Terrific Article on Rand Paul


It is looking more and more like Rand Paul is going to make it through the Kentucky GOP Primary. There is a great article out today that I encourage you to read if you are on the fence.

Grayson has attacked Rand Paul as being in favor of abortion and legalizing drugs, perhaps confusing Rand’s positions with those of his even-more-libertarian father. Rand Paul calls the claims patently false. His Web site declares that “Rand’s socially conservative views have earned the respect and trust of church leaders across Kentucky.”

Rand Paul is also more mainstream conservative on national defense. Rand is an interventionist, unlike his father, who believes the U.S. should not send troops to global hot spots. And Rand thinks Guantanamo prisoners should be tried in military courts, while his father has suggested civilian courts.

I support Rand Paul and right now he is 15 points ahead of Grayson — a man who still refuses to take positions on big issues.


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Great post Erick

bucfish Sunday, March 14th at 5:16PM EST (link)

I like near the end where they say “Though noting there are some political differences between father and son, Rand’s brother Robert said the two are similar in temperament and mentality — studious, intelligent and naturally calm, an attribute important because both are in the medical profession.”

Rand is both a realist and cool-headed. He understands the debt is too high as most any reasonable American knows.

 

This will be interesting

prachar Sunday, March 14th at 5:29PM EST (link)

to finally have at least one Senator who will seriously push for real reductions in spending, not just nibbling around the edges of the federal budget.

I agree

bucfish Sunday, March 14th at 5:44PM EST (link)

The budget needs cutting not to further grow!

 
 

Finally

ghostship Sunday, March 14th at 6:10PM EST (link)

I’m just happy to have the prospect of having a Republican running that actually believes in smaller government and fiscal responsibility.

It’s a nice change from most of the Republicans in office who at most just pay it some lip service during election time.

 

Interesting Article

jsanzone (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 6:29PM EST (link)

I think Rand will do well in Kentucky, and may even cruise ahead of his eventual Democratic opponent throughout the campaign season.

Otherwise, I don’t know if he would do so well on a national stage (say some day he decides to run for President). Though he’s so far made pretty heavy lines in the sand where he is different from his father, the ties (and loose allegations) will stick with him forever.

The question is, will Sen. Rand outshine Rep. Ron?

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I think Rand is much more viable than his daddy

bucfish Sunday, March 14th at 6:39PM EST (link)

Rand is more pragmatic

 
 

Why endorse Paul and not J.D. Hayworth?

redinsf (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 7:32PM EST (link)

It’s a simple question that I have not gotten an answer to yet.

NObama won because McCain wasn’t a conservative, he was democrat lite.
Hayworth > McCain
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houstoneagle (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 8:02PM EST (link)

So says Rush Limbaugh. Yet somehow being neutral in that primary is preferable to endorsing who would probably sacrifice pro-life principles on the altar of libertarian “states rights?”

*puzzled*

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Because regardless of what you think of Paul

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 9:30PM EST (link)

He is a tenable candidate who will not be a waste of resources (assuming you agree with him on policy). Hayworth, OTOH, is a loudmouth who’s burned his bridges in AZ, and has no chance of winning. Therefore, he is a waste of out-of-staters’ resources. I, personally, look forward to voting Hayworth/protest, and then Goldwater in the general, but I won’t waste valuable resources (money, time) on something that won’t ultimately lead anywhere, and which will waste resources which otherwise would have been used by tenable candidates.

Moreover, this is Erick’s personal endorsement, not Redstate’s (RS has not endorsed a candidate in KY’s Senate race, as there are divergent opinions on that front). RS recently did endorse Hayworth, but withdrew the endorsement because of some questionable statements made by Hayworth in support of the birther movement. I assume that if Paul makes statements in support of birthers and their cousins, truthers, he’ll be kicked to the curb, as well.

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I like your style Aeshtete, vote Goldwater!

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 9:54PM EST (link)

I think you are right on about Hayworth. He is kind of a jerk and he has no chance. He lost his Congressional seat and expects to be elected Senator?

It seems that Paul is saying the right things. I would love to have someone who really is for small government in the Senate. I still have concerns about his foreign policy and defense views. When he appears with his father, he does not push that difference much.

And BTW Rand, stop appearing with your father!

Molon Labe!

I don't have a problem with him being a jerk

aesthete (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 12:12AM EST (link)

Half the guys in Congress have arrogance down to an art form, and the other half are either nuts, or are otherwise good enough as candidates to get away with the cardinal sin (for pols, anyways) of being nice people. My problem is more with a) the fact that he wasn’t particularly effective in Congress, and that b) he burned his bridges in Maricopa, one of the most conservative districts in AZ.

I’m not really sure where I stand concerning Paul and Grayson: though I’m libertarian, I don’t see the Pauls as representative of my views, and have concerns when it comes to their associations. OTOH, Grayson has some questionable leftist associations of his own. I do, however, think that it is important that we make a decision based on facts and policy, and not on inaccurate information. Unfortunately, a race with a candidate as controversial as a Paul all but guarantees that we’ll have disinformation on all sides.

At any rate, whoever the candidate, he’ll be better than a Dem,, and in the case of Paul, at least we won’t see shenanigans like the online gambling bill.

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Goldwater won't vote for increasing government

civil truth (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 11:18PM EST (link)

…or sending us into greater deb, were he elected. :)

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There you have it

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 11:56PM EST (link)

I’m also reasonably certain that he would be agnostic on the issue of pay raises ;)

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Sorry to be Debbie Downer here...

Jesse Hathaway (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 7:38PM EST (link)

But Rand is quite like his father.

“I tell people in my speeches that the most important vote that any congressman or Senator ever has is on war and peace… and had I been in the Senate during the debate over Iraq or Afghanistan, I would have forced a vote on a declaration of war… had I been in the Senate I would have held things up.”

AntiWar Radio Interview May 17, 2009

Alex Jones: “You’re basically what I would call a chip off the old block. Your policies are basically identical to your father, correct?”

Rand Paul: “I’d say we’d be very very similar. We might present the message sometimes differently.. I think in some ways the message has to be broadened and made more appealing to the entire Republican electorate because you have to win a primary.”

Rand Paul on Alex Jones’s show, 5/21/09

Alan Keyes, re: Rand Paul:
“Ron Paul’s son is mounting a well funded effort to exploit the rising tide of voters who identify with the conservative name. But like his father, he rejects Ronald Reagan’s ‘Peace through strength’ acceptance of America’s leadership for freedom in the world. Like his father, he echoes Barack Obama’s illogical willingness to pretend that America is to blame for the hateful attacks directed against us by Middle East terrorists.”

Rand Paul is just Ron Paul at a bad sweater party.

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that is the issue that keeps me worried about Rand

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 9:58PM EST (link)

he says Congress should declare war in order to use the military. There is long precedent that the president can use the military in order to protect the nation without a war declaration.

Paul has yet to say he agrees with this precedent. So is Paul saying Nancy Pelosi has to have a vote every time we send a drone into a dangerous country? He needs to answer the question, no theory, YES or NO.

Molon Labe!

On his website

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 10:27PM EST (link)

He has a video where he says that he doesn’t have a problem with the President doing what he needs to do unilaterally in a high-pressure, short-term situation, but that he favors a formal declaration of war at some point. If I remember correctly, he doesn’t have a problem with Bush’s attacks on the Taliban in Afghanistan directly after 9/11, but would have favored a formal declaration of war when we ultimately invaded both Iraq and Afghanistan.

(I don’t agree with him on that point, as formal declarations of war haven’t been the convention for ~ 1/2 a century, but from a political standpoint, it would have been nice to have Dems on record as having voted for a formal declaration of war.)

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I hear what you are saying Aesthete

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 10:42PM EST (link)

and the Constitution is clear only Congress can declare war. But the question is Do we need to declare war to fight our enemies? What if the Congress is limp like the one we have now, do we not fight?

I will check for that video, I would like to see him clearly spell it out. When he was on with his dad in a few videos he just kept saying only Congress can declare war with no further detail.

Molon Labe!

 
 
 

I have similar problems with Paul

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 10:31PM EST (link)

He seems overly comfortable with Rothbardian nutters and Alex Jones-style conspiracy theorists. Mind you, I don’t think that he believes their agitprop, but he is, at the least, fine with milking them for all they’re worth.

That said, I don’t think that Alan Keyes is a particularly good reference vis a vis abortion or, really, most other subjects.

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And there off-----

Scope (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 9:08PM EST (link)

Here come all the Paul supporters. Both Rand and Ron, though we will hear about how much better/different son is from father. You can’t be that close on the tree from the parent fruit, get boxed up with that parent fruit (campaigning for the parent’s policies) and, claim that you fell from a different tree, or, maybe you rolled just a little farther away. Not at all when the skin has the same stripes, before election time, that is.

5, Scope.

mschmitt (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 9:21PM EST (link)

I understand that politics makes strange bed-fellows, and we should judge the merits of each person as an individual, and a strong libertarian (little L) streak is always great to have in a candidate; but supporting this guy is like begging for a rash — Herpes Ronulitis — and it isn’t pretty.

I’d almost rather talk about Zimbabwe.

usque ad finem

 
 

Finally....

maxwell105 Sunday, March 14th at 9:15PM EST (link)

We may just get a senator who stands by the republican platform……And one that’s not beholden to the special interests………..Good luck Rand!

 

shame

pabarge1 Sunday, March 14th at 9:18PM EST (link)

Oh, the horror. That you could support Rand Paul.

The man is a cipher for his father.

You have lost your way.

Judge him on his own actions, not his father's.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 8:29AM EST (link)

Frankly, I don’t know much about Rand Paul and am not interested enough in him to find out more at this point. I’ve got more pressing issues to deal with.

But really “a cipher for his father”? You need to be a little more specific.

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Question #1 about his own actions

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 8:44AM EST (link)

Did he endorse John McCain for President in the general election?

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I have no idea Neil.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 5:34PM EST (link)

Like I said, I know next to nothing about Rand Paul. I just don’t think he should be judged on his father’s actions, but on his own merits.

His father is a complete loon. And his father’s followers have mostly also gone over the line into lunacy (the Zionist conspiracy stuff has finally pushed me beyond my tolerance of idiots).

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It's funny, nobody seems to know

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 5:43PM EST (link)

This is the fourth or fifth time I’ve asked publicly, and not one of Rand Paul’s dedicated supporters have jumped up to defend his honor and say of COURSE he supported the Republican nomionee.

I have to conclude the apple doesn’t fall from the tree in this case.

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Great article, thanks Erick!

SirGladiator (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 11:06PM EST (link)

That is a very interesting, and informative article. Ive always liked Libertarians, as even when they’re wrong they tend to be wrong in the right direction, the side of less Government and more freedom. The only exception to that, sadly, is the issue of abortion, where they have tended to be pro-abortion, which while being less government, it is certainly not pro-freedom as it denies the very right to life itself, the most basic of freedoms. That is what I like best about Rand Paul, and without a doubt its the very best thing that he has in common with his father, they are moving Libertarianism to the right on the issue of abortion (obviously Rand moreso than his father) . Libertarians have always stood for what is right on economic issues, lower taxes, less spending, and more economic freedom, but if a Senator Rand Paul can help them find their way on abortion it’ll be a tremendous benefit for all of America. Certainly all the polling shows that America is becoming more Pro-Life, so this could be the beginning of a truly major political shift in our direction!

I didn't think of that

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, March 14th at 11:59PM EST (link)

Wouldn’t that be fantastic? I’m not really a Paulite, but it would be great if we could achieve a shift in Libertarian and libertarian attitudes wrt abortion.

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Pro-life

jsanzone (Diary) Monday, March 15th at 3:23AM EST (link)

I always perceived Ron as exceptionally (as in, surprisingly) pro-life. I remember back in Iowa or some other early state, he referred to Roe v. Wade as an ‘evil decision’ and has on numerous occasions detailed his experiences witnessing abortions while in medical training.

Policy-wise, there may be disagreement, but as you say, at worst a ‘libertarian’ can be wrong in the right direction.

I trust that neither of the Paul’s would ever opt to vote for anything that would make abortions easier or more acceptable.

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Like Father, Like Son

pabarge1 Monday, March 15th at 11:54AM EST (link)

“But really “a cipher for his father”? You need to be a little more specific.”

Start with my comment and read the other comments going up.

Need more? Here: http://www.google.com

Help yourself.

 

Paul is fooling you..

jpniner (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 4:50PM EST (link)

you should be smart enough to look at his past, and realize that politicians on a big stage will say anything to get elected. Read Lew Rockwell’s blog on this article, he clearly(like all Paultards) beleive Rand is saying anything and flip-flopping to, gasp….fool people like you so he can get ELECTED.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/2010-watch-gop-battle-kentucky

good job endorsing the “Angry Guy” with idiotic Foreign Policy and National Security views and who knows what else in his closet. if he can’t be beat in the GOP primary, a decent Dem candidate can cream him and you give the D’s a seat. All it takes is this stuff highlighted to run many voters permanently away.

as in supporting him the same way the paul’s support GOP politicians. As in not at all

What is funny jpniner, is that you are acting like a Paultard.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 4:56PM EST (link)

And you have been for a while now.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

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Ok you 2, your going to have to stop sometime

Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 5:19PM EST (link)

This article from Saturday’s Houston Chronicle from a columnist I’ve heard of, isn’t much of anything. A better in depth column on Rand Paul with some reliable sources. I think this more of a way to sell the Chronicle(although it was smaller on the front page than 2 other stories[New Standards in by the Texas State Board of Education and a Story on the problems at Key Middle School in the Houston Independent School District]). I wish all this trolling for articles on Rand Paul will stop for awhile.

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Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 5:22PM EST (link)

I defend Erick, if jpniner quits trying to insinuate that Erick is an idiot, or the Erick is some sort of sellout for supporting Rand, then I will quit pointing out how his actions reflect the actions of the people he is working against.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

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I don't he thinks that Erick's an idiot

Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 5:42PM EST (link)

it more he worried about him getting him a raw deal of having another Paul that sullies the brand. Rand Paul at times doesn’t sound bad, but we really don’t know if he’s truly any different than his dad. He really should have started out as a Part time legislator first, then run. Otherwise, he going on the Debra Medina tack.

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the point is...

jpniner (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 5:50PM EST (link)

…to point to an article where Rand has been, during the campaign only, claiming to be something different than who he was in 2007/2008(see quotes above for example), and say: “see, he’s not crazy” is to completely miss the point and far too forgiving. Politicians will say and take positions contrary to their true intent to get elected.

Given who he is, his background with lew Rockwell and the Anarcho-Capitalist and his past positions and campainging. Its a big stretch to suggest all that should be ignored, just because Rand flip-flopped on Gitmo and instead of using mostly Far-Left talking points(read lies) on Iraq by his father. he is using a “there must be a Declaration of War”(ignoring the 2001 AUMF his father voted for) and is constitutional until overturned by SCOTUS(the 1973 War Powers Act) and of course the fact the Founders never meant formal declarations to be used against Outlaw, uncivilized regimes.(See Jefferson).

By The Way, his sister and mother were paid Employees of the Crackpot/Racist “Ron Paul Newsletters” the media is not interested in(yet)…what about Rand? Did the family, those getting paid from the profits of these, “unaware of the contents as well”?????

 
 
 

I don't see that, Aaron

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 5:36PM EST (link)

jpniner if anything is fixated on opposing the Austrotards.

And I have no problem with that.

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Rand Paul - Lew Rockwell Interview

jpniner (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 5:36PM EST (link)

from last yr, fast fwd to around 6min mark for part about drastically cutting Military like his father wants to do. and dismantle the “Empire”

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-show/page/2/

and repeats the lie that the Military “cost” over $1 Trillion a year. also all the anti-Fed Reserve talking points, and praising Andrew Jackson’s talking points on the debt. The only president to ever completely payoff the Debt…..which lead to awful Unintended consequences he fails to mention.

Single-Entry Accounting, one of the major flaws in their thinking..

Don’t miss the “Haliburton” Contract and their “Lobby” re the “Military Industrial Complex”(not specifically mentioned).

 

Comment at LibertarianRepublican

jpniner (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 6:01PM EST (link)

This comment, from a thread on this article by a Paultard:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7828681836623105417&postID=1517354371681185061

“Stefan:

Rand is a principled non-interventionist like his father. He is simply framing his message a bit differently as he knows how his father’s message has been misunderstood and the influence on the media. If he were a left-wing Wilsonian interventionist, he would have stated that he would have voted for the Iraq war, that was clearly unconstitutional.

It is nutters like the neocon. Weekly Standard and Mr. K here, along with Obama that are a treat to the US economy, and by implication also to US National Defense!

–This comment isn’t an isolated one, but a widespread view. So, either the Paul’s have the paultards fooled, or they have people like Erick fooled. Given his background and the past history here, I’m extremely skeptical to put it mildly.

 

Comment at LibertarianRepublican

jpniner (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 6:01PM EST (link)

This comment, from a thread on this article by a Paultard:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7828681836623105417&postID=1517354371681185061

“Stefan:

Rand is a principled non-interventionist like his father. He is simply framing his message a bit differently as he knows how his father’s message has been misunderstood and the influence on the media. If he were a left-wing Wilsonian interventionist, he would have stated that he would have voted for the Iraq war, that was clearly unconstitutional.

It is nutters like the neocon. Weekly Standard and Mr. K here, along with Obama that are a treat to the US economy, and by implication also to US National Defense!

–This comment isn’t an isolated one, but a widespread view. So, either the Paul’s have the paultards fooled, or they have people like Erick fooled. Given his background and the past history here, I’m extremely skeptical to put it mildly.

Exactly

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 6:17PM EST (link)

Almost any Republican would be better than Rand Paul.

I’d take Bill Bennett over Rand Paul. Or Tom Campbell.

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ATTN: jpniner

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, March 16th at 6:43PM EST (link)

I have a suggestion.

Why don’t you write a diary on a candidate you do support for the Kentucky Senate race?

It’s not enough just to oppose somebody. You have to have somebody that people can support as an alternative.

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