Editorial Note: Just to be clear, this is my personal view. At RedState, we would not support the Democrat. In fact, I would not write supportively of the Democrat at all even were Ox the nominee. RedState’s position is and has always been to support the conservative in the primary and the Republican in the general. That’s not changing. But by God I hope people realize just how awful Oxendine is and deny him the GOP nomination in favor of someone who will not be an embarrassment. — Erick
I’ll tell you bluntly, I will vote for former Georgia Governor and potential Democratic nominee Roy Barnes over Republican John Oxendine, Georgia’s Insurance Commissioner now running for Governor. At least with Roy Barnes we’d get no worse than Sonny Perdue and would know honestly what we are getting.
John Oxendine is Georgia’s Rod Blagojevich, complete with bad hair. If the Georgia GOP were to nominate him, the party would be committing suicide.
What I would much prefer is one of the candidates who has always been a Republican. In fact, here at RedState, we have endorsed Georgia’s former Secretary of State, Karen Handel. Nonetheless, I would love to actually see Georgia get a Republican Governor — not just a guy with an “R” next to his name, but a small government, fiscal conservative, who will not wind up embarrassing us through scandal and, more likely than not, impeachment.
I specifically do not want a politically malleable charlatan who will say or do anything to get elected. And that is precisely what I see in Oxendine — a man who woos some with tales of Jesus and others with whatever sort of pandering he can.
Let’s roll the tape.
According to the Atlanta Journal and Constitution, reporting on November 10, 1994, as far back as 1987 John Oxendine wanted to be Governor.
In 1987, state Democratic politico James Oxendine had this to say about his son John, then a 25-year-old graduate of the Mercer University law school: “He has already told me he wants to be governor, and I believe he can do it.”
In 1994, John Oxendine jumped from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party and challenged then Insurance Commissioner Tim Ryles. Oddly enough, Oxendine attacked Ryles on his ethical conduct in office with some accusations that suggest the Ox learned from what Ryles did in office.
On October 23, 1994, the AJC ran a story about the charges flying in the Insurance Commissioner’s race:
Oxendine calls Ryles a lawbreaker who has had difficulties with the State Ethics Commission. He cites last month’s commission ruling that Ryles violated ethics laws on three occasions by accepting prohibited campaign contributions totaling $ 2,500 in 1993 from businesses regulated by his office. Ryles returned the money but denied any wrongdoing.
Of note, Ryles called Oxendine a “Bill Clinton Republican.” Why? Well, Tom Baxter, reporting for the AJC back on August 16, 1994, noted, “Oxendine, a recent Republican convert, was a convention delegate for both Michael Dukakis and Clinton.”
Just over a month later, Oxendine finally denied that he had been a delegate for Bill Clinton, blaming his wife instead. But wait. Guess who his wife was. From the September 30, 1994, AJC, Section C, Page 7:
In a news release issued Thursday, Ryles said Oxendine, in 1992, “was a Bill Clinton presidential delegate.”
Oxendine’s wife, Lee, who served as the state Democratic Party’s lawyer at the time, was a delegate, and Oxendine said he journeyed to New York with her. But he wasn’t a delegate, state party spokesman Bill Florence said. “I didn’t even have a floor pass,” Oxendine said.
Challenged on the assertion, Ryles campaign manager Brent Layton was undeterred. “I heard it from numerous people,” Layton said.
Oxendine was a Democrat until last year, but said he has never voted for a Democrat for president.
Personally, I have a real hard time believing that a man who grew up surrounded by Democrats and who married the Democrats’ lawyer and who was a delegate for Michael Dukakis and went to the New York convention for Bill Clinton (though a over a month after the AJC reported he was a delegate he finally denied it) had never voted for a Democrat for President — especially in 1992 when even the Democrats thought Bill Clinton was a conservative and in fact many thought he was more conservative than George H. W. Bush.
Personally, I think Oxendine lied.
Consider this from that November 10, 1994, AJC article:
Oxendine comes from a long line of Democrats. Former Gov. Joe Frank Harris appointed his father in 1986 to chair the state Workers’ Compensation Board, a position the elder Oxendine held until 1992, when Gov. Zell Miller appointed him as a Superior Court judge in Gwinnett County.
The new commissioner himself worked on Harris’ campaign and, as a college student, interned for former Gov. George Busbee. His wife, Lee, served as general counsel of the Georgia Democratic Party until last year.
Oxendine said the election of Bill Clinton in 1992 was his impetus to switch parties.
“The national Democratic Party has always been liberal, but I had always taken refuge in the fact that Georgia’s Democrats were more conservative,” Oxendine said. “But then I saw the support given to Clinton by the Democratic leadership in Georgia, and it showed me that the party here was no longer conservative.”
So Oxendine went to the 1992 convention and his wife stayed on as counsel until 1993 and he conveniently blames Clinton’s election on his switch — not Clinton’s post election policies, but his election.
Baloney.
Fast forward now to 1997. Oxendine ran his 1994 election attacking Ryles for “violat[ing] ethics laws on three occasions by accepting prohibited campaign contributions totaling $ 2,500 in 1993 from businesses regulated by his office. Ryles returned the money but denied any wrongdoing.”
Three years into his office, on November 8, 1997, the August Chronicle reported
Georgia Insurance Commissioner John Oxendine saved himself and University Hospital chieftain Don Bray a lot of embarrassment — and perhaps an ethics suit — by doing a fast turnaround last Wednesday.
Printed invitations were sent from a ”host committee” (including Bray) asking for $ 100 for an audience with Oxendine at a lavish Nov. 6 party in the home of businessman Tim Shelnut.
What the other hosts didn’t know is that, on Oxendine’s desk, is a bid from University to purchase a health maintenance organization the state insurance agency has been supervising.
John Oxendine will say or do anything to get elected. His principles and ethics are malleable and blow with the wind. The only thing Oxendine cares about is his political ambition. For all the people who washed their hands of scandal plagued Georgia House Speaker Glenn Richardson, but have Oxendine stickers on their cars, get ready to engage in full Lady MacBeth syndrome should the Ox get elected. It won’t be women bringing down Ox, but it will be scandal. And with it would fall the Georgia Republican Party.
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Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:48AM EST (link)Given your conditional intent to support the Republican nominee, you should probably leave the choosing of that nominee to those with firmer intent to support the winner of the primary.
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Heck no
Erick Erickson (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:51AM EST (link)I will totally support the winner, unless it is Ox. I therefore have a vested interest in choosing the nominee of the party to save the party. Ox would be the death of the GOP.
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rocketeer (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:49AM EST (link)So, it is OK to say NO to a Republican candidate in GA because of his history. But it is verboten to shirk from Mark Kirk of IL, who has a similar laundry list.
Asking a question, is it easier to get a “good R” to replace a sitting D senator or a sitting R senator?
And if you’re worried about 51-49, do we need more Snowes?
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Erick Erickson (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:53AM EST (link)Were the Georgia GOP suicidal enough to nominate Ox, I’d keep my mouth shut on RedState.
The site position is to support the Republican.
I raise the flag now, during the primary, in hopes that people will vote against Ox. All is fair in the primary.
The Republicans in Illinois did choose Kirk as their nominee, so this site will support him. I brought up Pat Hughes twice. No one bit.
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I think there is another difference...
Mike (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:02AM EST (link)…between Illinois and Georgia: The latter isn’t known worldwide for its corruption and hardcore leftism. Say what you will about Kirk, the guy is a full 45 ACU points better than the last elected occupant of that seat; and, to my knowledge, has not been directly connected to Rezko and the mob.
The choice in Illinois is between outright, thinly veiled corruption and squishy conservatism. It ain’t pretty, but that’s the choice. And not choosing IS a choice, so don’t start
Georgia, on the other hand, should know better. I can’t speak for Erick, but I expect more from Georgia than I do from Illinois.
Speaking of Illinois:
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout “Save us!”… and I’ll whisper “no.”
That’s pretty much what I think of Chicago.
Cut the passive aggression
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:56AM EST (link)I’m just going to point and laugh at you now for your “Just saying.”
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In The Hook (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:56AM EST (link)About getting the most conservative candidate possible elected. No matter how hard we try, we’re never getting a DeMint elected in the Land of Lincoln. The electorate is simply not going to vote for a candidate like that. But Kirk, with all his faults and yes he has many… I went to school in IL-10 so I know all about him… still voted against the stimulus and against Obamacare. He’s far more conservative and less of a slimeball than Giannoulias. Besides, the primary voters picked Kirk and so we should support him. Not embrace him, but support him.
As for Ox, I’m pretty sure that Erick’s point here is not simply that he isn’t conservative but that his election would do more harm than good for the GOP and the state because he’s a dirtbag who will inevitably shame the party and the office with some kind of scandal. Better that a centrist Democrat be governor than a “centrist” Republican be in that office and bring a huge bucket of slime to the party to coat both the governor’s mansion and the entire state GOP apparatus.
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Amen
Erick Erickson (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:57AM EST (link)Your last paragraph sums it up nicely.
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Don't know much about Ox myself..
In The Hook (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:59AM EST (link)..and I’m no fan of the “you have to lose in order to win” strategy because that’s the strategy of the Democrat circular firing squad, but there is a difference between that strategy and taking one electoral loss to prevent an even worse future for the party.
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I get what you are saying, Eric
yoyo (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:50PM EST (link)And agree with Matt…I dont know much about Ox. However…
The last thing that GA needs is a GOP Scandal [think: SC and Sanford] because it reflects poorly upon the State, the State GOP, the Regional GOP, and the National GOP.
Think back to early last year: We [the GOP] were a “regional party” that would never be anything more than “in the South.” If there is another “high profile GOP scandal” in the South (where we are supposed to be the stronghold) it only goes to weaken the party as a whole. Why not nip it now, here, where we can be proactive, rather later, as a seated Governor, and we are stuck in reactive-I-told-you-so mode.
I get what you are saying, Erick. Duke Cunningham is a Republican, too. Not sure I could vote for or support him, regardless of what constituency voted him into the General Election.
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So far, Redstaters are Tribesman, Cheerleaders
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:56PM EST (link)Kids (who grew up on talk radio and Fox). If we aren’t careful, we might be accused of being Conservative/Republican activists.
You do realize
jfindl2 (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:59AM EST (link)if Barnes wins it nullifies Republican control over the redistricting process in GA? Democrats would not be in control but they would be able to veto Republican plans. Georgia is expected to gain an additional House seat in many projections so being able to draw the district lines in the Republican party’s favor is a big deal.
I also thought that Redstate advocated supporting conservatives but ultimately voting Republican when the general election rolls around. The NY-23 situation was obviously an exception to the rule b/c there was no primary and Dede was more liberal than any Republican in Congress.
Also, based on the information presented, it doesn’t seem like Ox would totally destroy the GA Republican Party. Sure, it would be preferable to have Handel or another person running the show, but it doesn’t seem like he anywhere near the level of Blago-like corruption. Ox sounds like a slimy politician, I just wonder if that is enough of a reason to justify putting a Democrat into office.
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Erick Erickson is speaking for himself here
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:01AM EST (link)Not the whole site.
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I think the confusion...
hoosierteacher (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:25AM EST (link)…for some members is that this is Erik’s opinion, not RedState’s, but the story is on the front page. I always thought editors put anything personal in the diary section.
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Nope
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If neither of the above is true, then the author is speaking for himself.
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Thanks Neil!
hoosierteacher (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:40PM EST (link)Hopefuly that clears it up for folks.
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As I said in the comment above
Erick Erickson (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:02AM EST (link)RedState would support Ox. I would keep my mouth shut.
And yes, I do realize Barnes would have a hand in redistricting with a Republican controlled legislature.
Ox is our Blago. His corruption is only just starting to be reported.
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Okey dokey
jfindl2 (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:07AM EST (link)Sorry, I typed my message before I could see any of the other comments.
I’m a little retread, short and stout. I have no life, I reregister and pout.
Well Erick, this would be the perfect time to write in the name
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:01AM EST (link)of who you want for Governor(or any office). The lazy way is to vote for the Democrat and that can be a frighting thought. Here in Texas, that would mean Farouk Shami(I’m sure he’ll win the Democratic Nomination). That’s not good at all. The Principles of things say to write it in if the worst person wins the nomination.
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Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
Why would you think Shami would beat White?
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Yeah, because Shami has had ads for longer than Bill White
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:38AM EST (link)Besides, they haven’t had their first Debate(It’s going to happen on Feb 8). Bill White flipped on progressive issues by the time he left office(not good with base of Democratic voters in Texas[The more progressive the better]). Neither are a household name here but the History has shown that as of late, the Democratic Party of Texas nominates the more progressive. Self funders don’t work well. Farouk does have the bringing jobs aspect that Bill really doesn’t. That work with the base too. I’m sure that Farouk could use Bill White bad money management as a weapon(sure, some would say that was the Current mayor Annise Parker’s problem but really he should known too). The Dems would have to go to the middle again like in 2002 to get any good shot(Tony Sanchez did have close one) or have a 4 person race(with 2 Dems and 2 Republicans) again. I know the Fourth estate of Texas’ candidate(Bill White) will lose. I’m sure of things here.
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I don't see how a symbolic vote is principled
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:13AM EST (link)The way I see it, the only actual principled steps can be to abstain entirely, or to vote for somebody who’s a candidate and has a chance to win.
Write-ins of people who aren’t credible candidates (or even candidates at all, in the case you’re talking about) are just ego stroking.
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Not non-candidates the more conservative
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:50AM EST (link)I’m sure that’s the best way too stick it. I’m happy my choices for Governor on the Republican side here in Texas, come down to the Pragmatist, the Finger in the Wind and the Ronulan. That makes my decision that much easier. I admit that vote party all time, but I will step in the Write-In if comes down to things.
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Well
SE-779 (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:19AM EST (link)I figured at some point this post was coming. You’re previous posts on the matter of GA-GOV just gave it all away. Meanwhile, I actually think of Ox as the real deal for Conservatives and should be seriously considered by the Conservative Movement as a man with a proven track record of following through with his promises and one who has shown very Conservative Leadership over the GA Insurance Department. And the Blagojevich comparison is simply beyond the pale IMO.
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reallyfive Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:36AM EST (link)Just went to your 2010garacetracker website–couldn’t find a quick contact link, so posting here . . .
I emailed Deborah Honeycutt’s campaign website and asked if she intendeds to run in 2010. Aaron Honeycutt (husband?) emailed me back and said that Deborah does intend to run. She is not listed as a candidate under your Ga-13 link–perhaps because she hasn’t filed yet. But, wanted to let you know as of a week ago she said she intends to run.
Thanx 4 teh notification. nt
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I Get It, and so does Eric... Johnson that is.
The Anti-Federalist (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:36AM EST (link)Thanks for the history on Ox Erik. I’m new to Redstate and appreciate your insight into Ox’s political history more than you know… and so there is no misunderstanding, I know that you get it too Erik.
I also am no fan of Oxendine and feel that the best guy to give him a beat down is GA State Senator Eric Johnson. I know him to be a standup guy who doesn’t waiver on values regardless of the audience. and a rock-solid Conservative from my hometown of Savannah, GA.
I hope that others will consider throwing their weight behind Eric as well, he’s moving up quickly with raising money, challenging Oxendine’s 1 million dollar mark with his own 1.3 million dollar fundraising amount. And did I mention that he isn’t using the clout of his office like Ox in order to do it? Eric is ALL IN on this, as he has resigned and bet his political career as a GA legislator on wining this election. We should ALL unify behind Johnson, he’s our best shot at getting a true-red Conservative in the Governor’s mansion.
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Why Johnson and not Handel
Chong Thursday, February 4th at 3:13PM EST (link)I have been liking Handel since you announce of her run. I like her since she was willing to fight for voters rights during the 2008 election(my first election btw). At this moment, she got my vote unless you can convince me Johnson is better than her. What about Johnson makes him a true conservative and he will fight the federal government for Georgia’s right.
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Pretty sure we endorsed Handel in Atlanta (nt)
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Just A Little Reminder
crosley (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:40AM EST (link)I remember when RedState endorsed Democrat Begich against Republican Senator Ted Stevens because of corruption issues. Ted Stevens lost the race by an incredibly small margin. Most of these corruption issues turned out to be the result of a political hit job from the Justice Department.
I’m certainly no fan of Ted Stevens, but warts and all I’ll take a Ted Stevens over a Senator Begich that’s walked lockstep with Obama’s agenda. Whatever pork-barrel nonsense Ted Stevens got for his state has been dwarfed a hundred times over by Begich’s vote for Obama’s porkulus and health care scheme. Think how much of Obama’s agenda could have been thwarted with that additional vote in the Senate?
My point is, I’m cynical and think most politicians in general are snakes, whether they’re Republican or Democrat. I’d rather have a Republican snake than a Democrat one. There has to be some INCREDIBLE corruption issues for me to vote for a Democrat over a Republican.
Do you have a link to "RedState" endorsing Begich? (nt)
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I Do
crosley (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:51AM EST (link)http://www.redstate.com/the_directors/2008/10/27/redstate-endorses-mark-begich-democrat-for-s/
Try reading
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:55AM EST (link)Have you read the very first paragraph of your own link? Where the ‘endorsement’ was retracted in like 5-10 minutes as an error?
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crosley (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:04PM EST (link)First you challenge me that my assertion that RedState endorsed Begich was false, now you’re telling me that because it was later retracted that it never happened?
An error is an unintentional mistake. Clearly, this was a decision made by all the directors, so did every director make an error when they decided to write this editorial?
It was all over the blogosphere when it happened, even the link to the article has “redstate endorses mark begich democrat”
I’m glad it was later retracted, but it was still incredibly damaging. I still am a big fan of RedState and Erick, I just disagree with this particular line of reasoning.
It was almost immediately retracted crosley
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:07PM EST (link)As the post says, as your own link says, our directorate and editor communities include elements that are steadfastly opposed to endorsing pro-abort candidates. In fact it’s an express site policy.
The fact that the post was made endorsing a pro-abort candidate *was* an error and was immediately retracted when the error was spotted.
Are you really going to claim you know more about the ongoings of that post more than I do?
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Neil, Take A Deep Breath
crosley (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:26PM EST (link)What I don’t understand is your tone. I’m not some trouble making troll. I’m a conservative expressing my disagreement with this particular issue.
I’ve noticed this in a lot of your posts with people you don’t agree with, and it really strikes me as being immature. I can understand being a “jerky moderator” when someone starts posting on this site that just wants to make trouble, but when a conservative poster has an honest disagreement, why the hostility?
The point is, RedState DID endorse Democrat Mark Begich, and it looks like it was later retracted because there was quite a bit of feedback from conservatives that thought it was a mistake. I remember you were also one of the people that also took issue with the endorsement, I did also.
For you to get in an argument that “I can’t read” because I brought up that RedState endorsed Begich is silly. Instead of being insulting, how about instead saying, “While RedState did endorse Mark Begich, the directors later retracted that endorsement.” We don’t need the Orwellian revisionism of “It never happened.”
I think YOU are the problem.
hoosierteacher (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:48PM EST (link)RS didn’t make an endorsement and then quickly change their minds. An error was made, and it took only minutes to correct it. If you can’t understand the semantical difference, you aren’t arguing fairly.
And frankly, your entire tone in your last comment is nothing but speaking down to another commentor (and a director at that). I advise that YOU take a breath, and that YOU stop the immaturity. Your lack of civility in this matter is embarrassing.
Or don’t. The education you receive might be delicious for the rest of us.
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Just a reminder....
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:54PM EST (link)Starting a comment with “Just a reminder” sets the tone as accusatory, and in your case the accusation was against the entire site.
I will end this comment with another needling expression to ensure you understand….
Just Sayin’
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crosley (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 1:20PM EST (link)When I said, “just a reminder” I wanted to draw a historical parallel between a similar line of reasoning that ultimately was self-defeating. I wasn’t trying to get a dig in at RedState.
I certainly know I’ve made proclamations in the heat of things that I was glad I changed my mind.
I remember swearing up and down that I would vote for a 3rd party before I would vote for John McCain if he got the Republican nomination When I saw the stakes, I later recanted, and now my righteous indignation seems incredibly silly seeing Obama as President.
Apparently others shared my sentiment crosley...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 1:44PM EST (link)But obviously we are just to wrapped up in our righteous indignation to realize the profound wisdom found in you historical references.
Don’t be afraid to walk it back. After all, RedState wasn’t.
Again…Just sayin’
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Neil, crosley's right. RS (The Directors) did endorse Begich.
Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:57AM EST (link)Link here.
Bookmarked it. It turned out to be a very very very bad call.
No he's wrong
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:59AM EST (link)Read the first paragraph, the edit that was posted VERY SHORTLY after the original post came out.
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No. I read it as an outright - even if later soft(ened) - endorsement.
Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:14PM EST (link)It wasn’t retracted.
And it really doesn’t harm RS to acknowledge that it made a major misstep in that case – it was a conviction, after all. The blame is with the DoJ and it’s bad (Democrat) actors on that one.
It was retracted, Martin
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:19PM EST (link)RedState did not endorse Mark Begich. That post was made in error which is why it was not only edited but also removed from the Front Page.
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A'ight then ...
Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:28PM EST (link)Either way, it helped Begich’s campaign and very likely helped make the Democrats’ DoJ operatives campaign to take out Stevens a success.
Still a bad call … as it turned out later.
Martin, On Begich
Erick Erickson (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 1:34PM EST (link)Yes, we did soften the tone of the original post and walk it back. Based on the knowledge at the time, I think the post was well done and I stand by it. Had we known then what we know now, yeah it was a mistake to take the initial position.
But we did not know the DOJ was playing fast and loose with the facts and law. What we did know is that when the GOP was accurately labeled the party of corruption, the image needed to changed.
I grew up in the Edwards v. Duke race in Louisiana. Sometimes you have to vote for the Democrat because the other option is even worse.
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I don't disagree.
Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:07PM EST (link)Like I said, the blame is with the DoJ.
I'll take ANY Republican over ANY Dem....
joebgardener Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:43AM EST (link)Every single time…..without exception.
This diary only provides ammo to the Dems to fire back at us….
Bad form.
I’m a retread who keeps coming back after getting banned for trolling.
is 2010...
tngal (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:50AM EST (link)…the year of the squishy? I just ask because between Illinois and now this out of Georgia I get the feeling we’re not promoting the more conservative candidates early enough or something. Its as if we (R) are “settling for” something. Settling for a mod dem over a bad R, or a mod R over a horrible D. Fine I get that, but there’s got to be a way to push forward someone just a tad more C early on in the game before it gets so out of hand we’re down down to settling.
There is a way
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 11:52AM EST (link)Get involved in your local party. Shape things from the start.
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Keeping Gov Mansion
proudgop (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:10PM EST (link)is very critical in Georgia because state is going to gain congressional seats and we need to control all branches for redistricting.
I won’t post on primary don’t have enough info on Primary but we do need to unite to hold the seat
got that
tngal (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:11PM EST (link)Thanks Neil. I’m 50 and have been heavily involved in R politics since I was 18. Hubby ran and won in a local race (he’s a blue dog) Parents were both Ds, I’ve heard every conceivable argument from every side. I know my candidates and still have my Fred T.sticker on my car. I campaign (when I wasn’t on the air) and also try to aid those from other states (phonebanking, door to door, dollars ) when available. Oh, I’ve been heavily involved. My post was to highlight that there appears to be a growing conservative movement (or two) and that is not translating into the primary votes adn thus we end settling for something less than we would have preferred, so what is it going to take?
That's all well and good tngal, but are you a Precinct Committeewoman?
Martin Knight (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:20PM EST (link)Then you’d get a vote on the party leadership and candidate endorsements in primaries. That’s how you can help translate all that enthusiasm into primary votes.
As ColdWarrior would tell you, unless you’re an actual voting member of the party, i.e. one of the party’s precinct committeemen and women in the nation’s 200,000 precincts, you’re not as involved as you think you are.
Okkaaay?
tngal (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 1:00PM EST (link)No I’m not, Currently for several reasons. a) my hisband’s a blue dog, we live in a low populous “blue” county. If he decides to run in another election, I won’t be the one to screw up his chances ; b) we have two groups in the southern md tn area which are actively seeking and training our committee persons and have recommended persons they should seek out to push to the forefront. I have followeded both groups and told them they have my financial support and will phone bank and door to door during election time in other counties. Oddly enough, these groups are appreciative of the work I am able to do for the party (even with our long-shot odds in some of the blue counties.) and our focus is on removing Lincoln Davis. Not even sure why I should have to justify myself. It shouldn’t be like that. I was just asking a question, and apparently this wasn’ the place for it.
This isn't just directed at you.
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 1:05PM EST (link)There are other people reading this site that think they’re involved, but aren’t in position to change things, when they could be.
Your comment is a convenient excuse to bring up the topic again.
We need to fill ALL the open precinct committeeman slots and a fair number of the not open slots with conservatives! This party won’t get back on track until we do.
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No one is asking you to justify yourself tngal...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 1:07PM EST (link)They are encouraging you to be a voting member of your State party in order to have greater influence on the direction it takes.
Don’t get defensive.
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I would agree with you here tngal....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 1:12PM EST (link)not EVERYONE can be a Precinct Committeeman or woman and there are those of us who cannot can do it and what you are doing sounds good….. though WOW your husband is a “bluedog”…YIKES I would KILL MINE
I personally have my youngest son involved and I work a second job (thank God for snow days other then shoveling out) to financially support Conservatives. I wholeheartedly THANK those who commit to a few hours a month and take it to the next level and encourage those who can to do so and those who cannot to PAY UP!! or phone bank or put their boots on the ground door to door, lick envelopes etc.
There is a PLACE for each and everyone of US in this political WAR and each of us are finding our voice one way or the other.
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tngal (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 1:29PM EST (link)finally, fresh air (Darn, if I wasn’t married to this blue dog…)
No need to get defensive, tngal.
Martin Knight (Diary) Thursday, February 4th at 12:04AM EST (link)If you’re doing the best you can in your situation then no one, certainly not me, can ask for anything more.
Further to Marttin's comment and a plug for ColdWarrior
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 1:00PM EST (link)Go look at the The Precinct Project if you have any doubt about what Martin is telling you.
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Precinct project
tngal (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 1:23PM EST (link)Is on my favorites. and has been. You can check out the tn groups. As I stated I have two groups I follow and they are both on precinct project.The southern middle tn one which now encompasses 6 counties, up from 4, and the maury co one which is all to itself because its a more populated county. These are closest to where I live. Even though Maury county is in my congressional district I follow the southern md tn one because it might pick up my county which neighors two of its others.
From a fellow TN girl...there's always hope!
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Thursday, February 4th at 5:16PM EST (link)Both of my sisters in TN married into families with a long history of voting Democrat (blue-dog for the most part). One even married the son of a TN state rep. They have converted their husbands from the dark side to full-fledged conservatism and have come close to converting their in-laws who didn’t vote for Obama. For what it’s worth even though I live in Alabama now, I constantly call Lincoln Davis’ office on behalf of my parents and will donate to whoever runs against him.
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Maybe....
tndiscouraged Wednesday, February 3rd at 12:34PM EST (link)He can get the governor’s limo outfitted with emergency equipment just like he did his Insurance Commissioner urban assault vehicle. He’s been a disgrace, and for anyone to suggest that he’s a genuine conservative is hogwash. Either Handel or Johnson would be preferable. The guy who empties waste cans at the Varsity would be better than Barnes.
Karen Handel would be the best selection.
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Erick -- I think you're wrong on this one
Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 4:13PM EST (link)Erick –
I love what you have created on this site, but I really don’t get this.
What I hear you saying is that SIXTEEN years ago John Oxendine was a Democrat and so we shouldn’t vote for him.
So is it now a requirement to be a life long Republican to run for office.
Personally, I am leaning toward voting for Oxendine over Handel simply because Oxendine has been a pretty straight forward guy as insurance commisioner from what I can tell out here in little people land.
Really, I think this whole post goes against the philosophy of redstate to “Support the conservative in the primary and the Republican in the general.” You are saying that you won’t do that and you are encouraging others to not do it by your stance.
Maybe if you offerred something other than “he played hardball politics in the election (ethics complaints) and used to be a Democrat” then I would be interested in your argument.
I worked on Al Gore’s 1988 campaign back when he was the last pro-life Democrat. Heck, there are a lot of Georgians who switched to the Republican party around 1994.
Are we all permanently disqualified from running for office?
Seriously?
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Erick Erickson (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:11PM EST (link)This is only the beginning. Stay tuned.
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Oxendine appears to be stirring up a scandal pot
pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:37PM EST (link)http://www.gpb.org/news/2010/02/02/oxendine-overseas-trips-gop-congressman-ex-uga-football-coach-%E2%80%9Cpopping-up%E2%80%9D-in-crimin
Alaska should have taught us to be wary about charges and investigations.
Insurance commissioners are almost as bad as Comptrollers when it come to higher office
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, February 3rd at 10:54PM EST (link)I would be every suspected of them. They are squirmy people bent on doing any thing and tell a lot of truth on the bad that they did, as evidenced by the election for mayor down in Houston(it’s so close, I know about). This always the case when they run. Be extra suspect of these people.
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Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
Al Gore wasn't pro life in 1988 or even earlier...
Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Thursday, February 4th at 5:44PM EST (link)He just pretended to be. I asked Al Gore face to face at a meeting of TN social workers in Warren County sometime around 1981 or 1982 if he was pro choice and although he tried to dance around the question, he basically answered yes because of the way I phrased the question, i.e., he thought I was pro choice. He even wrote me a letter summarizing our conversation and oh, how I wish I’d kept it.
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Erick - Stop the Hate...
mjkoenig7 Thursday, February 4th at 9:09AM EST (link)Erick – if you can’t come up with something more substantive than this to smear Oxendine as a political time-bomb who will bring down the GA GOP, and furthermore – can make the BEYOND CRAZY statement that ultra-left Roy Barnes would make a better Governor, you’ve lost me AND your own mind. Clearly you despise Oxendine, but I have to believe it’s for reasons other than stated here. This is old stuff and hardly worthy of the hysterical commentary with which you accompany it. If you dislike Oxendine say so, but let’s leave off the hysterical hissy-fit behavior. Have you forgotten, or are you simply ignorant of Roy Barnes’ HORRENDOUS record as Governor of GA? Oxendine may not be the ideal candidate, but to say his nomination would put GA’s GOP on suicide watch is Daily Kos-style journalism, and you should be above that.
How about some positives about the others...
Chong Thursday, February 4th at 4:24PM EST (link)Can we focus on the positives of the candidates running for Georgia? We never seem to look at the positive activities of the candidates. Their negative doings seem to be more important than what they can be doing for us as governor or president. I do believe we need both in order to make the right vote, but I would consider their positive effect in government and perhaps the negative as the tie breaker.
Like I mention before, I like Handel for her fight against the Feds for our voter rights. She is talking about our water problem and a possible solution. Other than that, I am trying to find more on her and the others. Ox hinted on something like a FairTax reform, but I am starting to think he is not serious about it.
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