A Money Losing Business Comes Out For Government Subsidy


It should be no surprise that an organization like the New York Times, which is a consistent money loser these day, is in favor of a government take over of the student loan industry. A group of people who have shown no ability to run a successful business tend to hate success. But their reasons for doing so are not just nonsense, but total distortions of reality.

The Times writes, “The direct loans would not be handled by the government, but through colleges and universities, just as Pell grants are now.” That’s nonsense. If a student who has student loans financed via, say, Chase as I do and does not like Chase’s service, the student can go to Wells Fargo. In all cases the colleges and universities handle most of the dealings, but it is the backside of the equation the Times chooses to ignore.

The Times continues, “Some lenders say the new system would lead to more student defaults, but contracts between the government and loan-servicing companies clearly state that the companies will be evaluated partly on how successful they are at preventing defaults.” Actually, there are greater defaults under the federal direct loan program than the private loan program. In fact, I was advised at a former job to just stop paying my direct loan because nothing would happen, unlike with my privately handled loans. I still kept up my payments, but I worked with a number of people who didn’t.

I’ve also heard from friends in the credit reporting industry that credit companies routinely ignore unpaid federal direct student loans because of how the U.S. Department of Education treats students in default, i.e. they do nothing.

The Times concludes with “By redirecting the savings into a variety of federal programs aimed at needy students — including the Pell grant scholarship program — Congress would be putting the money to good use.”

Really? The Times does not define “needy” students. What about middle class students whose parents can’t afford the costs of the loan? And what about the escalating costs of college attendance? As we’ve noted before, the Democrats’ plan also calls for total debt forgiveness after 20 years and after ten years if the student goes to work for the government.

Schools would have no incentive to decrease academic costs because no matter how much a student paid — and their repayment could be no more than 10% of their income — the loan will be forgiven.

The Democrats’ plan makes no economic or financial sense. The New York Times is forced to grossly distort everything about it to make it sound the slightest bit reasonable.


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Has anyone reviewed how much this might damage the deficit?

kyoufuu (Diary) Monday, February 8th at 2:21PM EST (link)

Using myself as an example (which is an extreme, I’ll admit)…

Through college and grad school I amassed about 73,000 in federal student loans. On my current payment schedule, where I pay more than the minimum that was required, forgiving my loans after 20 years would mean writing off around $37,000!

The dems have also proposed capping payments at 10% of salary. When you consider that I pay more than 10% of my salary towards my student loans, that number to be written off only gets worse. How many students will have their loans forgiven at the same time?

I just can’t understand how this plan makes any sense! Is there anyone who can explain it?

“There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” — James Madison

“I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”

Sure, kyoufuu, it makes perfect sense: it makes

Achance (Diary) Monday, February 8th at 2:35PM EST (link)

pretty much everyone college aged and everyone with student loans want to vote Democrat, and that’s what it’s for.

In Vino Veritas

I'd only believe that if most college students didn't already vote democratic... (nt)

kyoufuu (Diary) Monday, February 8th at 2:43PM EST (link)

“There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” — James Madison

“I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”

But they tend to become disaffected very quickly

Achance (Diary) Monday, February 8th at 2:50PM EST (link)

when they are eating Top Ramen and have bedsheets for curtains five years or more after leaving school because their loan payments are eating their salary.

In Vino Veritas

A better way to buy their votes would be to uncap the allowable deduction on interest paid on student loans. That or offer them free beer.

kyoufuu (Diary) Monday, February 8th at 3:21PM EST (link)

The gains in this plan just seem too long term.Except for the part where their payment is no more than 10% of their salary.

Unfortunately I went to school with too many people who racked up $50,000 in student loans only to get goofy degrees and jobs that could be had without a college degree, or no job at all.

In my opinion there should be some people should try to pursue a trade rather than go to college. But that’s another matter entirely.

“There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” — James Madison

“I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”

This demographic has already proven itself stupid

Achance (Diary) Monday, February 8th at 3:24PM EST (link)

enough to buy Comrade Obama hook, line, and sinker, so things aimed at them don’t have to make sense, just sound good on the surface.

In Vino Veritas

I'm not so far removed that demographic, and yet couldn't agree more.

kyoufuu (Diary) Monday, February 8th at 3:39PM EST (link)

A bit of a tangent here. My wife and I have a few friends of college age due to the time we spend coaching youth softball. We’ll keep in contact with some kids after they graduate. On election day 2008 my wife received a text message from one of them that said something like, “Plz dont vote 4 mccain & palin. My roomate says she is the devil.”

My wife responded, “Please don’t vote for the man who is going to end up raising my taxes.” Heheh. Later on the friend apologized for her Obamabot ways, and in the year since, that HopenChange glimmer has faded from her eyes. So much so that she can’t seem to bring herself to talk about him any more. Ah, the joys of being on the right side of things.

But you’re right on the matter, Art. All these kids get in this age of newsbites are the talking points (“10% of salary”, “forgiveness after 20 years”) that they don’t stop and think about what’s being proposed to them.

“There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.” — James Madison

“I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”

 
 
 
 
 
 

10 years forgiveness if you work in Obama's army or a union

Common_Cents (Diary) Monday, February 8th at 3:06PM EST (link)

How convenient.

Courtesy of all taxpayers, benefiting the campaigner in chief.

Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from, behind, the Back Nine.
Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.

 

You forgot something

wayneepalmer Tuesday, February 9th at 1:51PM EST (link)

That’s 10 % … IF YOU WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT.

It’s 20% if you do NOT work for the government.

True peace between two enemies has only ever been acheived when one side has utterly defeated the other…if you doubt this truth visit Nagasaki sometime.

 
 

a few items to consider

warweaver Monday, February 8th at 3:06PM EST (link)

First: forgiveness programs already exist within the federal loan system for public employees. The maximum repayment period of 20 years is a non-starter, so don’t worry about it. But neither of the above are core to the proposal.

Second: congress has already passed a law, which was signed by George Bush, that caps repayments at 15% of disposable income for federally backed loans.

Third: the feds already back up all of the loans, which means the financing companies basically pocket the spread between the 10 yr. note and the stated rate (6.8% for new federal loans).

Fourth: the feds eat the losses on principal in the case of default whilst the financing companies get fees plus ‘the rake’: a sweet deal. These loans are enormous profit centers for companies like Chase, Bank of America, and Citigroup. Sorry, but I’m not going to cry about the government pulling the rug out from those people.

Fifth: anyone who opposes the core thrust of the proposed legislation is unwittingly advocating for a continued system whereby losses are socialized and gains are privatized. It doesn’t matter that you dont see it that way, all that matters is that THAT IS HOW IT ACTUALLY IS.

Conclusion: do your homework, use your brain, and understand that lenders are getting an absolute free ride off YOUR TAX DOLLARS. The money is being spent anyway, it is cheaper for the tax payers if the feds administer the money directly, instead of using unnecessary middlemen whose only effect is to drive up costs both to students and to tax payers.

If you want to advocate for getting RID of federal student loan programs, that’s one thing, but to oppose cutting out a blood sucking middleman simply because you have a vague sense that government is bad and private enterprise is good, then you are really barking up the wrong tree on this one.

Back in the 70s

edintexas Tuesday, February 9th at 10:15AM EST (link)

When the Feds ran the entire Student Loan Program, I knew several people who worked trying to recover money from defaulted loans. These were Federal Employees, with absolutely no experience in loan payments. The Department of Education was far more concerned with ensuring that “diversity” and “Handicapped” programs were enforced than that money was recovered. So in Dallas they had a blind person employed in recovering loans in default. Now it was true the person could make the calls, they just had to have another employee to read the paper records and computer screen to the blind employee. A great use of the taxpayer’s money. And the recovery rate was a joke, which is probably why the original story noted being advised to simply ignore repayment of Federal loans. If the feds take over the whole thing, every loan would again fall into the “don’t bother to repay” category. Note that the private loans have a much better default rate than the Federal loans – there’s a reason for that, which will disappear when the Feds once again are the lender.

 
 

Universities Should Make Student Loans

revivefederalism (Diary) Monday, February 8th at 5:13PM EST (link)

They should make student loans and own the default risk. They have the best ability to monitor the potential for the borrowers to repay. Additionally, through the curriculum they offer, they are in the best position to ensure that they are loaning money that actually goes towards the economic enhancement of human capital.

These federal subsidies and bureaucrats are simply not needed. All of this extra dumb money chasing student lending has pushed up costs and enticed people to attend college who don’t belong there. Universities are full of non-academic departments for students of limited ability who really just want a multi-year hedonist experience. Cut the federal subsidies and force universities to take responsibility for the long-term consequences of their academic standards and their socialist bent for economically useless fields of study.

5555 nt

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, February 8th at 5:27PM EST (link)

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

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Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 

Well said!

paint_it_red (Diary) Tuesday, February 9th at 8:46AM EST (link)

You hit the nail on the head

“It is not good to cultivate a respect so much for the law as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think is right.” Henry David Thoreau

“The means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek.” Martin Luther King Jr.

“If you want peace, work for Justice.” Pope John Paul II

 
 

Tiger Woods to seek Dem Nomination in 2016?

Next93 (Diary) Tuesday, February 9th at 8:31AM EST (link)

It seems to me that this is just more proof that Tiger Woods would be the ideal Dem nominee in 2016:

1) He spends about as much time playing golf as the incumbent
2) He has as much economic knowledge as the incumbent (maybe more – he’s managed an endorsement empire for years)
3) He has not one, but TWO minority parents, making him twice as qualified as the incumbent
4) He has the sexual morals of the previous Dem president (though he seems to have at least limited himself to willing partners who weren’t working for him and weren’t young enough to be his daughter)
5) He has the driving skills of Ted Kennedy, but proved it in a situation that didn’t kill one of his lovers.

Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.

 

Problem with bleeding heart programs

paint_it_red (Diary) Tuesday, February 9th at 8:50AM EST (link)

Is that the ones being bled are the middle class. What indeed is the definition of “needy”? My guess is there’s a rather too steep phase out so that those working hard in the middle class get little to no benefit at all, providing yet another disincentive for people to work hard to get ahead.

Add enough of these entitlements up and you get government dependency, you get a disincentive for people to make something of themselves, you stifle small businesses and job creation, you unjustly redistribute wealth, you increase the deficit & debt, and you hurt the economy as a whole.

This destroys opportunity. All so the bleeding hearts can feel morally accomplished, while self-righteously dismissing anyone who dares disagree with their stupid plans.

“It is not good to cultivate a respect so much for the law as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think is right.” Henry David Thoreau

“The means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek.” Martin Luther King Jr.

“If you want peace, work for Justice.” Pope John Paul II