From the NRA press release on the day of the Citizens United decision, Wayne LaPierre called the decision “…a defeat for arrogant elitists who wanted to carve out free speech as a privilege for themselves and deny it to the rest of us.”
In fact, these days I cringe when I see good conservatives with their lifetime member sticker from the NRA on the back of their cars. I support Gun Owners of America, which is a consistent and uncompromising defender of the second amendment, not a weak little girl of an organization protecting itself while throwing everyone else under the bus.
But that’s what the National Rifle Association is doing. You and I are willing to stand together because we know we either stand together or hang separately. The NRA legislative strategy in the past few years has been to hang everybody else so they can be the last man standing — more interested in maintaining the veneer of bipartisanship than actually standing up for the second amendment.
The Democrats are trying to come up with a new law to respond to the U.S. Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision on campaign finance rules. The NRA had objected to the Democrats’ proposal, but then secured a carve out for themselves from the legislation and have dropped their objection.
The new agreement would exempt organizations that have over one million members, have been in existence for more than 10 years, have members in all 50 states, and raise 15 percent or less of their funds from corporations, from the disclosure requirements. The NRA, with four million members, would fall into the exempted category and will not oppose the DISCLOSE Act now, according to Democratic sources.
So if you are a small organization that just started up to defend freedom, you are screwed. But if you’ve been collecting a large file of members for decades off the image of Charlton Heston while repeated screwing conservatives, you’ll be safe.
This is just the NRA not wanting competition for itself. If they were really committed to freedom, let alone the second amendment, they should be encouraging more freedom loving, second amendment loving organizations to rise and fight. Instead, they are collaborating with the left to shut out competition.
Remember, the NRA had to be cajoled into opposing Sotomayor.
The NRA refused to oppose the most anti-gun Attorney General nomination in American history.
The NRA supported Dede Scozzafava and it attacked Marco Rubio.
Now the NRA is endorsing the Democrat in Ohio against John Kasich while collaborating with the Democrats on restricting the freedom of speech.
Remember, the NRA also opposed taking the Heller case to the Supreme Court because it was too scared of what might happen.
Gun Owners of America never compromises on the Second Amendment.
The one bit of good news here is that Mitch McConnell is a serious first amendment advocate and while I’ve been open with my criticisms of him, he and I typically stand shoulder to shoulder on this issue and I hope he’ll kill it off in the Senate.
KnightsofMalta
Steve Maley
Caleb Howe
EW!!! nt
taxpayer1234 (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 3:38PM EST (link)Sorry, you're wrong on this one
FreedomIsLearned (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 11:09PM EST (link)Erick, much as I respect your posts on other things, you misunderstand quite a few things about the NRA.
1. The NRA is single-issue. It is not a freedom lobby–it is a gun-rights organization. The right to arms is part of freedom, but the NRA doesn’t make calls on economic or any other kind of freedom. You have to weigh the other issues yourself, as it should be (for a single-issue group). That won’t change, and it shouldn’t. If they did as you desire, they would no longer carry the tremendous weight they carry among, for example, conservative Southern Democrats. We have no renewed AW ban or any other gun control legislation solely because the NRA pwns congress, and they do so because they are single-issue. The rest of the world has to be saved by others.
2. Related to that, I’m sorry to say we Republicans overestimate our party’s support for gun rights. Especially in California, the party routinely asks for gun votes and then delivers nothing–just exactly the complaint of small-government conservatives. We need to be earning those votes, not complaining when someone points out we have no clothes. Case in point:
3. Your objections are incoherent. You prefer GoA because it is “no compromise,” and then take them to task for opposing John Kasich. Kasich voted for the Clinton AW ban twice, voted for the Hughes amendment, and voted against repealing the AW ban. His F rating was well deserved, and as a single-issue organization the NRA would be derelict if it took any other position than it has. You’re asking them to compromise, but they didn’t.
4. The NRA initially opposed Heller because it was a loser as long as Sandra Day O’Connor was on the bench, and frankly Gura was green and unknown. You may complain they were rather conservative later on, but you didn’t, and the NRA’s meddling with McDonald seems to have been rather ham-handed, but their early complaints about Heller were quite reasonable. Fortunately, we got lucky with the timing, and Alan Gura turned out to be a rock star Second Amendment lawyer.
5. The fact is the GoA is ineffective, because it doesn’t know how to lobby at all. “No compromise” is a code word for “politically stupid.” The GoA can take any position it wants, and it doesn’t matter (except to get donations). We lost our rights incrementally, and we’ll get them back the same way. They also don’t *think*–the CA state affiliate nearly managed to get us Constructive Possession of CA “AWs” thanks to ill-conceived lobbying. That was compromise, the thing they claim not to do. CalNRA pulled that one out of the fire–barely. That kind of thing, plus general ineffectiveness, is why I no longer belong to GoC or GoA.
6. The NRA sometimes appears inconsistent because it plays to win, not feel good. You should recognize this–we backed Scott Brown because he was the best that could win in Mass, not because he was a real conservative. We compromised–because we were playing to win. The NRA often has to play it the other way–here in California, it is very easy to run against the NRA, so often they will not endorce a friendly candidate because it does more harm than good. In the primary just past, they did a couple of “anybody but X” endorsements in three-way races, which is a good way of penalizing an enemy without giving the other side an easy target.
One of those was “anybody but Tom Campbell,” which is a case where their single interest happened to align with the broader
conservative cause. But they’re not the gun-rights wing of the Tea Party movement–they were here first and do their one job well, much better than you seem to think. The more I learn about the inside politics of gun rights, the more I understand why they do what they do. They drop the ball sometimes, but they’re the most effective gun-rights organization in America.
Gun freedom without free speech?
hunter (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 8:25AM EST (link)Not sustainable or likely.
I think the NRA needs to revisit its roots and discover that the Constitution is not a document that bears up to parsing.
Perhaps the NRA will go the way of the AARP and end up being hijacked by lefties and become a democrat front.
hunter
agreed
tankertodd (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 11:14AM EST (link)I’m not buying Erick’s argument although I don’t agree with the NRA on carving themselves out a niche. In the end, the NRA is self-interested. Shocker.
Besides the NRA Convention is AWESOME – you must go if you have the means.
———————————
The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race – Chief Justice Roberts
Supporting gun rights??
wayneepalmer Tuesday, June 15th at 2:17PM EST (link)The NRA is big on gun rights when it gets them in the national news, but, when it’s an act of local fascism against law-abiding citizen a you are not around to be found.
When Brad Krause was rousted by the City of West Allis (Wisconsin) police for exercising not only his Second Amendment right to bear arms but the Wisconsin right to open carry a side arm in a holster IN HIS OWN BACK YARD, the NRA refused to not only provide ANY help, but wouldn’t even solicit for anyone to back Brad up.
It wasn’t a big case and it was eventually thrown out, but not before Brad lost his job and his standing in the community (a person who works as a property manager is unlikely to be employed if controversial or has a firearm violation), lost large sums of cash, and finally had his firearm destroyed by the city who left him with the threat that – no matter what state or Federal law said – the next time he was in public with a firearm (even on his own property), they’d lock him as a violent threat to the community.
True peace between two enemies has only ever been acheived when one side has utterly defeated the other…if you doubt this truth visit Nagasaki sometime.
Simply because the NRA was excluded does NOT mean they had a hand in it!
another_patriot Monday, June 21st at 10:34AM EST (link)In case you haven’t seen the other thread, here is the NRA’s statement on this issue. I received this e-mail today:
“The NRA has never supported — nor would we ever support — any version of this bill. Those who suggest otherwise are wrong. ”
“I can assure you that I would never countenance a “deal” of the sort you think the NRA made with Congress to further Democratic attempts to restrict political speech. I consider such restrictions to be not only repugnant, but blatantly unconstitutional, an opinion shared by NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and Institute for Legislative Action Executive Director Chris Cox…
“…Last week Democratic leadership in the House capitulated by agreeing to exempt the NRA from the act — not in return for NRA support, but to avoid a political war that might cost them even more seats this fall.
“I have to tell you that I never thought the Democrats would agree to this — not because they have much regard for constitutional rights — because I didn’t believe their left wing would allow it. The events since their capitulation convince me that their fear of NRA retaliation forced them to take steps that split their coalition and could easily doom the whole bill.” – David Keene, NRA First Vice-President
I’m not saying I agree about it either way, as I don’t know enough about the issue, but I thought everyone should at least hear their words before attacking them. We must be EXTREMELY careful to sever support and ties to those that further our cause. “United we stand, divided we fall.” We will lose when we start fighting amongst ourselves.
I think the NRA has earned a lot of our support over the years and they should be given more opportunity to explain themselves because of that trust. So, rather thank just taking a tidbit of news someone heard somewhere and running with it, I think we should get information from both sides before discrediting either.
Drat! I wish that you had posted this earlier
Michael M. Keohane (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 3:53PM EST (link)I signed up for a years membership in the NRA this month. I had never been a member although I had used the American Rifleman’s articles while I was instructing marksmanship in the Army in the 1960′s. I guess I joined up for the magazine not for the politics.
Do not classify the words or deeds of your opponents as being hatefull, malicious or criminal in nature if they can also be easily characterized as simple ignorance or gross stupidity. Anon.
Drop the NRA membership
gwalt Monday, June 14th at 5:35PM EST (link)Do they refund? Ask for one.
Then join GOA.
“A lot of briefing for a 2 hr. special with Dan Rather. Saw the show & wonder why we bothered”. –Ronald Reagan, The Reagan Diaries (January 27, 1982)
join GOA, but don't leave the NRA
Doc Holliday (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 8:37PM EST (link)people should get the minimum for membership and tell them they are going to give only to the GOA. The NRA is huge, slow, and creaky. The NRA often is the last to join a new cause and then they take credit if that cause wins. An example of this is the recent repeal of the gun ban in National Parks. However, leaving the NRA makes little sense.
We want to change the Republican party but we don’t want to leave it right? Why can’t we take over the NRA political organization as we are doing with the Republican party?
The reality is the GOA is tiny compared with the NRA. We can change that by adding to GOA membership rolls, but we also have to be realistic. The NRA is our most powerful lobby against the leftist gun grabbers. It is better if we ad to the NRA and make them do what we want, not what a few inside the beltway types think is “pragmatic”.
Molon Labe!
Exactly, Doc
tcgeol (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 10:05PM EST (link)The NRA is far from perfect, but they are the gorilla in the room when it comes to RKBA. We need them, just as we need GOA and JPFO (check them out if you’ve never heard of them). We can change the NRA into what it should be, and the truth is that they have clout that we need, even if it isn’t being exercised as it should right now.
Just your typical bitter gun- and God-clinger
Even the Left admits we’re Right
right tcgeol
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 7:12PM EST (link)state and local 2A groups can be some of the most effective. These are the people that lobby state legislatures and actually get laws changed on the ground.
Molon Labe!
Thanks Doc Holliday
wattsburg0 (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 11:24AM EST (link)I went from pissed off to enlightened faster than a progressive can pick my pocket. The only problem with this is you have an advantage in changing the GOP. You can donate money directly to the candidate you like rather than the GOP as a whole. I almost dropped a grand for a life time membership before I read this post. I am going to have to think a bit about it now though to see what kind of change can be made simply by joining the organization. My dad was the one who talked me into joining finally he is going to be a bit disappointed now but what can ya do. Their are organizations out there I am going to bump up over them right now and the GOA is one I will look into. I am not in a mood to compromise anymore. Compromising over the last 100 years has put us in the position we are today and it is not a good one.
I rarely pay for more than a couple of years at a time.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 2:08PM EST (link)You want a string to yank (no matter how small) when they get something wrong. A lost or canceled membership because of a bad position is just that sort of string.
On the whole, they do more good than harm, but they do need to be chastised occasionally.
ya
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 7:16PM EST (link)we should be calling them but keep this in house. This is a bad time for infighting, we are months away from a possible huge win.
Molon Labe!
GOA is good
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 7:15PM EST (link)also check for state organizations. Probably the most effective is Virginia’s Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL). THey have actually changed laws in Virginia and nationally (gun in national parks) See if your state has a similar organization with proven results. I think most states have them now.
Molon Labe!
my key point is this
Doc Holliday (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 7:17PM EST (link)don’t leave any gun organization, just get involved with more and give your real money and time to your favorite.
Molon Labe!
Ummm...
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 4:00PM EST (link)Carving out special exceptions is not, in my opinion, equal protection under the law… the question is will a judge apply the special exception to everyone else or will it be thrown out so that everyone is treated equally? Who’s appointing judges at the moment?
Sigh…
Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
http://www.zazzle.com/enemy_of_the_statist_tshirt-235977043035297478
But it is politics as usual.
Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 4:42PM EST (link)Or, as Obama calls it, “transparency.”
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
They have endorsed Jerry Brown in CA
philbo Monday, June 14th at 4:05PM EST (link)But then again, considering Meg Whitman is the competition, what difference does that make?
Pasadena Phil
I think we must keep in mind that the NRA
Tbone (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 4:11PM EST (link)is a very large and very complex organization that is involved in firearms training,(every police department has NRA certified instructors), shooting competitions, range development, grants for gun related programs, wildlife program support, hunter education, firearms safety program, etc. Political lobbying is only a part of its agenda.
Many of its members are the old line, lunch pail, union member Democrats that the Party has left behind. Also, in having to interact with governments on all levels in support of the programs listed above, many of those governments are controlled by Democrats and the NRA is compelled to be, or appear, non-partisan.
While I personally believe there is really no such thing as a reliable pro-gun Democrat vote, I also understand that the NRA does not have the luxury of sharing that view.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Much of This Thinking Could Be Applied To AARP...
IJB Monday, June 14th at 6:42PM EST (link)…And frankly it doesn’t cut it anymore. It’s time to stop making excuses for these politically bankrupt organizations.
Anyone who’s a conservative shouldn’t be in organizations like the NRA and the AARP, etc. anymore.
Not really. You onbviously don't understand the scope of the NRA and
Tbone (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 7:54PM EST (link)you obviously don’t understand the lack of scope of the AARP. Comparing the two is either ignorant or stupid. Ignorance you can fix by reviewing the respective organizations websites. Stupid, I can’t help you with.
So, why don’t you trundle over the NRA.org and do a little reading so that we can rejoice in your enlightenment rather than despair in your current state of darkness. We’re pullin’ for ya, Sparky!
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
What about this, Tbone and others?
Locked and Loaded (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 8:40PM EST (link)I am a member of two gun clubs, and I was formerly a member of another. All three clubs required membership in NRA as a precondition to membership in the gun club. I had already become a Life Member of the NRA, so that was covered.
Now, I imagine there are many clubs around the country (most?) that require an NRA membership. I think it would be a very meaningful gesture if these clubs also accepted a GOA or JPFO membership (I am near certain that none of my clubs currently do). Just show up at your monthly club meeting and make a well-prepared and reasoned pitch for the other organizations, then push for a vote on the matter.
The NRA could sure use a thumb in the back, and I believe this would be the means by which the grassroots could change the playing field immensely. I, for one, am sick and tired of NRA acting as an unsolicited insurance agent, spamming me via email and USPS, and the NRA is showing they deserve no monoply as the protector of our 2A rights.
I don't think the NRA should be the only voice for gun owners.
Tbone (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 9:15PM EST (link)However, because of its multiple facets, it can’t be as rabid an advocate as GOA. OTH, it does have the ability to bring multiple pressure points to bear and it has access and opportunities that GOA will never have.
Some posters here think it should either be an extension of the Republican Party or take the lead in advocating for conservative causes. It should do neither.
As an organization, it looks at this law as to how it would effect it, not others. Why should it advocate to modify a law that arguably benefits both sides of the political spectrum? In the legislative arena, the NRA advocates about the Second Amendment, not the First.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Translation: You're Part of the Problem
IJB Monday, June 14th at 11:46PM EST (link)Just like my Mom who’s a dyed-in-the-wool conservative and still belongs to the AARP because of the “deals” they offer.
Guys like you are propping up antiquated organizations like the NRA as they continue to drift Left – IOW, you’re part of the problem.
They do offer some really good deals.
Achance (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 11:53PM EST (link)It’s hard to turn away from some of that stuff. I have most of my car insurance through AARP and it is a third of the nearest competitor. Like I said, hard to turn away from that.
In Vino Veritas
This is how good organizations go bad
hunter (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 8:30AM EST (link)Playing the Washington game over decades is inevitably corrupting, apparently.
Notice the connection between ‘corruption’ and ‘going left’.
NRA may not be salvageable.
Either all of us have freedom of speech, like the USSC points out, or none of us do.
Backing the end-run lefty arrogant anti-freedom Congress members are doing is a perfect example of this.
Does the NA leadership not realize that if our out of control Congress does an end run on the first, the second is not far behind?
hunter
Actually, the NRA's commitment to the First Amendment
The_Gadfly (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 2:15PM EST (link)in the aftermath of McCain-Feingold is what makes the current beltway sellout so obvious. They fought that tooth and nail on the grounds of protecting free speech. You couldn’t go a month without an article about it in First Freedom, they started Cam’s Corner, and generally got more into being a news broadcaster to advance their political agenda. Note they do have a legal separation between the straight up NRA and the NRA-ILA so the NRA-ILA can put the maximum work into advancing the political agenda without compromising the core organization’s 501(c)3 status.
I believe the NRA is salvageable, but it requires that all members call them on the carpet when they make a bad decision.
Lets not fool ourselves
conservativecrusade (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 4:33PM EST (link)the NRA long ago dropped all of their righteous indignation when it came to encroaching on gun owner rights and have now become only about the dollar. Appeasement is their new mantra and it will not change until all of us who supported them over the years withdraw our support and money and go to the new groups that stand strong on important issues.
Every single conservative and gun owner should stop payment on their membership ASAP. The Heston days are long gone and will not be seen again in the NRA.
“The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” — Alexis de Tocqueville
If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting. — Curtis LeMay
We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
So it's now the NRAARP?
Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 5:24PM EST (link)Sounds like the same script.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Are you a troll, moby or idiot?
Tbone (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 11:18PM EST (link)You can choose more than one.
Why do you want to beat up on the NRA when they are the only organization in the Country that promotes hunting, target shooting, firearms training, firearms saftey, electing pro-gun politicians, provides legal support and fights bad legislation and a nationwide basis?
You probably are a Sarah Brady butt ramora.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Hey Tbone, he must be legit. Just look at his sig...
roscopico (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 11:26PM EST (link)I mean, “War and Peace” isn’t so long if you don’t try to plow through it in one sitting.
That’s cred, where I’m from.
Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…
A Walk Down Memory Lane
edintexas Tuesday, June 15th at 7:25AM EST (link)“Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…” Brings back memories of my youth. Hadn’t thought of that one in more than a few decades. Thanks.
This is how freedom dies: betrayal by its erstwhile defenders
civil truth (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 5:50PM EST (link)When you start throwing out others to the wolves chasing you in the hopes of being spared, all you do is speed you demise.
When our institutions who owe their position to the sacrifices of generations past decide to put self-interest and comfort ahead of standing for freedom and rule of law, then that society soon descends into the dark night of tyranny.
Be it 1930s Germany captains of industry allying with Hitler or ancient Rome’s Senate eating their own or the Anglo-Saxons paying Danegeld, the words of the Gods of the Copybook Headings do not change.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
Civil Truth- 55555
Scope (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 7:38PM EST (link)“When you start throwing out others to the wolves chasing you in the hopes of being spared, all you do is speed you demise.”
And there are so many others that have fallen on bent knees, thrown what they once were into the wind, just so they (think) they can survive. Where will they be if the Republicans/Conservatives take both houses, and the WH? Hopefully they will be obsolete by then.
The Progressives have infiltrated every
Scope (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 7:48PM EST (link)area of America. It’s not just education, banking, oil companies etc. They have gotten inside every area of America, and turned everyone/everything on it’s head. The MSM didn’t even have to help the NRA, pretty dang freakin sad that no one was watching that henhouse, when they got the wolves inside of it.
There are no "Progessives" in the NRA leadership.
Tbone (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 7:57PM EST (link)Or maybe there are, how about you list them for us?
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Hey Tbone- Sorry I spoke out against your "special interest"
Scope (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 9:50PM EST (link)how about you list the leaders of the NRA, and, show how they are not into any Democratic interests. You seem to know them well.
I’ve read a few comments here lately that more than half of the NRA members aren’t even registered to vote. Kinda seems that all those people don’t give a dang about their 2nd amendment rights, right? It seems to me that if you are a gun owner, you would want that organization to defend that right, without question, isn’t that correct? Don’t so many that are running for office in Washington use the NRA standard/endorsement or grading, as touting their support for 2nd Amendment rights, as the Gold standard?
ps- We just had a R candidate
Scope (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 9:54PM EST (link)here in my area endorsed by the NRA. He voted in the state Senate for some bans. How does that square with the 2nd Amendment?
If you really review the NRA membership,
Tbone (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 10:58PM EST (link)you will find that good chunks are primarily hunters and another chunk target shooters. While these people should support the political efforts some just aren’t political people. The other big chunk are those that join for political reasons.
While the NRA lobbies and encourages the first two groups to be more politically active it has no chance to get close to 100% buyin.
Per my comments, I suspect their are Democrats on the Board. I doubt that there are any progressives.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Gun Owners of America
aesthete (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 6:54PM EST (link)I’ll echo Erick in saying that GOA is a great organization. The NRA really just hasn’t been the same since Charlton Heston’s death.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Second that about the GOA nt
Wine Country Dog (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 7:51PM EST (link)Change we can step in!
woof!
a terrible sellout
improbablereason Monday, June 14th at 7:57PM EST (link)When Citizens United was decided, Wayne LaPierre called the ruling “a defeat for arrogant elitists who wanted to carve out free speech as a privilege for themselves and deny it to the rest of us”. Today, the NRA staff have become the arrogant elitists seeking to carve out free speech as a privilege for themselves.
——-
Osama will never come out of hiding…not while Chuck Norris is still alive
Here, it's this simple.
Gmac Monday, June 14th at 8:09PM EST (link)They are pragmatists.
They have supported Democrats like Snarlin’ Arlen, Harry Reid and other fools that could hardly be considered “conservative” if they thought it could benefit their cause, you do the math.
I have never supported the NRA and wish Ted Nugent and several others best wishes in wresting control from the fools that make these decisions but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
FWIW my father has a lifetime membership and I have watched the NRA since the 70′s so I do have a pretty good grasp of their politics and direction. I personally will never become a member of the NRA because they would support Caligula as long as he was ‘right’ on their pet projects.
Minutes Away
northcack34 (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 8:29PM EST (link)I was literally minutes away from joining the NRA on-line when I saw this post. I am now the newest member of GOA. Thanks, RedState!
Support Conservative Judges in NC:
Judge Barbara Jackson for NC Supreme Court (www.judgebarbarajackson.com)
Judge Rick Elmore for NC Court of Appeals (www.judgeelmore.com)
Judge Sanford Steelman for NC Court of Appeals (www.judgesteelman.org)
Judge Ann Marie Calabria for NC Court of Appeals (www.judgecalabria.com)
Dean R. Poirier for NC Court of Appeals (www.poirier4justice.com)
How ironic that this got posted on the same day
eburke (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 8:41PM EST (link)that I received my monthly direct mail piece from the NRA legislative action committee soliciting a donation.
So, in bright red ink across the reply I noted “I’ll start donating to the NRA again when you clowns stop endorsing ultra-liberals like Ted Strickland and Tim Walz in MN CD-1.
If they endorse Walz again, I’ll use that as my excuse to drop my membership replete w/pithy letter.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
When I got the word NRA was endorsing Strickland over Kasich..
ladyimpactohio (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 9:00PM EST (link)I wrote a rep I know there. This is her response:
“Here is the article we posted today stating that we endorsed Ted Strickland.
http://www.nrapvf.org/news/Read.aspx?ID=13897&T=1
There are many reasons we endorsed Ted Strickland over John Kasich. Here are some.
During his tenure in the U.S. House, Ted Strickland never earned a PPC grade lower than an “A”, and he earned an “A+” three different times.
As Governor, Ted Strickland signed “Castle Doctrine” self-defense reform legislation and comprehensive concealed carry reform into law.
In contrast, John Kasich’s voting record resulted in his grade going from an “A+” in 1984 to an “F” in 1994. John Kasich voted for gun bans (specifically the 1994 Clinton semi-auto assault weapons ban), in favor of restrictions on gun shows, and in support of a ban on interstate transport of handguns.
Ted Strickland has proven to be a friend to the NRA. While we understand that Kasich’s views have changed here is our approach to grading:
NRA is a non-partisan and single-issue organization. When considering candidates for endorsement, our political action committee, the NRA Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF), reviews several aspects of a candidate’s campaign. In addition to determining a candidate’s position on the Second Amendment and firearms ownership rights, we also review other factors such as viability, likelihood of making a runoff, campaign strategies, methods and staffing, and, finally, whether or not a candidate has a possibility of success in a particular district or state. Obviously, some districts are so one-sided in relation to partisan politics that support for any other candidates or parties would be fruitless and wasteful.
The NRA Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) considers many factors when grading and endorsing political candidates. First and foremost is a candidate’s demonstrated record on firearms, hunting and civil liberties issues relative to firearms and hunting. We support incumbent officeholders who have a record of supporting Second Amendment rights, building a relationship of mutual trust with them. Our grades and endorsements are then reported to NRA members via our Political Preference Charts (PPC), which are either included in NRA’s magazines, or mailed directly to members prior to Election Day.
It is important, as a single-issue organization, to form alliances on both sides of the aisle. Please visit www.nrapvf.org to see that NRA has endorsed candidates from both major political parties.
The NRA’s first and foremost responsibility lies in defending firearms freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution. Therefore, we cannot as, an association, take stands on issues which do not directly relate to the right to keep and bear arms. As you can appreciate, the NRA’s constituency is universal. In protecting the right of law-abiding citizens to own the firearm of their choice, NRA-ILA draws allies from every point of the political, social, racial, religious, geographic and economic spectra. Since our members are powerfully united on this single issue, our strength is enhanced by not being involved with other issues or with party preferences that could split our base of support.
I hope this answers your question. Please feel free to let me know if you have any other questions.”
We the people tell government what to do, it does not tell us.–Ronald Reagan in his farewell speech
I could not have said it better, but I did say it shorter
Tbone (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 9:20PM EST (link)above.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Harry Reid.
Mayhem (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 9:06PM EST (link)I believe they endorse the Senate Majority Leader as well.
James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.
No group is perfect but the NRA is darn good
DaMav Monday, June 14th at 10:18PM EST (link)Our job is to defend the RKBA. If the NRA is not successful in that, the rest of the conservative movement isn’t going to be worth much.
I have no problem if this leads to disagreement, but condescencion is uncalled for.
It is our job
conservativecrusade (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 10:26PM EST (link)to defend our right to have our guns, and it was the job of the NRA. Problem is, they are seldom doing that any more. If you want to call our response condescencion, which I assume you meant condescension, fine. We will continue to call our responses “stating the obvious that the NRA is no longer the group it used to be and is now the puppet of the democratic party!” You can like the NRA all day long and continue to believe wrongly that they are on the side of what is right, the rest of us will take our support to other groups that are willing to stay the course and fight hard for our rights.
“The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” — Alexis de Tocqueville
If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting. — Curtis LeMay
We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
Follow up,
conservativecrusade (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 10:29PM EST (link)when a groups sole purpose is one thing, such as defending our right to arms, pretty good is not good enough. Hard to say being good part of the time when your company only does one thing, is anywhere good enough.
“The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” — Alexis de Tocqueville
If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting. — Curtis LeMay
We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
These are stupid and ignorant statements:
Tbone (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 11:07PM EST (link)” the NRA is no longer the group it used to be and is now the puppet of the democratic party!” ‘
“when a groups sole purpose is one thing,”
Why don’t you:
A: Go review the list of NRA endorsed candidates and you will find 80+% are Republicans; and
B. Read the above posts and learn that the the NRA is not a “sole purpose” organization.
PS: Why don’t you make up your own sig line instead of the copy and paste conservative litany.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
whoa there
conservativecrusade (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 11:37AM EST (link)internet tough guy. I have noticed from many of your comments you think your are compelled to throw out the insults, but how about you try to be a real tough guy and go talk like this to someone in your face rather than typing it behind a screen. OK? Good!
Who they endorse does not matter, they still have become puppets. The union has endorsed republicans, many groups who are crap have endorsed republicans, And since all dems step in line with the agenda of Obama, Reid, an Pelosi, why are they endorsing dems even 1% of the time when dems want guns and such limited as much as possible or even banned?
And all their other ventures, buying land for conservation/hunting, funding campaigns, etc etc still have always boiled down to protection of our right to have guns and use them. And with many of their latest decisions, endorsements, and partisan politics, they have stopped being who they were founded to be.
And your PS, I know you think your envision line is the most original thing, and that your steak name is just the bomb, but don’t worry about what I and many others put in their sig line. Not that I have any reason to explain it to you, but I have had my own original lines, switch it often, and this time decided to mimic the many others on here and give honor to the men and women we respect. Don’t like it or my post, move on and read someone who you do like. Just as easy as that steak man!
Let us know how your fare being tough in real life!
“The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” — Alexis de Tocqueville
If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting. — Curtis LeMay
We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
CC watch out -
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 11:43AM EST (link)Tbone uses the name “Tbone” for a reason….
Since you have only been here a few months……
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
And your point is?
conservativecrusade (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 4:36PM EST (link)n/t
“The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” — Alexis de Tocqueville
If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting. — Curtis LeMay
We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
Wow, Sparky you must be one heck of a fighter
Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 12:54PM EST (link)if you’ve squared off with everyone who must have accused you of making ignorant and stupid statements. Did you beat up your mom once a week? LOL
So, you obviously didn’t go look at NRA.org or read any of the other posts choosing to remain ignorant. That choice makes you stupid.(Stupid people like to remain ignorant, it suits their personas.)
As for me, I’m a multi-tasker. I can tell people they’re ignorant and stupid to their face while pissing on their leg. It gives them such a warm feeling.
Now run along, there is another chapter of Bartlett’s you need to read.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
There you go again
conservativecrusade (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 4:43PM EST (link)thinking you are a man being a keyboard bully. If your manhood, intelligence, and success is self measured through keyboard strokes, have at it. You impress no one, much less me!
Funny, so many others on this site and many other sites have the same or close to the same opinion as me. And being that I have been a NRA member for most likely longer than you have been speaking, was president of a local NRA chartered group, and until recently, was a very vocal supporter of the NRA, I do not need you to teach me anything about the group. You can continue your tirade in an attempt to be the internet big man, I will move on to those who are actually intellectually big men and women. But feel free to continue in your internet pissing contest to prove yourself if you are so inclined to do so!
“The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” — Alexis de Tocqueville
If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting. — Curtis LeMay
We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. — George Washington
Sure you were.
Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 7:49PM EST (link)“And being that I have been a NRA member for most likely longer than you have been speaking, was president of a local NRA chartered group, and until recently, was a very vocal supporter of the NRA,”
If this were true, you would not have made this ignorant statement above: “when a groups sole purpose is one thing, such as defending our right to arms”
Quit lying. You know nothing of the NRA.
The NRA doesn’t have a sole purpose. It does have a SINGULAR political issue which is the Second Amendment , not the First.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
I will always be a member of the NRA
yendor Monday, June 14th at 10:22PM EST (link)but, that does NOT mean I’m going to vote for just anybody they support.
I know why they do what they do and yes I agree it’s more than just guns to me too. But, when it comes down to it they hit harder on my 2nd amendment rights then anybody else. I’m a Christian but will vote for a conserative ANYTHING (Jew,Morman etc) before the likes of so called christian Jimmy Carter regardless who endorse’s him. We who are members of the NRA do think before we vote.
well put
DaMav Monday, June 14th at 10:42PM EST (link)I agree. And not worth fighting about imo. Surely we have better things to do than attack the NRA.
No, not really, most are too chicken@##$% to go fight Democrats,
Achance (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 11:48PM EST (link)so they just arrange circular firing squads trying to kill as many Republicans that don’t meet their high standards as possible. The NRA is about gun rights and only about gun rights. I don’t like it that there are liberal Democrats who pander to them and get their endorsement, but so long as those liberal Democrats vote right on gun rights, the NRA is doing what it is supposed to do.
In Vino Veritas
Agreed. It's not the National Republican Association!
PGDeFreese (Diary) Monday, June 14th at 11:54PM EST (link)And if it were, I’m pretty confident it would be less effective on gun rights.
_________________

Thou art the Great Cat, the avenger of the Gods, and the judge of words…-Inscription on the Royal Tombs at Thebes
This is a tough one, Eric.
pedrom (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 12:20AM EST (link)I really wasn’t aware of the problem until after I had already committed to sponsor a table plus at our local fundraiser like I have previously done. It surfaced around here in the context of NRA being friendly to Harry Reid, I haven’t read that they will endorse him, yet, but a Google search reveals disturbing results
If there was ever a case where “too big to fail” might be true, it’s here. But rather than slamming NRA, and possiblly harming its ability to protect our 2A rights, shouldn’t we be trying to help change its policies from within, while supporting the other apparently effective, but smaller, gun-rights advocate groups? If that’s what “Uncle Ted” is up to, I’m all for it.
Their pragmatism is working for their cause.
mstedman Tuesday, June 15th at 1:53AM EST (link)It’s in their best interest to support a bipartisan group of lawmakers so they don’t get screwed when one party runs the show like they did during the first two years of the Clinton administration. You don’t think Obama would want to do what Clinton did with the “assault weapons” ban? His hands are tied because there are enough pro-gun Democrats to stop him. As crappy as some of those Dems are on other issues, that’s for the voter to figure out in the voting booth.
The one that’s curious to me is McShame over Hayworth, McShame’s gun record is lukewarm at best. JD is pretty solid on guns. Anybody figure that one out?
The problem with single issue organizations...
imperfectamerica (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 5:01AM EST (link)Part of the problem with single issue organizations is that they protect their cordoned off area on the deck while the entire ship is sinking. In the end everyone ends up on the bottom of the ocean equally…
About hanging together
livefreenh Tuesday, June 15th at 5:18AM EST (link)In my business, I routinely ask my directors the question: “What have you done for me lately?” I encourage them to ask the same question to me.
Sadly, if I apply this standard to the NRA they fail to satisfy.
To paraphrase Reagan, “I have not left the NRA; the NRA has left me.”
Memory & Other Things
edintexas Tuesday, June 15th at 8:03AM EST (link)It is likely that not many others on Red State recollect Neal Knox’s revolution at the NRA these many decades ago. When I first joined the NRA it was an organization primarily of, and for, the target shooters. The general attitude of the BoD could have been summarized as “Gun Bans? No problem as long as they leave my target guns alone.” Sadly, there still are many people who have a similar attitude (those hunters who believe “Who needs an ‘Assault Weapon’ anyway?” come to mind).
“What has the NRA done for me lately?” It may be that “livefreenh” believes the answer is nothing. And he may be one of those who has that “similar attitude”, or not. But if he believes that in the absence of the NRA Dear Leader and friends would have absolutely no desire to re-enact the Clinton Gun Ban, and more, he is sadly mistaken. Being the gorilla in the room on the firearms issue IS doing something for us all when it dissuades the Democrats from bringing forth anti-gun legislation for votes.
While I would enjoy having the NRA supporting all my particular political positions (and they do support Jeb Hensarling, my Rep and Rick Perry), I think it is more important that they remain the gorilla on firearms. Is their record perfect? Hardly. Is the NRA more effective on firearms protections than any other organization in the US? Absolutely. Which other pro-gun organization is a recognized UN NGO, able to keep an eye on what the totalitarians in the UN are attempting to snare us into? You know the answer is none.
And I wouldn’t be a member of AARP at any price. The AARP is a Progressive political organization which snookers people with “benefits”. I may be a “geezer”, but I’m not “greedy”.
I quit
gunslingr45 Tuesday, June 15th at 8:32AM EST (link)the NRA when they refused to back the heller case I thought what the hell am I paying dues for? And when the AARP started touting and loving the health care plan I called, raised holy heck and dropped them like a hot rock. I even went so far as to tell them I was going with AMAC www.amac.us.
It’s ok to link here to a conservative web site right? lol
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
Thomas Jefferson
Ted's not a friend of
Jesse Hathaway (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 12:18PM EST (link)No one should be too terribly surprised by this turncoat maneuver by the NRA, but it is worrying nonetheless: Ted’s best friends are gun owners’ worst enemies.
Time and again, Ted’s put in anti-gun politicians into positions of power here in the Buckeye State. The current Lieutenant Governor, Lee Fisher, has actually said that he’s not seen a gun control bill he hasn’t liked. His current running mate, Yvette McGee-Brown, has said that she disagrees with Ted about guns (and is therefore anti-gun). The list goes on and on. Check it out at http://www.turnaroundted.com/nra
It’s absolutely ridiculous!
That said, if this doesn’t damage the NRA’s credibility, their endorsement of Harry Reid over Angle does. Wow.
Check out my South Carolina politics blog, Right Turns Only, by going to http://www.rightturnsonly.com/ !
True
e_rowe (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 3:24PM EST (link)The NRA is the gun association for those who believe in gun control. GOA is the one for those who don’t. Even though Hostettler and Stutzman both had 100% pro-2nd Amendment voting records (Hostettler at the federal level and Stutzman at the state), the NRA without officially endorsing him chose to favor Stutzman by giving him an A+, while they gave the much more conservative Hostettler an A, even though Hostettler’s background as a champion for gun rights is much more impressive. Hostettler had the backing of Gun Owners of America.
Why was that? One reason was probably to punish Hostettler for shutting down the Clinton & Wesson deals of the 90′s, which were basically a sneaky way for the Clinton administration to use its awarding of government contracts to manipulate gun manufacturers into making guns according to the “safety” standards that the administration was not able to succeed at getting passed legislatively. But Smith & Wesson was a big beneficiary of that move by the Clinton administration, so they didn’t like Hostettler’s meddling. And when push comes to shove, the NRA answers to the big gun manufactures, not the Constitution.
For a donation of $10 K,
Warrior (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 4:39PM EST (link)the NRA suppoted Parker Griffith, a turncoat opportunist if there ever was one, against staunch conservative Mo Brooks in AL.
That kind of thing is troublesome to me, a lifelong NRA member.
“Racial criteria are irrational, irrelevant, [and] odious to our way of life.” — Thurgood Marshall for the NAACP Legal Defense Fund in the 1950 Supreme Court case of McLaurin v. Oklahoma
How does the NRA spin its position
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Tuesday, June 15th at 6:55PM EST (link)on Sotomayor and her assertion that citizens do not have the right to defend themselves? They chose not to oppose her nomination and now we have another liberal lunatic on the court.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)
IamWhoIam
iamwhoiam Tuesday, June 15th at 8:20PM EST (link)I am not only a Life member of the NRA for years, I am a Life member of the SAF, NYSRPA, CCRKBA and memeber of S.C.O.P.E. – NY.
Since we (groups) are all connected and inter-twined, are are of these groups now the same? I think not, in fact we are all out for the same thing!
It all depends on how you look at the glass on things – you know: Is it half full or half empty!
Then there’s all the other groups to pop in on like GOA, the Sportsmans Federation and all like groups to see that we are all working on the same thing.
Don’t start th bickering amongst ourselves for that is what the opposition wants!
Stay Safe.
I'm confused.
pittbull Wednesday, June 16th at 12:47AM EST (link)Can’t we just eat some pork and shoot some terrorists?