Donald Lambro has the top story at Human Events.
Anyone who thinks the battle against Obamacare is over does not understand the depth of the opposition to this massive government expansion and the forces of freedom that will be challenging its despotic provisions.
President Obama and the Democrats narrowly won a majority for a bill that will explode federal spending and debt, drive consumer medical care costs through the roof, and lead to healthcare rationing.
But there is yet another vote to come on this bill in November when Obamacare will be the paramount political battleground in the midterm elections that will likely lead to the defeat of at least 30 House Democrats, and possibly more, and easily half a dozen Senate Democrats–effectively killing Obama’s agenda for the remainder of his term.
But that’s only a part of the political, legal and institutional forces arrayed against the bill’s many anti-choice healthcare mandates and new taxes that Democrats sent to Obama late Sunday night.
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Wishful thinking without a strategy
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 10:21AM EST (link)Especially this part;
Democrats already have a prepared strategy that effectively has two parts;
1- Show the immediate benefits that will accrue from health care passage. Ignore and deflect the future effects by showing the CBO analysis that indicates after 10 years cost go down, etcetera.
2- Turn the negative to a positive by embracing and promoting health care passage as a positive, not negative. For example Scott Murphy in NY is already using this as a “fundraiser”.
If our strategy continues consist of an attempt to stoke peoples anger until November, we might as well embrace ObamaCare and the Democrat majority now.
Where are the common talking points which clearly articulate, in small sound bites the long term negative affects of this legislation. Even more important, where are the clear individual and party voices speaking these simple phrases? Where is the clear legislative strategy for the next 8 months that focuses on every piece of potential legislation, most importantly jobs, and the associated ideas which we will promote, ad nauseum, with the voting public?
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
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aesthete (Diary) Thursday, March 25th at 3:07AM EST (link)Also, the new talking point, as of yesterday, must be something like this:
This isn’t a public option, or the European/Canadian system: it’s much, much worse. It forces you, by virtue of being born in the US of A, to have to buy insurance. It is, essentially, a taxpayer-funded love letter from the Democrats to the healthcare industry.
This keeps conservatives stoked, depresses liberal support for the bill, and generally ticks off moderates of all stripes.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Doctors could kill this bill
Wes_W Wednesday, March 24th at 10:31AM EST (link)In order to receive healthcare you have to have a Doctor. Their isnt any tort reform in this bill, Medicare and Medicaid pay scales are horrible (and going to get worse), and the time it takes a doctor to receive the payment from the government takes too long. If doctors just stopped seeing any patients that are on the Medicare/Medicaid program wouldnt that shut down the system? I know this sounds like a drastic measure, but I dont see how doctors can survive financially when this bill goes into affect.
The doctors will not see you now
izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 11:05AM EST (link)The doctor may be in the office but you won’t see him anymore.
For legal reasons the doctor will “see” you. What are people going to do? With a government run system there won’t be anything they can do. You wanted it – you got it. Stay healthy.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
One poll already shows the bill being viewed much more favorably
Joe Cor (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 10:33AM EST (link)How much was opposition to the bill driven by the process and its endlessness, and just the fact that it wouldn’t go away? Now that’s all gone. How really opposed are people to socialized medicine? Surely, there is a large, passionate number of voters who detest this thing. But will that really translate to a tsunami in November? How will GOP congresspeople keep the American people — who even now are more preoccupied with which group of tall teenagers will win a national award for putting a ball through a basket the most number of times than they are about their liberties — focused on this monstrosity till November? It looks like a daunting messaging challenge.
The GOP needs to step up it's Communications game ...
Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 10:45AM EST (link)… but I won’t hold my breath.
What communications game?
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 10:52AM EST (link)You have to have game first, before you step it up.
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
5. That is true. [nt]
Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 11:50AM EST (link)The people with the pitchforks
Joe Cor (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 12:07PM EST (link)are why this bill took so long to pass, not GOP messaging. The best hope of keeping the public focused may be to keep the heat up at townhalls, which is where most of the public first found out that stuff in this bill wasn’t good.
Obamacare will lead to bankrupty, not rationing
youngmonte (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 10:57AM EST (link)As someone who has spent a good portion of his life around congressmen and congresswomen and undersand how they think, I believe conservatives get it wrong when they say this bill will lead to rationing. It will surely lead to bankruptcy, but not rationing.
Consider what will happen the first time granny is denied treatment of almost any kind. What will she do? Why, she’ll call her congressman. And what will he do? He’ll raise hell with whatever bureaucrat or insurance company executive denied the treatment. If granny is still denied the treatment, he’ll introduce legistlation to expand coverage to treat granny’s aliment and he’ll make floor speeches about the unfairness of granny’s situation. The media will pick up on it and run sob stories about granny and the others like her. Before you know it, Obamacare will grow and grow.
Don’t believe it? Have we ever cut benefits for Social Security or Medicare despite their precarious fiscal conditions? No – in the case of Medicare we’ve expanded them. What makes anyone think it will be different with Obamacare? Because we can’t afford it? Since when has that stopped liberals from doing anything? The end result will be higher taxes, more borrowing, a moribund economy and, eventually, bankruptcy.
We conservatives like to say that government is too powerful and it is. But most of the fiscal and budgetary damage is done because government is too weak in that it can never say “No.”
That is why many out of work doctors
izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 11:02AM EST (link)will start running for congress. I see a tidal wave of doctors coming to take back the country. They will toss the lawyers out.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Bankruptcy? Value Added Tax (VAT) will be coming up soon.
louisiana (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 11:42AM EST (link)Make no mistake about it, the Demonrats are like heroin addicts & their “fix” is our money.
You just outlined
Steph C (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 11:45AM EST (link)why it will be bankruptcy. Even with a VAT we will go bankrupt because it will take more and more to get their “high.”
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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More law and legal suit challenges
renny (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 11:26AM EST (link)New Jersey Physicians, Inc., submitted their own suit yesterday in federal court in Newark, NJ, yesterday
Barbara Bachman (R-MN) already (Mon.) has introduced .H.R. #4309 to repeal the Obamanationcare. Not, that at the moment, the bill has a snow ball’s chance in H*ell, but it keeps the pressure on.
Why would the bill not have a snowballs chance in hell?
GJ Merits (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 2:02PM EST (link)If the citizens got behind it and told the legislature they will hold them accountable (as well as the governor). I don’t know if one can recall state officials in that state, but that is a leveraged threat that can be used.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
Why would the bill not have a snowballs chance in hell?
GJ Merits (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 2:02PM EST (link)If the citizens got behind it and told the legislature they will hold them accountable (as well as the governor). I don’t know if one can recall state officials in that state, but that is a leveraged threat that can be used.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.
What about Cap-and-Trade?
eastbaylarry (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 12:23PM EST (link)Let’s not forget that Obamacare is only one bullet in the progressive ammo clip. Cap-and-Trade has already passed congress and is now in the senate.
Cap-and-Trade is the ulitmate economy killer. We here at RedState need to stop this part of the progressives’ program also.
2+2=4 dammit!
If only the Republicans had a good PR Strategy...
chbroussard (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 12:29PM EST (link)….I think there would be a lot more people that would get behind “repeal the bill.” Republicans have shown almost no PR strategy in the past, as they have had a bunker full of ammunition on almost every issue but have failed to use it. If I was heading up the PR, this is how I’d start:
1. First, you have to realize that we’re dealing with a majority of the electorate that don’t have the IQ that God gave a cucumber. Therefore, the arguments have to be very simple and easy to understand.You can’t just say it needs to be repealed. Remember the lady who came to get her Obama money and he guy who said passage of health care was like Christmas? He wasn’t going to have to worry about healthcare any more. This is what we’re dealing with.
2. Second, use the Democrats in their own words. Play over and over again how they said one thing and then contridicted themselves in a later statement. You have to play it over and over again. Again, a bunker full of ammunition if we would only use it.
3. Home in on items where there is an almost universal distrust. We have been handed the perfect weapon….the IRS. EVERYONE hates the IRS. So use it to our advantage. Every day hammer in the fact that the IRS will be hiring 16,000 new agents to check up on you to see if you have the appropriate government approved insurance, and if you don’t, you will be fined. And more audits. They will track you down and come to your door.
4. Remind people (again, over and over) that not only Congress but their key staff people have been exempted from the health care that they are cramming down our throats.
5. An earlier post suggested getting doctors on board. Excellent idea. The Dems would have you believe that all doctors are behind this. The AMA does not represent the majority of doctors, so get the others doctors out front. I would bet that everyone respects their own doctor more than their congressman.
This won’t change all minds, but it could be a start. The Dems, with assistance from the media, will be out there telling everyone how great this is going to be. In the simplist terms possible, we need to explain to them that it’s not.
Exactly. The GOP should launch a continuous ad campaign ...
Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 7:14PM EST (link)… highlighting everything that is wrong with this bill, from the basic idea that government should be in charge of individual’s healthcare decisions, to the rotten process of its enactment, the multitude of promises broken to get it to the President’s desk, to its disastrous effect on the nation’s fiscal health, etc.
They should create a website with a prominent donate page and pledge that every penny collected would be used to produce the ads and keep them on-air from now until the day it is repealed.
Tea Partiers would be more than happy to contribute generously and continuously to such an effort and it would serve to keep the issue on voters’ minds as well as educate them on why this bill violates every principle the Founders held dear.
That would be my advice if I had some Party big shot’s ear.
Time Will Kill The Passion...Unless
GJ Merits (Diary) Wednesday, March 24th at 2:00PM EST (link)I had a long talk with a DC insider who works a great deal on media campaigns and he is convinced, based upon his own observations over the years, that seven months from now this will be off most peoples radar screen.
A prime example that I experienced myself with another DC insider is what happened after the 2 million march on DC. Insiders reported Democrat staffers literally wringing their hands in fear. Three weeks later the statement one staffer used was (excuse my French), “The Tea Party just blew its wad”. The pressure was never sustatained – due to the lack of organizational structure, which for some reason the groups seemed to be proud of.
My own diving into the issue was an experience to be remembered. A true grassroots uprising has three conclusions: revolution that resolves the issue (think of the French), a dying out of the movement, or a re-alignment and realization that it is time to organize and have leaders. The let’s all run about and do our own thing just does not work. Their are national, state, and local strategies that must be executed. Think of one organization – company, sports team, whatever – that survived without a leadership structure that was cohesive and marched to a set of top-down directives. I can’t.
So to keep the passion alive will require a massive PR campaign. Who will fund it? Who will run it? What will the message be? How will we keep the passions stoked?
The message must be clear and tied to an overall theme. Not just why the bill is bad, but why the ideology behind it is bad. It would be to our benefit if Obama and company attempted cap-and-tax and other socialist programs, but only if our side did not assist them, obstructed, and made those items a part of the larger narrative. That’s a heavy lift with guys like Graham and McCain on your side. Let’s see how long Graham sticks to his promise of no immigration reform is ObamaCare goes through reconciliation.
So the pressure must be on the GOP leadership to buck up, not to submit, to obstruct like crazy and tell the nation why they are obstructing, and NO MORE stupid televised meetings with Obama. Yes, we performed well, but in the end it fed the Democrats narrative of “see, we tried to reach out”. Meet with the enemy only if you are going to surrender or they are going to surrender. There is no other reason to meet with them.
So any ideas which organization is going to take on this task. My recommendation is for heavy coordination that involves an alliance of many orgs. As time is of the essence, this needs to start right now and the coordination needs to begin yesterday.
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….James Madison
If you want to go fast – go alone. If you want to go far – go together.
To win against tyranny you must embrace not only novel solutions, but fear of the unknown as well.