It is one thing to have no shame and quite another to have no class. Carly Fiorina apparently has neither.
Just a short time ago, Carly was going around making some truly disparaging remarks about Sarah Palin, but she sure was willing and quick to embrace Palin’s endorsement. No shame.
Now she is out attacking a military reservist, disparaging his service.
See, in California people get to put a descriptor on their ballot line item describing who they are. Carly put “business executive”, even though she hasn’t been one since 2005. She really does not want Chuck DeVore to have “military reservist” on his line.
Fiorina’s campaign, when contacted, said DeVore is not a military reservist. Have they even bothered checking up on DeVore? If they had, not only would they realize they were disparaging Chuck DeVore’s service to his country, but they would hopefully recognize just how petty it is to bicker over a title.
If Fiorina were playing by her own standard for DeVore, she would not be able to put “business executive” down for herself. She’d need something like . . . say . . . “Fired Hewlett Packard CEO” or “California to China Job Exporter”.
Let’s review DeVore’s record. According to DeVore’s campaign, “he holds a Reserve commission in the United States Army as a Lieutenant Colonel.”
More from the campaign on the specific qualifications is below the fold.
Chuck DeVore enlisted in the United States Army in 1983, and was commissioned an officer in 1986 after working his way through college on an ROTC scholarship. He has served in our nation’s armed forces for 27 years. His service record includes:
- Service in the OPFOR at the National Training Center at Fort Irwin, CA, during the 1991 Gulf War.
- Deployment during the 1992 Los Angeles riots, where he came under fire.
- Commanding the Headquarters and Headquarters Battery of the 640th Military Intelligence Battalion of the CA Army National Guard.
- Service as the state J-1 for the California National Guard.
Chuck DeVore was promoted to Lieutenant Colonel in 2006, with Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger pinning on his rank. In 2007, DeVore transferred from the National Guard to the U.S. Army Reserve: instead of seeking discharge or resigning, as were his options, he elected to become a retired reservist. This means he is still a commissioned officer in the Reserves, and eligible for callup should the nation need him: in other words, a “Military Reservist.”
Chuck DeVore’s dedicated service has earned his candidacy the endorsement of the California Republican Veterans of America.
No class, Carly. No class.
Steve Maley
KnightsofMalta
carly, a conservative of convenience
olddog Friday, May 21st at 5:31AM EST (link)this is more proof, of the Rhinoism of many of the so called conservatives, only at election time. They attack those who do hold the real values, that make this country great. Those who do serve, prepared to give up everything, to preserve this great nation. Devore
doesn’t have to prove what he is , his record shows it.
Support Our Troops
One Old Dog
The Fiorina campaign should put the shovel
Hugh (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 6:17AM EST (link)down. The hole they are digging is getting too deep.
I can overlook her lack of service to country. But I, along with many other patriots, cannot overlook her denegrating the service of others. They should join all of us in showing our appreciation to DeVore for his service.
Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.
Thomas Sowell
Oops. Can't spell. Denigrate.
Hugh (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 8:49AM EST (link)That’s why they call me “Numbers”
Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.
Thomas Sowell
Fiorina Is An Embarrassment (N/T)
BigGator5 (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 7:23AM EST (link)Honestly, what more needs to be said? Fiorina is an embarrassment and I hope the Republicans in California wake-up to that fact.
Educated (About The Issues Facing Us Today), Dedicated (To Making A Difference), And Highly Motivated (To Getting Things Done)

I thought...
eschultz Friday, May 21st at 1:11PM EST (link)that n/t meant “no text”, as in, nothing to read beyond the title?
Enough
bamron Friday, May 21st at 7:27AM EST (link)I see a socialist government of 1960s radicals (I knew these mental thugs back then, they haven’t changed a bit). I see a “post American” (remember that book he was photographed holding in the campaign?) America-hating President who is already playing race cards right and left (are you African American — and by the way, is that what you are called this week? — poor you! Whitey will pay for you. Are you a miserable economic migrant from south of the border? We OWE you — come on, march openly in American streets, wave foreign flags, call for revolution against the rule of law — we’ll shelter and feed and heal you!)
There is truly a megahistoric moment upon us. The left cannot be allowed to stay in power, fattening on our life blood and the blood of our nation — because its tentacles are spreading into every corner of our lives. If you think the 2nd amendment is in danger, just wait. All in good time.
And meanwhile, back at the ranch,…we the center-right of the political spectrum are at each other’s throat, tearing it out. I love passion for your favorite candidate, I applaud it, and I say go for it, if you think you have a chance. But we now have four and five and six people fighting for the “GOLD RING” (and our behavior suggests it still is seen as a gold ring, not a grave responsiblity). If you can’t get elected, or get your favorite elected, without destroying the vehicle he is going to ride on to power, you’re in a mess.
If you think the Tea Party is the vehicle, you are going to ride it right into the world’s newest civil war, because if the GOP does not win control of at least one of the houses of Congress this fall, I predict that militia organizing will become a national rage and confrontation is inevitable. The left does not willingly cede power, not if you are being funded and manipulated by George Soros. He’s been waitng a long time. He maybe could arrange to have the Constitution rewritten to allow foreign-born presidents). Here’s a challenge: try and find out through the internet HOW MANY oganizations are funded by Soros. Figure out what their bottom-line goals are. Then you will see where we are headed.
Stop tearing apart people in the right you don’t agree with. I love the Tea Party candidates, by and large, they are full of fire. And the GOP, the ONLY vehicle to power, has to stop picking and start watching to see which candidate actually has a message that resonates with the voters of center right persuasion. I hope the loss in PA will wake them up and, how about this, that all of us will fight with our ideas and convictions, not on the basis of back-biting and denigration.
I will vote straight-ticket GOP in the fall. Numbers are everything. Don’t split our vote!
Why do we forget that the nasty things we say about one another always comes back in Democrat (aka Socialist Internationalist Party of America) sound bites?
I agree with bamron and
liberty131911 Friday, May 21st at 12:13PM EST (link)God knows I share his frustration, and I too will vote straight-ticket GOP in the fall.
HOWEVER…… the RINO’s have done as much, if not more, to get us where we are today. We have 2 opponents, i.e. the Democrat Party and the RINO’s.
The time to fight the Democrat candidates is November, and that’s where I will, even if I have to hold my nose, vote the Republican Party line, but the time to fight the RINO’s is right now and every other time it’s not a race between Democrat and Republican.
Like many, many others, I no longer support the Republican Party financially or in any other way except on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November. I support individual libertarian and conservative candidates when they are running against establishment Republicans. But I pray the Republican Party will get the message that they can no longer just call themselves conservatives and then act like liberal/socialists e.g. the ever-cynical John McCain, who frankly has been only slightly better than Arlan Spector, except not as charming ( a little humor there).
If the Republicans continue down the course they are on of joining with the Democrats in attacking those of us “right of center”, i.e. those of us who have read and believe in The Constitution, in the most disparaging and despicable terms, I am terribly afraid that whether the frustration drives the conservatives/libertarians to a third party called “The Tea Party” or some other third party, the liberal/socialists currently in power will stay in power. And then I fear for my children, grand children, great grand children and all of yours as well, that the most dire concerns and predictions of bamron will come true.
But for now, please, let’s fight the John McCains, Carly Fiorinas, Olympia Snowes, Newt Gingriches et al for the heart, soul and CONTROL of the Republican Party!
- In any compromise between food and poison only death is the winner.
- Contradictions do not exist, check your premise (Ayn Rand)
- It’s very tough being a small “L” libertarian but I keep trying.
I agree
teabag (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 10:35PM EST (link)I agree with you and BAMRON. We must stick together. Luckily, even if you want to vote for a so-called Tea Party candidate, there’s no such political party so they’ll run as a Republican. It’s an easy choice, since “conservative” Democrats have been extinct for years. Vote Republican!
liberty131911, I hope you'll become a precinct committeeman, too,
ColdWarrior (Diary) Monday, May 24th at 6:52PM EST (link)if you aren’t one already. It doesn’t sound like you are one because you are complaining about “the Republicans.” YOU can become one of “the Republican” if you will come INTO the party as a “card carrying member” of it eligible to vote for the leadership. It’s easy and fun.
Scroll up to see my earlier response to bamron. If you aren’t already IN the Party, I hope you’ll come into it as a precinct committeeman, joining with the other conservatives already INSIDE IT trying to change it from within. It’s a pure numbers game and HALF these slots were vacant in the 2008 election cycle nationwide in the Republican Party. And split about 50-50 ideologically. That’s why we got a squish like Michael Steele as our RNC chairman. If we conservatives filled up all the vacancy seats, conservatives would have a 75 per cent majority in the PC ranks. And, with that kind of majority, we’d be able to elect conservative leadership all throughout the Party nationwide, which would result in the election of a conservative RNC chairman.
So, I hope you’ll become a PC — and drag every conservative you know with you to your next local GOP committee meeting.
For Liberty,
ColdWarrior, PC (that’s “precinct committeeman,” not “political child!”)
Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW!
In 2012, will YOU become a “voting member” of the Republican Party in your precinct?
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bamron, I hope you will become a precinct committeemen if you
ColdWarrior (Diary) Monday, May 24th at 6:42PM EST (link)aren’t won already.
We need you INSIDE the Republican Party. So you can be part of “the GOP” you rightly criticize. Become part of it by becoming a precinct committeeman, so you can help elect better leadership (only precinct committeemen get to vote in the internal Party leadership elections) and help the BEST conservative candidates win the all-important, traditionally-very-low-turnout primary elections. You’ll learn who these candidates are by attending your monthly committee meetings, as the candidates come to those meetings to entice the precinct committeemen to get out the vote for them in the primary.
Please visit my blog below for more info. I’ve got state-specific links for about half the states. Every state has a unique system.
For Liberty,
ColdWarrior, PC (that’s “precinct committeeman,” not “political child!”)
Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW!
In 2012, will YOU become a “voting member” of the Republican Party in your precinct?
Where it all started. Twitter @kaltkrieger
Unified Patriots.
Learn how to GOTV at The Concord Project and at Procinct and
And precinct committeewoman
nepanyrush Monday, May 24th at 7:32PM EST (link)M y wife advanced toward being a precinct committeewoman in PA in the last primary election. There were no candidates, so it was a matter of getting people to write in her name. When I checked the final list for the position in other precincts in our area, about half were unfulfilled. In others, the votes were sometimes less than 5 votes. My wife actually campaigned, standing outside the voting area, so she got a lot of votes, but most areas it was only a very few votes. Even one or two votes would have won in some precincts.
Coldwarrior reeled me in
Jonas Parker Tuesday, May 25th at 8:41PM EST (link)I’m on the ballot and on my way to PC. I’d highly recommend it. Gives you a great feeling that you are doing something useful as opposed to hurling shoes at the TV.
"Fiorina’s campaign, when contacted, said DeVore is not a military reservist. "
Diogenes314 (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 7:43AM EST (link)Do you have a quote or link for this? All I have seen is a twitter comment from someone on the campaign calling his ballot description ‘deceptive’.
Just curious.
It is politics..
smitch61 Friday, May 21st at 8:15AM EST (link)That is why most of us want nothing to do with it. If she is not factual then he needs to fight it now and clear it up. Maybe he needs to bring up the cancer thing…, I mean not to be cruel, but she may need treatment again that could affect her job performance. All is fair game in politics..Have we not learned anything from what the left tried to do with Palin?
If Carly is not telling the truth, or distorting it, DeVore needs to stand up and bury her with it. Shout it from the rooftops. God bless us, I wish the GOP had the fight in them that the Dem’s do.
"publicly attacks" is an exaggeration
RINKER Friday, May 21st at 9:17AM EST (link)Tacky, if true, but “publicly attacks” isn’t quite accurate IMO.
Yeah, except it was public and an attack. nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 9:23AM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
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^^ Ignoring
RINKER Friday, May 21st at 9:26AM EST (link)No offense.
So, I asked myself, "Where is RINKER on this?"
Locked and Loaded (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 9:43AM EST (link)It’s perfectly clear now that you will ignore, obfuscate, whatever to support your girl in this race.
Tweeted from Carly4California:
@chuckdevore predicted doubling in polls due to deceptive ballot title. It worked, but he’s still a distant third. @carlyforca in lead!
Tacky, public, and approved, I say.
So, I asked myself, "Where is RINKER on this?"
Locked and Loaded (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 9:43AM EST (link)It’s perfectly clear now that you will ignore, obfuscate, whatever to support your girl in this race.
Tweeted from Carly4California:
@chuckdevore predicted doubling in polls due to deceptive ballot title. It worked, but he’s still a distant third. @carlyforca in lead!
Tacky, public, and approved, I say.
RINKER, ignore me if you want...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 9:46AM EST (link)But if you continue to say ignorant things like you did above then I will continue to point it out.
Carly Fiorina’s twitter account said that Chuck DeVore calling himself a Military Reservist was “deceptive”. This was public as seen here.
But don’t let yourself be bothered with facts.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
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I said it was tacky.
RINKER Friday, May 21st at 9:54AM EST (link)And if she said that on her twitter account, yes that is a public attack. Where in Erick’s post does it say that Carly posted it on twitter? All it said in his post was that the campaign didn’t want him to use the descriptive line.
And Aaron, by repeatedly resorting to calling me “ignorant”, speaks more about you than it does about me.
You said calling it a public attack was an exaggeration.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 10:03AM EST (link)And I keep using ignorant because it is the proper adjective to use. If you are offended you don’t understand the meaning of the word.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
Oh, I see. It didn't.
RINKER Friday, May 21st at 10:04AM EST (link)Apology?
For what? nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 10:06AM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
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It is rude and disrespectful.
RINKER Friday, May 21st at 10:07AM EST (link)Would your parents have let you call them ignorant? It is VERY rude and I have asked you to quit being so rude to me.
You didn’t answer my question. Where in Erick’s article does he tell that she posted on her twitter account that he was “deceptive”??? That is pretty important information, isn’t it? That IS a public attack. Don’t PUBLICLY ATTACK me when all of the information wasn’t given.
RINKER, you've become tiresome and are wasting bandwidth.
Achance (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 10:12AM EST (link)OK, we know you just love to shill for Carly and you really, really like Sarah. Beyond that all you’ve done is engage in pissing contests with various posters that add no value to this site and each succesive stupid repartee just knocks worthwhile comments down the page. Write something useful or stop wasting our site.
In Vino Veritas
Hey - I've made it clear
RINKER Friday, May 21st at 10:18AM EST (link)that I’m not thrilled with Carly, and I don’t think she should have posted what she did on twitter (now that I know). I’ve also said my main reason for opposing DeVore is that he has moved towards Ron Paul’s foreign policy views, which I oppose. That is fair enough and we should be able to discuss it while being respectful to each other.
How can we discuss it when you refuse to acknowledge that you are ignorant of DeVore's FP? nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 10:27AM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
That's not accurate
aesthete (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 1:29PM EST (link)It is true that DeVore is not in favor of nation-building in Afghanistan and that he would prefer more special forces and drone attacks, but 1) that is far from progressive or Clintonian foreign policy, or even Ron Paul policy, and 2) that snippet is not all that there is to DeVore’s foreign policy. I’ll leave comparisons to other politicians to other commenters on RedState (I’ve never found them particularly useful), but here’s DeVore’s foreign policy:
From his campaign site:
“While a strong supporter of a robust and modern volunteer military, Chuck has been a consistent skeptic of direct military intervention since the 1980s, preferring instead to encourage those who want freedom and democracy overseas with more indirect methods, if possible. Chuck knows that we neither have enough people or treasure to be a global policeman for decades.
Regarding our current conflicts, we must be define and then achieve victory. If we are not prepared to defeat our enemies, then we should not sacrifice our men and women in uniform to a lost cause.”
Sounds to me like he favors a foreign policy that favors the US, defines and achieves victory in our conflicts, and doesn’t waste our money or our boys in green — what a concept!
Indeed, his views on Iraq are diametrically opposed to Paul’s. Read this article by Chuck hailing Iraq’s “surge” as a success (and critiquing the Dems who abandoned Vietnam), and then read Paul’s debbie-downer posting on the “surge”. Incidentally, they are also on opposite sides on Vietnam, with Paul having supported the Dems cutting ties and aid to South Vietnam, and Chuck lambasting them for doing the same. Chuck’s foreign policy isn’t Ron Paul’s, Bush’s, or even Reagan’s: it’s Chuck’s, coming from a career steeped in foreign policy discussion and enactment. I’d take his informed and intelligent views on foreign policy over Fiorina’s mindless near-jingoism any day.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Here's the link to Chuck's
aesthete (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 1:30PM EST (link)article: http://www.redcounty.com/cdevore?page=5
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
5 [nt]
Bill S (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 10:27AM EST (link)“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Palin's endorsement
Kayla Friday, May 21st at 9:23AM EST (link)If Fiorina was denigrating Palin, why would she endorse her? Has Sarah gone to the dark side already?
Kayla- I wouldn't call it the dark side,
Scope (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 10:40AM EST (link)I’d call it the I’m only a conservative when it’s convenient side.
It's the McCain "Hehe, you still owe me heh" side -nt
Erick Brockway (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 9:39PM EST (link)Note to lefties;
“Don’t be afraid to see what you see.” -Ronald Reagan
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Those of us from the HP world knew this a long time ago.
NightTwister (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 10:22AM EST (link)Carly doesn’t, and has never had any class at all. It’s always been about her. Why anyone would want to support a candidate that’s all about themselves in this political climate is beyond my ability to comprehend. But then, we are talking about California. The longer I’m gone, the more I don’t miss that place.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
It's no surprise......
jiminga Friday, May 21st at 10:23AM EST (link)that CA might want to elect someone who has worked her way up to her own level of incompetence at a printer/computer company (HP), fostering one of the worst customer service reputations in the industry, and then pushing through a merger with another weak player (Compaq) in a deal that made both players weaker. Oh, and got fired for doing it. Her ballot descriptor should read “failed business executive”.
She’ll fit right in at the US Senate.
DeVore continues to shine....
swanie Friday, May 21st at 10:28AM EST (link)and FioRINO just doesn’t seem to get it…or perhaps this is her final despirate strategy before she goes up in smoke. Fortunately for REAL CONSERVATIVES, like DEVORE, the political climate has changed. Old school RINOs are “so last week”. We see through their nasty tactics and empty suits. This one will back-fire on her just like the Palin thing!
If FioRINO had even the least concern for the Nation or the State of California, she would pass the baton to DeVore to “bring it home”. The job ahead is going to take PRINCIPLED LEADERSHIP and STRENTH OF STEEL. She has neither.
Caught Chuck on Mark Levin last night.
redneck_hippie (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 10:32AM EST (link)Mark went way out of his way, endorsing and praising Chuck DeVore. Mark knows a Reagan conservative when he meets one.
Sarah
jamo (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 10:33AM EST (link)Much as I love her personally, someone had better have a talk with Sarah. She is doing America no good with her endorsements (although her endorsements may lead people to DeVore in California.) I don’t know how anyone could believe a woman with the hairdo Fiorina wears.
Better get Sarah off the stage. She’ll be the death of the movement.
Pretty soon her campaigning for
Scope (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 10:43AM EST (link)and endorsements will be as toxic as Obama’s.
As an Aside
edintexas Friday, May 21st at 10:42AM EST (link)Devore needs to find someone to edit whoever is writing his Bio. The Artillery had Batteries, Military Intelligence has Companies. He could not have been a Battery Commander in a Military Intelligence Battalion.
Check out a Battery Commander's responsibilites
Erick Brockway (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 9:46PM EST (link)This sound like it’d fit in an Intel Bat?
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you want Carly??? ... really???
a-b Friday, May 21st at 10:45AM EST (link)I could be wrong but wasn’t Carly let go by HP in part for purchasing Compaq at great cost to HP but little benefit ???
One can only wonder why she made that move . . . . I have my own ideas but I’ll leave that question to the rest of you.
At any rate, is that the sort of person you want making important decisions that will impact you?
……. I think not.
in defense of Sarah
justfedup Friday, May 21st at 10:46AM EST (link)Since no one really wants a 3rd party yet & we need to remake the Republican party. Could it be that she is “infiltrating” the party to be more effective in changing it? Stay tuned.
Can We All Say Boxer Clone
psmith Friday, May 21st at 11:02AM EST (link)Carly Fiorina is so self absorbed that she can’t see merit in anyone else. Mark Levin called DeVore “a Reaganite.” Reagan always respected the military. Neither BOXER “call me senator”, nor Carly Fiorina have respected for the military. She didn’t just try to dismiss or denigrated Chuck DeVore’s 27 yrs of service. She denigrated EVERY active reservist that has served their country. This woman is appalling. She would be no different than Boxer. No need to vote for Fiorina, should she win the primary, AND she won’t, Boxer and Fiorina are one and the same. SHAMEFUL ABSOLUTELY SHAMEFUL.
Carly is not denigrating military service.
calical Friday, May 21st at 11:24AM EST (link)There is no evidence here that she disrespects the military or its members, and it is inflammatory and unjustified to say so.
The campaign pointed out that Chuck sometimes likes to imply by omission that he isn’t retired. Yes, technically the retired reserves can be called up in certain circumstances, but this is certainly not what people typically think of when they hear one is a military reservist. “Deceptive” does not necessarily or even usually(in contexts like this) imply outright false, but rather, misleading, which the Military Reservist title arguably is, because it gives readers the impression that his military involvement is more extensive than it presently is.
Of course, this minor issue is a bit of a distraction, compared to the recent revelations regarding Chuck’s bio, such as his being shot at in Lebanon (not part of his military service, he was out of range, and the Israelis present laughed at him and the other Americans for reacting at all), working in the private sector/aerospace industry (his company primarily worked on lobbying for other companies to get government contracts), and playing a pivotal role in the Arrow Missile Defense System (Congressman Hunter, whom he claims to have worked with to do this, says he did not).
Keep pushing those talking points for Carly. nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 11:31AM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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LA Times article which covers the ready reserve
jimmyg Friday, May 21st at 12:44PM EST (link)issue and the other issues that Devore has used as a resume builder.http://mobile.latimes.com/inf/infomo?view=page7&feed:a=latimes_1min&feed:c=localnews&feed:i=53870308&nopaging=1 It seems at times he exagerates his experience in both the National Guard (LA riots) and as a Pentegon aide, at least according to Cong. Hunter. I know that when I was discharged I did not refer to myself as being a reservist although I, and everyone else who was discharged was in the ready reserve. I just hoped they would not call me back up.
LA Times article which covers the ready reserve
jimmyg Friday, May 21st at 12:44PM EST (link)issue and the other issues that Devore has used as a resume builder.http://mobile.latimes.com/inf/infomo?view=page7&feed:a=latimes_1min&feed:c=localnews&feed:i=53870308&nopaging=1 It seems at times he exagerates his experience in both the National Guard (LA riots) and as a Pentegon aide, at least according to Cong. Hunter. I know that when I was discharged I did not refer to myself as being a reservist although I, and everyone else who was discharged was in the ready reserve. I just hoped they would not call me back up.
I'm already not happy...
Rich Fader Friday, May 21st at 11:43AM EST (link)…about the brain cells I’m losing to the stupid Whitman and Poizner ad campaigns. Don’t start. Really. Just don’t start.
Don't post often but this is ridiculous
Andrew_D (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 12:33PM EST (link)Carly Fiorina is absolutely not denigrating military service. She is slamming Chuck DeVore for misrepresenting his own military service. It is UNHEARD of for a retired military reservist to put “Military Reservist” as his ongoing employment. It is deceitful, and it is a blatant attempt to drum up votes from people looking for the “pro-military” candidate. I have yet to meet a Republican primary voter or candidate who is anti-military. Carly Fiorina is calling out Chuck DeVore, and some of you can call them “talking points,” but they are talking points for a reason. They are true!
Honestly, some of you people sound like liberals with the utter lack of logic and reason that you display. Can you really not see the facts here? Also, the hatred for Carly displayed here is more representative of MoveOn.org or the Huffpo than a conservative blog site. You may not like her, and that’s fair. Attack her on the issues. Don’t get all hysterical and start screaming that she has attacked the military. It’s absurd. Erick, shame on you, boy! Shame on you!
I am a Texan, a Rick Perry guy, and have no dog in this fight whatsoever. I could honestly care less who wins the thing. Let’s let California figure out the primary, and then focus on taking out Boxer. That’s the real issue here.
Did you *read* Erick's post?
aesthete (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 12:55PM EST (link)If turnabout is fair play, then Carly should no longer refer to herself as a business executive, since she is no longer employed in that position. It is absolutely a talking point, and there is nothing dishonest about DeVore’s appending of the term “retired”. It is conventional for those running for elected positions to put down their former occupations: it is assumed that they are not going to continue in this profession when elected.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
BTW
Andrew_D (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 12:36PM EST (link)When people on RedState start saying that Sarah Palin is toxic, and the “death of the movement” it’s pretty clear that some of you are cliff diving into a pile of you know what!!
All I can say is thank God for Texas!
Ahh, a member of the Palin Party.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 1:05PM EST (link)We’re conservatives and republicans here.
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Is DeVore our Blumenthal?
youngmonte (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 1:03PM EST (link)This is just another one of those farfetched posts Erick does occassionally that are hard to take seriously – like the one he did about Dan Coats’ vote to deny Medicare patients the right to choose their own doctors, which was patently untrue.
I know we’d like to see DeVore win, but geez, does that mean we have to suspend our critical faculties when it comes to candidates we like (for another example, see Erick’s post from yesterday on Rand Paul’s comments on the Civil Rights Act)? I’m pretty astonished that of all the descriptors DeVore could use he puts down Assembleyman/military reservist. As has been pointed out, he’s a retired military reservist. Sure, he could be called up. So could pretty much anyone who retired from the active Army (see Individual Ready Reserve). Frankly, I think DeVore should be embarassed at so blatantly trying to magnify (some might say embellish) his honorable, but limited, military service in a bid for a few votes. No matter where you come down in the CA primary, I think Fiorina is right on this one – and after reading the item on DeVore over at the Weekly Standard you might feel the same. The headline: “Chuck DeVore’s misleading claim he was ‘shot at’ in Lebanon.”
Do we have our own Blumenthal? See: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/chuck-devore-republicans-dick-blumenthal
Nice try youngmonte...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 1:07PM EST (link)Listen to what really happened in Lebanon here.
The Weekly Standard should be ashamed of itself for peddling a lie pushed by the LA Times.
It’s laughable really.
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You are right Youngmonte
jwhoward (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 3:16PM EST (link)Unfortunately, you and the Standard have run headlong into true believer syndrome. They don’t like the hear the truth if it conflicts with their fantasies. DeVore’s misrepresentation of his experience in Lebanon is of a piece with his repeated claim that he was at the very pinnacle of the Reagan Administration when he was, what, twenty-something, thirty some-thing when the Reagan Administration ended?
JW Howard
Did you click on my link jwhoward?
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 3:22PM EST (link)If you had you would know that DeVore didn’t misrepresent anything.
Nice to know you embrace lies.
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Aaron, nice to know you embrace idiocy
jwhoward (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 1:41PM EST (link)But that was already fairly obvious from your posts, wasn’t it? Dozens, myself included, have treated you with more respect that you clearly deserve in responding to you over the top, unhinged, inaccurate, sarcastic posts extending to you a courtesy you refuse to extend to them. Some of us have tried to keep these discussions on a higher level than that with which you are comfortable. Enjoy your life in mom’s basement.
JW Howard
Stop right there, jwhoward.
Moe Lane (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 1:51PM EST (link)I understand that this is a contentious primary and everything, but that last sentence was over the line, and you will not repeat it, or anything like it.
Grok?
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jwhoward (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:11PM EST (link)I understand your concern and sometimes the unfairness of life is that at some point one gets frustrated at continued, uncivil, sarcastic over the top posts from people like Aaron. Have you looked at the enormous volume of insults he has hurled at people other than me? I have and it just finally got to me.
His sniping at me does not trouble me because it is clear enough where it comes from. But there are an awful lot of people, like SteveLA who have also been subject to his unwarranted sarcasm and attacks. SteveLA is not someone I know, but his posts are thoughtful and informed and civil and met with unremitting insults from Aaron.
I don’t often post here or anywhere else, frankly, but the cascade of vituperation I see here is disquieting.
I will take my reprimand from you in the spirit in which it was given and no longer respond to Aaron’s provocations. They can sit where they fall without further answer. It is not worth the time anyway.
And I do not regard your post as your “taking Aaron’s side” as I recognize that you are trying to maintain some sort of standard for discussion. But you might consider that while redstate clearly favors Devore in the election out here, a lot of committed, sound conservatives support Carly Fiorina and continuing to countenance posts well over the line of civility from such as Aaron does little to enhance the discussion I think you are trying to foster.
JW Howard
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One more thing, Moe,
jwhoward (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:18PM EST (link)As a fairly good example of what I am talking about with respect to Aaron, take a look at his last four or so posts to me and SteveLA (done, apparently, while I was drafting mine to you) “Over the line” or not?
JW Howard
JWHoward, if you are petitioning for my reprimand you are wasting your time. nt
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jwhoward, you are willfully ignoring evidence disproving your claims
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 1:53PM EST (link)And you have the gall to suggest that I am embracing idiocy?
I shouldn’t have expected much from someone on Carly’s leadership team. Especially from one on her leadership team who didn’t divulge that information.
Keep pushing those lies for Carly John. Maybe she will push some people to your law firm if she gets elected.
Right John?
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This is ridiculous. This attack is stretched so thin, you can see right through it.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:20PM EST (link)I find it highly peculiar that they waited until AFTER the Blumenthal revelation to start with this inane mantra against DeVore. It’s like they have a mob mentality, with NO original thinking, to find something that they would like to try and make stick. Oooooooooh, Blumenthal…DeVore’s a reservist….let’s try to use that on him! It is lemming mentality and quite frankly shows that Carly’s campaign has no original plan or cannot stand on issues so they wait until something gives them an idea. No thanks…there are enough followers in DC.
To me, it smacks of desperation on the part of CF’s campaign to use something like this as an issue.
It’s a non-issue. DeVore didn’t lie, fudge or cheat.
Now where’s Carly’s fessing up that she ran HP into the ground. My portfolio took a hit under her watch. And you want to have this woman stewarding the country’s portfolio? No thanks.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
You are correct
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:26PM EST (link)MaybeDeVore stepped over some line in terms of military etiquette in how he identifies himself as a retired reserve officer, that’s a big whoop in my book. I’ll leave it to any of the multiple retired officers who read and post here on RS to pass judgment that, and I don’t think you’ll see much concern from them ether.
Go look at DeVore’s web site, he’s pretty clear on what he did and didn’t do in the reserves, and I’ve got no problem with his service, how he presents that service or anything else. It’s a dumb argument that some of the supporters of other candidates are picking fly poop out of the proverbial pepper over. DUMB argument.
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The thin stretching comment was directed at CF's campaign.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:36PM EST (link)Not the argument on this board.
There are several people I know who use titles such as CAPT John Q. Public, UNR(ret).
There are two points, 1) I stand with Aaron on the tone of his assessment and 2) Erick is right.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
I agree
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:45PM EST (link)ocleverone
I am not a fan of Carlie, but I am more of a fan of hers than Campbell, and facing facts DeVore stands ZERO chance of winning the general election.
I went looking for the link to where Carlie started this, couldn’t find it, which does not mean I doubt she said this stuff, but there was a piece in the LA Times that brought up some of these issues. Is there a link available to where this all started coming out from the Fiorina campaign?
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This is all I've found.
Diogenes314 (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:50PM EST (link)http://twitter.com/CarlyforCA/status/14363272125
Much ado about not that much.
Pretty weak
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:55PM EST (link)Diogenes314
Pretty week beer, but hey if you’re behind in the polls and probably sinking lower, you use the gifts your opponent gives you.
Carlie is actually wasting time paying any attention to DeVore, Palin’s endorsement sucked the oxygen out of his run. What’s the point?
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On the bright side...
Diogenes314 (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 3:06PM EST (link)I have no intention of letting the hysterical nature of a candidate’s fan base factor in to who I vote for to run against the Wicked Witch of the West in November.
So Chuck has that going for him.
Never say never Steve.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:54PM EST (link)George Allen was never suppose to be Governor of Virginia according to the polls.
The conventional wisdom around here poo-pooed the idea that McDonnell could win since “Obama turned Virginia Blue”.
Campaigns and dedicated workers can make up a lot of ground.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
History in CA
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 3:01PM EST (link)ocleverone
Go find where JW Howard laid out the political landscape here in CA, his comments are pretty much spot on.
DeVore is has not caught on in the Primaries, and if by some miracle he received the nomination, he would get beat badly by BABS as CA is not turning to his brand of conservatism and it’s doubtful if this state will ever shake it’s like of liberal politicians. It’s not conventional wisdom, it’s the reality of the CA general electorate not swinging towards “true conservatism”.
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Nothing ever changes ... 'til it does. nt
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BTW Steve, the CAGOP has never nominated a woman for Senate.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 3:39PM EST (link)Using your own logic on California, Carly will lose the primary.
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I don't disagree
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 4:14PM EST (link)Carlie will most likely come in second to Campbell because the true conservative pro-life base is backing DeVore and the everyone else is split amongst the very liberal Campbell and the pretending to be true conservative Carlie.
Would I be sad to see DeVore drop out in favor of a pretending to be conservative woman, no. Am I in favor of DeVore to drop out to save us from Campbell no, that’s why we have primaries and the base wants to be heard. Maybe ignored, but they will have had a chance to have their say.
In the general election, sadly Campbell or Fiorina stand a better chance of beating BABS, because of their liberalness, which appeals to voters in CA.. probably.
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I knew we would agree again eventually. ;)
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 4:19PM EST (link)Though I still disagree about the general election. Polling has actually shown DeVore stronger than Fiorina against Boxer and DeVore beating Fiorina with moderates and dems.
Of the three, I won’t argue that Campbell polls best for the general. I will note that Campbell has been known to blow his leads.
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Nonsense and nobody cares about DeVore's record now
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 4:41PM EST (link)Aaron
If DeVore won the nomination the MSM machine would have started up with pointing out his hard line Pro-Life stance, it would not have helped during the general. This is a state that can’t even pass a parental notification law, and I agree with parental notifications even as a RINO. A hard line Pro-Life stance appeals to the base in CA and to the 18 percent of Americans who agree with that stance, but CA like Mass is pretty liberal on this topic and a hard line Pro-Life candidate is not going to win in CA now.
If DeVore won the nomination, his stance on illegal immigration including the requirement for illegals to return home before applying for a a visa would have been a subject of great scorn by the MSM also. It’s also a policy issue that I disagree with DeVore on because his approach is simply not workable and there is no support in Congress for taking that hard a line. If you want that sort of sounds nice and tough, appeals to the cheap seats but nothing will actually happen stance on the issue, go see some of the others who are selling that same snake oil, see JD or Tom Tancredo. DeVore’s stance on this issue alone would most likely cost him the bulk of the CA Hispanic vote in the general.
On those two issues alone, DeVore may be your sort of conservative, but his views on these issues would not play well in the CA General election….If he won, history says the MSM will help in pointing out how conservative he is on these two issues alone, and the voters would reject him in favor or BABS because the voters at least in the general election in this state are not your kind of “true conservatives” any more than they are in Mass.
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You just can't help yourself can you Steve...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 4:50PM EST (link)I cite polling numbers and you call it nonsense … you cite polling numbers and claim it as fact.
It amazes me the contortion you go through just to ensure that you can crap on DeVore, while telling everyone how much you would like for him to win.
Until next time.
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Wrong as ususal
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:19PM EST (link)Aaron
We have consecutively established that you know absolutely nothing about California or voters in this state. However you and Ms. Ceo wish to interpret polling data based on your lack of knowledge of the state is up to you. As someone who knows little about CA, I take your comments about a race or the voters in CA at the value that they should be held, not much.
DeVore is not electable based his stance on at least two major issues where he’s out of step with the general population of a very liberal state, no matter what “true conservative SIVV like you may think.
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SteveLA, I am not a SIVV, but why should that stop you from saying it right?
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:22PM EST (link)Poll numbers are poll numbers. You are the one citing nothing but your opinion.
I would kindly ask that you refrain from calling me a SIVV in the future.
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Kowalski, it's amazing how quickly you resort to lying about me when you can't dispute the poll numbers. Telling Steve. nt
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What do you know about CA?
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:31PM EST (link)Simple questions; what qualifies you to interpret polls in CA?
What do you actually know about the state?
Do you live here?
Neil knows a lot and lives here, you ain’t Neil.
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Steve, I am not interpreting the polls...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:33PM EST (link)I simply relayed the actual numbers in the poll.
You got a problem with that, take it up with Rasmussen. I am sure he values your input.
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What part of the state?
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:34PM EST (link)What part of CA do you live in?
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What part of AZ do you live in Steve?
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:38PM EST (link)You really want to play this game again?
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Nice goal post shift
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:41PM EST (link)Which part of CA do you live in?
Have you even been in CA before?
Simple questions that you should be able to answer.
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You shifted the goal posts SteveLA...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:46PM EST (link)We were talking about the validity of numbers found in a Rasmussen poll and then you shifted the goal posts as to where I live.
I simply followed suit to show your extreme hypocrisy of your question. You routinely go off in threads concerning the AZ Sen Election. You don’t live in AZ.
So let’s go back before you shifted the goal posts.
You have a problem with Rasmussen’s numbers then take it up with Scott Rasmussen.
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Northern or Southern CA?
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:48PM EST (link)Arron,
So Northern or Southern California is where your long long long association with the region has made you an expert on the state.
Simple question.
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Northern or Southern AZ SteveLA?
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 8:02PM EST (link)Or we could bypass this silliness and you could tell me why your gut is better than citing actual poll numbers, which is where this started.
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Back for some more expert uninformed commentary?
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 8:14PM EST (link)Aaron
So you still have not qualified your expert opinions on why those of us who live in CA should be voting for DeVore based on your long association with the state. Holiday Inn Express sort of experience or something like that?
On AZ, well it’s a darn site closer for me, like just across the desert from me. I’d guess it’s a bit of a drive for you however. Doing business over there for me doesn’t hurt much ether for knowing something about the state nor do my relatives who liver there and my visits to their homes. Have you been to AZ ether or is your expertise strictly based on vast knowledge of;
I’ve information vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I know the kings of England, and I quote the fights historical.
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So no answer on why your gut is better than Rasmussen's poll. Got it. nt
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You can't motivate voters with "Me-too" rhetoric
Spiral (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:08PM EST (link)And that’s what Tom Campbell and to some extent Fiorina are offering.
Chuck DeVore at least offers an alternative to the status quo.
The Obama Bread Lines
If people were buying
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:46PM EST (link)Spiral
You’d have a point of the voters in CA general elections were buying what DeVore is selling. They are not and have not been buying the hard core conservatism of the type DeVore is for the last at least 15 years. Matter of fact sense the hard line social conservative types took over the CA Republican party there hasn’t been a state wide win by any R, and the Governator is hated by the Tom McClintock wing of the party, hard to argue with that however.
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Schwarzenegger was selling it, too
reverelth (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 7:50PM EST (link)but he did not deliver. If the conservative brand is damaged in California, it’s because of impersonators like him.
It’s not conservative governance they reject…because they are no getting it…it’s the duplicity of the campaigning from pretenders like Schwarzenegger.
How is it the “hard line social conservative types took over” if rats like Mike Villines were in leadership positions?
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Not really
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 7:57PM EST (link)reverelth
Not sure if you are in CA, but the recall of Grey Dog was over spending, and Girlyman Governator was all fire and brimstone on that topic. The phrase a “Spending problem, not a revenue problem”. Social issues, and illegal immigration were not what the recall turned on.
Arnie proved to pretty much a Girlman when it came to facing down Assembly R’s who don’t him much and kissing Democrats rear ends. He’s pretty well hated by everyone in the state now for being a Girlyman.
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Only because social issues were not on the table
reverelth (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 8:06PM EST (link)You’re kidding yourself if you think Schwarzenegger didn’t win by passing himself off as a conservative.
Your problem is, you want to paint your version of conservatives as doomed because of their stand on issues like gay marriage and illegal immigration, but they are not on the losing side of those, either in California.
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Arnie was hated
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 8:31PM EST (link)reverelth
Arnie was hated and still is by the Tom McClintock, “we are the conservatives” wing of the party. It got pretty nasty during the recall and good old Tom refused to drop out even when it was apparent that he could not win. Maybe a good thing in 20/20 hind site if McClintock had won, we’d still have had Grey Dog to kick instead of the Girlyman.
Of course DeVore and McClintock are best of friends, so all this talk of dropping out is just noise based on history.
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McClintock knows
reverelth (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 8:42PM EST (link)that anyone that passes himself off as a “fiscal conservative” like Schwarzenegger who thinks he has to get along with his political enemies by moving in their direction on social issues, will sell out on fiscal issues, too.
Therein lies the self-destruction of California Republicans.
He was right about Schwarzenegger, wasn’t he?
Where is it written you have to drop out of a primary you might not win to prove your party loyalty? How do you keep the Schwarzeneggers and Fiornias honest if they can claim to be whatever they want and there is nobody there to call them out on it?
Is it time for DeVore to get out so Fiorina can morph into her less-of-the same candidacy you believe a Republican has to run to win in a general?
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My Dad...
pamela1631 (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 1:14PM EST (link)Entered the Navy as a Boot Recruit and through hard work, opportunity and diligence, left the Navy 31 years later as a Full Commander.
Once retired, he was on the Retired Reserve list.
Ready to be called back to active duty if needed.
If Carly had told Dad he couldn’t use Commander, USN Retired,
she would have received a dressing down which would have left her quaking and apologizing for her rudeness.
Chuck needs to call her on her rudeness.
What ever happened to truth in advertising….
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Of course that's not how he described himself.
Diogenes314 (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 7:28PM EST (link)“If Carly had told Dad he couldn’t use Commander, USN Retired,
she would have received a dressing down which would have left her quaking and apologizing for her rudeness. ”
Did your dad regularly refer to himself as a Commander in the USN Reserves?
Aside from DeVore, how many retired officers do that on a regular basis?
Lots of them do.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:22PM EST (link)They earned their rank, they served and they have earned the privilege to do so.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Name One.
Diogenes314 (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:40PM EST (link)Can you think of a single public figure who uses his retired military status to put ‘reservist’ (inactive not mentioned of course) on their public resume?
Aside from Devore, of course. BTW, I’m challenging his right to call himself whatever he likes. But accusing Fiorina of “attacking his military service” over a single line on a twitter feed is a bit hysterical at best. Not to mention borderline deceptive.
I have no idea I am sure you could google and find serveral candidates.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:51PM EST (link)I disagree. How many words does it have to be before it is an attack?
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
So that's a zero that you know of.
Diogenes314 (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:57PM EST (link)An ‘attack’ on his campaign tactics, maybe. Pretty mild if it is only going out on a campaign twitter page instead of an interview, debate or press conference. It read to me more of a ‘nice doubling up to still be in third place’ blast.
And it still doesn’t attack or disparage his military service at all.
No it is me politely blowing you off. nt.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 3:00PM EST (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Same thing. nt.
Diogenes314 (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 3:08PM EST (link)Great post, Erick
aesthete (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 1:42PM EST (link)Chuck, and anyone who has been honorably discharged from the military, has earned the right to call himself a “military reservist”: it’s accurate and relevant to the campaign. Good on you for pointing out the problem with Fiorina’s statement. That said, “California to China Job Exporter” is a cheap shot that we would be better off allowing economic illiterates and protectionists (but I repeat myself) to keep for themselves. Ricardian comparative advantage allows us to increase our prosperity and that of other nations at no cost (and great benefit) to ourselves. There’s nothing unpatriotic about building one’s business model rationally, in much the same way that paying more taxes isn’t more “patriotic” (thanks for that gem of a line, Joe Biden).
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Erick have you been in the service?
jwhoward (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 3:20PM EST (link)This is what the standard is from the Department of Defense:
Military Titles and Rank
All retired personnel not on active duty are permitted to use their military titles socially and in connection with commercial enterprises. Such military titles must never be used in any manner, which may bring discredit to the Uniformed Services. The use of military titles is prohibited in connection with commercial enterprises when such use, with or without the intent to mislead, gives rise to any appearance of sponsorship or approval by the Uniformed Services or the Department of Defense.
Military titles will not be a part of the signature block of a retired servicemember when signing official correspondences as a civil service employee.
Retirees not on active duty will not use their military titles in connection with public appearances outside the United States unless such use is authorized by the appropriate overseas commander.
When military titles are used by members to sign their names to documents that pertain to them personally, they must show that they are in a retired status after the grade.
Social and business calling cards must reflect the retired status.
In a military office, retirees using military titles on the telephone could lead to confusion and unwitting misrepresentation, conveying the impression of active duty status. In any case, common sense is the guide when a retired servicemember works for the Government. No reasonable retired officer would invite awkwardness when employed in a military office by insisting on being called by military title, if such title outranks the retired servicemember’s active duty chief. The retired servicemember’s use of his rightful title in Government employment is guided by his acceptance of his civilian status and loyal conformance to the established channels of command. Local customs, practices, and conditions of employment are the primary influencing factors.
The difference between listing oneself as “military reservist” and “retired military” is significant and important. Most officers list their rank and then “(Ret)” after their names, as suggested and, in some instances, legally required.
Resume enhancement for political gain is not attractive and it is not honest.
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I wonder if Military.com minds you posting their work as your own.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 3:30PM EST (link)Because we know you didn’t write that above.
I also wonder why people are calling “Military Reservist” a military title.
But then I remember I am dealing with Fiorina sycophants and it all makes sense.
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He told you right at the top that it came from the Dept of Defense n/t
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I see that...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 4:15PM EST (link)But then again, military.com != Dept. Of Defense.
Also, since when is “Military Reservist” an official military title?
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Ahhh no
SteveLA (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 9:27PM EST (link)That would be
osd.mil, navy.mil, army.mil, af.mil, etc is DoD. . .com is a commercial site and not affiliated with DOD.
The fact that Chuck DeVore is a reserve Lt. Col. is great, and if you read his bio he started out as an enlisted guy and worked his way up the ranks. Good job…
So how much do you know about the retired military communities in CA Aaron? Big voting block that is just waiting to vote Chuck DeVore?
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Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 9:53PM EST (link)I would hope they would go for DeVore rather than Carly or Campbell, considering the former is trying to paint DeVore as Blumenthal and the latter is cozy with terrorist sympathizers.
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Earth to Devore-bot Aaron...
jwhoward (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 1:52PM EST (link)I never represented my original post as anything but a rendition of the DOD standards. But, of course, you did not see, that apparently. Nice leftist move, though, changing the subject rather than addressing the conduct. It speaks volumes
I live in a military town. I have lived with military people all my life. I am from a military family. I know the military. I am involved with that community in my city. Not one of them would list “military reservist” as a title if they were retired. They would, in accordance with DOD standards, put their rank and “ret” after their names. But you don’t want to hear that do you? It would undermine your world view.
And, by the way, in my military town, the retire officers with whom I spend so much time are uniformly (no pun intended) voting for Fiorina.
The point is that what Devore attempted to do was to inaccurately label himself for political gain and in a way that is contrary to military standards and DOD policy. Don’t like it? Take it up with DOD and stop wasting everyone’s time with trying to defend the indefensible.
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Heh, this is funny. A guy on Carly's leadership team calls me a DeVore bot.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:01PM EST (link)Actually I am just a DeVore supporter, one who happens to be a veteran of the Army.
But yeah, I am sure some hack lawyer on Carly’s leadership team is better trusted on this matter.
Especially one who thinks that “Military Reservist” is an official title governed by the DOD.
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SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:05PM EST (link)JW Howard
The shifting of goal posts is one of Aaron’s favorite charges, along with accusing someone of lying. He’ll be back soon to accuse you of ether or both.
Young Aaron probably has not spent much time in CA, maybe a stay in a Holiday Inn Express or two, so he’s fully qualified in his mind to talk about retired military folks. It’s the same qualification that he brings to his usual support of DeVore with the general electorate in the state, but on RS that’s pretty much to be expected.
I too live in a town with a large military presence and a sizable community of retired military that I work with on a daily basis. While the fact that DeVore is a retired Lt. Col is not a bad thing, the fact that he’s just another retired reservist without a record of being an outspoken advocate of veterans; Pete Knight, and the disgraced Duke Cunningham come to mind, means about nothing out here. That’s not a real knock on DeVore, he is rightfully proud of his service and I applaud it as I do for all who served our country honorably. As a big deal reason to vote for Mr. DeVore, not so much, and how he identifies himself as a matter of military etiquette, not so much ether.
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I only accuse people of lying and shifting goal posts when they do.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:09PM EST (link)You of all people should know that Steve.
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OK Sparky
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:18PM EST (link)So how much do you know about CA, spent a lot of time out here that allows you to back up what you keep telling us about how DeVore is such a great fit with the voters of CA, the military veterans and all the other groups in CA you speak as an expert on? I think JW Howard has been trying to explain reality to you, sadly you’re not getting it.
Oh one more thing, between my dad, my brother and myself, 58 years on active duty and my own over 30 years work in the defense industry.
It’s probably getting close to the point when you “spit the dummy” and go vulgar, I’ll await that show sparky.
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Keep it up SteveLA, you are doing wonders for Carly.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:23PM EST (link)I am not going to respond to your first paragraph since it has no real basis in reality, except for one point. JW Howard has willfully ignored evidence which disproves his claims. If that is who you choose as a reliable source, more power to you.
As far as military service goes, I served. As did my father and his father and his father’s father. I don’t think I really need to justify my service or my knowledge of the military to you.
You are the one calling me names, as you usually do. So maybe you were talking to yourself in that last sentence.
Have a great day Steve.
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I'll see your 58 and raise you 7.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:29PM EST (link)So what on the 58? Does that validate your opinions more?? That is argument is lame.
I think Aaron gets it just fine.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
What...all 3 of them? nt
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:43PM EST (link)To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
One last thing:
jwhoward (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 1:54PM EST (link)Are you saying what I put in my post was in any way inaccurate?
Nope. Because it is accurate and correct.
JW Howard
Yes it was inaccurate.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 2:15PM EST (link)You infer that “Military Reservist” is an official military title governed by the DOD.
That is inaccurate.
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Erick Brockway (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 3:32PM EST (link)Lt.Col. Chuck DeVore, USA.
“Military Reservist” is NOT a signature title, therefore not governed by the above.
Further, when one retires from the military on a non-medical retirement, he or she is transferred to the Retired Reserve so I don’t see any problem with calling oneself a “Military Reservist” at that point.
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johnm Friday, May 21st at 6:31PM EST (link)Did Carly serve? Did Carly marry anyone who served? Did she have a son who she encouraged to server?
I doubt it. Carly reminds me of the rich elites who think military service is for the poor people who need the GI Bill to go to college.
OK SO Military Reservist is Wrong Fortune 500 CEO is Right
psmith Friday, May 21st at 6:53PM EST (link)Carly, IF the truth be told about YOUR title it would be FAILED CEO of a Fortune 500 company. It would be, FIRED CEO of a Fortune 500 company. Then hey, if DeVore has a spotless record as tested by liberal radio show host John Rothmann, let’s make up a few things and nit pick. So a Russian bribery scandal hanging over the head is just fine, sales to Iran is just fine, lying to ABC about internet taxes is just fine, (or she just forgot). WAIT, this a mispseak that the Democrats keep using. Radical gender statements caught on audio tape, could have been Boxer for all we know. BUT OH NO A “Military Reservist” title. HELP SOUND THE SIRENS he’s gone up in the polls. PANIC PANIC try to denigrate his service. Servicemen and women don’t like TRUST ME. Ms. Foxer, I mean Biorina, I mean Fiorina.
Carly Fiorina and her shills are an absolute joke. NO ONE can take these people serious as true conservatives.
This forum is a great example of why the California GOP is worthless.
Andrew_D (Diary) Friday, May 21st at 9:16PM EST (link)All you people do is hate. Good luck with your Grecian Banana Republic.
The California GOP is worthless
reverelth (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 4:01PM EST (link)because it’s always looking over its shoulder at what the Democrat chattering class says about it.
Arnold Schwarzenegger tried to like everyone. Where did it get him?
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He was running for Senator
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 4:22PM EST (link)reverelth
Arnie the girlyman Governator was running for Senator for the longest time and that’s what got him into the mess he finds his ratings and the way people think about him today. It’s pretty much dead politically now being neither a raving R budget hawk or a tax and spend Democrat, nobody likes him.
Why get tough on spending and be seen as a hardliner, go along to get along with Donks and get elected Senator
Why get tough on illegal immigration, and be seen as a racist, go along and get along with the Donks and the Hispanic community and get elected Senator.
Girlyman Governator was the proverbial chicken crossing the road, got hit from both directions by the twin trucks of a recession and the tea party movement and now the actions of Arizona.
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IJB Saturday, May 22nd at 4:26PM EST (link)There’s little the GOP can do in a state like CA – the state is just plum Democrat dominated. There’s nothing they can really do to change that until underlying demographics change.
CA is basically cursed with a weak Governor (as an office – the Governor can’t do squat because all the other Dem-dominated Executive offices can prevent a CA Gov from getting anything done) and a stupid 2/3 requirement for passing budgets in the Legislature which only serves to obfuscate what Democrat-dominated politics have done to the state (‘cos everything that passes has to be “bipartisan”).
CA is structurally doomed, and I doubt there’s anything the CA GOP can do about it, except get out of the way and let it collapse…
Is California in worst shape than New Jersey?
Spiral (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 5:06PM EST (link)As I understand it, Governor Christie is shaking things up in New Jersey. Now, I realize that it is early in Christie’s term of office. But if it is possible to turn things around in New Jersey (and I realize that New Jersey has not been turned around yet), why would California be any different?
Ok. I do think that California’s fetish for govenment by referenda is bad and the 2/3rds requirement for passing a state budget is a little rediculous too. But if liberal New Jersey can see the light, why should we think that California can’t?
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NJ Must Be Better Structured Than CA...
IJB Saturday, May 22nd at 7:12PM EST (link)…With a stronger Governor who isn’t burdened with a bunch of other executive officers to worry about.
In CA, the best a Governor is likely to be able to do is ‘Line Item Veto’ parts of budgets – by the time budgets get to the Gov’s desk, it’s already been forced to pass by 2/3 so presumably, as an entire package, it’ll be veto-proof. So the best a CA Gov can do is remove parts of a budget piecemeal.
As we have seen, in CA a Governor is basically unable to even fire or furlough state workers, which means there’s about diddly-squat a CA Gov can do.
As for referenda, on balance, I’d much rather have them than not – referenda on fiscal matters should probably be outlawed, but initiatives are the only thing that’s worked in CA voters’ favor on revenue (tax) matters and social issues.
If it weren’t for referenda, I suspect the state would be even worse off…
Blow it all up
SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 7:20PM EST (link)IJB
I’m waiting for a Republican Governor in CA who has the guts to put his/her boot up the back side of the Republicans in the Assembly by going all medieval on the budget. Thought that was what we were getting with the Girlman Governator, but alas we got someone that didn’t want to p*** anyone off so he could run for higher office.
I’d love to see a R Governor just cut to pieces the crud budget that comes out of the Assembly and watch all heck break loose. Might cost that Governor his/her next term but the explosion and the resulting conversation about what we can afford and would be in the same realm of what Governor Criste is doing in NJ right now. It’s going to take that sort of slap in the face to get people in CA to pay attention to the games the idiots from both the D and R parties get up to in Sacramento.
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The 2/3 requirement is for tax increases only
reverelth (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 7:38PM EST (link)not all general budgets.
It’s the one card Republicans can play, but don’t.
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The 2/3 card WAS played by the Cal GOP, wasn't it?
Erick Brockway (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 10:02PM EST (link)I know it’s been over a year, but wasn’t it Abel Maldonado who earned Pariah status (right before Ah-nold made him Lt. Governor) by pushing the tax increase over the 2/3 limit?
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SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 10:25PM EST (link)But Maldonado was just the first one to get his price. Other cowardly Republicans in the Assembly were willing to do so also, the price for their prostitution just was not met.
Governator Girlyman payed the right price for Abe it seems.
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Briefly
reverelth (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 10:25PM EST (link)but Democrats peeled away enough defectors to pass the tax increases anyway.
If Republicans are losers in California, it’s because of their self-inflicted and misdirected desire to get along with Democrats and be better liked.
It doesn’t work.
You know, Schwarzenegger only went off on his lefty friendly green initiatives after he was an absolute failure at dealing with fiscal issues. Now he’s hated on both sides.
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Briefly
reverelth (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 10:25PM EST (link)but Democrats peeled away enough defectors to pass the tax increases anyway.
If Republicans are losers in California, it’s because of their self-inflicted and misdirected desire to get along with Democrats and be better liked.
It doesn’t work.
You know, Schwarzenegger only went off on his lefty friendly green initiatives after he was an absolute failure at dealing with fiscal issues. Now he’s hated on both sides.
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No - The 2/3 Requirement Is For Passing The *Budget*, Not Just Taxes (nt)
IJB Sunday, May 23rd at 12:00AM EST (link)that is correct IJB n/t
Wine Country Dog (Diary) Tuesday, May 25th at 4:52AM EST (link)..
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reverelth (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 8:50PM EST (link)If Schwarzenegger has not proved to be completely un-effing-reliable on fiscal issues, he would have the political capital to deal with immigration the way the majority of Californians want to. But now he’s just dead meat because he has squandered everything and can do nothing.
He can’t do what most Californians want to do and get in Barack Obama’s face on immigration because he’s on the hook for bailouts.
So where have his Hollywood friendly social positions gotten him?
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Who are the success stories
reverelth (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 9:00PM EST (link)of fiscal conservatives who accommodated the left on social issues? Rudy Giulliani? Came up way short on the national stage. Michael Bloomberg? A crackpot who only got re-elected because his opponent was an even bigger crackpot.
Who are they, Steve?
Republicans in California had the votes to stop the biggest tax increase ever, but they didn’t.
They’re not even on the hook on social issues like gay marriage, thanks to Referendum.
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Who are the success stories
reverelth (Diary) Saturday, May 22nd at 9:00PM EST (link)of fiscal conservatives who accommodated the left on social issues? Rudy Giulliani? Came up way short on the national stage. Michael Bloomberg? A crackpot who only got re-elected because his opponent was an even bigger crackpot.
Who are they, Steve?
Republicans in California had the votes to stop the biggest tax increase ever, but they didn’t.
They’re not even on the hook on social issues like gay marriage, thanks to Referendum.
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