (link)

Here is an article from an Alaskan Newspaper from 09, talking about the Palin 10 year budget projections. Obviously AK depends heavily on oil and gas revenues. It does point out the risks involved on the price per barrel, which can fluctuate rapidly. There isn’t a soul alive that can say for sure how much the price per barrel will be in a year, let alone 10 years. Of course, I’m sure the O, and Salazar have done their best to kill the reserves in AK, just as they have killed drilling in the Gulf.

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/010909/opi_375556160.shtml

There was something else I has read a good while ago, and, I believe someone has it listed above. Palin cut way back on the federal government monies required/received, while having the luxury of higher oil and gas revenues to pick up the difference. She also wanted to refuse some of the Stimulus funds, as she didn’t want to burden the state with higher future costs for unemployment for example, but, the state Legislature overrode her wishes, and they took the money, and the mandates along with it.

 

Where'd you get your numbers?

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 1:23PM EST (link)

I looked on the AK OMB website, and I found several sources that show that the last Murowski budget was ~5.1 billion (here’s one of them, look on page 40 of the PDF that you get when you select “FY07 Operating Appropriation Bill” under “Operating Budget”), and that the 2009 budget was ~7 billion (here’s the link, look on page 70). Moreover, real spending (as a result of off budget and supplemental spending) soared in AK (here’s a link to an AK gov report that shows this in graph form on page xi [page 19 out of 298]).

I’ll look at the IN stuff later, but for now, put me down as befuddled concerning your source.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

If my info is correct

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 1:27PM EST (link)

That’s a nominal increase of ~37% in two years, and a real increase of ~31%!

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

Go to the link

azaeroprof (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 1:41PM EST (link)

that you labeled “here’s one of them”. Select ‘Statewide Totals’ under the heading ‘Statewide Reports’. Under the column 2007 Governor, you’ll see the $8.17 billion figure I quoted. That’s probably slightly different from the actual approved final total, but probably only by a small amount.

I can’t the report to load that you refer to as “here’s a link”. I’ll keep trying.

That's too bad

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:04PM EST (link)

For me, that’s easily the most important of the three PDFs I linked to, as it was a report from former Lt Gov Parnell’s office showing all spending, including off-budget spending, and its growth relative to revenues. It confirms the numbers that I cited (and tacks on the mental health and capital budgets, which as you note, didn’t change much), as well as the numbers that have been used in news reports (which have not been contested by the Palin or Parnell administrations). Here’s another link to it (again, page 19). If that doesn’t work, here’s a link to the page I got the report from (click on the 2009 CAFR, it should have 298 pages).

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Success, aesthete!

azaeroprof (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:30PM EST (link)

I had to directly to the AK site, but I was able to open the report you mentioned. Are you talking about page 19 of the PDF, or the page numbered 19 in the report?
There is a graph on page 19 (xi) of the PDF that appears to show expenditures going from the 5B range in ’05 to the 9B range in ’09. As an engineering professor, I would fail a student who presented a chart like this, as there is no explanation at all as to what is included in these numbers, etc. The 5B in ’05 is not consistent with the numbers in the report I quoted. Not sure what to make of this. It’s likely even more complicated because a governor of any state has control over only a portion of the overall expenditures.
I also noticed that the revenues spiked hugely, obviously due to the increased oil prices. So would expenditures include the increase in the amount of these revenues returned to the citizens?
I would love to see an analysis of all this from someone who really knows the ins and outs of state budgets, especially Alaska. But I want to hear it from someone who doesn’t have an axe to grind one way or the other!

I agree that, out of context, such a graph

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 4:50PM EST (link)

can be misleading. However, the fact that a ~30% increase in government expenditures has widely been levied as a knock against Palin’s governance, and that said charge hasn’t been rebutted by either the Palin or Parnell administrations, leads me to believe that there is no “reasonable explanation” at hand. Given that Palin was only in for 2 1/2 years, it seems unlikely that the expenditure spike was due to a demographics shift. I would be tempted to fail someone who presents unsourced numbers for various concerns that contradict the numbers more commonly used without explanation, especially without adjusting for inflation+demographics changes :P Fortunately, neither of us is so much engaging in a full academic analysis as engaging in casual extrapolation on a website, and at any rate, it is sufficient evidence to render critiques and questioning of Palin on the issue valid. (Somewhat off-topic: I wonder if there is sufficient evidence put out by state OMBs to run a regression analysis on the data and some causes of government growth? That would be interesting to see.)

I would also note that “revenue returned to the citizens” is a somewhat charitable way to characterize a redistributive program which takes money from oil producers and gives it to the general population. I won’t complain much about it because AK is unique enough to be its own special class. However, it is still a stretch to characterize it as “returning” revenue to AK citizens, in much the same way that a “tax credit” given to someone who doesn’t pay taxes is not a tax cut. Given that a large part of our critique of big government has to do with transfer payments, it is fair to include an increase in redistributive programs as “government growth”. (Of course, one can make the case that AK is so unique, that any comparison between it and other states/the federal government are useless. If so, this entire exercise is just a waste of time.)

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

True enough.

azaeroprof (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 6:11PM EST (link)

I think your last parenthetical term is probably the best pearl of wisdom here. As you observed, the graph apparently includes some “off-budget” items, but we don’t know what those are. Are they something the governor has any say in? Are they entitlement mandated entitlement spending? It is quite possible that her budget numbers were as I found them to be, but overall expenditures went up independent of her decisions. Incidentally, that may also be the case in Indiana!
Being a governor is quite a bit different from being president, and I would be willing to bet that 50 out of 50 states have continuously increasing state budgets. I would have trouble extrapolating to say that Palin or Daniels would not fight to repeal Obamacare or fight back against congressional spending just because they raised spending in their home states by some percentage. The issues and constituencies, not to mention Constitutional duties, are quite different. In the end, it will all come down to whose sincerity you trust.
That said, the academic in me still wants the answers about the AK and IN budgets!!

azaeroprof- I've enjoyed the exchanges on the budget issues

Scope (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 8:23PM EST (link)

I looked into the AK budget numbers for several years, all the way back to the Knowles Governorship, more than a year ago. I also wanted to know how the numbers had changed, over the years, and why.

The link provided by aesthete was a good one, but, you would have to read all of the Introductory statements, and, the notes to the budget info in order to know why and where the ups and downs happen from year to year. I believe AK adjusts their revenue projections twice a year, because their major source of revenue are on the taxes, rents, royalties from the oil companies. It all depends on the price per barrel of oil at any given time, which they state in most opening statements, are always volatile.

For the 09 budget projection, Parnell’s economic team stated that petroleum revenue dropped by $4.7 billion, to 70% of all General Fund revenues. They also claim that, also contributing to the decrease in revenue were income and investment losses, due to the downturn in the economy. Who hasn’t suffered from that?

Salazar also has an impact on AK oil drilling possibilities, with their moratorium on Outer Continental Shelf drilling in the Arctic sea, which will have a future impact on AK revenues, as, BP, I believe already had the drilling rights in the Artic sea, as well as some others. Parnell is suing the Government.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2010/09/09/alaska-suing-alleged-drilling-ban/

I came across an interesting article from 2007. I know it’s Fred Barnes, and the WS, but, not for the fluff of the article, but, I was a bit surprised at the name Andrew Halcro that comes up in the article. Remember that name being splashed everywhere during the Murkowski loss, and this guy looking into her running as a Libertarian? Apparently, if this article is correct, he was a gubernatorial candidate, it seems in the same year that Palin won the Gov. election. Interesting.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/content/public/articles/000/000/013/851orcjg.asp

For archived AK state budgets-

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/archives/index.htm

I suspect future AK budgets will be impacted by this years price per barrel, that has hovered around $75 per barrel, and on 9/22 was at $74 per barrel. For the 6 month revenue projection, they will surely adjust it up, as there are trigger points with the price per barrel, I believe starting at $40, but, when it crosses $70, it is much higher revenue earnings, and the state’s residents are then guaranteed higher annual checks. It does seem to be an odd practice, but, it is a part of the Alaska Constitution. They knew they were sitting on gold, and, the residents weren’t willing to just give it away.

I guess when you have a state, that is so rich in fossil fuels, that was once referred to as Black Gold, you make sure you will benefit from that.

Please look at the budgets for several years for comparison.

 

I think that IN is comparable to other states and the Federal government

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 8:33PM EST (link)

So can other states in the continental US. AK, HI, and our territories are just really weird and tough to compare to how the Federal government works. I think that, in many ways, you’re correct: it largely depends on how much you trust the candidate in question, and I’ll confess to being somewhat risk-averse about throwing an unproven candidate into the mix (Obama-like problems, learning curve, too many unknowns, etc). I think that, at the very least, we can say that most localisms are not as dwarfing as those in AK, and that most states in the US don’t have such a unique revenue scheme (about 95% of funding for AK is provided by oil revenues and the Federal government), given that most states are funded by sales and property taxes. Then there are the Indian tribes, and the fact that the Federal government sits on a lot of valuable AK land, has a base there, bosses AK around a lot, etc.

In many ways, I think that people also miss on the area where AK can directly compare to other states and the federal government: civil liberties, regulation, and social issues. Given the spotlight on the growth of government, it is understandable that these issues have been left to the side. However, these liberties are just as important as growth of government and ensuing taxation: after all, a dollar isn’t worth much if it’s surrounded by red tape and when you’re living out your days in prison for speaking out against government. On these issues, I suspect that Palin might rate more favorably: my impression of her is not that of a “nanny stater”. The city she governed was in a region known as the “crystal meth capital of America”, and her favorable comments regarding marijuana decriminalization tells me that she is at least not averse to greater freedom. In essence, I wonder if Palin isn’t a “Denmark conservative”, to coin a term: someone not averse to large government, but who also believes that what money the government leaves you with should be used to your discretion. It would be interesting to see someone take a look at those three issues and how they fared under Palin as mayor and gov.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

azaeroprof and aesthete, great analysis!

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Friday, September 24th at 8:38AM EST (link)

Thank you both for taking the time to look into this issue in great detail. I simply don’t have the time to do so myself but I really do want to know the truth.

I’ve like Palin alot and I know I’ve been defending her on here but I am by no means a Palinbot. I’m leaning towards supporting her if she runs but I’m keeping an open mind and will support the best candidate.

She’s done a few things that have really irked me such as her endorsements of Ayotte, McCain, and Fiorina. My main defense of her is that I don’t think she deserves to be automatically written off before she even declares and the campaign starts.

At the very least, I do want to know the truth and you guys have done a great job trying to uncover it.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Apples to Oranges

jimmyg Thursday, September 23rd at 2:42PM EST (link)

Indiana has 10 times the population of Alaska. Indiana Population
6,423,113, Alaska’s population 698473. If you want to compare apples to apples, Alaska should only have a budget of 10% of Indiana’s budget, in this case just over 2.6 billion.

Marginal growth is what's being looked at

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 2:53PM EST (link)

not per-capita growth. Palin can’t be legitimately blamed for the spending levied by her predecessors, so azaeroprof’s comparison is valid. (Of course, it makes you wonder why with such large pro-capita expenditure there needed to be any increases, but I’ll grant that AK is a unique state.)

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

States are very different

azaeroprof (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:07PM EST (link)

Alaska is fairly unique, so I expect the budgets are structurally very different. To say that Indiana’s budget should be 10X of Alaska based only on population is like comparing apples to brussel sprouts. Remember that Alaska’s land area is almost 20X Indiana’s, and much of a state’s budget is also spent on land-related items.

It is indeed as aesthete says, the important quantity here is marginal spending. It has been touted by Art and now by his disciple beck, that Palin ripped apart the Alaska budget. I was just trying to independently look into the real numbers and see how much validity there is to those talking points.

azaeroprof, what do you mean his disciple Beck?

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Friday, September 24th at 8:32AM EST (link)

You’re saying Glenn Beck has been criticizing Palin for overspending on the state budget?

I haven’t seen much of his show over the last few weeks so I’m curious to know what he said. I do highly respect Beck as he has been right on the money on almost everything.

 
 
 
 
 
 

That was unnecessary

Scope (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:58AM EST (link)

NHConservative has the right to post his ideas/opinions about Palin, or anyone, just as the anti-Palin posters have sure crowded the threads with their ideas/opinions. The one thing you can see with those that support Palin in any small way, is that they haven’t resorted to personal attacks against those they don’t agree with. There were near to 200 comments that mostly addressed that issue, just a week ago or so. Please stop personally attacking those that aren’t on the same page as you.

When I posted against someone who won a Republican primary, a few months ago, I was asked by Moe Lane to not do that, and, if I didn’t want to help the Republican, then please do not harm them. That would be very good advice with respect to Brewer (on the LUR diary), who also won her primary. We do have elections to win, all of them.

Isn't this cute.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 10:10AM EST (link)

You will note – or not, reading comprehension ISN’T one of your strong points – that I didn’t attack anybody. I did, and will again whenever necessary, attack Palin’s pathetic lack of qualifications in the area of actually running anything effectively.

In terms of “harming” anybody, facts are facts. Another concept you don’t deal with well. Both Palin and Brewer (who I will be voting for) have public records. Taken in context, neither is very good. c4p and the Palinbots who show up here like to take incidents out of context in their worship mode. They won’t get away with it in the primary season and they’ll end up running off and whining just like the Huckabots and Ronbots did last time around.

The point of waking up The Bunny was to end the commentary. I’m done with Palin on any part of her POTUS campaign until after November, Bunny will take over those duties.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Art may be gone, but he was absolutely right about Palin.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:03AM EST (link)

And, while I haven’t looked lately and don’t intend to, at least one of the major contributors to c4p got banned from Redstate for posting her press releases with no commentary other than glowing pictures of her.

The people who run that site are collectively dumb as a box of rock. (Two rocks has them hands down.)

 
 

No Way She Loses to the Marxist!

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 1:50AM EST (link)

Palin has been the only potential candidate from day one who has been criticizing Obama. Not only criticizing, but ripping him to shreds.

She tore up Joey Plugs Biden in that debate and would do the same to Obama. I think unlike most of the other candidates, she wouldn’t be afraid to call him out for what he really is and not sugarcoat things.

I agree that Palin has been a consistent voice on Obama BUT

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 2:05AM EST (link)

“no way she loses to the Marxist”?

1992 — There is “no way” that George HW Bush could lose to a draft dodging socialist from a dinky state

1996–There is “no way” that Bob Dole could lose to a scandle ridden draft dodger who tried to bring socialized medicine to the US

Make no mistake about it, predictions of “no way” (particularly before the miderms) are really statements of hope.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

The Climate is a Bit Different Now

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 2:23AM EST (link)

Back in the 90′s people were stuck playing the political game and not many were seriously worried about the country going into economic ruin.

With the rise of Redstate, the Tea Party, and 912 groups so many people have finally woken up. Enough independents will choose capitalism over socialism.

No it's not. And azaeroprof is absolutely right.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:04AM EST (link)

It’s way to early to be having this discussion. I’m calling Franz Rule on it now.

For the Record I Didn't Start It.

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 11:15AM EST (link)

I responded to the suggestion that Palin would be great as RNC chair.

I object to writing her off as being nothing but a figurehead.

Maybe she’s the best fit to be the next POTUS to get us back on track, maybe not. I’m not going to write her off right from the start, I think she deserves a fair shot just like everyone else.

 
 
 

It is waaaaay too early!

azaeroprof (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 2:30AM EST (link)

So much can happen between now and 2012, it is indeed foolish to proclaim anything with certainty. Even as a huge Palin fan, I must admit that for her to beat Obama in a general is an uphill battle, even if the economy remains sluggish 2 whole years from now. But I won’t touch certainty either way with a 10-foot pole.

Who said it's going to be Obama?

acat (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 8:14AM EST (link)

Hillary could well mount a run from the right of the Dem side…

How would Sarah from Alaska fare against Hillary?

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

She'd Beat Her

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:03AM EST (link)

Again it’s the same thing. People are fed up with progressive socialists.

Plus Sarah has actually accomplished everything on her own while Hillary rode her husbands coattails.

Franz Rule!

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:06AM EST (link)

And, aside from what she’s done since she left office, which is 100% community organizing work, she’s accomplished absolutely nothing but to leave Alaska with a significantly higher base budget than they had when she came into office.

 

One caveat, NHConservative.

acat (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:08AM EST (link)

Whoever the GOP POTUS nom is in 2012, like it or not, fair or not, they’re going to be tarred with the failures of the 2012 GOP house and senate wave.

We are going to have to make 2012 an extension of 2010 .. and do it in spite of RINOs. On this, I am pretty sure we agree.

I will be watching Palin and whether she can inspire at the top of the ticket (if she even decides to run, although she certainly looks like it…) the way she did at the bottom of the ticket in 2008.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

Aaargh! Typo in para. 1, 2nd 2012 should be 2010. Duh! [nt]

acat (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:09AM EST (link)

“We need coffee and crullers, stat!”

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 

That Will Be One of Palin's Strengths

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:29AM EST (link)

She’s already been fighting the lamestream media for quite some time now. I think her constant criticisms of Obama will come in handy during a POTUS run. Palin will call him out for being the socialist that he is during the campaign and during debates. I really think she’d tear him out during debates just like she did with Biden.

And again I ask, who said it's going to be Obama?

acat (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 10:37AM EST (link)

Seriously.

Assuming conservative republicans carry the day in 2010, and have any legislative success at all, the Dems are likely to run a much more leans-right-on-paper candidate for POTUS in 2012. Given his current lack of popularity and apparent inability to triangulate, Obama could easily lose the primary…

The Dems have also, in the past, shown a ruthlessness in suppressing their libtard base when that base is costing them elections. (once elected, of course, the story changes)

It would not surprise me for the GOP POTUS nom to be running against a former multi-term governor of a western state…

Against such a one, Palin would have a very hard time.

Palin: “Obamacare! Death panels!”
Dem: “I was governor of {state}, not something I had any control over”.

Palin: “Cap and tax!”
Dem: “I was governor of {state}, I was opposed to this on the grounds that {state} has {oil/coal/gas} energy reserves.”

Remember the Dem playbook – move the ball forward as far and as fast as possible, then consolidate power. That’s their next phase, and a more conservative Dem POTUS candidate could easily win if the Repub side collapses into a mud wrestling match between snow white and the seven dwarves.

2012 is the next thing, I know, and it does matter – but so does 2014 and 2016 and 2018 and so on. Palin winning the nom but losing the general (for whatever reason) would be worse for my children and grandchildren than Palin not running until 2016.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

Friendly Wager

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 11:24AM EST (link)

I guarantee Obama gets the Dem nomination.

I just can’t see it any other way. The base and party leadership is not going to erupt into an all out civil war.

Also, if you think Hillary is going to beat him, then she’s easy pickings. She didn’t speak up once against any of these atrocious entitlement spending increases. Not to mention she was for national health care before it was cool with Hillarycare.

NHConservative- I believe Hillary will run

Scope (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:18PM EST (link)

Obama has made it pretty obvious that he isn’t liking the job, and, I believe Bruni, that Moochelle hates the job, it’s hell. Obama even said that he didn’t care if he was a one term president.

Obama has lost every bit of charm, and “cult like” personality that he rode into the Presidency on. He found out that the job really does require him to do some work, and, it’s not 24/7 party time. His poll numbers are constantly going down, and, they haven’t hit the lowest they will yet.

This is my opinion/observation, Soros bought the Presidency for Obama. He was a big Clinton fan, even of Hillary, but, saw the advantage of Obama’s blackness. When Obama did the keynote speech at the DNC convention in 06? I think, he wowed the nation. Shoot, I thought it was promising, and, I’ve never supported any Democrat. Now the nation could have a real authentic black man, rather than the first black president Clinton, and the nation would be healed, was the spun message.

Obama has come off as a very petulant arrogant child that doesn’t play well with other’s. He doesn’t even try to hide his radicalness. Even his supporters have seen that, and, the Independents in particular, have been running far away from him. If the Republicans do gain the seats they appear to be winning, it will be all over for the O. Soros will go back and put his money and support to Hillary. He will never allow the major gains to Progressive Government to slip through his fingers without a fight. If he thinks the O is fading in those hopes, Hillary will be in. I wonder if the O will even run, many times I have my doubts.

Everyone claimed Hillary was lacking in foreign relations experience, even though the O had none. She accepted the Sec. of State position in order to beef up her resume. She has been traveling the world, not accomplishing anything, but, making friends in high places. I’ve read an opinion that when she announced the lawsuit against AZ, when in a Latin Amer. country, that was her first hint at a desire for the highest office. Her latest speech at the CFR, where she in essence disagreed with the O, was the first actual hint. While in her current position, she cannot go against the O admin, but, I will bet she will be out of that position right after the mid-terms. The Dems also know that Bill Clinton is still very popular with those in the party, and, they see Hillary as a two for one deal. Many of the Hillary supporters in 08 said that clearly. The Democrats will not switch to being a Republican, especially the die hards. They will vote for Hillary in a heart beat. Hillary will be a very dangerous candidate in 2012, as not many realize that she is just as radical as the O. I’d love to know what the discussions were between Hillary and Georgie at Chelsea’s wedding.

 

Wagers need stakes. $10 to the charity of the winners' choosing?

acat (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 5:49PM EST (link)

Devil in the details.

Specifically, I will wager $10 that Obama is not the Dem nominee in 2012, reason not specified. (i.e. he retires, he resigns early, he loses the nomination, other misadventures…)

I will get back to you with the charity of my choice, now that Moe Lane has a day job.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

You're On Acat Just Respond To Let Me Know You're In

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Friday, September 24th at 9:00AM EST (link)

I already bet a coworker at work $50 that Obama does not get reelected too!

You may clean up, NH.. but I doubt it.

acat (Diary) Friday, September 24th at 1:45PM EST (link)

I, acat, agree to send $10 to the charity of NHConservative0227′s choice if Barack Hussein Obama is the Dem nominee for POTUS in 2012.

You, NHConservative0227, agree to send $10 to the charity of acat’s choice if Barack Hussein Obama is not the Dem nominee for POTUS in 2012.

Agreed.

Mew

p.s. and remember, it’s for charity.

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

Agreed

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Friday, September 24th at 2:45PM EST (link)

Feels strange to be *rooting* for Obama to succeed at anything but if he didn’t get the nomination it’d probably be more difficult for us to win.

Not necessarily.. S.C. Dem Senate candidate comes to mind... [nt]

acat (Diary) Friday, September 24th at 2:47PM EST (link)

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Wrong, Dave.

cwilson (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:48PM EST (link)

1994 did not overreach. It was very measured: they promised to bring to the House floor votes on 10 separate issues that had been, until that time, bottled up in committee.

That’s it.

All ten were, in fact, voted on. Seven passed the House. Two or three were just House Rules, so didn’t need Senate approval. Of those that did, all but one IIRC were blocked in the Senate — and the one that passed was vetoed.

And of those House rules changes, they were immediately reversed when Pelosi took office.

So…you’re right in a sense, in that none of the Contract items had any lasting or permanent effect. BUT…the 1994 Congress DID fulfill their pledge: each of the 10 items WERE voted on. That’s all the Contract promised.

Now, me, I wished that (most of) those items HAD become law…but the Contract never promised that they would.

One difference between 1994 and now: in 1994, the Heritage Foundation wrote the contract…this year a bunch of political hacks wrote the Pledge. I’m shocked, SHOCKED, to find political weaseling going on…

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

 

mainly agree Dave - more later, but I really think we need to move on from this irrelevancy - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:01PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

This document is a top-down centralized POS in a decentralized, bottom-up season.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:13PM EST (link)

It cannot prosper.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

The only way it prospers is if WE make ongoing over-the-top

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:00AM EST (link)

attacks on it rather than honest assessments of the already implemented and future ObamaDem plans. The issue this Fall should be about the disaster that has been the ObamaDems, and not a meaningless pre-election lowest common denominator scrap of paper.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

true -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:04AM EST (link)

Molon Labe!

 
 
 
 

The 27th Amendment was ratified in 1992. I think

davesinsanantonio (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 5:58AM EST (link)

Erick is over 18. By the way, if you read it you may get some understanding why it was ratified. I submit that the people of America are of a similar mindset today and would welcome a spending limit Amendment, a fair – tax amendment, a line – item veto amendment, a term limit for Congress amendment, a maybe a few others.

 

As was pointed out, the 27th was ratified in 1992.

naraht Thursday, September 23rd at 8:24AM EST (link)

However, the point generally stands. We’ve had 6 amendments pass in the age of Television:
22nd (two terms only)
23rd (DC electoral votes)
24th (no poll tax)
25th (Presidential Disability and Succession)
26th (age 18 voting across the board)
27th (no immediate congressional raises).

Of those, only the 23rd and 24th had any even mildly organized opposition, and that was mostly in Dixie. (In each case, the states that didn’t ratify at the time were overwhelmingly in the 11 States). The 27th, OTOH, was about as controversial as declaring the Sunflower to be the State Flower.

I use the ERA as my guide in this regard. If you can imagine the opposition to the amendment being *at least* as organized, funded and outspoken as the opposition to the ERA then it almost certainly isn’t going to pass.

 
 

One more thing Erick, since you tweeted about the length

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:32PM EST (link)

How much of that 800+ words in the CWA became law? I seem to recall a lot of disappointment watching bill after bill come to a vote in that first 100 days, only to see them voted down.

Again, prove you can govern like adults first, then go for the agenda.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Dave in Fla. You are exactly right

Scope (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:55PM EST (link)

Republicans need to prove they can govern like adults first. They didn’t need to release this document at all, until they prove that they can govern like adults. This document proves nothing, and, is actually a testament that they never listened to the majority of the country.

I agree. nt

securitymom (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:01PM EST (link)

“Security Mom/Grandma”

 

I also remember thinking at the time, that the 1994 Contract was rather pedestrian

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:02PM EST (link)

given the magnitude of the victory and mandate sought and rhetoric employed. And they couldn’t even pass it.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

In 1994, even though the Repubs held the Senate, it was still a problem...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:16PM EST (link)

Stockholm syndrome, perhaps? Something like it, anyway… The Repubs had been out of power for so long in the Senate they couldn’t believe they were in charge, and couldn’t figure out how to act the part believably.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

Newt lost his way before 1995 became 1996 - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:57PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

Part of why Newt is not qualified to be dog catcher.

acat (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 8:41AM EST (link)

Brilliant? Sure. Master of political judo? Yep.

Sufficient moral fiber (or guts, or sticktoitiveness, whatever ya wanna call it) to not lose the way when the going gets tough? Not so much.

The CWA is fondly remembered by many Conservatives, but even then it was a “good first step”. Newt face-planted (and took the rest of conservatism down with him) on the second step.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 
 
 

GC - I agree with most of your points

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:31AM EST (link)

Here and above. I’ve been hoping to find time to write a diary about the Contract with America, but I’ll wait until you write yours and comment against it.

No point in trying to make additional comments in this thread, since they will get lost in the chest thumping.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

 
 
 
 

Why this fistfight in the foxhole just before the real assault??

reddog53 (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:57PM EST (link)

Erick, I have to also register some polite dissent.

I admit that I haven’t had the opportunity to read the document yet, so my inclination is to defer to your judgement. But…..we need to stay focused, grasshopper!

The Democrats have been pummelling our side as the Party of NO, and this was an attempt to defuse that bomb.

It may not all that it can be, but why so hot? We have worked for 18 months to get the attention of the Republican Caucus, and this at least proves they’re listening, unlike the other side, which is still out there trying to sell health care (at least the President is….).

We have 6 hard weeks left before the real work begins. Now is not the time to take our football and go home.

Let’s get the folks seeking our votes to explain how they will take this short description and give it life in the next two years, mindful that the actual plan will depend on ‘conditions on the ground’ at the time — how many seats do we actually take? What does the opposition do in response?

Oh yeah...this isn't the most ridiculous thing ....Obamacare wins that by a mile!

reddog53 (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 8:58PM EST (link)

Just saying….

 

I have been preaching focus (not a truce) all along

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:03PM EST (link)

the enemy is in sight, and we need to focus on them. However, as you say, they are listening to us. Well, they need to listen a little more. We have had 18 months, actually much longer than that in Congress, and this paper is lacking. We are not nitpicking the thing, we are asking if there is any meat at all. I just don’t see it.

Molon Labe!

555 - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:03PM EST (link)

5

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

The gutless D.C. branch of the GOP cannot think big enough.

acat (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:20PM EST (link)

Repealing Obamacare should be simply a line item.

Short of that, de-fund the thing, block its’ implementation, shut down the damn government and *keep* it shut down until Obama folds.

He will fold like a cheap suit, but only if the GOP can keep the pressure on .. and I’m surprised some of our esteemed senators and representatives can generate enough pressure to {defecate}. (maybe that’s why they come across as full of {excrement})

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

acat, agreed, but merely defunding ObamaCare leaves its much more significant mandates in place

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 6:15AM EST (link)

It is much more the mandates on states and individuals and ins cos that is its socialist destructive power, rather than what is funded by federal taxes.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

GC- I agree

Scope (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 7:29AM EST (link)

but even if the R’s gained the majorities in both houses this year, what could they do to stop the mandates? I favor complete repeal, however, the O would veto any legislation faster than he signed the Big F’n Deal.

There's the problem, Scope.

acat (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 8:21AM EST (link)

Obama will fold if the GOP can keep enough pressure on him.

Do you trust a GOP made up of Cornyn, Hatch, et al to do so?

I am concerned that this document is nothing more than Stupak’s “bring the abortion bit to a vote” promise. That is, “let’s have a vote on repealing socialism, and *when* that vote fails, we’ll fall into line”.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Well compared to that awful "tour" thing Cantor and some

cactusjack Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:20PM EST (link)

other clueless Repubs did in Jan 2009, what was it the “listening tour” (?)that disappeared in a cloud of fecklessness, I suppose this is, ahem*cough* shuffle in my seat* a few steps in the right direction from there. I guess they could have done a lot worse. I think Repubs still have the economy, corruption and competency to run on strongly.

 

This Is Exactly Why The GOP Should Have Released *NO* Public Plan This Year

IJB Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:24PM EST (link)

All they needed to do was run on opposing Obama.

Talking about anything else was stupid, as this whole thing shows.

yep IJB, can't disagree, but this is 1-2 day non-story unless our kind decide to form a circular firing squad - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:04PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

well for Cantor, Ryan et al

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:13PM EST (link)

they will be sorely disappointed if their Magnum Opus is a 1 day non-story.

Molon Labe!

 

Perhaps this would just blow over in a few days...

acat (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:23PM EST (link)

but I doubt the RINOs will quit bloviating that soon.

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

Hopefully those touting this will know that the correct answer to liberal criticism is to compare their plan

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:35PM EST (link)

to ObamaDem plans now in place. We win that argument.

The MSM and others will bring it up and maybe some of the signers will tout it, but the story I hope ends ASAP is the one where the MSM can point to continuing over-the-top attacks on the plan from this website and other conservatives. The focus of extreme opprobrium should be the ObamaDems that deserve it.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

I understand your desire for a unified front GC

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:51PM EST (link)

No one here is trying to hurt Republican chances in November. But we at RS could have a unified front too. The site is read by those in charge, maybe if WE were unified they would make a few changes to their draft?

I am not happy that this is what our “leaders” have come up with. I spend my time on these issues, I spend my money on these issues, and I am going to say when I am disappointed. How many times have we told those GOP leaders who have been losing power for years to stand for something and we will support you?

Molon Labe!

Your tone is closer to mine than the author's - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:55PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

yes it is GC

Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:20AM EST (link)

btw, they posted Ericks entire diary at Daily Kos, fair use violation? they think we are in turmoil, but they are wrong, we just think the rag was a bust.

Molon Labe!

 

after reading the entire pledge, it is not terrible, maybe we can call it a "good first start"?

Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 7:52AM EST (link)

but why were they not bolder? Why did they not offer more specifics? They don’t even mention past Republican ideas such as ending the death tax. Why could they not say they would stop government from social engineering and wealth redistribution? Why didn’t they come out and say it is the people’s money, not government’s money?

At this point I am willing to let it go and support the team, we do not have much time. However, I would not be surprised if more motivated conservative candidates came out with their own pledges, and I would welcome that. If the Tea Party phenomenon has shown anything, it is that we want those guys in Congress to do what WE want, not what they tell us we want.

Molon Labe!

 
 
 
 
 
 

I said likewise IJB

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:12PM EST (link)

These guys built this up, it is their fault it fell flat. I really can’t wait for people like Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and the gang to get in and change things.

Molon Labe!

 
 

I really really hate this.

ghostship Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:32PM EST (link)

More empty promises and meaningless rhetoric from the so called leaders of the GOP.

It makes me feel despondent that after so many years of being a Republican and supporting the party that I still have to put up with this B.S. of being used by them.

Is it so much to ask that the Party would stand for something other than getting themselves elected? Is it crazy that I should want the party to actually push a Conservative agenda of smaller government and fiscal responsibility instead of just lip service from them when it’s election time?

After so many years of this it’s hard not to become a bit jaded and wonder why I even bother going to the polls.

You go to the polls for the same reasons most of us here do;

davesinsanantonio (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 6:23AM EST (link)

because you know you must. We cannot afford to ever sit out any election. That is how the bad guys win. And, they can do so much damage in just one term that we often cannot recover in several terms time. This is true at all levels of government, not just the federal level. We have to stand up and do what needs to be done, and teach others to do the same. If we don’t stand up, how do they know how to do it?

 
 

All the Republicans had to do was show this chart

izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:34PM EST (link)

And then ask – Do you have any questions?

THE CENTRAL ISSUE OF OUR TIME: FEDERAL SPENDING

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/09/027281.php

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

amen izone' - everyone needs to save this chart - 55555 - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:05PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 

But they have to make sure to add....

Christine (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:15AM EST (link)

THE DEMOCRATS GOT CONTROL OF CONGRESS IN….

The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.

“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008

 
 

My thoughts as well

aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:37PM EST (link)

In fairness, what little meat there is in the “pledge” is laudable: certainly, I want Republicans to repeal ObamaCare, as the bill suggests, and going “back” even to 2008 isn’t objectionable by itself. However, I can’t help but feel that praising this manuscript is somewhat akin to applauding a hobo for saying that his life goals are to stop masturbating in public and to stare at people a little less. While a positive step forward, in both cases it is too low a standard to take either one’s claims to dramatic change at face value.

Another problem with the proposal, however, has to do with the fact that leadership is not addressing their own hand in the disasterous policies leading up to this unparalleled growth of government. While I don’t want Republicans to self-flagellate from now to the hereafter, is it too much to ask for some sort of repudiation of 2006 from the first major fiscal policy pronouncement to come from Republican leadership? Given that the pronouncement was largely made up of rhetoric, it might have been nice to see Republicans acknowledge their mistakes, instead of pretending that it didn’t happen.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

This "plan" reminds me of Bush41's Gulf War coalition that let Syria set US policy - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:07PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

They would have been better off with just two words than this lengthy mist of text

JSobieski (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 12:32AM EST (link)

“Repeal Obamacare” would have sufficed.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

555 - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 6:07AM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 
 
 

At this point this is all jibber jabber

powertothepeople (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:46PM EST (link)

because quite frankly, when the new class of conservatives move in come November, these folks might not be running the show. This is nothing more than ill conceived grandstanding and I doubt many of the new class will fall in line with it/

I think it has a little to do with grandstanding and just as much with desperate men trying to show they want to be a part of the new movement only to keep their jobs or get elevated.

Now if in November the new class comes up with crap like this, we may need to be worried.

obama

 

I think I've spotted the pony in this pile of....

cwilson (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:55PM EST (link)

It’s an announcement that there are a number of openings in the leadership of the House and Senate GOP. Start date, Jan 3, 2011…we are accepting applications now; interviews will be conducted on Nov 3, 2010.

Because the document shows that the current “leadership” can’t find their own rear end with a map and a flashlight.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen! –Samuel Adams

 

Hopefully this lead balloon will quickly sink beneath the waves

civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 9:59PM EST (link)

Once we get our outrage out of our systems and disown it, shunning may well be our best tactic to get it to sink faster.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

 

Something far more effective than 20 + pages of

throwback59 Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:07PM EST (link)

empty promises is this new ad that just came out, you can’t watch it without getting a lump in the throat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo0ICjI0iHI

Awesome!!!

davesinsanantonio (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 6:30AM EST (link)

Thanks for the line!

"link"! nt

davesinsanantonio (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 6:31AM EST (link)
 
 

A question arose,

1stRichard (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:19PM EST (link)

Should we cut benefits for veterans, or make cuts in Social Security and Medicare and then there was compromise. Many of us, in the Tea Party and Constitutional Conservatives shook our head in disgust, they simply do not get it. You can read our signs, Restore our Constitution, Down size Government not our Jobs, must we explain such a simple message? For starters, we are a nation of individual states, free, sovereign, and independent states to provide benefits for our veterans, our health and our personal security. The federal government was there only to provide the common defense and general welfare to the states within the enumerated powers therein. We had separation of power but more importantly separation of funding. Should we cut benefits for veterans, or make cuts in Social Security and Medicare, the federal government should not have that power in the first place and this is a decision for the independent states, We the People to decide. The separation of power and separation of funding was wisely chosen in our Constitution to prevent this situation, do you want your health to compete with the defense of our nation? The general opinion I see is not to cut benefits for veterans, or make cuts in Social Security and Medicare but allow individuals to make that choice, within the Constitution, within the states. There should be no compromise in what is unconstitutional, abide by the Constitution, the originalist Constitution not the bastardized and perverted version. The government has stolen our charity and savings in the form of taxes and turned it in to a socialist allotment. No, Obama does not take full blame as history teaches us this failed policy has been with us for over a hundred years. When government strays outside the enumerated powers granted to it in our Constitution government is doomed to fail at the cost of our liberty and prosperity. The Republican party in general has not chosen to boldly stand on the moral high ground of our Constitution, maybe they think this is too radical to have morality, it seems from what I have seen they want to childishly play in the leftist sandbox, lowering their selves and our nation.

 

Not Dreck, Not brilliance either

xJesterx (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:36PM EST (link)

Here’s the 1994 Contract With America:

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;
2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;
5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;
7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

I remember seeing Newt on the capital steps with a big, white poster board with all these points on it. This was right out of the Reagan playbook – easy to understand promises built into a CONCISE message.

Erick, you’re wrong in that one respect, it doesn’t NEED to spell out exactly HOW each item will be done. It does need to be specific, simple, and promote an adherence to the Constitution.

The “pledge” isn’t all dreck, but it does still show a Republican party that is out of touch. This is the Contract with America written by the Obamacare bill rules – pages and pages of details and graphs and charts….who will really read it? Most on the right will get the details from Rush and Hannity.

The one part that IS dreck is the health care part. “repeal and REPLACE” and preventing refusal of pre-existing conditions are right from someone’s poll and spin doctor’s behind the scenes thinking they are wizard’s of smart (as Rush says).

Nobody cares about “replace” right now. At least no voters who cast their ballot for GOP members. Everyone has “pre-existing” conditions…EVERYONE…ask any physician. So instead of giving into the liberal message (ilike agreeing global warming is real but we just have to fix it different), the GOP should be WINNING the argument with their own message about how screwed up the whole idea is.

So, it’s not dreck, but it’s certainly not brilliant.

Oh, one other note, and Erick, I wish you would help promote this: the proposed Balanced Budget Amendment would do nothing to prevent massive tax hikes. When the Dems got control again someday it would be a perfect excuse for them to go the other way….”balance” the budget by introducing VAT, Cap n’ Tax, and everything else to meet the amendment’s rules.

Thx for listing those relatively puny promises

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 6:12AM EST (link)

Those promises didn’t touch entitlements, oil drilling and nuclear power regulations, the EPA, etc. They were all out of proportion to the seize of our victory and revolutionary rhetoric. I was a dem at the time and correctly recall how puny it was at the time by saying: Is that all? I was closet conservative that had hoped they wanted to change more! And amen on your recitation of one of the pitfalls of a balanced budget amendment. There are many more.

What Gingrich at the heighth of power in 1994 and this recent plan miss is the main conservative goal to get big guv regs off our back and entitlements reformed and reduced.

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 

As far as I am concerned,

jccbin (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:36PM EST (link)

I cannot write what vile villainy I would peacefully accept befalling them.

 

A good start:

jccbin (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:39PM EST (link)

Guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

 

Tough crowd

clintonformccain Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:42PM EST (link)

Here I am willing to vote for Charles Manson if it means another Republican in Congress to stop the Obama regime. Here I am putting my money where my mouth is, voting against a college classmate in Massachusetts to elect Scott Brown.

And ya’ll die hard Republicans are upset because a campaign pitch doesn’t pass the conservative purity test? I dunno. Isn’t that a lot like what the KOS crowd does to the Democrat Party?

I’m sympathetic to the frustration with more-of-the-same Congress-critters, but come on. It’s a campaign pitch, it proposes some stuff that most Republican and Independent voters would approve of, even though they might wish for more. And, it can be touted as a response to the party of No charges. What’s not to like?

But, what do I know? I’m just an independent voter (you know, the kind Repubicans need to win elections) committed to voting a straight Republican ticket in November, primarily to restore gridlock to Washington for the duration of the Obama regime.

what they want has to be complicated and incremental

Doc Holliday (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 10:53PM EST (link)

that is how the career politician perpetuates his own existence. What we want is much simpler. We want people to go to Washington to reduce Washington’s power. We don’t want a few hundred more lines in the tax code, we wan the code thrown out! We don’t want to “reform” the Department of Education, we want the place reduced by 80 percent. We don’t want a more “responsive” government, we want the government off our backs!

If you don’t like it, don’t threaten us that we need you, just do what you have to do, we will do likewise.

Molon Labe!

Sounds like DailyKOS

clintonformccain Thursday, September 23rd at 1:16AM EST (link)

I was told that my kind was no longer welcome to vote Democrat because I didn’t pass a liberal litmus test.

That’s really not a smart poltical strategy, IMO. Whether it come from the left or the right.

 
 

Hmm. Rep. Manson? Would Senator Manson be more appropriate?

acat (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:26PM EST (link)

If left to his own devices, some of the D.C. problems would go away… permanently…

Mew

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 

MSM and Looney Left Will Be Shocked

hilliardohpatriot (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 8:36AM EST (link)

I agree, clintonformccain. I’m a little shocked at what I am reading here. I was raised a liberal, evolved to an independent and now being a pretty hard core conservative. I tend to see things from all points of view a lot. I think we are forgetting just how the MSM is going to rip to shreds anything the GOP puts out. And I try to look at how independents and “average” liberals will look at things. Perhaps the GOP did not want to put out something that would be perceived as “too radical”. I only had time to read the first page, and that alone is enough to have the MSM and the “looney left” up in arms.

I mean, really now, they are quoting radical documents like the “Declaration of Independence” and the “Constitution”, and mentioning radicals like our “Founding Fathers”. They are saying a lot of things I’ve heard at those radical meetings of “Tea Partiers”. It’s shocking, simply shocking. :)

The GOP *had* to put something out. They were under great pressure to. They really had no choice. So what if it’s not exactly what “we” want right now – let’s stop the in-fighting and support what and who we can.

The left is watching with eager anticipation to jump on anything they can use to pull us apart – you’ve given them one of the biggest openings I’ve seen in a while.

PS. Eric, you’ve been quoted in the WSJ also: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/09/23/political-wisdom-assessing-the-pledge-to-america/

 
 

2 things above all

callawyn (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:07PM EST (link)

1) Obamacare MUST be repealed. If it stands, we become a socialist country, permanently left/center. If its not repealed, nothing else will matter in the long run.

2) Banning Public Sector Unions. These are the root cause of all evil. If this happens, everything else becomes much more possible/likely. These are the main financiers of the Democratic party and are also one of the main causes of financial problems for every state and municipality that allows them, including of course the federal government.

I was pleasantly surprised to actually see #2 here on the pledge. This is a huge deal, and I didn’t imagine the R establishment even had it on their radar.

Would have preferred to see pledges to eliminate entire departments (energy/education for starters) rather than promises to reduce their size, but having the above 2 items on the pledge could make all else possible if they actually accomplish them.

Yes, Banning Public Sector Unions *IS* A Big Deal

IJB Thursday, September 23rd at 1:18AM EST (link)

Frankly, if they just distill this “pledge” down to that, and “Repeal ObamaCare”, and I think everyone here would be cheering.

What’s so hard about K.I.S.S.?!!

(The eliminating Departments stuff needs to wait until the 2012 campaign – this is not the time to broach that…)

Kick em out

shockdoctrine Thursday, September 23rd at 1:33AM EST (link)

We should be looking for candidates that want to support this stuff. The house leadership doesn’t look like it would ever support eliminating the two DoE’s.

I say kick Cantor and Boehner out in 2012 or whenever they are up for reelection.

 

Roger that

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 2:43AM EST (link)

This thing is way too long-winded.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 
 
 

How's this for a slogan...

traversecityconservative (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:19PM EST (link)

…to help us deal with Rinos and Rino pledges:

Republican in 2010, Conservative in 2012.

The House in November, The Party in December. [nt]

acat (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:27PM EST (link)

——
self-portrait

Caveat Suffragator

 
 

It will be easier to judge when we have the final text,

Locke (Diary) Wednesday, September 22nd at 11:51PM EST (link)

rather than a picture of a draft.

 

Seriously?

shockdoctrine Thursday, September 23rd at 1:25AM EST (link)

It sounds great, but I have two problems. Cantor and Boehnor have been part of the Republican problem. They should go the way of the other establishment incumbents come reelection time.

Also, sanctions on Iran? Are they seriously pushing this act of war on their people who are mostly innocent? One thing about sanctions is that is hurts the poor people, not the elites. The elites will thrive, but the poor and middle classes will suffer.

Thank god they aren’t pushing social issues.

 

John Boehner has been in the House for almost 20 years

ColdWarrior (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:04AM EST (link)

and before that he was a state legislator:

http://johnboehner.house.gov/Biography/

Eric Cantor has been in the House for almost ten years:

http://cantor.house.gov/about.htm

Ever notice how most of the real “bomb throwers” among the Republican congressional delegation are those who have been there fewer than ten years?

It’s almost like the longer they are there, the “weaker” they become.

Hmmmm.

For Liberty,
ColdWarrior, PC (that’s “precinct committeeman,” not “political child!”)
Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (40 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)

In 2012, will YOU become a “voting member” of the Republican Party in your precinct?

Where it all started. Twitter @kaltkrieger
Learn how to GOTV at The Concord Project and at Procinct and Unified Patriots.

Time for a change in leadership....to

DavidS1787 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 3:08AM EST (link)

Mike Pence.

 
 

Elect our Liberty Candidates 2010 and SLAP the GOP Leadership harder in 2012!

audax (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 4:37AM EST (link)

We had our practice primary season in 2010. Now lets get them elected! Then we can SLAP around the GOP Leadership who continue to ignore our LIBERTY platform in the next Congress.

We SLAPPED the GOP Leadership good in 2010 because they weren’t listening. SLAP Marco Rubio, SLAP SLAP Pat Toomey, SLAP SLAP SLAP Rand Paul, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Ken Buck, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Susan Angle, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Joe Miller, SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP SLAP Christine O’Donnell.

Ok, now we’ve had some practice. Who will we SLAP, and with who, in the next election cycle? We need to get our ELECTED GOP Precinct Committeemen in place. We need to take control of the GOP County Executive Committees, the District, State and National GOP Committees. We need to run LIBERTY Candidates in all GOP races in what will be an even bigger election year than 2010.

I CAN SEE NOVEMBER FROM MY HOUSE!!!!!

Audeamus pro audere est facere

 

Surprised?

Nexus Thursday, September 23rd at 5:32AM EST (link)

The real work begins after the takeover. We have to insist that if they want to keep their jobs they have to find legislative solutions that give them less power and citizens more freedom. One example: The single best thing they could have done with financial reform is to take the FDIC out of the business of insuring banks’ trading desks.

 

Did they read it?

nunleigh Thursday, September 23rd at 7:58AM EST (link)

I agree with your assessment, Erick. I was horrified when I saw the length of this document. These fools are going to force a third party. At one time, I was worried a third party would only split conservative votes and give the Democrats the edge, but I think Jim DeMint is right. The Grand Old Party will be dead, and we will be a two party system again after the funeral.

no -nt

Doc Holliday (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 8:04AM EST (link)

Molon Labe!

 
 

Third Party Document

atillathehun Thursday, September 23rd at 8:29AM EST (link)

We may be looking at the document that began the movement toward a third party that holds the founding documents as the guiding principles for governance.
It is really quite astounding that these people do not understand the limitations of the Federal Government as created by the Creator.

The Creator created the Federal Government?

Beaglescout (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:11AM EST (link)

Maybe the Adversary did, but hardly the Creator.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton
 
 

have to start somewhere

davenj1 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 8:52AM EST (link)

You have to start somewhere. It is a statement like a wish list, but you know you won’t get everything on that list. Outright dissing plays into the hands of Democrats and the White House which has already attacked it. This talk of a third party will do absolutely what to weaken Democrats? Go ahead and do it and i guarantee you that when 2012 rolls around, you will undo any gains made in 2010. Do you want two years of Republican control of the House in exchange for 4 more years of Obama? Keep and eye on the bigger picture, folks. You cannot daily rail about Obama on this or any other website only to lay the seeds for his re-election. Face it- Sarah Palin or anyone else running as a third-party candidate WILL HURT REPUBLICAN chances, not those of Obama. Wake up and take the baby steps necessary towards the overall, longer term goal.

True, this Pledge isn't really so bad

Beaglescout (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:14AM EST (link)

It just needs editing. See what Cold Warrior did.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton

That was my thought.

stephaniet Thursday, September 23rd at 10:08AM EST (link)

Maybe they just accidentally released the draft? No? Doesn’t matter. This, with lots of specifics and polishing, would be absolutely perfect. As it is, it’s a stepping stone, something designed to get people pumped up and to get ideas floating around, I think.

Don’t get distracted from the larger picture, everyone!

“*They* say the best weapon is one you never have to fire. I respectfully disagree. I *prefer* the weapon you only have to fire *once*. That’s how Dad did it; that’s how America does it… and it’s worked out pretty well so far.”

 
 
 

Castle next?

pgrossjr Thursday, September 23rd at 9:10AM EST (link)

and this is what comity gets you; Castle is now considering a write-in campaign.

 

Fear of Republicans are justified

maisy Thursday, September 23rd at 9:22AM EST (link)

I had to search the document yesterday for any mention of Illegal immigration. My feeling is and has been that ignoring that situation will be the death knell of the country. Secure the borders drivel without specifics is just more crap from these people who just don’t get it! I don’t trust these weasels and would like to see people like Steve King take control of a true conservative party.
I don’t like Boehner-,Cantor seems to be slippery as well and Pence is another chameleon. Looks like we are heading for same old ,same old and can look forward to millions of more Auntie Zetunis in our future!

 

C'mon folks, give "The Pledgers" a break...

minncon (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:35AM EST (link)

… I’m sure they didn’t read it before they signed it.

“When I was crossing the border into Canada, they asked if I had any firearms with me. I said, “Well, what do you need?” -Steven Wright

 

Good observations, Erick, but...

e_rowe (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 9:51AM EST (link)

Once again, I can’t figure out the schizophrenia of Erick Erickson. This GOP pledge reads like something that could easily have come from some of the more prominent Erickson approved candidates, like Marco Rubio and Marlin Stutzman.

Straw man! Get a match!

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 10:00AM EST (link)

The point, fool, is that it came from the so-called Republican Leadership.

I feel like such an idiot

e_rowe (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 11:32AM EST (link)

All this time I thought issues mattered.

Well gosh...

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 2:39PM EST (link)

if you feel like an idiot, there’s probably a reason for that. Hmmmm.

"Gosh"? mbecker, you must be under the weather today

civil truth (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 2:44PM EST (link)

…there’s some bug going around, it seems. I’m fighting a cold myself.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

Nah ct, just tired.

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 5:31PM EST (link)

Mrs908 is visiting family in Ohio for 10 days and I’m trying to keep up with Franz all by myself. Pretty near an impossible job.

Last time she went to Ohio, FPoD and I hung out and did “guy stuff”. We were gonna go pick up some girls but the only ones he liked were real dogs so we decided against that. This year we’re watching stuff on Animal Planet. And eating apple treats. Getting old is wearing on both of us…

 
 
 
 
 

The fact that it's 21 pages shows their head is in the wrong place...

minncon (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 10:06AM EST (link)

… it’s in a very, very dark and odorous place.

Serious – the length of the document alone is emblematic of what is wrong with Washington these days.

A person who can’t express their core principles on a single sheet of paper doesn’t really know what he / she believes.

“When I was crossing the border into Canada, they asked if I had any firearms with me. I said, “Well, what do you need?” -Steven Wright

 
 

what's wrong w/our 1st pledge

doncorleone Thursday, September 23rd at 9:53AM EST (link)

“Republicans” presenting the pledge our Founders gave to us at great expense to themselves, 16+ pages and a literal interpretation of the commerce clause, and for a little dramatic effect, governing by the “Pledge of Allegiance”.

 

They are trying to pretend base outrage supports their agenda

sailingaway Thursday, September 23rd at 11:17AM EST (link)

When the GOP wins in November. This is all about the gop leadership slapping together what they want to do as they see the GOP wave coming courtesy of the tea party / conservatives. They are going to pretend the wave was a mandate for what they want to do. Then watch the remainder of themselves (establishment ‘leader’ types) go down in future primaries. They want to pretend the outrage is supportive of THEIR agenda, instead of implementing ours.

Well, it may take several election cycles, but they are going down if they actually try to legislate that way. In primaries.

 

What will we pledge to each other?

southcoast Thursday, September 23rd at 12:20PM EST (link)

Another round of statism, left or right, is not what Americans need.
Americans need to understand we are not obligated to each other than to not be a burden on one another.
By respecting each others rights and responsibilities as individuals can we all act together effectively in those cases of emergency rather than being forced to support each other daily.
By understanding our own rights and responsibilities as individuals we effectively eliminate the need for an omnipresent state in our lives.

 

Erick and all

swampgator Thursday, September 23rd at 2:13PM EST (link)

I realize that I’m in the minority here — first I’m a woman – which is a minority on here. Second I’m a converted Republican. I note that many on here are more conservative. So I shall tell it like I see it from a woman’s point of view.

I don’t give a Beaver’s Butt who the Republicans run in 2012. I will vote for whomever they put out there. I am sick and tired to this yammering about everything the Republicans do – and those comments are from Republicans. Just vote to get Obama and Michelle out of my house!!! I don’t care how we do it. Just get them out of there!

I was a Democrat yo those years ago — went Independent – and now have embraced the Republican Banner. Which I carry and fight for each day. Am I a conservative? Not sure. I don’t care. Most women I know don’t. We just want Obama gone. We are working our butts off working for candidates across this country. The phone banks, the rallies, the individual talks we give. And, at the present time, we are glad to see the Republicans doing something – it takes small baby steps to get something rolling. Most of us are employed full time and do this on our own time. Everytime I go to do my volunteering I notice a lack of males. If you’re going to complain then do somehting about it!

Let’s take the baby steps and walk in lock step together. All of you whiners sound like a bunch of old ladies bitching. Get over it.

 

just got *quoted* on Kelly's America. :) /nt

Veronica (Diary) Thursday, September 23rd at 2:15PM EST (link)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Pray as if everything depends on God, and work as if everything depends on us. – St. Augustine

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

For the tenth time...

budparker Friday, September 24th at 4:40AM EST (link)

Here is a weird thought for a “Pledge.” What would happen if the Congress and the POTUS adhered to the Constitution; specifically the Tenth Amendment? It is not a complicated sentence nor difficult to comprehend. Apparently, it is remarkably restrictive to an out of control Federal Government.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

Imagine if all the unconstitutional laws and programs were instantly repealed! The budget deficit would vanish…

“First Shirt”

“Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. ” – Thomas Paine

 

Erick and Beck are pretty much the only ones in the media being critical on the Pledge

NHConservative0227 (Diary) Friday, September 24th at 8:43AM EST (link)

And I highly commend them both for it.

I was disappointed in Rush to hear him support it with no criticism. As for Hannity, I knew he’d be waving the palm palm’s.

On his radio show, Beck agreed with a caller that it’s ridiculous only to take spending back to 2008 levels. Like Beck said, maybe take spending back to 1808 levels!!

Overall I agree with Erick, most of this stuff is things that the GOP should already be doing. It is pretty glaring that there is no pledge to ban earmarks, nothing about term limits, balanced budget amendment, etc.