Another thing to do is start supporting the opponents of these so-called Blue Dogs. Let’s make Stupak the poster boy for what happens when you defy the will of the people. Here’s his opponent’s Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=287806148754

He’s gone from 300 to over 6k group members and climbing in the last few hours. He’d be an excellent candidate to consider dropping a money bomb on, pending vetting.

I want to support conservatives who can win primaries. Please do another summary of conservative primary candidates we can elect who will really support killing this after Nov. Sorry for the threadjack, but givning some more money is all I can do.

any schmuck sign it…Bob Bennett (Utah) has already signed on.

BTW…Lindsey Graham better hold to his pledge to be un-cooperative with shutting down Gitmo and working on Immigration.

Also, Orin Hatch had better grown a f’in spine

That sounds good on its surface, but the only way we can do that is with a Republican in the White House. Do people have a long enough attention span to hang on to that idea for three more years?

Thanks for providing ideas for a way forward, Erick. I’m just not sure how realistic it is.

My time and bank account is ready to go.

My time and bank account is ready to go.

just for the abortion language? It would be more effective if it does.

…for pro-life provisions – caught on tape last Oct? – http://www.madeiraforcongress.com/media/video/319

Now before anyone goes whoosh or worse – hear me out.

I know “Elections have consequences” – heard that a lot in fact. Thing is, two of the things I remember about the election of 2008 were that John McCain was in favor of taxing so-called “Cadilac Health Plans” and Barack Obama was against it. The other thing I remember is that if you made less than $250,000/yr and Barack Obama was elected your taxes would NOT go up.

Seems to me this Senate HCR bill language is going to tax so-called “Cadilac Health Plans” and it’s going to increase taxes on people who make less than $250,000/yr if they don’t buy some type of “approved” health insurance. So that seems like at least two reasons why President Obama should veto this bill.

Now, I’m not in the market for the Brooklyn bridge and I’m not holding my breath waiting for Barack Obama to veto this thing, but …

if he signs it it seems to me he’s just created his very George Bush Sr. “Read my lips moment”

I Especially appreciate the second

RINOs must be exstensively monitored and blasted

Realistically only can work if the GOP proposes the exact Senate bill WORD for WORD PLUS the Stupak language.

That would (hopefully) force the Stupak half dozen to support the motion — what is their excuse? Along with the GOP and the hardcore Dem no’s, the motion could, emphasis could, get 216 votes.

But the GOP has to swallow its pride here and not include any other changes to the Senate bill in the motion. I don’t think they will be willing to do that.

…against all those so-called “pro-life” or “fiscally conservative” Dems, and they just cannot find it in themselves to defend basic morality and logic.

As has been predicted, a mainly white Dem Congress will NOT let MAObama go away from this as if a failure has occurred. Something will pass, because the FIRST AFRO-AMERICAN prez cannot fail!

Even when he does!

Mr. Erickson: Point #1 must be trumpeted daily, along with a plan easily understood and summarized to replace Hell-th Care a la MAObama.

Chris Wallace was repeating the latest line from the pessimists this morning (playing Devil’s Advocate, I hope) in talking to Paul Ryan: It can never be repealed, because once Americans get entitlements they don’t want to give them up.

We know that this pessimism is wrong in various ways for this bill: the taxes arrive first before any “entitlement payments” show up. And Americans see how this will cause long-term bankruptcy, which is why nearly 3/5 of us say NO!

40 years in the political wilderness for the Dems is what we hope for!
Perhaps we have one last chance to preserve American exceptionalism and independence: otherwise the light on that hill will be extinguished forever, thanks to BIG BRObama and the Dems deliberately cutting the power.

The best way to neuter this bill is to pass another bill that empowers individuals to solve their own health care problems.

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Individuals can establish their own health savings accounts funded with pre-tax dollars and use the money to pay doctors, hospitals and labs directly. Individuals who make this choice are relieved of any responsibility to contribute to any national health care plans whatever for the life of their health savings account.
If an individual elects this option, should his health savings account become overdrawn, the U.S. Government will cover the overdraft. The individual is required to repay the account.
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This is a one page bill. No funding of any health care bill should be permitted to exit the HOUSE if this bill is not passed.

Medicare and Social Security had quite a bit of bi-partisan support and wasn’t sleazed into law. Dems are going to get wiped out in November. It will be a political bloodbath.
You need to keep in mind what happened in Massachusetts with Scott Brown.
His election was a direct result of what happens when the voters got to weigh in on this health care scam and weigh in we will in November.
That is one vote the Dems can’t bribe or deem or delay or control.
They had their little orgy of unchecked arrogance and power tonight but it will not stand.
In November they will pay the piper.

…and before we purge the RINOs, I think it’s worth noting that it would have been awfully helpful if we had had the votes of Specter and Dierdre Scozzafava to help stop this bill, loathsome RINO creatures though they are.

…until it’s repealed and give it the heck back immediately.

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Bring It On. I’ll Never Surrender What has been Ordained Only by God-not the state. To do anything else, would be an affront to Him.

Next Please.

Needed to be here with all of you. I will continue to fight, but I am just absolutely sickened by this.

I would greatly prefer to be able to count on a political victory here, and I will do everything I can to support this in 2010 and 2012. But I would also serve notice to the Democrats – you are pushing me to the point where my resistance will no longer be limited to the political sphere. I am sick and tired of a legislature that considers my God-given and Constitutionally-affirmed rights to be nothing more than speed bumps to be thrown away for the social justice flavor of the week, and a Court too interested in penumbras and emanations to uphold a straightforward document.

I am one of those who does not consider the current government to have the consent of the governed, and who considers the Federal government as the primary risk to the rights of all Americans. I still hold out hope that a political solution may win the day, but if it does not, I would rather see the trouble of Securing new Guards for our future security come in my time, that my children might be spared the cost of my generations’ decisions.

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And wouldn’t accept the motion. The Rs didn’t fight it. Don’t know what’s happening or why.

THAT THERE WAS ONLY 103 TOTALLY SAFE SEATS FOR THE DEMS.We should start with the hard ones and work our way back

Right now I’m listening to a pundit on the radio saying how important it is that 30 million people will now have all their medical expenses paid for. Almost tearful, he’s saying we used to think Mexico was a third world country but we must realize they pay for 100% of healthcare (meaning they’re superior to the US). No sadness expressed for older people who definitely will die sooner due to near extinction of medicare. There is a perfect storm of people who worked and saved and paid into medicare all their life to reach a certain age who’ve also just lost most of their life savings and home value in the sub prime scandal (plenty of people are still in the limelight who could have prevented that). Many elderly will soon be out of money. People like Gingrich and Rove will be in the spotlight more than ever now and they are the last people who need or deserve to be heard. It is time for lawyers to get busy. It worked for the left.

GOP did was not get press moments months and months ago, way before this thing had legs. I mean face — if not for Scott Brown, we’d not have managed to take things this far, right? And Scott Brown, assuredly with Mitt Romney’s and Romney’s people’s wind at Brown’s back, is the ONLY reason we are being heard now.

How to be heard? We have to have the cameras on us, not on Obama, not on Pelosi, not on Reid. We have to cause an inevitability of our own as they did. That means we have to say something, say it again and again, stick to it, but….it’s useless unless we get videos to go viral AND unless we get face time on tv. By “We” I mean GOP elected officials. They need to grab the spotlight.

What’s the only thing that causes face time on tv? The logos, the reasoned approach of a Cantor or a Ryan? No, those kind get face time only if someone else has paved the way for them with what the media views as a ratings-grabber. In other words, the GOP needs someone who is passionate, fiery w/out being mean-spirited, someone whose pathos grabs even the CNN cameras.

It’s not really a good cop/ bad cop routine, but a logical/ emotional routine. Now is the time for the GOP to steal back the heart of the middle and working class.

I’ve always believed they have packaged themselves too sloppily or that they haven’t even attempted to package themselves. They have allowed the middle and working class to believe the GOP is home only to the people who live behind gates and walls.

In this day and age of effective marketing strategies, there is absolutely no reason for the average American to continue to believe that the GOP is the home only to those who can afford fast foreign cars or those whose dads drove a Chrysler those who are uneducated Bible thumpers. Yes, I said it, “Bible thumpers.”

Unfortunately, that is how the Dems have managed to portray Christians. They have managed to link the GOP with Southern, white illiterates or with religious hucksters like Elmer Gantry or with people who are the opponents of science like William Jennings Bryant.

The “What does a Republican look like” vision is all a mish-masn of those stereotypes in the eyes of CA residents. How sad it is to know that we start off each Presidential cycle ceding the largest block of electoral votes to the enemy and that the wealth of the state goes immediately into the coffers of the DNC.

No matter our demographics, CA is still winnable–if only the GOP could shed its Party of Old, Rich Men Who Belong to Country Club images.

So, is there anyone in the Senate or the House, anyone you see who could, with some prep, become the firebrand of whom I speak?

It feels good to call for repeal, but the easiest course in politics is not to do anything and the hardest is to take away benefits. The hard right in the Republican Senate and House may be interested in repeal, but you are not going to find 60 senate votes that easily.
This debacle for the Republicans is the result of two straight disastrous elections giving the Dems not just control of the Congress and WH, but 60 Dem senators. It would only have been 59 if not for Specter’s switch. The roots of today’s events stretch back to the 2006 election.

Live in a flood-plane, earthquake zone, it doesn’t matter. Same with life insurance. The democrats are throwing out the word “discrimination” as a prejorative word. Yeah, it’s “descrimination,” but it’s not the bad kind. It’s reality.

Am I right in that it was not accepted. Why wasn’t it accepted, and why didn’t the Republicans push it?

The only thing that can be done at this point is for everyone to openly commit right now to not accept or buy health insurance (or insure employees if you own a business) and to not pay the penalty. If enough people did, the program would be starved.

No one here wants to take this option seriously; no one has even vowed to do it. But it is FAR easier and FAR more realistic than getting any sort of action from an elected or appointed official.

Motion is…silence

Punts, and says he’ll wait for Nancy Pelosi to take the gavel.

The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. (The Lord also sets them up, and knocks them down, I’ve heard). The government taketh away to give.

Entitlements can and are taken away or reduced. Remember welfare reform?

Part of this bill includes cutting Medicare. Although the plan is to put the Docfix back in, it is possible to actually pass a bill that cuts entitlements. Dems just did it. Republicans can too.

Here in the great state of Michigan, welfare no longer buys people cars and pays for the repairs. I don’t hear the outcry, mainly because not many knew about this. It’s small, but when you run out of money, you have to triage what is really important. The mayor of Detroit wants to abandon and bulldoze down part of the city. and he is a Democrat and black.

holding him accountable and you are absolutely, freakin’ right.

So, instead of protestors congregating on the steps of the Capitol, how about organizng protests outside the headquarters of all the major media outlets. Present them with videos of Obama on the stump, cause enough of a ruckus that they have to cover the protest, and they have to air the videos?

This sounds like a job for the tea partiers–a Hold the Media Accountable for Vetting and for Reporting protest.

Maybe that’s the direction we need to go–protests that call for the RETURN OF JOURNALISM, a call for the Rising from the Ashes of the Fourth Estate.

But wait, before it can rise like a phoenix from the ashes, we must first burn it.
So, first some peaceful bonfires, no? By God, I think it’s a good idea. Bonfires all over the country marking the death of journalism and then a call for the rebirth of the fourth estate.

It’s truly a magic bill.

(Still istening to this b.s.)

So says Nancy.

“A right and not a privilege,” says Ted Kennedy. What about free food?

The Democrats always talk about these individual stories of people who are struggling and sick. Yes, it’s very sad, Nancy, but your bill will not work to solve the problem of reducing health care costs that will ensure that these people can get the medical care that they need. We are not going to be able to continue to help people or protect our country if the government is bankrupt!

Kay Bailey H. Yes, cloture. OMG, the enemy from w/in. Much as the twins were just as bad, one has to remember their roots, liberal NE.

But Hutch? Texas? We should hand her if effigy so that every damn last RINO sees what is in store for them. Do you see how we are now sounding like we are ready for a fight. No more ladies and gentlemen stuff.

if you read the lefty columns they truly beleive that we are only upset about the process. the great obama will spin his magic and come november we will forget all of this, no harm no foul.
It’s a baby not a process. I will not forget

I do believe that is what we should call it.

What say you?

if every Republican Governor, Attorney General, Every Republican Congress Critter…and every Republican/conservative group out there banded together and filed a request with the Supreme Court for an injunction to stop HCR’s implementation pending a decision on it’s constitutionality from the US Supreme Court?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in Washington—Fred Thompson

This shall “go” down as the Civil Rights’ Fight of the 21st Century.

She totally bastardized the Constitution and our founding fathers, please hurry up and vote, I can’t take it any more. This bill is poison with a candy coating, Democrats talk about the candy only and ignore the poison, this is the death of our great country as it was intended, and they passed it.

in the bread lines. So much for Pelosi not having the votes.

We are no longer free.

Does that happen right after the vote on the bill?

the Japanese warlords felt right after they bombed Pearl Harbor.

How Al Qaeda felt after bringing the World Trade Center down.

This will be a hollow, Pyrrhic victory for the dems.

History will show that this day March 21, 2010 was the beginning of the end of the democratic party. D.C. will be in chaos for the rest of Obama’s term – how ever long it may last.

While it may be true that to ‘fully’ repeal Obamacare we’ll need the White House (which just got a LOT easier to recapture after tonight’s Socialistic power-grab), we can certainly take a mighty nice step toward repealing it next year after we take back the House. All spending bills must, by law, originate in the House, and Im thinking that a Republican House will pass 0 dollars for Obamacare and the enormous beurocracy required to run it. Whatever else Obama can veto, he can’t veto what isn’t passed in the first place . No money for Obamacare = neutered Obamacare. Then whatever is left of it President Palin repeals in 2013. I’d say thats a simple, yet very effective, plan for total victory .

Honestly, I tuned out, depressed, decided to have a few beers and watch college basketball.

I said it before I left, our guys wree still fighting God bless ‘em. It may be a 1 in a 10000 chance, but its better than nothing.

in Viet-Nam when overrun by the Cong, one commander called in fire, on his own position which saved the day. What, would be the political equivalent,? When the enemy of our freedom’s is not at the gate, but within the compound ,called Congress. and the S.C.O.T.U.S. with lifetime positions.
We need to get rid of lifetime politicians. We need new principled people , who believe in an exceptional Nation, who hold to the founders vision, who believe in the Individual’s rights. Who believe in a hand up not a hand out.
Making a living. Not being good at politics, and trusting pols. at their word, has gotten us into this mess. and I’m as guilty as anybody, but that has changed, We are, as a people , even while being misinformed by the lame stream media, have managed by instinct or the internet and other means, realize we cannot trust, but must investigate, by whatever means possible, those who want power over us, instead of representing us, so we can boot them out.
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