that you are a member of a country club

Erick,

I couldn’t agree more that we, as Americans, need to move past this Birfer non-issue, but you need to be careful in addressing this matter with those who follow that path. The issue isn’t citizenship – the issue is natural born citizenship.

By invoking derivative citizenship within the context of challenging the Birfer argument, you highlight a non-issue and give further cause to these individuals to continue their challenge of your position here at RS. Derivative citizenship is irrelevant either way.

You are best served by not addressing this further. Barack Obama is President of the United States – that is fact. He was born in the United States of America – that is fact. Time to leave at that and move on.

about time we had this happen……this will make the LSM even more ineffective in discrediting us. The revolution will happen, we will bring back this country to its conservative base!

As a Conservative since birf, and a proud American veteran who fought for the troof, I’m VERY concerned that the ‘fringies’ will co-opt the Conservative Movement in the small minds of the previously mainstream media. I really hate it when tiny insignificant people like Tweety Matthews and Old Doberman point to these far-out opinions and paint us all with the same whitewash.

What it’s really all about is common sense; personal responsibility, and doing the work of politics ourselves. It’s about Tea Party People and joining together in opposition to the past century of governmental irresponsiblity. The time has come to use the Constitution for its intended purpose.

Viva La Revoulcion – the fun is just beginning!

I had no idea that because you said the birther, truther comments were no longer welcome here that you really meant annihilation was planned!

Erick, thank you for the stance you have taken. It was wise.

The conspiracy theorists who will never be satisfied with any proof are mucking up comment sites, and mucking up the tea party.

“Question with boldness.” Yes, but be susceptible to truth.

No one should have to tolerate people who are so bogged down in theories that reason is absent. I was excited when I heard the birth certificate controversy – seemed like a godsend. But then, facts came out, I examined them, and I dismissed them. When I look at what serves as research on this on certain websites, it is nothing more than fiction based on conjecture.

I think Obama withholds information because it is easy to make the crazies stand out, and that discredits conservatives.

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and let’s hope that it is.

blasting you and RedState on this issue, are not necessarily from our side/authentic “birther” believers. As I have read through the threads and looked at profiles, IMO, there could have been some “plants” who used this particular topic to come after RedState. It is just a sense I got from reading some of the remarks, and what really comes across as bad faith posting, seems suspicious to me.

You hit the most important fact; Obama’s mother was a U.S. citizen, thus a baby born to a mother who is a U.S. citizen automatically gives them U.S. citizenship. Doesn’t matter if he was born in Hawaii, or Timbuktu, or in-flight over the Indian Ocean, even on the moon, at least I think it holds true for out-of-this-world births…..

Why would we as Republicans want to play along and not even be a little suspicious of the efforts to keep the movement alive?

Erick you are starting down the path that Chuck went down when he decided that certain subjects and the people that brought them up had to go. Is this a form of modifying the 1st amendment? Is it because it’s your web site that you simply will not allow this subject to be talked about? How would you feel if Obama refused to talk about certain things because they unpleasant. Oh wait, he already does that. The thing you are missing is that there is a lot more to the birther side than you are willing to see. I don’t care where the bastard was born but I do care where and whom he spent his youth and college days with. I would like to know what his school records show and who paid for his education. I would like to know who he worked for that he could pay off his school loans when he has stated that he worked one summer which no can verify. We know more about the founding fathers than we do about this guy. Why are you so afraid of the MSM and what they will say about these questions. You were not one of the leading non-believers on AGW but you are on the band wagon now. Maybe this is a similar event.

the moderators could nicely tell them to take their arguments elsewhere. Since the Nashville Tea Party “birfer” speaker, and, the Debra Medina, Beck interview, it seems to have brought light to the conspiracy theorists, and, they are scattering like cockroaches, and, are trying to garner validity for their wild ideas. I wonder why so many of them showed up here at Redstate? I don’t want to sound like the nuts that they are, but, I remember all too well how the Paulites would come out in force, and try to take over the discussion on websites that didn’t agree with Ron Paul. Are all these people coming from World Net Daily or some such cultist site?

hasn’t been audited by the Irish Republican Army. Erick, are those 3 piece suits made of polyester? Are they plaid?

I disagree with the idea that a disqualified president must not be questioned after being elected, if that is when the disqualification was shown. That’s vital to the rule of law. If judges would value the vote over the law, those judges are not doing their job.

The point is that *this* president is qualified according to the Constitution, and arguing otherwise is bad for us and bad for the nation. It is also a matter of the rule of law that we accept the results of elections, just as we expect others to.

Erick

So is your ban extending to support by RS in the form of raising money, front page endorsements and other support, anyone running for office that is playing with, pandering to, or other forms of lending their credibility to this non issue?

I have no one specific at this time that I would claim are pandering to this crowd, but if there is going to be a bright line for posters on this topic at RS, is the same sort of bright line going to be imposed on those who RS backs?

Your final word or similar words are what I would like to see Republicans ether currently in office or seeking office respond to this question ““Based on the facts, it is very clear that President Obama is our lawfully elected President and the Office of President of the United States of America…? a pretty good answer at the end of the day.

…both of which were visible with the Left all during the Bush years.

Conspiracy theories go back at least to the Stanton plot to kill Lincoln, and yeah, just why are portions of the Lewis and Clark expedition still under lock and key at the National Archives? I’ll pass on that …for now.

But birthers are eaten up by the same virus that rotted the minds of so many bottom-feeding Lefties, Code Pink, half the law faculties in the land, and the DailyCuss that Bush Lied and People Died, and that their particular theory or interpretation of law IS the law,

Of course there is an important element of their case missing..namely a gavel having come down and adjudicating it so. Case in point. Precedence. name one. Tain’t there.

And EE is 100% per cent correct that the people often decide, making the fine hair splitting and minutiae irrelevant. Ask most people and they will say you’re a natural born citizen if you’re born to a natural both citizen…not a dad,..but either, no matter where.

I know the Loony Tunes have moved in when I get the most confounded and contorted “briefs”: on this case from people I know have never read a single book…without pictures. (Truthers are worse on this account.)

Who cares if it was Hawaii? My son was born in japan. What if I’d been vactioning there instead of on duty? We’re getting into George Carlin country here…”then the plane crashes, and you’re on a raft…and you intended to take communion, but then you crossed the international date line…is that then still a sin, Fodder?”

Throughout the Bush years we heard accusations of “war crimes”…no declared war by Congress…illegal invasion…then torture…while still not a single court of competent jurisdiction has ever rendered a final ruling on any of the enhanced interrogation techniques we used.

So, what’s the basis of your determination, Sir (doing my best Olberman here). Don’t show me a statute, Sir show me a case , Sir, a real court case Sir, that goes right to the point of your theory, Sir, did you hear me, a Theory, That’s all you got, a theory,,,whatza matter, boy, you deef? (over to Foghorn Leghorn), can’t you understand clear English?…Listen up, Boy.. (side bar) “That boy’s just one brick short of load….

Thhhhhaaatttt’s all folks

Does Arnie think that Hawaii is a foreign country? I can only imagine what he would think if he was born in Guam.

Birfers can’t spell, punctuate, or use proper grammar. I suspect there’s a connection.

I will do what I can to help GROW “Redstate” and I will add it to my favorite, favorites. The birfer thang has run its course, it will be dealt with later when/if the time is right, let’s focus on getting the libs out of power.
Cb

We can both agree that he unfortunately our legal president and that he is a leninist, but that exceprt from the Heritage Guide of the Constitution leaves me with one honest question: is it only required that one parent be a US citizen if someone is born overseas? I would assume so since we know his father was not, but since all signs point to this doofus being born in Hawaii, I don’t suppose that even matters.

They people deleted my comments at the The Post Email that started this. Not that I’m surprised or upset. Just saying it’s a bit of a hypocrtical argument.

I’ll answer your e-mail for myself, since I don’t speak for Erick. Reading your e-mail, I did hear a thoughtful concern about fractious behavior.
“-it saddens me to see you stoop to this level of attack and counterattack on people who are harmless and well -meaning, although admittedly misguided. I would like to council that this is not something you should continue to do – that you should apologize to the Birfers publicly for being so forceful in your level of critizism and for stooping to such a low point – this is the behavior generally relegated to our Liberal foes. I believe that you can do this without giving ground and confirming the “Birfer’s” position. As a Christian brother, I would ask that you examine yourself to determine if your current attacks are truly being guided from On High.”
You called on him as a Christian Brother to stop attacking a belief of a fringe group. I do not know what you are basing this concept of ‘Unity’ on, or what basis you mix your Christian beliefs with politics on. But since you played the Christian Card, I have to call you on that.
I do not see any basis for calling for compliance with some Christian ‘Unity Ethic’. If you read the history of the Christian Church, there has been division from the start. Most of the original believers were either Jewish or Greek. Jews were and are famous for splitting hairs over theological points. At the time of Christ, there were factions of Pharisees, Saducees, etc.. On the Greek side, they were arguing all the time, and split into warring houses. as the Christian Church developed organizational structure, Paul spent split his time writing to the churches, between calling them to put away old behavior, and giving them tests for ‘culling from the herd’ expounders of the Word who were really not right in heart or head to be speaking; “Wolfs in Sheep’s clothing”.
Within 200 years, the church was having to expel Arians, and writing the Nician Creed to ensure orthodoxy. By roughly 700 AD Irish and Albian Catholics were in conflict with the Roman Bishop or Pope, over religious worldview and practices. Around 1000 AD the Monks of Cluny (France) were starting a 150 year struggle with the established Roman Church over practices and slippage of piety.
John Wycliffe was righting his English translation of the Bible by about 1350 (that ended well). Luther was in revolt, theologically, by 1520ish, John Calvin was setting up new structures and government about the same time. All these men were physically suppressed for fractious behavior, and in the end were proven right. The Catholic Church reformed itself again in 1960ish to allow parishioners to read the Bible for themselves settling the point in favor of the ‘protest’ants.
The Scottish Church had a long struggle with English power to establish the right to worship as they saw fit. Now some people have a problem with religious struggles, but what came out of them resulted in universal education, fuel for the printing press (which resulted in a enormous strengthening of free-speech), and global economic opportunity for Scots, as a result of the education they received from within Church Schools. All of this came with great struggle and cost, imposed by state functionaries rather than private. The Scottish Church was famous for it’s Schisms, which were frequent, but usually were resolved in 10 or 20 years and the community church re-united.
So, if you see criticism and fractiousness as threatening to Church Unity, or regard it as unchristian, you might wan’t to review what it has meant to be a Christian in history. Much of scientific debate followed on the model of the Jewish, Greek, and Christian methods of debating propositions or hypothesis.
‘Unity’ in my book is way overrated. Besides, he’s a lawyer, what do you expect? Kinda of his job to divide arguments and lobby for one side.

for me, this is a legal issue.

Was Obama born on U.S. soil as a U.S. citizen.

If yes, discussion over.

The job ahead is to stop the government from hurting the country, get involved in primaries and then bury the hatchet and come together to defeat the Dems in Nov to take the house to get the “power of the purse” and subpoena power to slow the administration.

That was a convoluted sentence but Dems must be defeated ASAP. While I sort of enjoy following the rabbit trail on some of these wilder ideas , they are not going anywhere, Obama was elected president, he won’t resign and nobody can throw him out. Look at the nonsense the left went through after Gore v Bush. The next election not the last one is what matters.

I guess you could have a conspiracy theory wing for wilder brainstorming for the free speech value but none of this stuff talked about to date is going anywhere.

Thank you for putting distance between conservatives who care about issues and facts and those who float conspiracy theories.

that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government: of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

First, I have no reason to believe Obama was not born in Hawaii. However, if he were not born there, according to this web site:

http://www.visalaw.com/05jan1/2jan105.html

For someone born between 12/23/1952 and 11/13/1986, then “When one parent was a US citizen and the other a foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the child, with five of the years after the age of 14. ”

I have no idea how this applies to Obama and his mother. But, obviously to be a natural born citizen, you need to be a citizen. My only two points are:

1. English common law does not apply if there are statutory definitions.

2. I wish Obama would release his actual birth certificate to put an end to this. But, he may have some reason for wanting it to continue.

But I wonder, would it be worth a “rule change” by whatever means that would take, to require that candidates running for the office of President (and any other representative office that requires citizenship- I don’t know how many others there may be) provide verifiable hard-copy original documentation to support it?

My son had to show his original hard-copy-with-raised-seal birth certificate in order to get a driving learner’s permit in Maryland -along with other records to verify his address and attendance record in public school. Shouldn’t the office of the President of the United States require at least that? (We can omit the public school attendance record…I guess… )

This is irrespective of the current President or his eligibility to be so. I just find it odd that the most public of public officials can keep so much so private.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians

He (Icke) contends that most of the world’s leaders are in fact related to these reptilians.[5] Icke’s theories now have supporters in 47 countries and he frequently gives lectures to crowds of 2,500 or more.[6][7] American writer Vicki Santillano ranked the notion that “Reptilian humanoids control all of us” as the 10th most popular conspiracy theory.[8]

A favorite conspiracy of David Icke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

Yes, I know it’s from wikipedia, somehow it fits ….

Do that and I will not bother with the issue again. Do it not and the issue will never be forgotten and will never go away, I promise.

There’s nothing in this for me. If proof cannot be provided and obama is removed, I get biden… Woooo…..Hoooo……… What a victory!

I simply seek that the law is not flouted and is fair to everyone. Something we cannot any longer claim is the case, for there are those who seek to rid us of our freedoms and our power and provide for us new leaders with new powers to control even our very thoughts and they will not be dissuaded by simple words and flaccidity.

Nor is any of this an accident or happenstance. Those things correct themselves and are then build upon with truth and facts which are then recognized. In this case the people are being actively protected from those truths and facts and force fed what can only be described as enemy propaganda, for enemies, they are.

While not disputing your right to control what is said here, I must assert that stifling the mention of 0bamo’s origins in this one venue does not put the issue to rest. I do, however, understand how the leftist vermin will misrepresent the reservations expressed to discredit those who love this country. Of course, intentional misrepresentations and hatred of America are instinctive to those anaerobic parasites.

Ultimately, the only thing which matters is to expunge this vile Marxist charlatan, its enablers and all they represent from this nation. You have your approach, I have mine and likely there are several million variations on this theme. We may disagree on tactics but we do share the same penultimate goal of protecting and preserving the United States of America . . . a purpose ignored, if not rejected & reviled, by bozo & its fellow travelers.

The best piece on Obama qualifications that I have read is at FreeRepublic.com, and has nothing to do with his birth certificate (which people have a right to see and should not be comingled with the “Truthers” just for continuing to ask), it is all about Barack Hussein Obama being the son of a non citizen (his father) and nothing Mr. Erickson RedState has written in this post addresses that.

Even though I think Obama was most likely born in Hawaii, I’d still like to know why Eric thinks that if Max Cleland can ask for – and get with press support – Bush paystubs from his National Guard days, then others should not be able to ask for and continue to ask for, and not be stonewalled by the press and the subject of the inquiry – the more important documents pertaining to Mr. Obama’s history. The only reason this has gone on and the Cleland request did not drag on was because Bush had the decency to show the requested docs. Banning and shutting up birthers rewards Obama’s stonewalling.

American. Now, if he can just start acting like one…

be able to pass a background check that a government worker has to pass

We do worry when a writer of two books tells us that you have become bonified.

NT

I’ve thought it possible that the Obama campaign’s attempt to make an issue of McCain’s birthplace as a “disqualification” for his candidacy since he wasn’t “born inside the US” — might just be connected to his own (Obama’s) obstinance in refusing to provide any of those documents on his own background, including the kerfuffle over a “Certification of Live Birth” instead of a birth certificate. The stuff about McCain (who was born on a Naval base when his father was stationed there) would almost certainly guarantee that someone “from the Right” would, sooner or later, hone in on Obama’s birthplace, especially since his primary-school years were spent outside the US.

Even though I don’t see the “super intelligence” oft attributed to Obama by the fawning lackys of MSNBC et al, I do think the Obama bunch are an extremely cunning sort. I would imagine they’re laughing their patoots off at this particular little trick, and how well it seems to have worked (hang it up, Birthers! They’re laughing at you).

I’ve already agreed with Erick that it would be best to ban people from this web site who espouse the view that Obama is ineligilible and therefore should be removed from office. People who espouse that view are basically out of their minds.

However, I do want to briefly take issue with some of what Erick says in this latest post. The idea that Obama would be eligilible for the presidency even if we were born outside the U.S. is absolute, complete baloney. The material that Erick quotes involves a situation where BOTH parents are U.S. citizens, which everyone agrees was not the case with President Obama.

If you want confirmation that Obama would not be eligible for the presidency if he were born outside the U.S. then please see ths analysis by Professor Eugene Volokh of UCLA. Volokh writes:

So, as I now read 8 U.S.C. § 1401, “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States” before Nov. 14, 1986 is a natural-born citizen only if the citizen parent “was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years” — the same rule that was in place in the early 1960s.

If someone were to come forth with evidence that Obama was born outside the United States, then he would be ineligible, and would have to be removed from office. Do I think that will ever happen? Absolutely not. All the evidence to date proves that he was born in the United States. He has refused to release a copy of his long-form birth certificate from 1961 that lists the attending physician and names the hospital, but that refusal may be for numerous other reasons than because he was born abroad. I believe he ought to release a copy of the 1961 certificate, which the State of Hawaii says it still possesses, but Obama’s refusal to do so proves nothing about his eligibility for office. All the evidence we have available shows that he was born in Hawaii in 1961, and therefore people who say he’s ineligible are off their collective rocker, and should properly be banned form this website.

A tool for Mobies to try and state their bonfides. That and enable the mentally unhinged.

It seems a number of readers are making the mistake of thinking “the right to free speech” means “the right to be heard”. For those that don’t get it:

Each and every one of us is totally free to ignore the mountain of overwhelming evidence that Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States who’s rightly eligible for the presidency. If you want to take all the rope the Left has given you and use it to hang yourself you’re more than welcome to do so by exercising your freedom of speech and proudly proclaiming yourself a birfer. The thing is Erick Erickson doesn’t want you using his soapbox to do it. And seeing as how Erick and company pay for this soapbox he’s free to decide how it gets used. Having seen people use this place to make conservatives out to be deranged lunatics, he’s put a stop to it. No one’s stopping you birfers from speaking; Redstate’s just taking back their megaphone.

What happened to birferism here is akin to the Communist Party being told by management that they can distribute literature outside the local Home Depot. They’re peddling an insane discredited philosophy in a high traffic area they don’t own and the people who actually do own and run the place are afraid the run of the mill traffic will think it’s being allowed because the owners are supportive of the whackos.

Unless you believe Redstate’s property rights are meaningless, that is.

how people continue to get this wrong. I have no doubt that Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen. But, the quote by Ed Meese above about what constitutes a NATURAL BORN citizen is wrong.

To be a natural born citizen, there must be jus sanguinis and jus soli. In other words, of bloodline AND of the soil. Both parents must be U.S. citizens (either by birth or naturalized) and the child must be born in the U.S. or territory under the control of the U.S. This is why the Founding Fathers had to grandfather themselves in in that whole section of the Constitution.

So… do I think Barack Obama is legally a NATURAL BORN citizen under this definition? Clearly not.

But, at this point, the deed is done. I just hope Congress passes legislation that tightens up the process for vetting candidates in future elections.

But, as one poster so astutely pointed out… no matter where you fall on this issue… Obama does not act like a natural born citizen… anything but.

Have not checked the blog in a few days, been busy job hunting.. As an older American, job hunting is even a bit more challenging, but I remain positive..Who cares what people believe? Who cares what issues the American people are concerned about? If it does not personally affect my personal life then the American people are free to express themselves on any topic they so choose.

You did state the following in your piece which is definitely true:

it is undisputed that Barack Obama’s mother is and has always been an American citizen. Therefore Barack Obama is and has always been an American citizen.

So then the following is also true correct?

It is undisputed that Barack Obama’s father is and always been a citizen of Kenya, British subject and NOT an American citizen. Therefore Barack Obama is and has always been a citizen of another land as well. Two, for the price of one birth.

Based on that statement alone individuals will continue to question the NBC issue and it in no way affects their ability to be productive members of society or continue with rational thought. It’s your blog though, you can do as you please. So that would be my first and final thought on the issue.

Brian, I am working hard in my blue state of MI to volunteer, go to meetings, stay involved politically on the local level and to keep people informed of the issues at hand concerning the socialist policies before us. My grandfather was a democrat way back in the day, he always said he would be a democrat until they ran the donkey. When Carter was in office for two years he said ” they ran the donkey”.. I shutter to think what he would say today were he alive. Shortly after the election of president Obama, I read a great piece that said : There are two types of Americans: 1. Those who lived through Jimmy Carter, and 2. Those who are about to find out what we were talking about. I lived through Nixon and Carter and down the line to the present. Think positive though, we will overcome. As bad as things seem today, they were much much worse back in the day, trust me. I was physically ill the night of the election… seriously. I believe this presidency has been a blessing though. I really do. The American people are much more in tuned with learning about the constitution, and we had 8 years of sleeping well because Bush and Cheney were worrying about the terrorists. People see.

I’m a Naturalized Citizen now my question to all you knowledgeable people here is this:

As a Naturalized Citizen can that citizenship ever be taken away from me?

The answer is YES, if I used FRAUD to acquire it. If I lied to acquire this status it can be stripped away from me as if it never happened.

If that applies to me it also applies to somone using FRAUD to win an election. Hiding, Sealing and lying by Omission is FRAUD. If it is true than the Election of Nov 2008 is NULL and VOID. If people voting on someone not eligible by Atricle II of the Constitution than it is FRAUD it is worse than someone lyiung about having a degree when they didn’t. There has been stories in the news about fake degrees, fake soldiers, etc…. maybe we have a FAKE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

IF Bernie Madoff got away it his Scheme for yrs even when someone kept blowing teh whistle and the SEC kept ignoring it, maybe BO is getting away with it too there are plenty of us BLOWING the whistle. Better Safe than Sorry or Trust but VERIFY comes to mind.

Mr. Eric,
If you married somone that didn’t believe in sex before marriage and she was the perfect mate and on the first night of the honeymoon you discovered that the woman you married had male parts and you were Fooled would you just stay married because after all you had the courtship, then the marriage was witnessed by your family and friends and for all intents and purposes YOU WERE MARRIED? That is your “WIFE” now and you should just saty married, RIGHT?

We were sold a bill of BAD goods, ELECTION BY FRAUD can NEVER STAND!!!

Proud Birthers seek a clarification of Eligibility because it was NEVER clarified or verified. TRUST BUT VERIFY.

On the hills of Bernie Madoff, Van Jones, etc. we should just make sure especially with someone that has been very scretive about their past and has SEALED and HIDDEN all Documents and Records. Especially with someone that uses a Connecticut Social Security # BUT never lived in that state.
Especially someone that has used well over 30 Social Security numbers.

Yes there is suspicion of FRAUD and Identity Theft. All we are sayign is lets look under the hood. Obama wanted to look under Scott Brown’s truck’s hood, we want to look under “Obama’s” hood for his past and documents.

WHO IS HE?
If he is who he says he is no harm no foul and we can move on as we were BUT what if he is a FRAUD? Remember Bernie Madoff could have been stopped 10 yrs and Billions of dollars prior.

Obama prove ELIGIBILTY for the Country’s UNITY or RESIGN.

We have plenty of work to do on bouncing Obama out on policy. I think that path will be quicker and easier anyway even if there were some question on his legitimacy.

For future candidates, we are talking about trusting the leadership to the most powerful nation in the world. This person will have his/her finger on the nukes. They deserve to be completely vetted with the utmost scrutiny.

My view is you want to run for office, you will be required to be totally open book, period. You don’t like it, don’t run. Your choice.

Including:
original citizenship documents
school transcripts
medical records
voting records
financial records
any records and information that give light to upbringing, character, accomplishments, views, etc…

If we can’t require this from the candidates for the most powerful office on the globe, something is wrong.

This should be required for all future candidates. We have plenty of work to do bouncing Obama out on policy. I think that path will be quicker and easier anyway even if there were some question on his legitimacy.

Gotta side with Jimmy Simpson, John Krider, et al. Eric is obsessed with ridiculing “birfers.” Me? I’m more of a “cashill.” As in Jack Cashill, over at American Thinker. They have outstanding, thoughtfull “commenters” as well.

Sorry Eric has decided what is or isn’t Tea Party policy. I could see this coming first time I saw him on TV. I could tell he’s never stepped in a cow pie. Friggin lawyers. As I see it, for those of you old enough to remember, “its the cover-up stupid.” It got one President to resign and that took a cumulative effect. The idea that Obama is a liar is taking hold. The fact that he may not even be natural born or that “Pops” is really “Gramps” or Frank Marshall Davis, would just be icing on the cake. A for this idea of beating Obama on ideas, even some of us old geezers can multi-task.

very gracious, but your remarks are the very reason this whole attack on the birfers is so wrong. Keep it up and the conservative movement will extinguish itself by friendly fire. What exactly am I wrong about? Be sure to cite what I’ve actually posted, not your machinations. I may be wrong about the cow pie.

BIRTHERS ARE NUT CASES
Birthers pick out little things in newspapers and web sites and run with it….i.e., dicta!

“During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?”
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

..these are only words. His school records prove he is a Natural American eligible to be president and he was a U.S. Senator. So what if he has used different names like Barry Soetoro and Steve Dunham. Don’t we all use different names like on this blog. If it was not a c-section it was natural. Right?
This is like the nut cases that still believe in global warming and now that they are exposed they still believe the polar bears will fall off the iceberg and die! Like a bad tune in your head that won’t go away.
Case Closed!

Warning, Not Work Safe! Play at your own risk. http://www.ilike.com/artist/Harry+Nilsson/track/You%27re+Breakin%27+My+Heart

“White House officials are retooling the administration’s communications strategy to produce faster responses to political adversaries, a more disciplined focus on President Obama’s call for “change” in Washington and an increasingly selective use of the president’s time.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/14/AR2010021403550.html

Now that enough time has been wasted on this issue, is it time to move on?

There is battle ahead.

… as Truthers are to the Left. They each seek to find comfort and meaning in grand conspiracies.

But stuff often happens that we don’t like, or that frightens us or makes us think that the world as we’ve known it no longer exists. For some, it’s easier to think of some Leftist-Fascist-Marxist-Sub-Saharan-Muslim Cabal out there trying to undermine our American way of life; for others it’s easier to think of some Corporate-Fascist-Halliburton-Fueled-Israeli-Led-Neo-Con Plot to seize ultimate power.

In truth, the world is a dangerous place, and bad stuff sometimes happens. I like Obama, and I don’t like Bush (nor did I much like Clinton, either). But I believe both men believe in the their country, and neither would seek to cause it harm.

I think Mr. Erickson is wise to ask the Birthers to take their conspiracy theories elsewhere. I enjoy reading the WELL-REASONED conservative arguments, even though I usually disagree. I’m glad to see Red State “keep its head,” (to paraphrase another Red ruler!).

Here is Leo Donofrio’s opinion of this closeted white hatted zampliot –

My input is that I do not have any faith in you – Mr. John Charlton – or your publication the Post and Email. I suspect your blog’s motivation for existing is directly opposite to the intention of my blog.

As of today, October 9, 2009 you are permanently banned from commenting at this blog. You have the sole honor of that ban to yourself. No other person or journal has earned this distinction. As far as I am concerned, you no longer even exist in the blogosphere.

I do not trust you and I find your attempt to jump from journalist to lawyer arrogant, suspicious and very sad. I will not grace your Seussian Hooplah with another glance. I encourage my readers to ignore your dangerously misleading legal analysis.

No future links to your blog will be posted here. All prior links will remain although this statement will be added as an update. I will not attempt to revise history and erase my prior – very mistaken – support of your blog.