It seems like they’ve stuck their necks out pretty far at this point to screw us now…

So far the answer is no – http://www.lifenews.com/nat6070.html

I can’t for the life of me figure out how someone staunchly pro-life can be a Democrat in the first place. The Democrat Party is the friend of NOW, Planned Parenthood, and every other pro-abortion organization. I hope he has a pro-life conscience, and stands by it, but he is a Democrat after all. We will see how pro-life he and the other 11 really are, won’t we.

But to many observers’ surprise, the amendment passed easily.

So why should we expect him to hold off voting for the Senate bill because of its current abortion language. He got his vote and can blame the Senate for blocking the funding ban. (Which is probably what many of the Democrats who supported the amendment expected.)

Perhaps he’s bargaining for promises on other provisions in the reconciliation bill and using abortion as a diversionary cover. We shall see.

But I have lost all confidence that the Senate bill will be stopped. Nobody at this point is challenging the provisions that federalize health care and the incredible destruction that will wreak on our health care system – just drama over a couple of hot button issues.

Over.

And I don’t think he will. In the end, the Dems know that if they do pass this thing and it becomes law, the GOP will keep winning elections until we get the power to overturn it, which means we will win in 2010 and again in 2012, Obama knows that he’s signing over Congress and his own Presidency if he signs this bill, and that it will never even go into effect (we’ll get rid of it in 2013, ahead of the 2014 starting date). So I don’t think this is going to pass, and while I hope that Stupak is the man of principle that he seems to be, the fact is he’s also saving his career, and possibly the careers of some of his friends, with this move, so he’s not likely to switch.

ObamaCare, I will send flowers to his office.

Seriously, if the Dems reject him, maybe he can switch parties.

trust a Democrat.

If Stupak sticks to his guns, I will give him a personal apology. But every time an issue comes like this, they pay off the person and go ahead with the bill.

If Stupak successfully stands up against the DNC machine and the media, and kills Obamacare, I will have profound respect for the man.

I’ve thought all along that the controversy was about whether the original Senate health care bill would pass in the House. Why would anybody think, if that bill passes, that changes made by some “reconciliation” bill would make it all better and acceptable to us, the public?

“The woman has never not used her uterus as a political issue despite it revolting pretty much every man in America.”

and the process is dead and his house seat is secure.
Think about this, he has made mortal enemies with the far left of his party , these guys take no prisoners so right now he is courting moderate dems reps and indie voters and the only way to do that is to hold firm. else he would have folded a long time ago

I don’t see how it is not related to the budget, given that it deals with FUNDING of abortion. They even have a minimum $1 a month “abortion surcharge” on premiums.

At the very least, I would bet anything else in there has much less to do with the budget. They would find a way to do it if they wanted to, just as they will any other “fix.” But they don’t want to. Besides, Diana DeGette and her 40-strong Pro-Abortion Caucus would kill the bill.

Is anyone naive enough to expect they would adhere to reconciliation rules?

Of course he will. He’s a Democrat. Controlling every moment of life is their only reason for being and if he needs to be complicit in murdering a few more million unborn children he really won’t care.

There is, I hope, a special place in Hell for these people (right next to John Murtha and Teddy).

To understand Stupak, you have to understand his district, which is northern part of Michigan including all of the Upper Penninsula. It is the largest district geographically speaking in Michigan. If you understand the UP, you understand Stupak.

The UP is populated a certain breed of Reagan democrat–they are not conservatives in terms of economics or free trade, but they don’t like taxes either. They are very traditional, and they vote for the Republican in Presidential elections.

Stupak has been consistent on his HCR position, and I don’t think he can be bought or tricked (he knows that a promise to reinsert the Stupak language later is illustory).

Stupak is a patriotic American who believes in American exceptionalism but wants a public option for healthcare. An odd bird, but he is one of the better Michigan exports over the last 12 months.

I wouldn’t classify Stupak as a blue dog, and he is to the left of his district. He is not however someone who is going to be influenced by outside pressure. There is nothing that Obama or Pelosi can give him that he would want.

will tell us how much like Lieberman he is. Remember Lieberman had a lot of tough talk about the public option. Yet he voted to continue debate when everyone knows that is tantamount to voting for the bill. He could have killed it then and there.

Stupak is in a similar position. If passed, the bill will never go to reconciliation, abortion will never be addressed and Stupak and everyone knows it. If he votes yes, he has no credibility as pro-lifer.

On a side note, I really do not think the word reconciliation will ever again be uttered if this passes. Dems will then say, ‘what controversy? we never used reconciliation or the “50 plus 1″ strategy. Unicorns, fairies, purple monkey dishwasher.’

It may come down to this: will the GOP now guarantee to Rep. Stupak that the GOP will oppose and filibuster a separate bill to restore the House’s Hyde-like restrictions after the main health care bill is enacted? That’s a pretty tough question, and I hope it doesn’t come down to that.

“The law of the land is there is no public funding of abortion and there is no public funding of abortion in these bills.” – Nancy Pelolsi

http://www.lifenews.com/nat6064.html

then we all deserve what we get. You know as well as I do that Stupak is a stupid progressive liberal hack. He is committed to the single payer, universal, socialization of the American Healthcare system. In the end, the abortion language will not mean a hill of beans. He has drunk the “kool aid” along with the rest of them and a great many RINOs up there. It is all lip service to give him cover when it is all said and done. You, I and all who visit RedState know that and just want to believe otherwise. Let us grow up, face reality and then try to reasonably and rationally deal with it.

I’ve read thru everyone’s comments, and perhaps I missed this but…..

IF the House passes an exact version of the Senate bill (under the promise of some sort of reconciliation), what is stopping Congressional leaders in both houses from doing a total 180, renege on reconciliation and send the bill right to the President for signature. The same language will have passed both houses and as I understand it, that is all that is needed to get a bill the the President for signature.

I feel the focus on Reconciliation in the media and on blogs is missing this alarming and likely possibility.

Of course I could be wrong on this, and if I am I would appreciate someone in the RS community pointing out the flaw(s) in my argument.

If they had the votes, they would have had the roll call and passed the Senate bill today. When they schedule a vote, you know they’ve got 216.

Relying Democrat to keep his word is at best risky and more than likely fatal. Relying on any politician to keep his word is dicey, Democrats more so.

Remember, if Mr. Stupak were the moral avatar he presents himself to be, he would have not voted for funding of Planned Parenthood, our nation’s leading abortion provider. He did. Hypocrite.

No, come March 18th, we will have a government takeover of the healthcare system, whether citizens, soon to subjects, want it or not. Barak H. Obama will be forever labeled to President who got done what no Democratic president ever did and for while he will be trumpeted as a hero.

What happens after that, I don’t know.

Follow this scenario: The Dems will tell Stupak that if the House passes the current Senate bill, he can count on the GOP supporting an amendment to restrict funding abortion. He will recognize that they will. His only concern is that the Dems won’t support it. Or Obama may not sign it. I believe that the only thing holding Stupak back is his distrust of the Pro-Choice Dems.

Reconcilation is a smoke screen. It is all about trusting other Dems.

For Blue Dogs, the same logic applies to the cost. Once passed, the GOP will support amendments to reduce the costs.

Here’s what I think the GOP should say right now: “We promise that if the Democrats ram through this huge monstrosity of a Senate Bill, then we would subsequently support repeal of the whole thing, but we would abstain from any vote to make partial fixes, at least during this Congress.”

Stupak will cave and vote the loony-left leaders way. His protests over abortion are simply show for his constituents with no more foundation than Mary “Louisiana Purchase” Landrieu’s “indecision”, or Ben “Cornhusker Kickback” Nelson’s “indecision”, or Mel “Gatorade” Martinez’s “indecision”. These ethically-challenged d-crat socialists share more than an extremist ideology.

It is one thing to say you are Pro-Life. It is another for two dads to actually try to do something to protect life. Tim Burns, a strong Pro-Life candidate, is running for US Congress in PA in a special election on May 18th. Click to see how you can help us: http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/note.php?note_id=337143868310&id=758897291&ref=mf

Why?

Because government health care is not about health care, it’s about government. Once you look at it that way, what the Dems are doing makes perfect sense. For them.

Mark Steyn: Obamacare worth the price to Democrats

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/health-237719-care-government.html

“Health care is a loser for the Left only if the Right has the steel to undo it. The Left is banking on an absence of steel. Why is that a bad bet?”

Indeed. Look at it from the Dems’ point of view. You pass Obamacare. You lose the 2010 election, which gives the GOP co-ownership of an awkward couple of years. And you come back in 2012 to find your health care apparatus is still in place, a fetid behemoth of toxic pustules oozing all over the basement, and, simply through the natural processes of government, already bigger and more expensive and more bureaucratic than it was when you passed it two years earlier. That’s a huge prize, and well worth a midterm timeout.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2010/03/counting_the_heads_of_house_de.html

…this will likely pass. Let the historians figure out how.

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2010/03/07/in-illinois-soylent-green-is-right-around-the-corner-forced-body-part-donations/

StoptheACLU ran across this problem and made of point of reporting it. A republican (Yes Hotair, another example of progressive Republicans that Beck can cite.) put forth a bill that will force all people into a mandatory body part donor situation, UNLESS they decide to opt out by notifying the government. So, if you die, you get chop up and sold off.

I comment on the horror of this at my site. The problems with this even coming to light are almost too many to mention. Not the least being that someone on EITHER side of the aisle thought this was a good idea and in any way constitutional. Then there is the visitor to Illinois that gets hurt or killed. Is location or citizenship the key?

Like I said, about the time HOTAIR attempts to defend the Republican establishment one more time from Beck’s theory that progressive ideals infect both sides, they get smacked again by another example of just that.