If they would just tone it down and stop acting like such a bunch of lunatics, there actually might be some tiny bit of sympathy for their opinion. But they can’t help themselves.

It is Erick Erickson.

It is not Eric Erickson.
It is not Erik Erickson.
It is not Eric Ericsson.
It is not Erick Erikson.
It is not Erikk Erickkson, with three Ms and a silent Q.

Erick. Erickson.

For the love of GOD. It is not a difficult name to get right.

Moe Lane

PS: No, I do not know why this bugged me.

I thought after yesterday we were shut of this birther/truther stuff on RS.

Are we now to be subjected to days of snide shots from an elevated position with no opportunity for return fire?

If you want to ignore the movement, then IGNORE IT!

I hate those guys.
I got my mind right boss.

(disclaimer: I am NOT a birther).

But, I was paying attention during the election. And I noticed something.

There is a HUGE hole in the entire federal political system.

In each case these people went to the state secretaries, they were told ‘its a federal matter’, and each time it went to the federal courts they were told ‘its up to the states’.

Basically, you have to provide proof of residency, a copy of your birth certificate, your last 12 electric bills, and a copy of your library card to run for Dog Catcher or they will not allow you on the ballot….but run for president, and you don’t have to file a single piece of paper to anyone anywhere proving you meet the requirements for the job.

Something about this STINKS.

Check out the comments at that link!

I just started my 1L year in September. After I read the MacDonald v. Rhodes decision, I showed it to my civil procedure professor, and she used it in class as demonstrations on Rules 11 and 12(b)(6) of the FRCP. (sanctions against counsel and failure to state a claim, respectively) And, we all got a kick out of the crazy, because by that time Taitz had decided to verbally indict everyone by the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man as being part of a global conspiracy to put and keep Obama in office.

produced his birth certificate, as high school chess players have to in order to join a team.
O has never shown his actual birth certificate. The web page version is a copy of his “live birth” document from when he was a year old. I guess by that time you could say he was alive.
Now, if you don’t care, that’s fine.
YOU guys are the ones who keep nattering about how much you despise and disparage and hate “birfers.”
I think the anti-birfer bloggers doth protest too much.
Or, they could, otherwise, shut up.

You should post that you’re a birther… maybe that will get you banned.

This is beginning to look like Obama dealing with Iran.

“[. . .] What do George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H. W. Bush, Ronald W. Reagan, Jimmy E. Carter, and Barack Obama all have in common besides being elected President? None of them had to present a birth certificate before they ran for office. [. . .]”

So what’s wrong with changing the law to avoid this foolish waste of time in the future? Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, and Carter were simple cases, but someone years down the road might make things interesting.

….. “George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George H. W. Bush, Ronald W. Reagan, Jimmy E. Carter” spend millions to hide their data including BC & make sure all foreign family members were either dead, dying or hidden & protected from inquiry? Where there’s smoke there’s fire!!!! If there is no problem, then why not show it (his BC) & kil the issue once & for all – in the long form, a real BC, not a certificate of live birth. I’m sure a many million marh on DC with weapons drawn would help the issue as well as getting rid of the other commies in Congress!! It is time!

I suspect it either won’t be approved or will be heavily edited.

By the way, I’ve never seen an ad here that had nudity. Where are you guys hiding all of them?

Why do you call truthers, truthers but call birthers, birfers? I am not a fan of birthers but they absolutely in no way should be lumped in with the monstrous truthers. One is based on the entire US government conspiring to kill 3,000 Americans and the other is ONE man not stepping forward whether made to or only asked to by the citizens of our country to show us who the hell he is. I am not buying all the born out of the country stuff but as a gesture to the American couldn’t he step forward and tell us and show us his life story? Do you know anything about him from high school to Chicago? Do you know who he worked for or who his friends were? Do you know who paid for his college or what his grades were? Do you know who wrote his two books? Hell no and you don’t want anyone else to ask any questions. I don’t
get it why everyone is so afraid to ask these simple questions and why the ones that do are critersized for doing so. Palin had it right when she said that EVERY citizen has the right to ASK any question they want of the President.

They put me in the extremely uncomfortable position of having to defend Obama!

I mean where does it end? Why not talk about who joined what fraternity in college? Why not discuss who was smoking cigarettes in the bathroom in high school? Heck, while we’re at it, shouldn’t we be inquiring as to who a future or past candidate pushed off the jungle gym in first grade? It’s all freaking ridiculous.

If you want Obama’s biography, go read the two he’s written on his own. Or go read any of the myriad of books, articles and papers written on his past. Go to Chicago, Hawaii and Indonesia and interview his former friends, teachers and people who once saw him in a grocery store. This whole situation is just asinine.

You’re a natural citizen if you have one American parent, regardless of where you were born, or if you’re born in America regardless of parentage. That’s the rule and that’s basically always been the rule. Obama’s mother was a Kansan and he was born in Hawaii. End of freaking discussion.

Those on this site who have said that Obama is intentionally withholding information to try and make his detractors look crazy may or may not be right. I don’t know. But I do know that going down this path certainly does de-legitimize those who make salient arguments against his policies and positions. So completely disassociating ourselves from those nutbags is the right move. I think talking too much about the issue is probably not a great strategy, but a few very direct posts on the subject and strict enforcement of the banning policy is a solid play.

I just hope that this is basically the last time Erick brings it up, because further discussion just mainstreams birfers by getting them play on a serious website like this one.

(btw – Will I get banned for the following? Is this disrespectful?)
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Erick,

I know you are not going to like to hear this… but I’ve agreed with ALL of your positions & posts about the birthers until those last few posts. You are now burning bridges that didn’t need to get burned, and you are greatly underestimating the clout and deep roots of Joseph Farah and wnd.com …you need them to be allies, not advisories.

Additionally, you are putting yourself in a position where you’d look like an idiot if the following two things BOTH happen: (1) Obama starts pulling ‘Hugo Chavez’-like antics that creep out even average Americans–is that so hard to imagine?, AND (2) a smoking gun does come up that conclusively proves that Obama was never constitutionally qualified to be president. While both happening is outside shot, you are foolish to bet sooooo much that both of those things never happen.

If both of those things do happen… and you lose political capital over it… I’m going to have a hard time feeling sorry for you.

Before I ever heard you pipe in on this, I recall feeling sick to my stomach that wnd.com pushed this issue so hard. Why? Because I knew that if this were proved true too early, and got ‘traction’ in the courts, the American people would revolt against any such finding and would feel like their will at the ballot box was usurped by a gimmick. The result would be counterproductive. Therefore, I too was (initially) angry at Farah over pushing this issue so hard. And I totally agree with you about how this issue shouldn’t hijack the Tea Party movement and you make good points there as well–including your posts from earlier this past week where you blast Farah for taking the focus off of other things at the Tea Party Convention.

But you are dead wrong in comparing ‘birthers’ to ‘truthers’. There is no comparison. The ‘truther’ movement is built on a couple of obscure and strange things that don’t seem to fit–and then massive amounts of (false) evidence are ‘force fit’ into that vision… even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary (much like ‘cults’). In contrast, the ‘birther’ movement has a great deal of corroborating facts and evidence, with very little evidence to the contrary–and everything you’ve presented as evidence that the ‘birther’ position has been settled in Obama’s favor is not particularly impressive or substantive, imo. –certainly not anything nearly as impressive as the many indisputable facts that are supportive of birther’s positions.

Having said that, the birther issue does kind of remind me of the Clinton and Lewinsky scandal. I was really upset at that time because I felt like this was taking away from highlighting issues like Clinton’s selling out technology and secrets to the Chinese (and/or lack of protecting them), his softness on terror, and his illegal Chinese campaign contributions. Democrats actually capitalized on this by making the campaign all about “sex” and intrusion into politician’s private lives–taking the ball off the real issues at hand. (even though that was bad analysis, they were able to successfully spin it that way) Likewise, I agree that you make good points about not allowing the ‘birthers’ to distract from other important goals–and you are correct that this could backfire even if the birthers are proven correct, especially if we all focus too much on that.

But your more recent draconian policies where you throw birthers overboard reminds me of how Neal Boortz won’t discuss abortion–which seems more out of ignorance and hate than out of well-thought-out confidence. In fact, this also remind me about how many Republicans get all defensive and embarrassed when confronted with Evolution… or Global Warming… OK, sure, arguing against Global Warming is suddenly “cool” (pun intended). But only so many MONTHS ago, many Republicans and Conservatives were too embarrassed to even admit that they didn’t believe Global Warming was a scientifically established fact. With all that has happened in the news (& weather) lately… look how dumb those guys look now! Better yet, I know Christian Conservatives who claim to be bible believers who are too embarrassed to defend creationism in public because they’ve been convinced that only idiots believe in Creationism and they try to argue that, somehow, “God did it through evolution” (talking about “goo to you” evolution here). A common thread is that they, like Mike Huckabee (btw–and how ironic given that Huckabee is a preacher), never really took the time to understand the leading creationist’s actual arguments and positions. This was a position of ignorance, not of strength.

Likewise, don’t be surprised if, in the long run, history puts you on the wrong side of the birther issue and if you pay a price for that… one that could have been avoided had you simply stayed more ‘neutral’ on the subject.

I also think that a larger issue that should be exploited in the 2012 elections it that, regardless of where Obama was born… or the nationality of his parents… is the fact that he is NOT really an American in the sense that he spent much of his childhood OUTSIDE the US in Islamic schools [likely one which are typically not known for teaching the values of capitalism and freedom and democracy]. In fact, here is question: What do George Soros, the guy who runs Daily Kos, Arianna Huffington, and Obama have in common? NONE of them were educated very much (if at all!) in US Schools in their childhood/youth. So when we were all learning about George Washington and the cherry tree, the three branches of gov’t w/”checks & balances”, Patrick Henry’s ‘give me liberty of give me death’, etc. They were taught to hate America. Heck, they probably never watched Gilligan’s Island, or the Brady Bunch, or Star Trek (tos) in their youth–catch my drift. (not that TV shows matter–but this is a great way to show ‘regular’ Americans how out-of-touch with American Obama is). And yet these four people were a large part of what got Obama elected.

And you’ve made that same point yourself in some excellent posts–that Obama doesn’t connect with Americans because he doesn’t have American values, I’d argue that even if he ends up passing the Natural Born Citizen test, for all practical purposes, he breaks the “spirit” of that Constitutional requirement based on his hate of capitalism and his upbringing. For all practical purposes, he is NOT a product of US culture and US values. Therefore, even if he is a Natural Born Citizen, he has ALL the baggage that the founding fathers feared would come from a NON-Natural Born Citizen. So their fears that motivated them to write in that requirement have essentially been *realized* in the person of Obama. And isn’t that the larger point! (btw – even if I were drugged out of my mind and sleep deprived, I’d STILL be able to correctly refer to all “50 states”. Only someone educated and raised *outside* the US could possibly EVER get that question wrong.)

Those are the larger issues you ought to use to build a bridge with birthers–and then feel free to say, “but don’t discuss the Natural Born Citizen issue at redstate because we think that wnd.com is giving this all the coverage it deserves, and then some”. Period. That is all you have to say,.

But burning bridges that didn’t need to be burned, and putting your own credibility at risk by advocating a position which might easily be proved dead wrong at any point in time, throwing a lot of good people overboard, and YES.. you *yourself* blowing this out of proportion (in spite of trying to do the opposite) …this was all a very unwise move on your part.

I hope you learn from this and react wisely…
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I’ll now add that the (1) actual merits of this case have NOT been settled in court. Period. No court case has even reached the ‘discovery phase’–all cases have ended on strange technicalities. For Erick to suggest otherwise is disingenuous. (2) The Republican Hawaiian Governor’s statements haven’t settled anything–and there are conflicting interpretations thereof. (3) Obama is on record crediting his birth at two different Hawaiian hospitals–that is beyond dispute and that has never been resolved. (4) Bush, Clinton, Reagan, & Carter ALL have solid histories and paper trails showing that they clearly grew up in America and were born to American families living in America, with solid American roots. Obama does not have those things–so these questions are not so easily answered in Obama’s case. Sorry Erick, but you are comparing apples to oranges.

So in that one small paragraph above, I’ve pretty much obliterated every single factual statement Erick used to discredit the birther’s actual positions across his last few posts. And that was all too easy. I don’t really want to debate this issue because, frankly, I do NOT follow it that closely. But if Erick doesn’t want it debated here, he ought not to throw out such easily disprovable points.

IOW, don’t say, “lets not debate this here”… and then debate this here …with cheap shots which use extremely faulty points.

I’d have respected “let not debate this here”… and then LEAVING IT AT THAT.

But this turn of events, and the methods and statements employed here… all makes me ill. This unnecessarily divides conservatives at a time when we were all just getting united for all the right causes.

What a waste and what a shame.

Will someone please explain to me why there is such fervent opposition to the discussion of any topic regarding Barack Obama’s Certificate of Birth? Perhaps we would simply like to know who the attending physician was at his birth or in which hospital he was born. How does that portend conspiracy? Moreover, why would he pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees as well as allow the judicial system to be inundated with endless litigation on the subject when all he would have to do is produce a copy of the document? Why can’t the public just see it? Is that too much to ask? Why can’t we see his transcripts from Occidental College, Columbia, or Harvard? Why is everyone so protective of this man’s privacy?

Most of the bickering going on is nothing but pure ego and paranoia. Now, if birthers are banned lets stop responding.

Are my eyes deceiving me or was the damning claim that at some point you were in the same BUILDING as a judge she doesn’t like?

Actually now the article says you practiced in the same DISTRICT. Oh the horror!

If you could stop laughing long enough maybe you could just declare you’re guilty…. along with hundreds of attorneys, dozens of judges, scores of bailiffs and court reporters, etc.

And if you could make it to the end of that bunch of babble you’d learn that Redstate is actually a porno site.

[Please note: White we have linked to Redstate.com in our article, we caution our readers that that site has syndicated ads with nudity. As The Post & Email is a child-friendly site, which as a policy permits no such images, we issue this disclaimer, as the link to Redstate.com is necessary for this report.]

I’m going to have to check out the ads here more closely. I’d never noticed that before.

seeing as how I took a few seconds to write a couple of lines about the whole issue, and they decided not to allow it to post. Funny, considering that there are 24 other comments, all in support of Charlton.

Wonder when they started hating the First Amendment? /snark

A lot of meaningless and irrelevant blogs are built on the foundation of going out and constantly highlighting the wackiest statements of the nuttiest people who happen to be espousing a view which is in opposition to the blog owner. Big deal. Fighting nutty Straw Men is an easy task. (Yawn) –but one which doesn’t necessarily add meaningful points or information to the actual debate of the issue at hand. So, in the end, this is really a distraction and a “red herring” and a meaningless shot at a straw man.

Great blogs, like Red State, are build on more substance than this. (So I’m hoping posts like this one are NOT a new trend!)

(…and, ironically, I’ve always considered myself Erick’s biggest fan… and still do. Think of me like that samurai guy fighting the Emperor in “The Last Samurai”… who was also, ironically, the Emporer’s biggest fan.)

Liberal blogs made the point that Republican Congressman Larry Craig’s gay sex scandal + his support of the Federal Marriage Amendment = Federal Marriage Amendment was therefore bad or immoral law.

However, clearer heads understand that one individual’s failings or stupidity didn’t make wrong some position that person advocated. Sure, it was ‘fair game’ for liberal blogs to make fun of Craig’s *personal* hypocrisy… but they went beyond that. They hig- fived each when they THOUGHT this was some kind of major policy point which should have shifted the debate against the Marriage Amendment. But, as you know, the actual merits of the Marriage Amendment were fully left intact, despite Craig’s *personal* failings.

Obviously, there is actually MUCH more correlation between Craig’s actions and his support of the marriage amendment — than a birther’s cheap and libelous personal attack on Erick and that person’s positions on Obama’s status as Natural Born Citizen. (But I don’t recall any credible conservatives allowing that to be used as a valid arguement against the marriage amendment? And rightly so!)

I EXPECT such tit-for-tat juvenile logic from Daily Kos. But not from Red State.

I had always considered berthers a useful distraction for the left, as they are a waste of time and resources. Why would one bother so much on the subject?

If I wonder about whether Obummer is a natural born citizen, would that make me fall into the birfer category, or is my wonder legitimate?

Well, two suggestions, actually.

1. Go do your work and find evidence to support your position that Obama is not a natural born citizen. This may be done through actual labor and intelligent inquiry, requiring little noise and furor. Then report back to us with said evidence, and we will be extremely attentive.

2. Until said evidence is ready to be presented, stop raving and baying at the moon (just to clarify, evidence does not include not-being-able-to-get-any-evidence; the latter is Area 51/alien autopsy crapola, nothing more). Your irrational screaming makes it very difficult for rational people who have legitimate questions about all aspects of Obama’s secrecy.

Thank you.

If not and they are bound and determined to see a court case why not wait until AFTER THIS TERM IS OVER.Then you could try Obama in Federal court and if it is found he is not a citizen,then there is another whole host of problems!!!Like TREASON for one.But as the title says,WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE BIDEN RUNNING THE COUNTRY? Get serious ,he is an IDIOT.That would be worse than the situation we are in now!

You may find it hilarious that Americans are asking the question, is the man in our White House qualified for the job under the US Constitution?

Frankly I don’t give a spit what Charlton said, or whatzit said, or whozit said. I will continue to ask that question. AND at minimum Orly Taitz is attempting to ask that question using her law degree to do it, which YOU obviously ARE NOT! And I will continue to cheer on her efforts or anybody elses that continues to try to get that question answered.

I might remind you that lawsuits WERE initiated BEFORE the man was sworn in, SEVERAL OF THEM! And we were flim flammed with some BS about citizens not having ‘standing.’

And ALSO frankly, neither you NOR anybody else on the planet knows where Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama was born, possibly not even himself because he can’t seem to prove it up satisfactorily to the Hawaiian DHS to have it entered into their records since his COLB is still reflected under the ‘filed’ and not ‘accepted’ category! AND his attempts to amend it haven’t satisfied them either!

Soooooo, Eric, get off your high horse! It isn’t appreciated. You can call me a ‘Birther’, ‘Berfer’, conspiracy theorist, numb nut, nut job, or whatever misnomer you would like to hide yourself behind. But THIS CHICK wants the question answered NOW!

Very funny

BIRTHERS ARE NUT CASES
Birthers pick out little things in newspapers and web sites and run with it….i.e., dicta!

“During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?”
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

..these are only words. His school records prove he is a Natural American eligible to be president and he was a U.S. Senator. So what if he has used different names like Barry Soetoro and Steve Dunham. Don’t we all use different names like on this blog. If it was not a c-section it was natural. Right?
This is like the nut cases that still believe in global warming and now that they are exposed they still believe the polar bears will fall off the iceberg and die! Like a bad tune in your head that won’t go away.
Case Closed!