We endorsed Chuck DeVore in the GOP California Senate primary over Carly Fiorina. We did so because of DeVore’s proven record of staunch conservatism — which he continues fighting for now, having just helped kill a California open-carry ban — but also because we didn’t really trust or know anything about Fiorina. Carly’s conservative record was thin to nonexistent, and there were many troubling signs that she held liberal views. From her praise of Jesse Jackson, to her playing the race and gender cards against DeVore, to her support for the Wall Street bailouts, to her qualified support for the Obama stimulus, to her past support for taxation of sales on the Internet, to her waffling on immigration, to her support for Sonia Sotomayor, to her Master’s thesis advocating greater federal control of local education, to her past support for weakening California’s Proposition 13, to her statement to the San Francisco Chronicle editorial board that Roe v. Wade is “a decided issue,” Carly Fiorina’s oft-repeated claim to be a “lifelong conservative” was only plausible in the universe of NRSC staffers who recruited her in the first place.
During the primary, Fiorina aggressively positioned herself to the right, aided by millions in self-funding and the support of a DC-based network more interested in her money and her connections than in any conservative principles. In addition to the NRSC’s unashamed support, Fiorina received the endorsement of major DC “pro-life” groups like the Susan B. Anthony List and the National Right to Life Committee — and got the backing of Gov. Sarah Palin and a host of DC Republicans, from Lindsey Graham to John McCain.
All these groups, and our supposed betters in the party establishment, fed us several lines on Carly: that no matter what her actual record said she was “one of us”; that she would hold to her conservatism in the general election and in the Senate; that she had a better chance of beating Barbara Boxer than Chuck Devore; and that even if she wasn’t conservative, she was still better than Barbara Boxer.
Whether the latter two are true or not, and I think for certain that Carly Fiorinia will be demonstrably better than Barbara Boxer, everything is hypothetical now except that those of us who knew better understood that in the general election, the great lurch left of center would begin.
Let’s not abandon Carly Fiorina, but lest you be under some impression that she’ll be solidly and forthrightly with us in the Senate, understand what you are getting.
The moment the great lurch left began came this past Wednesday, September 1st, in the televised debate between Carly Fiorina and Barbara Boxer.
In the debate, which was dominated — as I told you repeatedly during the primary that it would be — by Boxer going on offense over Fiorina’s time as CEO of Hewlett-Packard, Carly Fiorina let loose three bombshells on conservatives:
- She endorsed Federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research for “extra” embyros.
- She endorsed the California DREAM Act, which grants in-state tuition to illegal immigrants.
- She refused to endorse California’s Proposition 23, which suspends the job-killing AB 32 climate-change law.
On that last, Barbara Boxer was swift to respond: “If you can’t take a stand on Proposition 23, I don’t know what you will take a stand on.” Which brings us to the only time in the history of RedState we’ll agree with her. On September 3rd, her campaign sent out an e-mail saying she supports Prop 23 — not quite 48 hours after refusing to take a position in the televised debate with Boxer.
To restate all this, Carly Fiorina abandoned pro-lifers, immigration conservatives, and every Californian who can’t find work because of their state’s eco-radical legislation (she did try about 48 hours later to get that group back). Here’s the kicker: none of this is a surprise. At least, none of it is a surprise if you paid attention to Carly’s actual record, instead of her campaign claims.
So what now? Do we abandon Carly Fiorina? Polls show that she’s got an even shot at becoming the next Senator from California, which is better than any Boxer opponent has managed since 1992. Now that she’s shed any pretense of being a full-on conservative — and now that she’s apparently decided she doesn’t need her own party’s base — where does that leave us? Sure, she’s still better than Boxer. So is my dog, at least my hypothetical dog I intend to get and name Max once I have a house and yard big enough to accommodate a Chesapeake Bay Retriever.
Here’s what we need to understand from this:
- A candidate’s record always means more than the candidate’s rhetoric. Always.
- A liberal masquerading as a conservative is a feature, not a bug, of the NRSC and its allies.
- Many DC advocacy groups are more interested in the “DC” than the “advocacy” part (not to mention their win-loss record).
- Celebrity candidates don’t need you as much as they tell you.
- Your best guides to candidate selection are the Club for Growth and Senator Jim DeMint’s Senate Conservatives Fund.
If you’re in California, absolutely and willingly vote for Carly Fiorina. But do so understanding who Carly Fiorina actually is. The mask is off, and there’s a squishy moderate underneath. In the Golden State, the sad truth is that our best hope is to replace a radical with a RINO. Considering the choice we could have had, that’s a shame.
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Agreed on DeMint ... not surprised on Carly
Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 12:32PM EST (link)While I have been a supporter of Carly from the “she has a better chance to beat Boxer” point of view, I am surprised about Carly having lived through her years at HP.
The first thing you need to know about Carly is that it is about CARLY!
You, know, the kids show … I-CARLY …. that is what goes through Carly Fiorina’s mind every time she wakes up in the morning.
This is one of those races where I can’t support Boxer over Carly so I re-sort to just falling to my knees and saying “God, put the least worse of those two in office in November, Amen.”
As for DeMint, I think that I agree that he is currently one of the only politicians that I wholeheartedly like.
I would really, really like to see the NRSC and the NRCC take a “no primaries” stand and just save their cash for the general.
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The lesser of two evils may be evil. . .
msctex (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 12:54PM EST (link). . .but call it the Scott Brown Paradigm: in a handful of instances, even a token Conservative is infinitely better than the alternative, and is as well all that could really be hoped for in a district that would ever elect the incumbent in question.
"One of us," says the party establishment, and we see what that's worth. (nt)
Locked and Loaded (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:00PM EST (link)"One of us," says the party establishment, and we see what that's worth. (nt)
Locked and Loaded (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:00PM EST (link)Oh Please
mboyle1988 (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:02PM EST (link)PLEASE guys, just PLEASE. Carly is not a RINO. RINO=Kirk, Castle, Collins, Snowe. Carly also said in the debate that if there were a chance to overturn Roe vs. Wade, she would do so. I support embryonic stem cells on leftover cells that will be thrown out anyway. Does that make me a RINO? Try telling that to my friends. I’m the most conservative guy on Duke’s campus, hands down.
Carly isn’t Sharron Angle. Sharron Angle would lose by 20 to Reid if the election were in California. But, the Dream act does not equal amnesty, stem cells do not equal abortion, and she ended up coming out for Prop 23 or whatever anyway. So what if she slipped in the debate for sake of not wanting to give Boxer a sound byte?
Chuck Devore would have lost by 20 to Boxer, and even if he did win, he’d certainly lose next cycle when the political climate worsened. Carly is a great Republican candidate, and we should all be thanking our lucky stars that we managed to get someone so conservative to run from California. The fact is, Carly will likely be more conservative than Dick Lugar, except Lugar is from a state that went to Bush by 21 points and Carly is from a state that voted for B Hussein by 21 points.
Stop with the whining. Stop with the ideological purity tests. Start rallying around the most conservative candidate with a chance in the general election. In Alaska, that means Joe Miller. In California, that means Carly Fiorina.
Regarding the rallying thing, isn't that kinda what Erick just got done saying?
RedBeard Tuesday, September 7th at 1:08PM EST (link)Yes, I’m sure it is. It’s right there in his post.
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It's there
vendoc Tuesday, September 7th at 3:28PM EST (link)but barely. And if you don’t read between the lines.
Spot on
rdelbov Tuesday, September 7th at 1:09PM EST (link)when was the last time CA had a pro-life senator? Carly F. may be only an 80% senator (stem cell issues) but that’s so far from Boxer’s big fat zero or really minus 20.
I don't think we've HAD a pro-life Senator
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:14PM EST (link)At least not in the Roe era when we started making such distinctions.
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"Chuck Devore would have lost by 20 to Boxer."
Joshua Trevino (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:11PM EST (link)There is no data to support this. None. The only data that exists, which are the primary-era hypothetical matchups, showed Chuck doing about as well as Carly against Boxer — and sometimes better.
Defend Carly, fine. I bet you can do that without false attacks against a real conservative warrior.
We are but warriors for the working-day.
Yeah that's totally nuts.
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:25PM EST (link)In a normal year, against Feinstein, 60/40 would sound right.
But in a GOP year, against Boxer, DeVore could win.
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Josh is right
Jason (Diary) Monday, September 13th at 7:25PM EST (link)In addition to the hypothetical match up polling, DeVore had one gigantic advantage over Carly that has already been an issue for her. Chuck and Tom Campbell were both quick to note that Carly would have a problem with Boxer as she would have to defend her terrible record at HP at every turn in the campaign. The debate was a perfect example. Erick comments about agreeing with Boxer being such a rarity, I would agree with her on one other thing. Why can Carly run on her HP record but gets distracted when Boxer attacks it? Boxer wants to know why she can’t examine the HP record if Carly is using it as the key part of her resume? We all knew this would happen, Carly would never be considered credible on other issues because of her HP record alone. Chuck did not have these skeletons. I would argue Chuck would be well ahead of Babs at this point as his positions on fiscal and energy issues alone make him far more mainstream right now. In addition, keeping the base happy was never an issue for him. Now there are plenty of conservatives who despite wanting Boxer out, are not lifting a finger for Carly. Easier to win over the moderates than the conservatives with the “anyone but Boxer” argument in my opinion.
Let's be careful with her, esepcially on the life issue
Sean (SIConservative) (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:44PM EST (link)I’m disappointed with, albeit not surprised by, Fiorina’s statement of support for ESCR. My sense, though, is that she hasn’t really given much thought to the issue. For all of the yelling on life issues, most people formulated their positions either within their families or through a personal experience. While powerful, those do not lend themselves to deep reflection on the biology and philosophy of the issue. Short of deep reflection, she may have simply given what she believed to be the most expedient response. Like it or not, that’s politics.
That said, campaigning and voting are two different things. If ESCR were to come before the Senate, I think Fiorina would listen to both sides of the issue much more intently than she has to date. ESCR is even less of an issue in the campaign than abortion, which is well behind jobs, health care, the environment, and immigration just to name a few. If the issue does come up, SBA-List and NRLC will be in a much stronger position to influence her than they would have been had they spent their time criticizing her.
I’m not suggesting that people be enthusiastic in voting for her. What I am suggesting, though, is that there could well be an opportunity here beyond simply supporting the lesser of two evils to get what we want if we play our cards right. Spending time criticizing her two months from Election Day, though, is like calling the big blind with pocket rockets in late position: we’re staying in the hand but not giving ourselves the best chance to win it.
I think that's nuts
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:46PM EST (link)How can anyone not be enthusiastic about knocking off Babs Boxer, the woman so stupid and so deranged as to make a spectacle of herself among Senators, a gang not exactly known for self-awareness?
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Very easily, Neil
Sean (SIConservative) (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:58PM EST (link)If a Castle or a Kirk were running against her, one could easily be forgiven for a lack of enthusiasm. I am not, mind you, putting Fiorina in the same category as those two, but was making my point to those who would.
No really
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 2:00PM EST (link)We’re talking about “Call me Senator” Babs Boxer, who challenged the Ohio electoral votes in 2008.
Seriously.
Barbara Freaking Boxer.
This woman would fail an IQ test.
She’s an embarrassment to the US Senate. This goes beyond politics of the moment.
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I understand the sentiment, but...
Sean (SIConservative) (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 2:22PM EST (link)is there a single Democrat in the Senate about whom you’d not be saying the same were they in a close race? I find it hard to see you, or me, for that matter, saying, “Sen. Landrieu (or Nelson, or Tester…)’s not so bad.” What’s more, could you really be enthusiastic about checking the box next to just any Republican’s name? The first vote I ever cast was against the Secretary of State, and let me tell you that I returned that ballot (absentee) in record time. To this day I hate the woman with a passion, but there’s no way I could honestly say that I enthusiastically voted for Rick Lazio.
Republicans and Democrats
kenchely Wednesday, September 8th at 1:55PM EST (link)When a real RINO is in the race, it is possible for a Democrat to run against him from the right. It doesn’t happen often; it did when Joe Lieberman beat Lowell Weicker, and there were some Democrats in Rhode Island who could have run against Lincoln Chafee from the right (Whitehouse, an out-and-out socialist, wasn’t one of them).
Boxer is less embarassing than Stabenow
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 2:25PM EST (link)and Boxer has had 1 surprising redemptive act: she refused to accep/returned (I don’t remember which) t a reward from CAIR.
As far as I can see, Stabenow has never done anything that was surprising or good.
Just saying that Boxer is merely the number 2 tool in the Democratic Senatorial box. Stabenow represents a state that has been in recession when CA was rocking and rolling, and yet she continues to be a lockstep nothing.
Its a close call, but I think Feinstein/Boxer beats Levin/Stabenow.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Never say never.
Menlo (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 3:39PM EST (link)She was one of four senators to vote against the light bulb ban a couple years ago.
It was surprising, though I wouldn’t call it significant. I’m not sure what her motive was in that.
“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter
OT
romans12n2 (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 3:10PM EST (link)I rode by Duke a couple times today. The scenery was nice. Well, at least 1/2 of it anyway. Gotta love Duke in late summer.
Oh Please yourself!
ihateliberals Wednesday, September 8th at 8:36AM EST (link)“People may believe what you say they will always believe what you do!”. Once Again being a Republican doesn’t make you a conservative. We have to have good strong conservative candidates to start the taking back of our nation. Since in the past being a Republican implied you were conservative doesn’t cut it anymore hence the Tea Party. George “RINO” Bush almost destroyed the GOP. We can’t let another Republican do that or one day there will be a real threat from a Tea Party.
Spot ON
greghalvorson (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 2:40PM EST (link)Perfect analysis–we should not be bashing this woman, it’s a waste of time an unproductive.
well
paddy1999 Thursday, September 9th at 12:23AM EST (link)carly is a conservative who shipped thousands of jobs to communist china..in other terms did she give american jobs to communists? is she going to do the same in california?
I Call "Troll" On This One
IJB Thursday, September 9th at 1:25AM EST (link)When the mod’s get a hold of you, you won’t be missed.
what?
paddy1999 Thursday, September 9th at 12:23PM EST (link)what do you mean? i am respectful , i use no profanity what do you want me to do ? give up my free speech? i know this website is for free speech . You dont agree to what i say why dont you tell me why ? give me your opinion on it. This is not china, carly sent my job away but not my freedoms.
Glass half full
RedBeard Tuesday, September 7th at 1:05PM EST (link)Life ain’t perfect. I’ll take an incremental improvement (Fiorina) over six more years of leftist crapola (Ma’am Boxer).
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As a CA resident...
Libertarian Republican Tuesday, September 7th at 1:14PM EST (link)I must say I find this dogmatic view of Carly silly.
There is a growing strain of libertarianism taking hold in this state (call it a gut feeling) and it’s progress will be slow but steady.
As an independent who votes reliably Republican (except for practical votes for the Libertarian party once in a while) I don’t believe DeVore EVER had a chance against Boxer. It’s a non argument. Looking for an ideologically pure party gets you nowhere.
I’m as fiscally conservative as you can get (FAIRtax anyone???) But I support Stem Cell research (in the private sector) and as radical as it may sound I support abortion early in a pregnancy but am adamantly against the infanticide or Partial Birth Abortion.
If I don’t have a place in the party, then it’s not much of a party
I am favor of cutting taxes under any circumstances and for any excuse, for any reason, whenever it’s possible.
- Milton Friedman
In the private sector...
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:15PM EST (link)Wow you are grossly misinformed on the facts and the issues. Get a grip and read sometime, will you?
The fight over ESCR has always, always been about government funding.
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I read often thank you.
Libertarian Republican Tuesday, September 7th at 1:47PM EST (link)Why be impolite? I was merely giving a background on my personal views not specific legislation. And ESCR is something that “some” pro-lifers would want banned all together so your statement is inaccurate.
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Because I'm tired of the woe-is-me whining
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:49PM EST (link)Your last line is just so full of yourself that I just can’t take you seriously.
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If you ascertain...
Libertarian Republican Tuesday, September 7th at 4:20PM EST (link)…a brief statement of belief in disagreement with your own as whining, there’s not much I can do to help you.
But I like a spirited debate as much as the next fella. You chart me a path to an ideologically pure GOP on social issues (financial matters are the common thread of which you will hear little debate among us) and I’d gladly detail how it is an absolute impracticality.
We are going to have vehement disagreements as people. But the common thread should always be that your hand does not go in my pocket and your legislation does not reach my bedroom.
“I don’t believe in a government that protects us from ourselves.” – Ronald Reagan
I am favor of cutting taxes under any circumstances and for any excuse, for any reason, whenever it’s possible.
- Milton Friedman
Assuming a fetus is a sentient human
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 6:16PM EST (link)which is a purely metaphysical, and scientifically unprovable, proposition, as is its counterfactual (that a fetus is not human/sentient), it would in fact be a betrayal of libertarian principles to deny and decline to enforce said fetus’ right to life per the standards of non-coercion/self-ownership. You must believe that a person’s parents own that person lock, stock, and barrel, which is, again, not a libertarian principle, to justify the abortion of a sentient being. IOW, whether or not ESCR banning, and abortion bans in general, are permissible under libertarian philosophy hinges on the humanity of the fetus.
Remember how I said that the humanity of the fetus is scientifically unprovable either way? That is true, in much the same way that I cannot scientifically prove that blacks are the metaphysical equivalent of whites. In both cases, however, scientific evidence can help us arrive at a conclusion as to metaphysical states: in the case of blacks, the Flynn Effect, comprehensive studies of blacks all over the world and their divergent intelligences (Indian blacks are more intelligent than the average population in the US, for example). Likewise, we have several facts at hand that help us make a similar determination vis a vis fetuses. We know for a fact that fetuses are alive by the biological definition of the word. We know that they are able to respond to outside stimulii, and interact with their surroundings by the second trimester. The consensus among developmental neurobiologists is that the fetus feels pain by the 26th week, but may feel pain earlier than that. Lower order brain functions begin by the 6th week in normal pregnancies. Higher order brain functions begin sometime in the second trimester in most cases, and have been observed to occur as early as the middle of the first trimester. Thus, the most scientific markers for sentience comparable to that of infants available to us indicate that a fetus is very much a sentient being at some point during the pregnancy. In Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and the US, it was in fact cutting edge biology and medicine, and not the Good Book, which led to widespread abortion bans in those countries during the 19th century, which is one reason that it was often connected to the suffrage, labor, and abolitionist movements, as well as to broader progressive movements. Continuing medical developments, like the now-famous ultrasounds and a greater understanding of fetal neuroscience, is even more assertive on these points: indeed, the longer developmental biology looks into the subject, the more evidence emerges that those scientific markers develop even earlier than was thought by their intellectual forebears. Fetuses, particularly by their second semester, have precious few differences from newborns, except that the latter escaped the vaginal canal and now have legal protection from those who would harm them. Thus, it is inconsistent to favor abortion to that trimester without also favoring legal ambivalence when it comes to infanticide at an early age.
For the purpose of argument, let’s say that I am wrong, and the abortionists were right: if that were the case, and I were guilty of passing any anti-abortion laws, I would be guilty of having denied millions of women access to their bodies for nine month, which lest it be downplayed, would be a travesty. OTOH, were I right and they wrong, they would be guilty of having stood by as millions upon millions of people were killed by their own flesh and blood. I think that we can agree that without the right to life (in the sense described by positive liberty), the right to property and self-ownership are naught but cheap sophism: after all, what can be more absolute or essential to self-ownership than control over one’s own life? Thus, all else being equal (50% chance of being right/wrong), it is more logical to favor the life of the infant than the right to property of the mother. All else not being equal, given the scientific facts and consensus in favor of the fetus’ claim to sentience that I listed, it is a greater travesty to deny people the right to any part of their lives in favor of the right of other people to determine the direction of a small slice of their lives.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Agreed, but the logic of sentience means that anybody not currently conscious
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 6:23PM EST (link)would be at risk. Its always about balancing risks, and I absolutely agree that life, liberty, and property is not an accidental order if you look at John Locke.
Speaking politically, there are more pro-life protectionists in the GOP who don’t care so much about tax rates than there are pro-choice folks with clear free trade and unabashed pro-free market tendancies.
If LibertarianRepublican was the head of the Michigan GOP, we wouldn’t have had a R governor in my lifetime. The Republican party would just be a larger version of the Libertarian party, and the D’s would have won virtually every presidential election since FDR.
Everybody except the one-legged social cons (and GC) underestimates the social cons.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I agree with you there
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 9:32PM EST (link)but I still think that a broadly secular argument is more appealing than the religious argument, which has had as much impact as it will ever have and frankly, is weaker than the argument that I laid out, especially if you attempt it from a sola scriptura viewpoint. A refined version of the secular argument covering the gaps that you mentioned (mine was the express version, in case you didn’t notice) has the potential to draw in converts in relatively untapped venues (I’ve had some success with the educated and the irreligious).
To debate your point about the pragmatism of abandoning social conservatives, I’m honestly not sure where that came from, but you’re correct: we could not win without social conservatives, and even though they and I do not share the same premises, on most issues, it’s close enough for government work (which, conveniently, is what we will be engaging in). I would also say that without libertarians and the libertarian-minded, the GOP wouldn’t have gotten anywhere, either. Precious few people vote solely based on social issues, and the western states (AZ, NV, NM) would never have joined the GOP agenda. Indeed, the original conservative agenda (stretching back to Coolidge and rebooting with Goldwater) had nothing to do with social issues, which were only grafted on with Reagan’s active courting of the group (which, it could be said, gained prominence in the Carter years). That’s fine to some extent; we certainly weren’t dizzy with success before then. However, their premises and goals are very different from those of conservatives, and should be handled accordingly. To use a battlefield analogy, social conservatives are our cavalry, and too many times I see us as a movement (and they themselves) wanting to thrust themselves headlong into pikes, in the sense that they try to achieve their goals at a federal level (which is not only pragmatically untenable, but something that causes friction between conservative groups). Social conservatives have many strengths, and many parts of their agenda overlap with those pursued by libertarians. They are very good at getting their agenda items passed at the state level, and federalism naturally suits them. They need to emphasize and prioritize these, and other, similarities (and libertarians must do the same), and de-emphasize explicitly Christian overtures (I say this as a Pentecostal Christian, in case you’re thinking that I say this out of shame or loathing for Christianity) if we’re to have a healthy (not to mention efficient and productive) relationship.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
I don't think that the "sanctity of life" is inherently a theological argument
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 9:46PM EST (link)Life, liberty, and property—John Locke was a political philosopher, not a theologian. I agree that the decision of when “personhood” under the law is determined is a risk/benefit analysis that favors life over liberty/property. I just don’t like the “sentience” analysis because it leads to problems in all sorts of other ways.
The extremely young, the sick, the old, and the sleeping are all vulnerable under a “sentience” analysis. Terry Schivo was clearly not sentient.
So, I was just being a nit picker about one word—time for me to get back to work.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Agreed
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 1:29AM EST (link)The problem is, sanctity of life has itself become a phrase without meaning; everyone is “pro-life” just as everyone is “pro-choice”, without seeing the trade-offs. What the phrase “sanctity of life” actually means, and how it is applied here, is an argument that is more often than not made theologically, rather than based on Lockean principles.
Also, I agree with you on sentience. I was going to write another section to my original post explaining that, but was pressed for time.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Actually, if you listen to Fiorina's response...
Sean (SIConservative) (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:55PM EST (link)she talks about ESCR, not federal funding for ESCR. Her response would not be inconsistent with a prohibition on federal funding.
I’d also point out that we actually should have a fight on ESCR beyond the prohibition of federal funding for its use.
The primary is over...
securitymom (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 9:19PM EST (link)I would rather see a diary about what we can do to win, rather then how much of a conservative Carly is or isn’t. She is the candidate, and she will get my vote, the vote of my husband and my children. Next year my Granddaughter will be able to vote, and I pray that “Call me Senator” Boxer will be hangin out by a pool somewhere. This is California, it hasn’t been since the great Ronald Reagon that any conservative has won. Just my opinion.
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dambama Tuesday, September 7th at 8:15PM EST (link)STFU and just vote Republican, hopefully Conservative Republican.
Fiorina, A PURE RINO, is better than boxer, A PURE OBAMINATION
fpete13527 (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:15PM EST (link)Hard to call her a pure RiNO when she's a three-exception pro-lifer (nt)
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Hard to call her a pure RiNO when she's a three-exception pro-lifer
dambama Tuesday, September 7th at 8:18PM EST (link)So is Harry Reid.
But Reid would never vote for a GOP majority leader (n/t)
Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 9:26PM EST (link)n/t
GOP numbers are important
indylawyer (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:26PM EST (link)Getting solid conservative leaders into office is important, and I hope we do that alot this fall. But raw numbers of Republicans are also important. They will help us control committees and procedures, and on really critical party-line votes they will be much easier to get than even the most conservative Democrat. As the Obamacare vote showed, when the chips are down it is better to have an Olympia Snowe than a Ben Nelson. And of course we very seldom have that choice, the Olympia Snowe-types almost always run against hard-core liberals.
Consider how much of the Democrats’ success in 2006 & 2008 was due to their decision to run lots of candidates campaign as conservatives in conservative districts. They carried a bunch of seats in both houses that they never could have won with an open liberal. And when it came time for those newly elected “conservatives” to vote on an absurdly left-wing agenda, they all fell in line with Pelosi. If they’d all run as liberals, the agenda would have been tied up by Speaker Boehner, or at least by a filibuster by 45 or more GOP senators.
So however much better a senator Chuck DeVore might make than Carly Fiorina, the reality is that DeVore would have been a severe underdog while Fiorina looks like at least an even shot. I’d much rather take a 50-50 shot at having Fiorina than a 20-80 shot at DeVore.
I wish I were reading this column AFTER we defeat Boxer and save America rather than now, when
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:35PM EST (link)it serves no useful purpose that can’t be served after Election Day and before Carly’s first vote in 2011. In other words, we can be reminded of prior predictions later. We have a job at hand now.
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Agreed
captkirc Tuesday, September 7th at 1:42PM EST (link)If this column serves to keep even a few California voters home on election day that would have otherwise voted for Fiorina then it is counterproductive.
It is also a stretch to paint Fiorina as is a Republican in Name Only (RINO) for what looks to me to be the high crime of being less conservative than one of the primary challengers she defeated.
live long and prosper - thanks captain - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:44PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Thank you gamecock!
red_oakster (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 3:25PM EST (link)Carly Fiorina is much more than a loaf half-full. While I don’t agree with her on some of these issues, she will be the most pro-life Senator from California in my memory.
BTW, thanks also for your piece on Daniels and the self-defeating nature of the truce. I don’t know whether you saw Robert George’s speech on why economic and social conservatisim belong together, but you should consider doing a diary on the theme. The link to Professor George is here:
http://www.torenewamerica.com/robert-george-no-mere-marriage-of-convenience
As much conservative tolerance in Ca
chihank Tuesday, September 7th at 4:18PM EST (link)Carly is campaigning as a pro-life Senate candidate in CA of all places. That deserves kudos. Unlike Meg Whitman, who says one thing in english and quite another thing in Spanish (esp. in regards to border security).
5555555555 - nt
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
thx for that comment and link oakster, and I have been and remain a huge Fiorina fan
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 12:07AM EST (link)She is one of our best TV debaters with liberals and will be a great Senator, despite some of her past statements and positions.
more later
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The FRACKING-FIVE GOES TO SIX
teapartynation Tuesday, September 7th at 1:45PM EST (link)Phony fiorina is just marginally better than babs “don’t call me ma’am” boxer, but for the benefit of all Americans, one must hope that the CA “voters” (which consist primarily of slugs, slackers, deadbeats, losers, liars, cheats, illegals and hollywood degenerates) are not so stoned from their medicinal pot that on election day they have enough mental capacity to caste a vote for something that’s better, even if only marginally.
If phony fiorina is elected, I fully expect her to join the underbelly of the US Senate where we find THE FRACKING-FIVE despicable, rino traitors who will continue to support d-crat socialist issues, and everybody knows who they are: AMNESTY-JOHN mccain, scott brown, collins, snowe and graham.
G'bye
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:48PM EST (link)This Californian say you can take all that and shove it.
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No points for the most hedged endorsement of all time?
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:54PM EST (link)Seriously, it was impressive in its own obnoxious way.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
No points for the most hedged endorsement of all time?
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:54PM EST (link)Seriously, it was impressive in its own obnoxious way.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
It was
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:55PM EST (link)You can just tell though when someone hates Republicans more than he hates Democrats.
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[Retread, disregard]
teapartyamerican Tuesday, September 7th at 3:17PM EST (link)At least TRY to see reality.
Truth? So Neil was right about you hating Republicans more than Democrats?
RedBeard Tuesday, September 7th at 3:21PM EST (link)And here I thought Neil was just being edgy and grumpy again. Mea culpa.
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Fiorina Is About The Best California Can Do
crosley (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 1:47PM EST (link)Unless you change the population of California, Fiorina is about as conservative a candidate as you’re going to elect statewide, and even then, the only reason she has a chance is because Boxer is such an awful candidate and 2010 will be a slaughter for Democrats.
In a normal election environment against a more milquetoast Democrat that didn’t rub so many people the wrong way, she wouldn’t have a chance.
Conservatives need people like Fiorina in order to form a governing coalition to enact any real reform. Fiorina will probably be about as conservative as Scott Brown, which was a huge improvement over Ted Kennedy.
You kidding?
mboyle1988 (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 3:55PM EST (link)Scott Brown supports gay freakin marriage. He’s pro-abortion. He voted for financial regulation. He’s a moderate on the environment. Now he’s more conservative I think than the Weird Sisters, but Fiorina will be at least an 80 on the ACF rating, which puts her closer to Cochran than Brown.
I agree-- And it's going to get worse here
constitutionalconservative (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 6:56PM EST (link)Again, 77% of under 30 voters in this state voted for Obama. It is all about Demographics and immigration of voters who don’t s necessarily share the values of our coalition.
I voted for DeVore, but frankly only to make a point– if I’d thought there was actually a chance he’d have won the primary– I probably would have voted for Firoina for practicality.
This is one of those “local voters” issu
I liked DeVore...
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 2:00PM EST (link)…but the couple times that I’ve talked with Carly I’ve come away with the impression that she’ll do all right.
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 2:01PM EST (link)That word changed my view of her.
I got pretty negative on her after reading her secondary education thesis, but… wow.
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Erickson KNOWS! That's why he's Top 10!
defenderofliberty Tuesday, September 7th at 4:04PM EST (link)As a Californian and someone who watched everything involving CAsen, DeVore PROVED he could mop the floor with Boxer in any debate. He has a mind that is so quick of mind he made supreme wit Dennis Miller laugh and impressed Glenn Beck with his wisdom and knowledge (Glenn doesn’t endorse candidates). DeVore was and is a TRUE defender of life and a proven conservative warrior. With the help of a Palin bump, like Joe Miller got (Miller was WAY down before the Palin endorse) he would have cleaned Boxer’s clock. If you accept Palin’s bump helped Miller and don’t factor the same for DeVore, you’re deluding yourself. It was the ONLY mistake Sarah (who I love and respect) made.
Anyone that says Chuck couldn’t have won (lose by 20 points? Really? Lame!) did not watch reality in the CAsen primary or debates. DeVore dealt in FACTS and his record. Carly may be our only choice now but all who debase DeVore are, yes, RINO enablers! You just won’t admit it.
Palin made the same mistake in New Hampshire
dambama Tuesday, September 7th at 7:57PM EST (link)She endorsed Kelly Ayotte over the more Conservative Ovide Lamontagne.
Both time she endorsed more liberal women over more Conservative male candidates. Is a pattern emerging?
Fiorina
drivlikejehu Tuesday, September 7th at 4:13PM EST (link)The bottom line with Fiorina is that she’s typical of the economic and political elite in this country. I don’t doubt she is right-of-center in that context. Can she be trusted on immigration? No. Energy issues? No. Those are areas where the elites are far out of step with the public, perhaps unsurprisingly given that ordinarily people suffer while the elites benefit.
That said, she hasn’t spent her life collecting checks from Uncle Sam (cf. Mike Castle). She is very smart and could contribute positively in those areas where her politics are in line with conservative principles. Fiorina’s general pro-life stance distinguishes her from most prominent current or former RINOs (e.g., Kirk, Castle, Specter, Chafee).
I do think DeVore could have won, but his odds were not as good and his primary campaign never really took off. Anyway, I really want to see Boxer lose… she is obnoxious and ignorant to a degree even few Democrats can aspire. Fiorina isn’t perfect but California is a Democratic stronghold- Republicans may as well support her.
De Vore is managing Huckabee CA PAC
chihank Tuesday, September 7th at 4:15PM EST (link)After losing the Senate priamry, Chuck De Vore is managing Huck PAC for CA. Thus De Vore will be increasing Huckabee’s presence in CA for the primaries.
He's not.
Joshua Trevino (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 4:32PM EST (link)He’s advised the CA HuckPAC operations, but he’s certainly not managing them.
We are but warriors for the working-day.
Fiorina
redtillimdead (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 5:33PM EST (link)Has stayed so Conservative in this race to where the NRSC and CA GOP officials are telling her to move to the center. She is a principled conservative who stayed true to her positions even after a tough primary, and in a tough general election. While Whitman swung left, Fiorina stayed right.
Nancy Pelosi can kiss my asstroturf.
I Cannot Find Anything I Disagree With, Here. 5. (nt)
IJB Tuesday, September 7th at 6:55PM EST (link)Both
pamela1631 (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 6:00PM EST (link)Give me a headache.
Neither is worthy -especially Babs- of our trust and good faith.
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We're past that stage, and on to the general election
RedBeard Tuesday, September 7th at 7:00PM EST (link)It’s really not necessary to adore Fiorina in order to vote for her. All we need to do is look at the disreputable wretch she would be displacing, and we can all be whole-hearted Fiorina supporters.
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Kind of common sense isn't it?----Californians
cactusjack Tuesday, September 7th at 7:43PM EST (link)unlike Dem voters in NJ, NY, Mass., can remember the 1980s and what a real, private $ector boom felt like – it felt good! So permit me the observation from afar, it seems California is common sensically turning to two candidates for Senate and Gov, who represent in their persons, not so much revolt or libertarianism, but *business sector prowess*, to help turn things around and create the job machine again. Don’t know if either can defeat the bulwark pensions set in place, but that’s the thinking. My thinking, reward the people of Calif, support Whitman and Fiorina, they just might have success, and we just might have an inroad to establishing high office real Republican presence in CA again. (I don’t know how to comment about Arnold, just that I saw him in a movie last week and he didn’t look very good or Terminatoring.)
As long as
pamela1631 (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 11:46PM EST (link)She doesn’t switch her stripes and emulate the disreputable wretch during the six years.
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That's where we come in
RedBeard Wednesday, September 8th at 7:41AM EST (link)No relaxing after the election. Holding Republican feet to the fire is going to be essential, if we are to continue to gain ground. We can’t allow a Republican majority to settle into that comfortable D.C. mindset and become a part of the problem.
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No slacking off
pamela1631 (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 5:40PM EST (link)Works for me.
I have to give a status report every week, she’ll need to do the same.
What say we figure out a To Do List for Ms. Carly once she gets elected. Here is what we want to have done and a critical path schedule for each item. If she ignores or belittles us, withhold any funding.
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Whatever it takes to derail zero
america1st (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 6:33PM EST (link)I preferred Chuck, but have little problem supporting Carly in the general. Knocking out babbling Babs Botox and some others only improves the gene pool. We may get some who are RINOs (unfortunately), but at least the first letter is R and she, particularly, is one heck of a lot more of an R than specter ever was on his most conservative days. Actually, I could even support him if he were Babs’ competition.
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With this Republican tide or "wave" ...
dambama Tuesday, September 7th at 7:49PM EST (link)Chuck DeVore could beat the boxers off Boxer. It only gets worse for the democrats as November approaches.
RINO or Boxer? Difficult to choose?
tomato (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 8:18PM EST (link)Even if Fiorina is a RINO, without her they may be no GOP majority in the Senate. With her, she may stand strong with the majority rather than a maverick standing with the minority 49. That won’t happen with Boxer.
Her victory will open a door to a (more) conservative candidate to challenge the other CA Senate seat.
I wish you were right
MF (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 12:30PM EST (link)But Feinstein is firmly entrenched. There is no way any R could beat her in today’s environment, as anti-establishment and pro-conservative as it is. She is well-liked and respected by a very large majority of Californians, which is the opposite of Boxer. And we’re looking at a huge struggle just to defeat Boxer. I highly doubt having one R senator in CA is likely to lead to a pull for a second. In fact, I think it would energize the D base even more to avoid the atrocity (in their view) of a second R senator.
I see no chance for a Feinsteinectomy, whether or not we can defeat Boxer this cycle.
I'll Make a Prediction Now - Feinstein Won't Run Again
IJB Wednesday, September 8th at 12:58PM EST (link)Feinstein is getting pretty old. I predict she won’t run again, and will retire after her current term is up.
If I’m right, it’ll be interesting to see what an ‘open seat’ Senate race looks like in California in 2012 with the current macro-political environment…
Great Post, Everything You Said Also Applies to Ayotte
NHConservative0227 (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 9:29PM EST (link)in terms of being a RINO. People in NH and all conservatives have a chance to support Ovide as the real conservative in the NH senate primary. Check out Erick’s post from yesterday (Ovide Lamontagne Rising in NH) to see 10 points that illustrate how much they differ and how much of a RINO Ayotte really is.
You know, every time I see a threadjack like this...
Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 10:15PM EST (link)…I associate my irritation with it to the candidate that it’s ostensibly trying to support.
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Great Post, Everything You Said Also Applies to Ayotte
NHConservative0227 (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 9:29PM EST (link)in terms of being a RINO. People in NH and all conservatives have a chance to support Ovide as the real conservative in the NH senate primary. Check out Erick’s post from yesterday (Ovide Lamontagne Rising in NH) to see 10 points that illustrate how much they differ and how much of a RINO Ayotte really is.
A "squishy moderate" may make the best Senator
eastbaylarry (Diary) Tuesday, September 7th at 9:59PM EST (link)that California has had in decades. Now that MY candidate, DeVore, has lost the primary, I’m all in for Carly.
2+2=4 dammit!
All Hands On Deck
tollen Tuesday, September 7th at 11:34PM EST (link)At this moment in time, Vassar Bushmills’ is spot on:
“From where the sun now stands, there is ONE THING, and ONLY ONE THING ONLY for the next sixty days…and that is getting every possible Republican elected to Congress. I didn’t say Conservative although I wish it were so. I said Republican. Had Bob Bennett won in Utah I would have included him. Had Charlie Crist not pussed out against Marco and gone on to beat him in the primary, I would have included him. The same for Lisa Murkowski and Mike Castle. Only for that SkuzzyFlavor woman in NY-23 would I balk.”
Sorry, still can't, and WON'T, vote for her
yankeedoodledandette Wednesday, September 8th at 5:41AM EST (link)Given that even in the GOP the recidivism, er, I mean, incumbent rate is 99%, I will NOT be voting for Fiorina for HER to reign for the next 20 years.
No way, no how.
California, and CRP/GOP establishment, you really screwed us…no matter who wins this race. (Same goes for Meg-A-Millions, too.)
It’s time to quit living in denial about our own CORRUPT PARTY that threw former Gov candidate (and RINO extreme) Campbell in the race JUST to undermine DeVore; making it a two person race between Fiorina and Campbell and ignoring DeVore all together.
This isn’t a GAME! And what I am saying is not “sour grapes”….I will be voting for your non-existent dog, Erick. Hope he/she wins!
Cutting off your nose to spite your face is not
davesinsanantonio (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 7:42AM EST (link)a good political strategy either short or long term. Letting Boxer back in for six more years does not mean she will not be there for the twenty. In other words, Fiorina for twenty is still much better than Babs for even six! Voting for the worst case, or not voting for the slightly better case, is just plain stupid.
Maistre said it best, “Each people gets the government they deserve.”
You may deserve Boxer, but none of the rest of us do. So, do your fellow citizens a favor and vote for Fiorina–even if you have to hold your nose while you do it.
Let me guess
RedBeard Wednesday, September 8th at 7:46AM EST (link)You’re one of the people who handed Obama the keys to the White House by refusing to vote for that awful old John McCain, right?
If you mean what you say, then you want Boxer to win. There goes your credibility.
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The Bright Side of Obama
Liberty2076 (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 8:29AM EST (link)Is that having a crystal clear Progressive, and even Marxist option on the table has alienated the Independents that broke Dem and mobilized the Conservatives in a way that I have never seen in my lifetime, not even in the runup to Reagan’s election.
It has had the effect of awakening a whole generation of ‘Reagan boomers’ and there is a line of true Reagan conservatives in every district who will step up to the plate for the next several election cycles.
He has done incalculable damage to the country, but has also done incalculable damage to the electability of a Progressive majority for many years.
Would McCain have put a Republican stamp on the Stimulus? Based on his support for Tarp, I think he might have. The damage to the Republican brand would have been huge. We don’t want to have anything to do with the systematic indenture of future generations to gain power today, because the people see it for what it is.
The Republicans need to provide a clear alternative that is a comprehensive way of governing Constitutionally in the 21st century.
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Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 7:49AM EST (link)Conservative in the primary, Republican in the General.
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G'bye
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 10:01AM EST (link)Then go play at Daily Kos.
RiNOs like you help the Democrats keep systematic mass infanticide in this country.
Hope you’re proud of yourself.
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Take off your blinders
prior21us Wednesday, September 8th at 4:17PM EST (link)This is the problem with “conservatives” that believe that they cannot vote for someone who they believe doesn’t fit their ideals. I live in CA, and supported DeVore, but realistically, his bid was a longshot. We can argue his chances of beating Boxer all day long, but it is a moot point now. I have no special love for Carly. I worked at Compaq when HP bought them out, I thought it was a bad idea, and it was for Compaq employees, we were the ones targeted for lay offs after the merger. I managed 5 years after that, but after 20 years of service, and nearly 60 I was laid off, and not able to find work in that profession since. I admit I’m a bit pissed at her for that whole debacle, as were the Board of Directors that ousted her shortly after the merger. ANYWAY, I will still support her in the general. It is what we as conservatives HAVE to do. We are not always going to get the perfect conservative candidate. Not now, probably not ever. But, rather than sit at home and complain, get out and vote, and vote for the R even if it is not your idea of the perfect candidate. Staying at home, or voting for a D, or an I will get us nowhere. That is what got us the Administration and Congress that we now have. God help us if we do that again because of our selfish pride.
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Who are you working for?
nunleigh Wednesday, September 8th at 7:35AM EST (link)The primary is over, and we have our candidate in Fiorina. First you diss Christine O’Donnell and now you diss Fiorina. Maybe not intentionally, but you begin by stating everything she has ever done that you disagree with. We did not get DeVore, so let’s support Fiorina. Has CNN turned you? As I stated in my comment on your Delaware clarification, your voice is powerful, Erick. Please don’t do the devils work. If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all. Fiorina is edging ahead, and I would love to see Barbara Boxer out. Our government has become a joke, and Boxer is the head clown.
RINO, but not Boxer
ac7880 Wednesday, September 8th at 8:34AM EST (link)Carly IS a RINO, but she in NOT a Boxer, and so gets my grudging support.
Carly LISTEN UP. We will help put you in, and if you go left, if you go RINO you will get one term. We will yank your butt right back out next cycle and put a conservative in. DO YOU HEAR ME CARLY?
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Christine (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 9:11AM EST (link)This is the point that needs to be made, over and over.
We CAN’T expect every GOP seat to be held by a VRWC Tea Party Conservative within 2 years of “waking up”. The libs worked for 40+ years to get things the way they are. Some battles will take longer to win. While we are waiting for that, what we MUST do is make sure the Carlys out there know this, loud and clear:
“You ran as a conservative. Stay a conservative and you’re fine. You go squishy, you get another huge primary challenge, and we’ll fight tooth and nail to be sure you are a one-termer. Period.”
We have to hold EVERY politician accountable to their statements and promises.
The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.
“I would be a poor Commander in Chief”
– Barack Obama, July 3 2008
Whatever the election results in California...we gotta live with 'em
qurys Wednesday, September 8th at 8:55AM EST (link)and the same is true for the other 49 (or is it 56?) states. I would vote for Fiorina over Boxer in a heartbeat. I would vote for Erick’s imaginary dog Max over Boxer. Fiorina has not lied to my face and Boxer has. But all of us conservatives….Republicans….pro-life Republicans…..pro ESCR Republicans….sorta pro-life Republicans…:Libertarians….we all better get used to the idea that some of these candidates, after the election, are going to fail us. The conservative movement and the Tea Party gave them their talking points. And whether or not these talking points are actually principles will only be borne out over the next couple of years. As Obama has made painfully and abundantly clear, campaigning is a whole lot different from governing. I am ready to be disappointed by any candidate. I don’t know which one. But I am ready. This is housekeeping. You don’t do it once and then walk away only to come back a couple of years later questioning why the house is dirty. You keep at it. As my friend from Arkansas says, “At the Prom, you dance with them that brung ya”. Voters need to realize that we are the lead in this two step dance to socialism and if or when necessary, get a new partner.
Whatever the election results in California...we gotta live with 'em
qurys Wednesday, September 8th at 8:55AM EST (link)and the same is true for the other 49 (or is it 56?) states. I would vote for Fiorina over Boxer in a heartbeat. I would vote for Erick’s imaginary dog Max over Boxer. Fiorina has not lied to my face and Boxer has. But all of us conservatives….Republicans….pro-life Republicans…..pro ESCR Republicans….sorta pro-life Republicans…:Libertarians….we all better get used to the idea that some of these candidates, after the election, are going to fail us. The conservative movement and the Tea Party gave them their talking points. And whether or not these talking points are actually principles will only be borne out over the next couple of years. As Obama has made painfully and abundantly clear, campaigning is a whole lot different from governing. I am ready to be disappointed by any candidate. I don’t know which one. But I am ready. This is housekeeping. You don’t do it once and then walk away only to come back a couple of years later questioning why the house is dirty. You keep at it. As my friend from Arkansas says, “At the Prom, you dance with them that brung ya”. Voters need to realize that we are the lead in this two step dance to socialism and if or when necessary, get a new partner.
tweedle dee or tweedle dumb
bwakefield Wednesday, September 8th at 9:54AM EST (link)I was asked by someone in the audience during one of my “incumbent” presentations: “how do I tell if the candidate I am going to vote for is tweedle dee or tweedle dum?” HMMMM!
Really, if an election comes down to voting for piece of crap 1 versus piece of crap 2, then voting rule #16 must apply. “Don’t vote for the INCUMBENT!
Good advice!
capeconservative Wednesday, September 8th at 10:30AM EST (link)And be prepared to suffer mightily when your new senator decides to stand with the Snowe/Collins duo…I know…it makes you want to throw up in your mouth!
Sure wish the Mainers would find some true Republicans to replace these two. I have never had the occasion to think highly of either of them. And when our newly elected senator chose to have his name spoken in the same sentence with theirs, I literally cried with disappointment!
PS I sent Chuck DeVore $$$ support from across the country! As I did to Joe Miller and Ken Buck and many other successful CONSERVATIVE candidates! I agree with Erick – I contribute through Jim DeMint – that way I KNOW the people receiving our $$ are deserving. Spending much more money this way, but feel so much better than previously sending to the national committee only to be squandered! Michael Steele MUST be replaced!!!
When I said she was a weirdo
Warrior (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 11:19AM EST (link)a while ago, I didn’t mean because of the short hair resulting from chemo. I meant she is a weirdo. At least, to the folks in the other 56 states. Compared to Babs “Yes M’am” Boxer, she’s about as normal as can be…especially in CA…
“Racial criteria are irrational, irrelevant, [and] odious to our way of life.” — Thurgood Marshall for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund in the 1950 Supreme Court case of McLaurin v. Oklahoma
Oh come on, Erick!
alexpope (Diary) Wednesday, September 8th at 1:02PM EST (link)Reagan said that the person he always voted for was the most conservative candidate who had a chance to win. Carly is that candidate. Chuck Devore got 17 percent of the vote in the primary. You can boost him all you want but he’s not on the ticket. Carly is. She deserves the vote of conservatives, as you rightly say.
The most important Republican thus far voted into office in 2010 is Scott Brown, and he is also moderate on many issues. Would you have rather had Martha Coakley as the Mass. senator because somehow Brown is not ideologically correct on every issue that matters to conservatives? That’s silly. Being a conservative doesn’t mean you put on a straightjacket and everyone thinks alike, which I know you agree with. But keep up the good work, my man! We’re with you all the way out here in La-La Land.
No surprises here...
reaganitesunite Wednesday, September 8th at 1:37PM EST (link)…just the latest reason we should have elected Chuck DeVore instead!
Another
gunslingr45 Wednesday, September 8th at 7:16PM EST (link)5 PM delivery of my morning news. What is up with that?
ANYWAYS- If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a liberal for sure, no matter what follows their name, R OR D OR C (commie)
When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.
~Thomas Jefferson~
Are there any conservatives left
awunsch Wednesday, September 8th at 8:21PM EST (link)in CA? I was there when prop 13 passed (and voted for it). I voted against medical pot just before I left the state and told my nurse friend that voted for it that it was a mistake. Southern CA, San Diego and Orange County, used to be conservative but don’t recognize CA anymore. Do those people, like Pres Obama, think that you can’t go bankrupt? In the end, they will get what they deserve. Maybe, at least, we will get rid of Boxer in the process.