The Leader


Image descriptionMany, many reporters have asked me who the leader of the conservative movement is right now or who the leader of the tea party movement is.

They rarely report the answer, though they should be paying attention to it. In the CPAC straw poll, one name dominated the pack. With the highest favorable ratings (73%) and lowest unfavorable ratings (8%), Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina led the field — scoring higher popularity than Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Mike Pence, John Beohner, Mitch McConnell, or Michael Steel.

It’d be easy to dismiss the polling except that, unlike the Ron Paul vote for winner, DeMint’s popular scores across the field from young to old, conservative to libertarian oriented.

Why is that?

Largely, I think it is because Jim DeMint is actually doing what other Republicans talk about — staying true to conservative values and recruiting conservatives. From Chuck DeVore to Michael Williams to Pat Toomey to Marco Rubio, Jim DeMint is picking, funding, and supporting conservatives across the nation in stark contrast to other Republican leaders.

DeMint is not afraid to involve himself in a primary. And in Congress he is not afraid to pick tough fights and challenge his own party to do what is right. DeMint does not just talk the talk, but he unapologetically walks the walk.

Few people leave Washington having really changed America. Jim DeMint will one day be able to proudly say he did not just change his party, but his country too.


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DeMint

Lycurgus Sunday, February 21st at 3:53PM EST (link)

is one of few few political leaders with any semblance of credibility. The man has tasted power and yet has preserved and even expanded his advocation of our constitution, our free society, our free market, and our national defense. He’s been tested, and unlike Belshazzar, was not found wanting.

If to please the people we offer what we ourselves disapprove, how then shall we stand? Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God. ~George Washington

DeMint for NRSC Chair

kuksool (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:08PM EST (link)

For the 2012 election cycle, I’d like to see DeMint as NRSC Chair. He’ll be able to recruit solid conservatives to challenge Casey, Webb, Brown, Tester, Stabenow, and McCaskill.

I second this.

jeffreywturner (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 5:57PM EST (link)

However, it needs to go with a caveat.

Currently, the NRSC has the mission of getting Republicans elected to the Senate.

It would need to be made clear that with someone like DeMint in charge, the mission is to get CONSERVATIVE Republicans elected to the Senate, or at least the MOST conservative Republicans from among the viable contenders. In other words no throwing in with someone like Charlie Christ unless it is in a state where there is no real possibility of electing a true conservative.

“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”

 
 
 

Great post Erick. Was Mitch Daniels on the list

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 3:55PM EST (link)

and how did he come out if he was?

If he wasn’t on the list, why not? Thanks.

He was not

Erick Erickson (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:03PM EST (link)

he was only on the Presidential choice list.

Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?

Thanks Erick.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:08PM EST (link)

And, because I’ll forget if I don’t mention it now, you and the crew did an absolutely first rate job at CPAC.

Is there any plan to assemble the output – diaries, stories and video and pics into a “This is CPAC 2010″ package?

 
 
 

5's

fpete13527 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 3:57PM EST (link)

Tha fact that practically NO ONE in GOP leadership points to Sen DeMint as among the TRUE leaders right now…is a disgrace!.

Also, while filling out my straw poll at CPAC, I listened to twenty or so who were surrounding the table filling out their poll…..
THE ENTIRE GROUP STATED THAT THE NUMBER ONE LEADER RIGHT NOW, THAT THEY WISH WAS ON THE LIST….. IS SEN JIM DEMINT………UNANIMOUSLY!

 

The disaffected Conservative voters are the leader

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 3:57PM EST (link)

Not actually having a top-down ordained leader is a plus in my opinion.

Those that rise to the top will, as Erick says, be “doing what other Republicans talk about — staying true to conservative values and recruiting conservatives.”

I, and many like me, are not looking for the figurehead, but for someone that “will one day be able to proudly say he did not just change his party, but his country too.”

Go Jim DeMint!

The TEA parties are true grass-roots

Flagstaff (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:46PM EST (link)

phenomena. I agree with 6eorge that there is no “leader” there. The job is open, and if DeMint wants to take it, more power to him. Much of the TEA party consists of middle-of-the-road Independents, and that is to say conservative-leaning voters who have chosen to not acknowledge either major party’s leader as their leader. No one is speaking for them, right now.

So far, leaderless has been the best policy. The people who are facilitating the meetings are doing great, but it will only last as long as the “members” continue to believe that their protests are making a difference, and protests are exactly what the TEA parties are about. That is where leadership will come to bear. Somebody will grab the Republican party by the scruff of the neck and drag it back towards conservatism (by example), and that somebody will become the leader.

It hasn’t happened yet, but the time will come when one of these party people pulls his or her ideas together, get his priorities straight, develops a theme that will resonate with America, and TAKES IT TO THE PEOPLE. When that happens, nobody will have to ask, “Who is the Republican/Conservative leader?” It will be obvious.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 

Leadership

GenEarly Monday, February 22nd at 12:03PM EST (link)

Jim DeMint is a leader out in front, not waiting to test the wind, supporting conservative candidates of character, like Marco Rubio. Any bets on Charlie Crist running as an independent in the general election after he loses the primary? Just love that Rino Senate Leadership that keeps shooting themselves in the foot.

 
 

I wish I could vote for DeMint.

Viet71 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:32PM EST (link)

Here in Connecticut, just about all elected officials (U.S. House and Senate) just plain suck.

I’m stuck with Chris Murphy (D-CT 05), who has shown himself to be a complete sellout.

If Nancy Pelosi tells him to do X, he’ll do X.

My good lib mindless neighbors think he’sgreat.

These folks are proof that you can have a bunch of degrees and be really stuid. As if such proof is needed.

There's no reason you can't vote for DeMint Viet71...

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:40PM EST (link)

Just join ACORN.

Thanks, but

Viet71 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:50PM EST (link)

no thanks, mbecker908.

 
 
 

DeMint 2012

senator7 Sunday, February 21st at 4:47PM EST (link)

I’ve wondered for months why Sen. DeMint isn’t considered a contender for the R nomination in 2012. Can you imagine a DeMint/Bachmann WH, with Ryan for Treasury Sec’y, Petraeus at Defense, Coburn at HHS and Huntsman at State?

I'm not sure about that.

Lycurgus Monday, February 22nd at 10:50PM EST (link)

I tend to think that DeMint should stay in the Senate, build his power base, expand throughout the country to bring more constitutional conservatives into the Senate, and restore the Senate to what it is supposed to be, a deliberative body that protects the constitution and the country. I think we need a man with his principles in the white house, but DeMint is wonderful in the Senate.

If to please the people we offer what we ourselves disapprove, how then shall we stand? Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God. ~George Washington

 
 

DeMint is great

redtillimdead (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:49PM EST (link)

My only problem with him is that he has stated he is willing to support 3rd parties over Republican nominees chosen in a primary.

Nancy Pelosi can kiss my asstroturf.

 

Outstanding

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:53PM EST (link)

Jim DeMint has been my “conservative leader” (sharing it with Rush, frankly) for quite some time, but I think it could not be truly said until this year, when the parade finally started marching behind him, that he was the conservative movement’s leader.

It’s about time.

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A leader has not yet emerged. but a spokesman has.

kyle8 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:55PM EST (link)

After Beck’s speech, He has moved way up the ladder as a movement spokesman.

I haven’t heard anything that good since Reagan.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 

Then Lead, Dammit

racebannon (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:57PM EST (link)

Because aside from opposing the left, there has been very little of this. Remember, the mainstream media is openly sympathetic to President Obama and the Democrats. Also remember that most of the center-right middle gets most of their general info from the MSM – that includes what is NOT covered. It’s time to get some leadership beyond ‘No’ before President Obama and pals regain their footing and re-take the initiative on clear messaging.

No had gotten us this far – but to move any further forward we need a plan, a message and strong leadership. Period. And I am not seeing it from any of the usual suspects, so far.

 

Is there a perfect or Number One

Viet71 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 4:59PM EST (link)

candidate for President here at RS?

I’m a newcomer.

Decidedly not.

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 5:11PM EST (link)

We (most of us) have our favorite spokesmen for the conservative movement, notably those who work publicly to put forward the best candidates and the best solutions and never lose sight of our core principles. The movement is important. The mid-terms are important. 2012 is a loooooooong way off.

It makes me happy to know that there are multiple talented conservatives working on various fronts to educate, broadcast, endorse others and promote liberty.

Something tells me the leader will emerge as the person most identified with the defeat of the collectivists. Maybe a congressperson who stands above others in killing off the garbage legislation. Could be someone outside Washington like McDonnell. I would be dismayed and very surprised if it is a caveman like McCain again.


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This person needs to be a person

Viet71 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 5:15PM EST (link)

of principle.

To attract Republicans, Democrats, and Independents.

And I've said previously, the next election

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 5:32PM EST (link)

will be a character election. The lies told by the left will not be forgotten. Lies about whether one did or did not…with that woman, Ms Lewinsky, are not the same as lies that you can keep your health insurance and unemployment will stay below 8%.

It will be it’s the character, stupid, especially in the primary. Nobody weak on the economy will have the slightest chance. Out of several good candidates, one will be the most trustworthy and he or she will be nominated. I’m looking for a George Washington, and will not get one, of course. George could be trusted not to sue for peace when he was in a hazardous dance with disaster. Who I will not accept are Newt and his ilk.


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Will you run for President?

Viet71 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 6:43PM EST (link)

Please.

Flatterer. Are you gunning for NSA?

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 6:59PM EST (link)

Seriously, I actually do have a problem with Clinton’s character. Not to mislead, I should have said, Clinton’s lies about adultery were not a problem to many people. I could not stand the guy from the first minute.


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Franz and I want the Department of Education.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 7:10PM EST (link)

But only for a month. After they clear the bodies out of the hallway we’d like the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Two months there.

Then we’ll talk.

::laughing:: I've got some treats for Franz

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 7:36PM EST (link)

Fannie and Freddie.


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Ohhhh yummie. I like you. nt

Franz Prince of Dogness (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 7:49PM EST (link)

Franz’ 11th Commandment: If anybody messes with you, kill them and eat them invite them to a State Dinner at the White House.

Well, FPOD, I hope you are very very hungry

redneck_hippie (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 7:58PM EST (link)

because we can’t count on the stupid Green Party to have a full slate of candidates in every state by November.


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I like your style of governing.

1volunteer Monday, February 22nd at 9:33AM EST (link)

You would be a much better Terminator than Ahnold.

 

oooooo

neomom Monday, February 22nd at 9:56AM EST (link)

Can me and my husband get Agriculture, Interior and the EPA?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Appeal

jsanzone (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 5:20PM EST (link)

Other Senators should really take note. Through real action and substantive, real rhetoric, Jim DeMint manages to appeal to a large range of movement conservatives–from the center-right, to the religious right, to the Paul wing, and the Reagan Repubs. In fact, I think Sarah Palin is trying to take much the same route, though it’s debatable how much her support for McCain will ultimately translate.

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If you're going with your gut, EE,

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 5:27PM EST (link)

So am I.

Same guy. DeMint. Can do and can think beats can talk, can pose, can look every time.

He’s my man…for what I’m not sure…but I want to see DeMint out front more. Let him pick the team.

I think you’ll (we’ll) agree.

 

Led by the Constitution

Beaglescout (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 5:30PM EST (link)

If you had asked me, I would have said that the up and coming leaders, after a long spell in the political wasteland, were the Declaration and Constitution.

“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

–Alexander Hamilton
 

Amen re the Decl. and the Constitution. But -- please! -- let's act, too.

ColdWarrior (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 6:03PM EST (link)

“We hold these truths to be self-evident . . . .”

“We the People . . . .”

Art. I, Sec. 8

Ninth Amendment.

Tenth Amendment.

I wrote about this back in October, 2009 here:

http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2009/10/14/enforce-the-constitution-and-demand-your-rights-or-not/

It is refreshing to see people like Beck and others, who have national audiences, actually talking about conforming our federal elected servants to the strictures of the supreme law of the land that was intended to bind them down. But to do that, we have to know what the Declaration and Constitution say. And we do that by simply reading and studying them.

Jim DeMint’s book, “Saving Freedom: We Can Stop America’s Slide Into Socialism,” tellingly has the full text of the Constitution set forth in the back. Bravo! But I have criticized it otherwise because in his last chapter, “Citizenship 101: How You Can Make a Difference,” he’s way to general. His Step 1 is to “Get Involved” and his Step 2 is to “Get Involved.” How? “Start Writing” “Write a Letter to the Editor” “Write an Opinion Editorial (OP/ED)” “Create a Blog” “Communicate with Elected Officials” “Support Political Candidates” and “Be a Candidate.” But, for most, who haven’t a clue about how to “do something” in politics to change the outcome of elections, it seems to me he should have told the readers the BEST way they could get involved (don’t you think we have enough blogs? And the congresscritters, especially post-modern Debtocrats, could care less about letters they receive) is to become a voting member of the Republican Party — a precinct committeeman. Sure, of course, run for city council or school board, but also get involved in the Republican Party as a voting member of it so you can change the leadership — and help get conservatives winning the all-important, traditionally-very-low-turnout primary elections.

All of these kinds of books, long on stating the problems but short on providing real solutions, I find to be coming from the Conservative Grievance Industry. (“CGI”) Beck’s, Levin’s, Ingraham’s, Malkin’s, and even DeMint’s books all fall into this category. We all know that things are bad, but how to fix them? Replace the current crop of elected servants with Constitution-respecting conservatives. How? By getting conservatives winning the Republican primaries. How? By getting involved as a voting member of the Republican Party at the grass roots level so you can join with other conservatives to get out the vote in the all-important primary elections.

Simply telling people to “get involved in the political process” is too vague. Some thing going to a Tea Party is “getting involved in the political process.” Some think sending $100 to the RNC to get a plastic card that says “Sustaining Member” and their name embossed on it is “getting involved in the political process.” With the Republican Party at half strength in the precinct committeeman ranks, we need to get conservatives to INVADE THE PARTY and fill up those unfilled positions so we can actually create a conservative revolution within the Party instead of just shouting and writing about it.

I’ve yet to find this explained in any of the CGI books.

A pity.

So I’ll just keep harping on it.

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Viet71 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 6:47PM EST (link)

so right on.

 

Bravo! Keep harping on it because

mriggio (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 6:47PM EST (link)

truer words were never spoken.

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Did the CPAC attendees vote from a bar?

traversecityconservative (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 7:17PM EST (link)

Ron Paul winning the straw poll makes us conservatives look like a bunch of kooks. How in the world…why in the world would they vote this way? I think we all agree that he has good ideas on the Federal Reserve but I wouldn’t trust him as the mayor of my city, let alone president.

 

Jim DeMint gets my vote.

kateusa Sunday, February 21st at 8:36PM EST (link)

So few in Congress, including the Republican leadership, are willing to stand up for constitutional government. You’d think that with the trouble this country is in, we’d have more than a handful of principled, strong, and fearless leaders – true patriots – who are willing to speak out and speak the truth. DeMint is one of these.

 

Gary Johnson 2012

cej Sunday, February 21st at 8:41PM EST (link)

Paul may not run, and I expect this guy to pick up the torch of the libertarian movement. He is going to be all over the media for the next year – RedState had better get ready to embrace some libertarians in the Republican party… Give me Johnson over tired old hacks like DeMint and Romney any day.

As long as he's sane, I don't mind him (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 8:53PM EST (link)

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cej, what makes you call DeMint a "tired old hack?"

penguin2 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 9:41PM EST (link)

I am becoming familiar with libertarians, and if they want to be part of the Republican party. But your statement indicates you don’t have any use for Republicans…..Big tent or not, I don’t think we are interested in libertarians taking over the Republican Party.

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Kowalski, left out, " fine for them to join."

penguin2 (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 9:44PM EST (link)

Meaning libertarians join the GOP.

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The message of people like Paul and Johnson

cej Sunday, February 21st at 11:24PM EST (link)

is one of principled philosophy. They take a philosophy (voluntarism as a necessary condition for the highest good) and iterate it over all political issues. Sure, there are gray areas in certain places, but when you hear a libertarian speak you get the impression that they are far more principled/correct about their beliefs than a culture warrior like DeMint or a slick guy like Romney. These trait, one of not actually having a core philosophy, makes the current crop of GOP candidates seem, to me, like old hacks.

I feel like the only way for Obama to lose next cycle (and boy am I ever rooting for him to lose – this term is turning into a fiscal disaster) is for the GOP to hit back with a perhaps unconvential strategy and go with someone like Johnson, who, in my opinion, has a much much greater chance of winning the primary than you guys here at redstate think.

Paul is a self-interested weasel

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 11:27PM EST (link)

I don’t know Johnson.

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cej, as I have heard you libertarians speak here....

penguin2 (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 9:07AM EST (link)

I have a hard time seeing the “principled philosophy.” A lot of “me, myself and I” stuff, but not much else. Nice to hear you are rooting for Obama to lose, “this term is turning into a fiscal disaster.” So, if it wasn’t a fiscal disaster, you would think he was okay? Would you have kept it from being a fiscal disaster by gutting the military? Considering that the deficit was in the billions when Pres. Bush turned it over to Obama and the Leftists, and it is now in the trillions, with more to come with their Socialism, I don’t think you are going to see a balanced budget or fiscal responsibility. Oh, not unless you raise taxes, which apparently you will not mind paying under the Socialist regime.

But more importantly, cei, your denigrating of cultural issues in political debate is troublesome. Culture helps societies’ survive and thrive, leaving it out does not speak to a “principled philosophy.” This site is to advance Republican/Conservative causes; I understand why you do not appear to support that, but you lumping all of these names together shows you have little, if any interest in supporting issues that are important to us. We may have complaints and frustration with the GOP, but it is our party, and we want principled conservatism at the core of it; we are working to achieve that.

You are “rooting” for Obama to lose. Have you done anything actively to help make that happen? Which party are you supporting to achieve that goal? I am talking about the broader picture regarding what our country is facing, not an individual race here and there.

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penguin- I don't know if you would agree

Scope (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 10:33AM EST (link)

but, the Libertarians (particularly the Ron Paul Libertarians), seem to have been working very hard on destroying christian and traditional moral values. Those of us that escaped the 60′s and 70′s remake of good vs bad, and didn’t buy into the “if it feels good do it” mantra, are a world away from the apparent Libertarian adoption of moral relativism. When you try to talk with a Libertarian about social issues, they use language that they believe is intellectual and to give the appearance that they are deep thinkers, but, it requires the same destruction of christian values as the Progressives engage in. I know they promote maximum freedom for every individual, almost to the point of anarchist levels. While many say that the rule of law should be abided by, they seem to have determined any laws as to social issues are unconstitutional. If they are unconstitutional at the federal level, they are unconstitutional at every level. Traditional morals teach us that abortion is wrong. The constitution protects life from conception to natural death. It doesn’t matter if the federal government determines it to be acceptable, or if the states determine it to be acceptable. It doesn’t make it less wrong. If our society was a highly traditional moral society, no laws would be necessary, however, that utopian society will never exist, as God has given everyone the choice of good and evil. There will always be murderers, thives, rapists and the like. The Libertarians are closer to the Progressives, with the need to destroy or redefine traditional morals, although their ultimate goals differ. The Progressives want everyone to live in slavery to the government. My point is that both goals are radical.

As to foreign policy/national security, there is very little difference in the Progressive approach, and, the Libertarian approach. As someone else said here, the Paul Libertarians would actually make us less secure than even the Obama progressive approach. Both approaches are more than a little misguided, they are down right dangerous.

On Economic issues, read some of Brian Hibberts arguments against Paul’s desire to get back on the gold standard. Also, the Libertarians seem to believe that if they are elected, the IRS, the FED, the IMF and every other federal government agency will magically dissapear overnight. They don’t suggest reform, and putting the power of these agencies back into the hands of the Congress. They promise their total demise.

In all, I see the Libertarians actually being closer to the Progressives than I see them belonging in the Republican party. They have tried to take over the Republican party, and to turn it into their ideal image. The Libertarian party has never taken off in any big way, and, there is a reason for that.

Scope, agree on all your points. You explained the....

penguin2 (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 11:20AM EST (link)

libertarian bent very well. I have caught glimpses of this as I have been reading and coming into contact with the libertarians. That is also why cej’s denigrating of a cultural focus in the political spectrum jumped out at me. For God’s sake, I want “cultural warriors!” And I certainly do not say that in the context of taking the Lord’s name in vain, but for people to understand, I am tired of the idea that you can have a society without morality, or that moral relativism works just as well. This country was laid out and founded on Judaic-Christian principles, in fact one of them said without basing it on such a foundation, the Republic would not work, and this fledgling country would fail.

Your comment also allows me to throw in what I did not say regarding that libertarian “principled philosophy” – the word hedonism comes to mind, when I read and hear the libertarian stuff.

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See, what you are advocating

cej Monday, February 22nd at 3:52PM EST (link)

is really a totalitarian ideology (if, as I surmise, you hold the current R position on culture war issues). If you are actually about freedom, then you can never object to voluntary agreements between parties that do not impose harm on other parties.

Don’t like gay sex? Don’t do it then, it’s your life. Don’t tell me where I can and can’t put my penis as long as all the circumstances are voluntary. Don’t like consuming certain types of chemicals? Don’t consume them. If I have come to a different conclusion about those chemicals, then that is up to me. It’s my life, my body. You aren’t the interested party.

The issue of abortion is trickier. And, obviously, the answer is not… obvious. You should take a more skeptical and open approach to these sorts of questions. Instead of playing team sports. The deal with abortion is that we have two agents whose lives depend on, to some degree, the lives of the other. A fertilized egg is only incrementally different after conception than before. And that’s the problem. There is no clear difference between “human” and “not human” at any point in gestation. I think a reasonable compromise on the issue is to approximate things like viability and the fetus’ ability to experience the suffering of its own demise, and use that to set a time limit after which no abortions will be legal except under very specific circumstances, subject to independent medical review.

Largely, though culture war issues are irrelevant. Would you trade your pet culture issues for a fiscally solvent America? I would If I held your positions. I believe that this is the exact choice that Republicans are faced with in 2012. If they are going to trot out the same old same old about abortion and gays and nanny government, Obama is going to win huge.

As to the libertarian position on national defense, once again it is actually libertarians who offer a coherent perspective. We believe that most defense spending is pork. We DO NOT believe that the United States should not be involved with world affairs, and I venture that a libertarian president would be quite pragmatic with an underlying skepticism for foreign intervention. If a Democrat starts a war, Democrats will invariably favor the prosecution of that war. If a Republican starts a war, Republicans will invariably favor the prosecution of that war. It is a form of team sports at its basest. Where were the Republicans in 2003 who lambasted Clinton for Somalia and Kosovo? Team sports. Why is Obama still in Iraq and doubling down in Afghanistan when members of his party were tearing into George W not 2 years ago?

Stop playing team sports. Develop a coherent philosophy about governance. I think you will find that you begin adopting many libertarian positions.

cej, you left out an important source of beliefs.....

penguin2 (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 5:33PM EST (link)

religion. For many of us, our Judaic-Christian beliefs are the same upon which the Founding Fathers built the foundation of this country. The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution both speak to many tenets based in a spiritual foundation.

1) I do not believe I advocate a totalitarian ideology. My ideology comes from spiritual, (faith based beliefs), philosophical and certain political perspectives. Survival of society and the culture depends on basic rules, tenets to keep the fabric from fraying and being destroyed. I am not aware of any platform that says Republicans are against homosexuality. There is a difference between acceptance of variations that occurs within species, and demanding 5,000 years of a defined foundation for almost every society known to man, primitive and otherwise, be changed. BTW, no need to be crude in this discussion.

2) the use of recreational drugs which I assume you are talking about, does impact society. Just as excessive drinking is the main cause of MVA, and death, drugs cause impairment as well. So while I understand you advocate personal choice, there are some things that have such adverse effects on society, it cannot be laissez faire.

3) “issue of abortion is trickier.” So to you it is just a matter of semantics? You said, ” a fertilized egg is only incrementally different after conception than before.” While you say one “cannot distinguish between human and nonhuman” I guarantee you, that it is only the human zygote (which has human DNA-23 pairs of human chromosomes) that goes onto become an embryo. This all happens within four days of conception. Those 23 pairs of chromosomes have half the DNA from the mother, half from the father. Let me put it this way, there would be no new human being formed unless the two meet, and only then is there any hope of a human life.

No, it is not trickier. Accepting and valuing the life of another human being is what keeps us with some semblance of humanity. The idea that anyone should have the power to destroy life because it is inconvenient or interferes with one’s lifestyle is probably the perfect example of a “me, myself, and I” mentality. What people fail to realize it is this causal disregard in valuing life that permeates so much else that is happening in society.

Maybe to you “culture war issues” are irrelevant, but that is an amazing remark to me. Nothing about this country, including the pride I have in being an American, the way I live my life or my religious beliefs exists in a vacuum.

And this remark from you actually gives me hope, because I think you are wrong.

“If they are going to trot out the same old same old about abortion and gays and nanny government, Obama is going to win huge.”

I am sorry you see this stuff as “same old”, but if you are a libertarian, and I think you are, you should be quite concerned about the nanny, socialist state coming to control not only my life, but yours as well. No, Obama is not going to “win big” he didn’t the first time around, and I certainly don’t see anything presently that supports he will do better the second time around. I believe that it will be a lot harder than you think for Obama to win next time.

I left out the defense discussion because that can be covered some other time. I do not believe isolationism or protectionism does a whole lot for us. But there are experts here that can discuss that better than I can. In fact, I am just a layperson on all of this, but I am one of many out there, and therein lies our strength.

I appreciate the civil discussion with you. BTW, social conservatives are a lot more accepting and tolerant than some may realize.

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cej, I did want to make one additional point.

penguin2 (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 7:17PM EST (link)

I do not seek to impose my religious beliefs upon anyone else. I certainly understand many may not have any or different ones from mine. I only seek to have the principles which our country was founded upon, adhered to. I think if the basic Constitution and the Conservative principles inherent in that were followed, we would all be a lot better off.

As I said above, I think social conservatives have a lot more tolerance in accepting others and their beliefs, than anything I have seen coming from the Left. The Left’s plan for power and control, including the nanny state of Socialism, is far more intrusive upon our way of life and privacy than anything we have ever seen.

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cej

Black River Wolf (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 8:08PM EST (link)

Have you ever taken a science class. Please tell me you did not. Because there is a big difference from and unfertilized egg and a zygote. It is human life.

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two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.”—-John Adams

This was suppose to be under cej

Black River Wolf (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 8:23PM EST (link)

But another thing. I am more of a libertarian with a small l than the Libertarians like you. I am not religious right person, but I do believe that you have to have some sort of belief system or basic Natural Law to follow. Without is our society breaks down and we have anarchy.

And without some belief system people will follow some sort of religious wanna bes, just look at Manbearpig for an example. Climategate has proven what most of us with half a brain thought, and still you have people saying we have Global warming.

There has to be some sort of guidance or we will fall just as Rome did. There has to be something to keep society form anarchy, which I think most Libertarians are, but are unwilling to say it.

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two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress.”—-John Adams

 
 

penguin- This response disappoints me

Scope (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 8:12PM EST (link)

and I’m just going to let it at that. Especially with you penguin, I would have thought you would have put up a little argument.

Scope, I spent almost an hour writing out an entire comment....

penguin2 (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 8:26PM EST (link)

probably the longest I have ever written in a comment. I don’t understand what is not an argument. I went over every point he made, and only left the defense one alone. My way of thinking was to refute each of his points, I thought I did that. I did not bother to respond to him and his references to my being a Republican team player or any of that stuff. Just wasn’t the issue or worth it to me.

I don’t know this person, and the only thing I know to do is explain where I am coming from and why. In particular, I took pains to explain the concept of human life to him.

3) “issue of abortion is trickier.” So to you it is just a matter of semantics? You said, ” a fertilized egg is only incrementally different after conception than before.” While you say one “cannot distinguish between human and nonhuman” I guarantee you, that it is only the human zygote (which has human DNA-23 pairs of human chromosomes) that goes onto become an embryo. This all happens within four days of conception. Those 23 pairs of chromosomes have half the DNA from the mother, half from the father. Let me put it this way, there would be no new human being formed unless the two meet, and only then is there any hope of a human life.

No, it is not trickier. Accepting and valuing the life of another human being is what keeps us with some semblance of humanity. The idea that anyone should have the power to destroy life because it is inconvenient or interferes with one’s lifestyle is probably the perfect example of a “me, myself, and I” mentality. What people fail to realize it is this causal disregard in valuing life that permeates so much else that is happening in society.

Maybe to you “culture war issues” are irrelevant, but that is an amazing remark to me. Nothing about this country, including the pride I have in being an American, the way I live my life or my religious beliefs exists in a vacuum.

I don’t know maybe I am missing something here….Sorry.

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It was a fantastic response.

Bill S (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 8:35PM EST (link)

You owe no one an explanation. Your reasoning is impeccable. Bravo.

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Thank you, bs. Appreciate it. :) nt

penguin2 (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 8:48PM EST (link)

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That's what I thought as well, bs.

janis (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 8:51PM EST (link)

Penguin’s response was educational, not confrontational. Honest without pandering, firm without backing down from what she believes, and polite throughout.

All in all, a 10, Penguin!!

 
 

penguin- I responded to your comment

Scope (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 9:33PM EST (link)

where you “made one more point”, missing the more extensive comment which you have pointed out. My sincerest apologies in not seeing your more extensive correct comment. Please forgive me.

Scope, okay and I appreciate knowing that...

penguin2 (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 9:58PM EST (link)

Did kind of throw me. I thought it had been one of my best efforts to refute a number of points he made, so I was puzzled.

No problem and all is clarified now. Thanks.

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cej- Don't ever dare again to tell me what I should think or believe

Scope (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 7:53PM EST (link)

“There is no clear difference between “human” and “not human” at any point in gestation. I think a reasonable compromise on the issue is to approximate things like viability and the fetus’ ability to experience the suffering of its own demise, and use that to set a time limit after which no abortions will be legal except under very specific circumstances, subject to independent medical review.”

You make me want to puke. Your disgusting, unintelligent, amoral, progressive and non-logical rant belongs on Dkos, where evil exists in mass. You Paul Libertarians are not seen as loony tunes for no reason.

I am praying for the day when Redstate goes back to banning Ron Paul whack jobs. Yeah, I’m calling you names. You more than deserve it.

 
 
 

Re: Gold Standard

cej Monday, February 22nd at 4:04PM EST (link)

This is actually an issue where Johnson and Paul disagree. Paul likes the gold standard, Johnson is uncertain but I think leans against the gold standard.

While I believe that it may be wise to take away the power of printing money from the government, I also think that the ensuing bouts of deflation that would come along with the adoption of the gold standard could be very painful. Better to peg the growth of the monetary base to population growth.

There is nothing about gold that gives it any more intrinsic value than the paper we now hold as a store of value. Gold is just stuff that we happen to dig up then bury again. Fiat currency is stuff that we say is currency. The value of each is determined in some part by the underlying confidence in everyone else’s perception: of the future value of gold, and of the future solvency of the issuing government.

I'm glad you're a Ronulan

Bill S (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 8:36PM EST (link)

because that means your tenure here is bound to be brief.

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DeMint is Genuine, Romney Tries....

jenniferjmilleresq Sunday, February 21st at 10:12PM EST (link)

There is really no comparison. Here in my home town, DeMint ran a small marketing firm and then served a couple terms in Congress and now his first in the Senate. Romney is more of a career politician (if that’s what you mean by “hack”). Learn more about him before you reject him. Even my sister and brother-in-law who are huge Ron Paul supporters LOVE DeMint.

 

DeMint a tired old hack?

houstoneagle (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 10:41PM EST (link)

ZOMG you did not just call DeMint a tired old hack!

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Ensign Chekhov: “Aye, Keptin.”

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My policy towards libertarians is "don't ask, don't tell"

Bill S (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 11:44PM EST (link)

If they want to be in the GOP, fine. But they’d better keep their “screw the socons” attitude to themselves.

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A true libertarian likes no laws at all.

Steph C (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 8:46PM EST (link)

From everything to petty theft to degradation and murder the libertarian thinks in terms of survival of the fittest and there is no guilt, no justice.

What are you? I read some of the comments further down this thread but I don’t really get a clear picture of what you are from it, except you want drugs and gay sex.

You want to murder babies through abortion because in your eyes they’re inhuman.

Fine. Have at it but you live with the consequences as well. No drug rehab benefits, no AIDs treatments, etc. etc. etc. via government intervention.

You see, I can’t stop you doing whatever it is you want but I draw the line at me having to pay the consequences with you for your actions; and that’s not just monetarily. With everything that gets done to take care of your, and others’ bad actions, I lose liberties that are dear to me through none of my own actions.

I respect that there have to be some laws for a society to function well rather than descend into chaos. Libertarians, like the statists on the left want their cake and to eat it, too. They want to do what they want when they want to do it and have someone else shoulder the responsibility.

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It's what I've been saying for months

Duke Sunday, February 21st at 10:01PM EST (link)

When the health insurance takeover (there’s no ‘health care reform’ to it) started, and Sen. DeMint began to respond into the vacuum created by a lack of leadership by run-of-the-mill GOP aparatchicks, I’ve been telling people, “There’s the next U.S. President; there’s a guy who doesn’t sound like a bullshit salesman with a mouthful of samples.”

I think he’s the real deal.

It’s not about a purge. It’s about an insurrection.

 

Sen. DeMint is a fine man

fsured Sunday, February 21st at 10:43PM EST (link)

and great conservative but he won’t ever be POTUS. He just doesnt have the charisma and broad appeal. I dont mean to knock him at all. I think he’d make a great president, but that just is not ever going to happen.

The one person I honestly believe would be a fantastic president is Sen. Richard Burr. I think RS should look at him. He may not be perfect, but he is really an impressive guy. I’ve gotten the chance to meet him a few times, and have seen him break down a complicated issue and explain it with real eloquence. I guess we have to get him re-elected first though. Just my 2 cents.

Careful

neomom Monday, February 22nd at 10:01AM EST (link)

Burr is doing a good job in the Obama era, but could easily fall into that traditional “Country Club Republican” roll. I’d need to see a whole lot more of him front and center before I’d say he was presidential material.

 
 

Absolutely Agreed

constitutionalconservative (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 11:29PM EST (link)

I shudder to think where conservatives in Congress would be without DeMint right now. After the 2010 midterms, conservatives should do everything it takes to see that he becomes majority leader.

That is of course

constitutionalconservative (Diary) Sunday, February 21st at 11:35PM EST (link)

Assuming that we will take back the Majority :-)

 
 

DeMint is a quality public servant but the people are the leaders.

qurys Monday, February 22nd at 7:57AM EST (link)

And I believe this is how it should be. We understand what is wrong and we know what needs to be done to make it right. Perhaps not the nuts and bolts of the job, but we understand what We The People want. The Conservatives and Republicans and everyone else who wishes to chart a new course for this country would do well to listen to their leaders…the people. This is a position, like it or not, that the people have taken on since 2009. It is a position that has been mocked by Democrats and liberals as far up as the President of the United States. But I believe the people are right for the job.

 

Jim is the man

irbobert Monday, February 22nd at 2:54PM EST (link)

Jim DeMint –
Is the only man in Congress that has any balls? He is the only one to stand up to Obumer. Are all the others afraid to speak their minds and question the actions of our great leader? What did we elect to keep America the strongest nation in the world — apparently some pussy-willows that are hell-bent to see America fall into the cess-pool.
Jim calls a spade-a- spade and makes no bones about it. He sees the person for what he really stands for and is not afraid to speak-up. With out Jim to fight for us, We are in a world of hurt. Jim, you have our many thanks.

Ps You can go duck hunting with me anytime.

 

DeMint and Romney

robbyshankar (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 10:21PM EST (link)

I’m just curious what people on Redstate think of DeMint’s support for Romney in 2008. I’ve noticed that Romney is practically holds a persona non grata status on Redstate, while DeMints is well liked. I really like both of them. Any thoughts?

for myself Mitt was not as bad as his supporters

pilgrim (Diary) Monday, February 22nd at 10:52PM EST (link)

It could be that some of the Romney supporters, who were almost as bad as Ron Paul supporters, is what gives you the impression of non grata status at RS toward Mitt.


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Grammar check

robbyshankar (Diary) Tuesday, February 23rd at 1:44AM EST (link)

I meant “Romney practically holds.” There’s an extra “is” in there. Can’t let that stand.

 
 

DeMint is a consistent and principled

Lycurgus Monday, February 22nd at 10:45PM EST (link)

conservative, while Romney supported a quasi-fascistic medical scheme in Massachusetts.

Fascism is government control and direction of the means of production, while allowing a vestige of the veneer of private ownership to continue to exist. It transforms owners into government managers, and transforms a free society, albeit slowly, into a more subservient one.

That’s why I’m personally a huge fan of DeMint’s, but can’t stomach Romney.

If to please the people we offer what we ourselves disapprove, how then shall we stand? Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God. ~George Washington