What Do Sarah Palin and Jesus Christ Have In Common?


Your reaction to the title of this post says more about you than it does about Sarah, Jesus, or me.

Having survived the day and in a relatively good mood, with a devil may care attitude, comments are now allowed.

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I don’t know what it is about Sarah Palin that sets people off, but there is very little in between. The reaction people have to Sarah Palin is very much the reaction many people have to Jesus — both offend and disgust the secular values of some and with others failing to embrace either sends you straight to hell. Judging by my conversation with Governor Palin a few weeks ago when I asked her why the left has more compassion for Al Qaeda than for conservative women and minorities, I think she gets it and finds some humor in it.

I was on the Morning Joe last week and was asked about Sarah Palin. I made a point I have made repeatedly. In 2008, Obama and Palin were, to many people, empty vessels into which people poured their hopes and dreams without really knowing anything about either. Obama admitted as much about himself in his biography.

I said this again yesterday on a podcast with Dr. Melissa Clothier. I’ve also added repeated (and I’ve used this comparison frequently) that with Obama, most people are coming away disappointed in that who he actually is is quite a bit different from the hopey-changey vessel of good tidings people assumed he was. With Palin, a lot of people got it right — she’s a solid Christian, a real agent of change, a threat to the secular left and feminist movement because she can carry a baby and think at the same time, etc. That’s the benefit of being an honest Alaskan instead of a Manchurian candidate.

But there is a serious problem developing among some of Palin’s biggest fans.

Unfortunately, given the nature of some of the people who are going to read this, I have to stop here and say I’m a big Palin fan. I like her a lot. I’d gladly support her. I want her in federal office of some kind. And I think John McCain could have picked no finer person to be his running mate. Frankly, the results of 2008 might have been different had the positions been reversed.

Got that? Unfortunately this statement of support is not good enough for some of Palin’s most ardent supporters and I think that is harmful to Governor Palin and to having a real conversation about the GOP, conservatives, and where we head politically in general.

I understand that a great many of Palin’s supporters, myself included, have felt on the defensive for a while. The media genuinely hates this woman. The left is more revolted by Palin than they ever were by Bush.

I get that.

But I also get that there are Republicans who like — even love — Sarah Palin who think some of her handlers might not give her the best of advice or think she should or should not do one thing or another. And i’m finding, both from personal experience and the experience of friends, that when those points are brought up, the person raising the point is often inappropriately attacked as a Palin hater.

Sometimes, yeah. But most times, no. I get that there are people who read RedState and comment here who do not like Palin. And I get that there are people here who love her. Put me on that side. But I also get that there are people who have concerns and get really pathetically attacked for voicing those concerns.

Just consider the reaction to this post I wrote about Palin going to the Tea Party Convention. I did not write it intending at all to be critical of Sarah Palin. In fact, I wrote it hoping her handlers might take some notice and reconsider. That Governor Palin has now publicly said the money is going to the fight really ameliorates the situation.

Since that post was written, I have been inundated with complaints that I was attacking Palin. The proof? Michelle Bachmann is going and I didn’t mention her. Well, I happen to know Congresswoman Bachmann read that post and could use her own judgment. I did not mention Congresswoman Bachmann because the big draw, the headliner, the reason for being in the minds of many is Governor Palin.

It will be Governor Palin who is attacked by the press if my fears turn out to be true. I am concerned about her in this particular instance.

But that hasn’t stopped a number of shell shocked supporters still in their bunkers from firing both barrels because I suggested something Governor Palin is doing might need to be reconsidered.

Additionally, because I also have suggested she should, in fact, not miss CPAC given it is a mass crowd of both establishment and activist conservatives from every age group, I am a bought and paid for shill for CPAC since Eagle Publishing is a sponsor.

Writing posts like this is something I do and applies to many people from George Bush to Jim DeMint to Sarah Palin.

I’ve turned off the comments to this post because I know for certain there will be some people who want to attack Sarah Palin. There will be some people who want to attack anyone critical of Sarah Palin. And neither is helpful, nor really relevant to this. Read the post. If you have serious concerns or questions, email me.

If the people who love Sarah Palin and lack the discernment to distinguish between real attacks and honest criticism or suggestions fly off the handle at everything other than unwavering support, they are going to have a hard time being advocates for Governor Palin in the future. With all the attacks against her by the media and the left, she is going to need all of us defending her.

Attacking me or any other Palin supporter for saying something in public we think needs to be said is fair from the love and war standpoint, but when the rest of team can’t have a rational conversation because everything other than hagiography is viewed as an attack, why even be on the team?


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Mike (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 5:48PM EST (link)

Seriously though, I agree. I’m sick of Palin supporters attacking me with the fervor of a PCP-addled Ron Paul acolyte. I like her, I agree with her on many things, but we need to be able to disagree with her — otherwise, she is every bit the sacred cow that Barack Obama is to the MSM.

555 (nt)

sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 6:55PM EST (link)

“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan

 
 

The concept of tough love is lost on some of my fellow Pain fans

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 5:51PM EST (link)

I think she’s making an unforced error avoiding CPAC…I’m not sure yet whether addressing the Tea Party convention is a mistake…it depends on what she says…if she discourages a third party movement as the keynote speaker…she’ll be an asset to us all…

If on the other hand…she doesn’t address what a mess we’d be in if there is a third party candidate in twelve…or worse…she tries to be that candidate…She is toast…and more’s the pity!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Ace, Palin's comments about 3rd party

sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 7:14PM EST (link)

This is what she said yesterday in her interview with Glenn Beck.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politics_nation/2010/01/palin_tempted_to_bail_from_the.html

At the end of an hour-long interview with Fox News’ newest contributor, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck asked her a simple question: Are you a Republican?

Palin replied yes, that she is still a registered Republicans. But she added that there “are times that I am tempted to bail from the party.”

“But I recognize we are a two-party system. The Republican Party — the planks in our platform are, are the best, strongest planks upon which to build a great state, in Alaska, a great country. I’m going to stay a Republican,” Palin told Beck in an interview on his daily Fox show. “But there are those temptations.”

Beck then asked if that rules out a third party run for office.

“I don’t think there is that need for a third party — if Republicans get back to what the planks say,” she said.

That’s a big if, Beck quickly replied. To which Palin said that if an individual candidate campaigns, but then does not deliver on “what they promised to do, standing on those planks in the platform, you gotta fire them. You’ve got to get rid of them.”

“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan

I don't see much there to argue with...

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 7:24PM EST (link)

and I’l probably catch hell for saying it…

But it’s what she does and says at the convention that is where the rubber meets the road…at that will determine whether her addressing it was a mistake or not.

and I submit if she has ambitions for Higher office…she has made an error in not addressing C-PAC.

What’s most important here is what Erick says in all this…Criticizing things Palin does doesn’t make anyone a Palin Hater or someone consumed with Palin Derangement Syndrome.

Nor does defending Palin or agreeing with her in principle on certain points makes one a PAlin Bot and a Palin Sycophant…and

Oddly…I’ve been accused of being both a Palin Hater and a Palin Bot at one time or another!

go figure

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Beck is the key note speaker.

rickindenver Friday, January 15th at 3:46PM EST (link)

I don’t know if Sarah Palin was invited to give the key note address or not. It doesn’t really matter it is still to early.To give a speech and not be the headliner would be a mistake. To give the key note speech at the 2011 C-PAC or even the 2012 would be more effective.

 

I don't think Palin made a mistake in not addressing CPAC

Scope (Diary) Saturday, January 16th at 3:31PM EST (link)

There was an article by Ron Kessler, back in July 2009, where he trashes Palin, because according to David Keene, Palin couldn’t make up her mind if she was going to speak at CPAC last year or not. That was at the time that Palin was dealing with all the ethics charges while still Governor.

CPAC Chairman: Palin not ready for Presidential Run-
http://newsmax.com/ronaldkessler/sarah-palin-cpac/2009/07/09/id/33143

David Keene Endorses Mitt Romney- Dec. 2007
http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313843,00.html

It’s seems pretty likely that Romney will run again in 2012. Will Keene endorse him again in 2012?

Sarah Palin Rebuffs CPAC-Turns down Invite to speak at High-Profile Gathering-

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/01/sarah-palin-rebuffs-cpac-turns-down-invite-to-speak-at-high-profile-gathering/

Can’t say that I blame her. To have Glenn Beck as the Keynote speaker, when Beck is not a Republican, and has done a hit job on Republicans, as much as the Democrats, is highly questionable. Last year Rush’s speech hit it out of the park. This year Rush won’t be attending as he has a scheduling conflict. Hmmm?

 
 
 
 

Why most Palin posts attract 'you dissed her'

Loren Heal (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 5:53PM EST (link)

It’s because most Palin posts go like this:

  1. I like SP
  2. She can never be President, because libs hate her, lacks experience, etc.
  3. If you disagree, remember I said I liked her?

It’s because people like us who live politics 24/7 are convinced that her negatives are too high. But I don’t think they are, and neither do her followers. I think she can win the Presidency.

Note: I am not endorsing her.


Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.

and I don't

kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 6:15PM EST (link)

well, let me qualify that, maybe a chimpanzee could win the next election if the economy continues to tank.

But under anything like normal conditions I don’t think she could win. For too many people she has crossed the barrier into Dan Quayle territory. That is unfair, but life is unfair.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

There is one critical difference between Palin and Quail...or GW Bush that many miss...

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 7:31PM EST (link)

she doesn’t allow the attacks on her inteligence or any other attacks to go unanswered…that’s why she makes them so insane!

It’s like the liberals are screaming…

“DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND…WE”RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT REPUBLICANS WE WANT TO…AND YOU”RE NOT ALLOWED TO RESPOND IN KIND…AND DON”T YOU EVER CONFUSE US OR MAKE US LOOK BAD…OR WE’LL HATE YOU FOREVER!!!”

She’s worth her weight in gold for that one thing if nothing else.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

The Dems learned for the Bush's that they could attack all day long without fear of consequence.

rcov092 (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 8:02PM EST (link)

WE have ourselves to blame for the bad behavior of the junkyard dogs.

“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”

well said nt

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 8:23PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 

At last! Now let me tell you all about what's wrong with Sarah Palin.

Third Street (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 6:00PM EST (link)

Just kidding.

“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”

 

They can both get 100,000 people into a 10,000 people auditorium NT

bobojake (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 6:03PM EST (link)

When they speak, people listen. No wait, that's EF Hutton's old schtick.

Mary Beth (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 6:06PM EST (link)

“A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.” ~ Ronald Reagan

 

The best thing for her?

jsanzone (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 6:11PM EST (link)

It is arguable that the intense (constructive) criticism of Sarah Palin is the best thing for her. She has the chance, and is willing, to soak up the concerns of the grassroots, so when she does run for federal office, her credibility on the “big” issues will be more in touch and articulate. We need to remember she’s still quite fresh on the national scene. We must not be too hasty in giving her adoration and hands-down credibility before the time is right, or her supporters will just be portrayed as cult-like, and reviled by the media (and the under-the-influence sector of the electorate).

http://www.2010blog.net
20/10 Blog

 

DRAFT PALIN 2012

direwolf Thursday, January 14th at 6:14PM EST (link)

Everyone should be allowed to speak their mind regarding tactics/logistics and leave the ultimate shot-calling to Palin. I have not heard that Palin has “handlers”? Why would Palin ever submit to “handlers” after her previous experience in the McCain campaign. Palin is going to require lots of loyal support and $ for whatever role she decides to play in reforming the GOP. That is what this is about right now, isn’t it?

Palin and her “handlers”

needle Saturday, January 16th at 2:26PM EST (link)

“Why would Palin ever submit to “handlers” after her previous experience in the McCain campaign?”

If Sarah Palin is even thinking about running for President – and I for one believe that she is thinking very hard and thoroughly about it – she needs a sizeable array of people working for her. The project of running for President is much too vast and complicated to be done alone. (I have been a volunteer for the Scott Brown campaign for the past month or so, and THAT has been a MUCH bigger project than I had ever imagined it would be.) The key here is to carefully put together a very skilled and knowledgeable team completely dedicated and loyal to the project. It is obvious that some people got into the McCain campaign who were inadequately vetted, and I doubt if anybody knows that better than Sarah, who by the way, put together a much better team for her Alaskan governorship.

I think that it was providential that McCain pick Sarah for his campaign, which had essentially no chance to succeed, thanks to the Liberal Media. It was providential, not because of its inevitable failure, but because of the incomparable learnings that Sarah could, and almost certainly did, derive from it for when she herself would run for the Presidency (and not for the relatively insignificant Vice Presidency). The 2008 campaign was, and continues to be, providential also by giving the conservatives and Tea Partiers a crisis in governance that Rahm Emanuel would simply love if only he were capable of actually governing, instead of running this country into the ground and creating the ultimate crisis of his own undoing.

 
 

Heh, yep

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 6:24PM EST (link)

I think that the duality of support for Palin is shown to be true by the fact that many view RS as an anti-Palin site, despite the fact that the majority of posters, and most of the front-page posters, like and support Palin in her current endeavors. I’m glad that you guys have taken a middle-of-the road approach to Palin, and that she isn’t in the spotlight at all times.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

I don't see that as the case

JoeG Thursday, January 14th at 6:32PM EST (link)

RS has gone after those in the McCain camp that went after Palin. If anything they have been very balanced in the treatment she’s gotten.

Neither do I

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 6:54PM EST (link)

But many Palin advocacy sites and Townhall, Ace of Spades, etc. commenters see us that way.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

Here's the problem...

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, January 16th at 2:49PM EST (link)

with the Palenettas, if you are not TOTALLY 100% in-the-tank for Sarah, you’re an “anti-Palin” site. “Balanced” is the last thing they’re willing to accept.

 
 
 

This applies to two candidates

JoeG Thursday, January 14th at 6:29PM EST (link)

Mike Huckabie supporters behave much in the same way. Both candidates are treated very unfairly by the media and the natural reaction of many conservatives will naturally be to go on the strong offensive on anyone who speaks with anything other than praise.

Two unfortunate events come out of this.

The biggest is I believe that both of their political career is over, and liberals / democrats / MSM folks will believe it is due to their full court press on them. The reason I believe that Huckabie really never had a chance at the top tier but was close. Once he had the blood of four police officers on his hands, he was finished. Palin’s problem is quitting. We need a fighter, and if she really was the one to go to the next level, she would have fought on and never quit. But the libs won’t see that as the reason. They’ll believe it was the lies and smears that did it. Palin scared them greatly because she is the right’s answer to 0bama as you point out. She’s someone who isn’t a Washington insider who says the things that make many happy. This will only embolden them to push harder at our front runners.

The second part of that is exactly what you note Erick. The left’s vile treatment made us band together in defense, but also crippled our ability to have a good discourse among ourselves. I did exactly that with Achance, and in hindsight I was out of line. I believe that we need to recognize the motives long standing members who have demonstrated their conservative cred by posting as such and give them the benefit of the doubt that they are saying things from the perspective of furthering the cause.

Most of all we need to ALL back the candidate that covers all three legs of conservatism. That way we aren’t selling out anyone but the squishies. I’m a libertarian leaning conservative and federalist small government is my highest priority. But I won’t expect a social conservative to support a socially liberal candidate. All I want in return is the respect to not attempt to cram a big government social conservative on me.

I don't agree

merryj1 Friday, January 15th at 6:42AM EST (link)

Yours is a thoughtful comment with good points, but I think the political epitaphs are premature for both Huckabee and Palin.

I’m not a Huck supporter — I’m not certain why, and that could certainly change, but to this point, something made (makes) me uneasy about him in presidential terms. That said, he does not have “the blood of four officers” on his hands – in the circumstance at the time, commuting a 100+ years prison sentence imposed on a 16-year-old who’s crime would normally call for less than ten years, and with the commutation recommended by the sentencing judge, and with the prisoner having already served more time than would usually have been called for — was the right thing to do. If there is blame for subsequent events, that would fall on prosecutors/law enforcement involved in wrist-slapping that person years after Huckabee’s relatively routine signing of an order requested by other state officials, and supported by the evidence and facts of the original case .

And, Palin’s resignation as Governor of Alaska was necessary and laudable. The expense to the state of Alaska in money and man-hours responding to and furnishing research and documentation due to frivolous lawsuits and “public interest” groups’ FOIA demands was beginning to pose real, serious problems for the state — it threatened to bring the normal business of governance to a halt. Turning the reigns of government over to the Lt. Gov removed that burden. These were essentially political attacks directed at Palin personally – she took the “hit” to spare the people of Alaska from becoming collateral damage in the media/leftist war against her.

I supported Govenor Palin's resignation

rickindenver Friday, January 15th at 4:01PM EST (link)

We caucased and ralled unanimous support in my presinct for Govenor Romney here in Colorado only to have him kick us in the teeth a few days later by quitting his campaign at C-PAC! Now that was a quitter!

Correction

rickindenver Friday, January 15th at 5:10PM EST (link)

I meant to say that I supported Govenor Palin”s decision to resign!

 
 

The proper recrouse would be to fix the law.

JoeG Sunday, January 17th at 1:57AM EST (link)

The citizens of Alaska wouldn’t be angry if the reasons for “tweaking” the law to deal with the flagrantly made up allegations. You bet the left would try to play it up, but I think most see through the tactics.

Something along the lines of loser pays for the flagrant cases sure would curtail these cases.

 
 

I don't think the liberal media

peterb Saturday, January 16th at 4:19PM EST (link)

will ever give a second thought to the details you mentioned.
It’s not in their playbook.
That being said I am all for Sarah Palin, and Mike Huckabee, but I’m worried that our exitement as demonstrated by the Tea Party movement, may turn in to an American Idol movement.
You can well see what the last ‘popularity’ contest got us.
I have not seen a strong leader that has come forward yet, a person
that will give his position on leadership for the country, and for us to be able, or want, to get behind.
All I have seen so far is, talk,talk,talk, of who can outsmart who.
The only person, in my estimation, who did a very good job of interviewing Sarah palin was Glenn Beck. And I agree with Glenn when he said that Sarah’s answers were very guarded, and observed correctly that she felt that she was in a tank full of sharks.
The problem that I see, with whoever takes up the mantle of leadership is, that with all the sniping and “gottcha” lamestream media, it will be very difficult for this country to come together, FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY.
I like to see a leader that knows what he’s talking about, firmly states where he stands, and is not going to spend all his time getting all hung up on, whether his ‘enemies’ will love him or not.
It’s time to get out of the sandbox and quit playing around, this is very serious business. Period.

 
 

How many times do you have to reassure us you love SP?

richardphx Thursday, January 14th at 6:33PM EST (link)

Go back and read the post again. You must have told us half a dozen times in parenthetical phrases that you love Palin. The fact that you need to keep repeating this, est others misunderstand and get mad at you has got to tell you something: the Palin supporters are hyper-sensitive to any kind of potential criticism (potential – i.e., even if it isn’t actually criticism but might be interpreted that way erroneously). In other words they are rabid junkyard dogs, ready to snarl at anyone who doesn’t stick to the script, which boils down to “I adore Sarah and she walks on water and is beyond reproach.”

Again, the fact you had to write this the way you did speaks volumes. The Palin contingent is dangerous, closed-minded, prickly, temperamental, and maybe just a wee bit stupid. Grow up, people. No one is beyond criticism. If you appear to be wild-eyed fanatics it will turn off every independent and moderate in the country – and independents already have enough of a hard time with Sarah, as you all should know.

Dude, you sound like Chris Matthews!

direwolf Thursday, January 14th at 6:59PM EST (link)

I might be stoopid, but I do not have Obama running up my leg…

 

It's called "tact" richardphx.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 7:11PM EST (link)

And it is actually a positive trait. You should think about that before commenting again.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 

I would argue theexact argument is true of the other side as well however...

AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 7:46PM EST (link)

For some on the other side…the mere mention of her name is reason to spit invective and every vile thing that comes to mind…I think that’s the point…we need to be able to criticize her when shes wrong without being labeled haters…and we should be able to defend her on some issues without being called Palin Bots.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Any chance to do so without attacking the Tea Party movement?

AStoner Friday, January 15th at 12:21AM EST (link)

I mean seriously. She dissed CPAC, so what happens? Tea Partiers take the flak. With that, I will remain outside of your sphere of influence, wary of all your claims. Not that I should not always do so with everyone, but American’s have lives, and need someone who they can look to for reliable information. These three blogs have significantly damaged my view of them.

I got no qualms about criticism, even of Tea Partiers or myself as long as it is factual, instead we get innuendo and slanders. Nothing but praise for CPAC though, i guess that is really the sacred cow in all this.

oops

AStoner Friday, January 15th at 12:25AM EST (link)

Not directed at you Ace. More just a follow towards the ability to criticize.

 

You prove Erick's point perfectly here

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 10:21AM EST (link)

1) I consider myself a Palin fan and supporter
2) I am a friend and member of the Tea Party movement

but simply saying she may be making a mistake by not addressing CPAC and saying she would be making a mistake if she tries to take the Tea Party in the direction of a third party is enough cause for you to opoenly question my motives?

We all need to have the ability and motivation to keep a sceptical eye on issues and to call people out when we think they’re messing up….one thing I’m concerned about right now involves the local Tea Party in San Antonio…it’s a local story at the moment…but could be a bomb shell and hurt the movement….maybe because we’ve been a little too trusting…and haven’t been willing to look critically at the people/organizations we support.

There was supposed to be a paid for shindig here in San Antonio with a lot of high profile speakers including Hannity, Palin..etc that would cost you $750 a head to get in that has been canceled…a large chunk of the money collected can’t be refunded because it can’t be accounted for and can’t be refunded…If I understand the Story…it was a third party vendor who diverted the funds to their accounts

I know the tea party organizers in San Antonio in passing…and I don’t think they are involved…At least I’ll be stunned to find out they were…but the movement is susceptible to being infiltrated by some bad elements. and if we’re not willing to point it out…or if anyone who points it out is to be branded a traitor and looked at with suspicion…then the movement is doomed because like it or not…without some leadership and without people who are willing to look under the rocks and police the movement…We’re doomed because there are people out there who will betray our trust and destroy us from within!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

As I stated above, directing towards you specifically was wrong.

AStoner Friday, January 15th at 2:44PM EST (link)

Sorry for the error, I do not have any ability to edit.

As far as policing and protecting against bad actors, it seems that some people have certainly inflated their personal ego’s with respect to who owns the Tea Party movement. It is one thing to get the bad actors out, it is another thing altogether to simply automatically consider anyone that is not in your ‘in group’ to be a bad actor and preemptively undermine their efforts.

We three kingmakers, Dan, Melissa and Erick shall decide who are allowed any positions of power. When we decide, all you lowly Tea Partiers better fall in line, or we will be there trash you. It is reminiscent of how Democrats view the population. Government is in charge and the people are the peons who need to be forced to follow the diktats of the educated class.

Dan linked a Tea Party leadership training event that will happen in Dallas. When you go to the site, there is basically no information at all. All the functions of the site are inactive, except the blog page which has a link to application for training, application for a speech and a PDF of the speakers. He says that is what a valid Tea Party leadership training site should look like, the reasons is because he knows one or two people on the list and the price is right.

When you go to the Tea Party Nation site, it has numerous active pages where you can learn everything you want to know about the people. There is nothing hidden that I can see. So why is the TPN event not a valid event? Because Dan, Melissa and Erick did not get to vet the leadership of the organizers and pick and chose from their ‘facebook’ friends. Also, the price is a bit expensive, being $549 in order to attend all of the event. Is it possible TPN is being run by some underhanded slimy dirtbag? Of course. Is it possible that the person running it just does not have the skill to do it perfect? Maybe so. Does the TPN leadership condone the rape of babies and sacrifice of virgins? Might be possible. The funny thing is that these great conservative people would rather take any and all accusations of impropriety and give them air time and more importantly legitimacy. For what purpose exactly? Then when there is real corruption at the head of CPAC, that is nothing, move along folks, nothing to see here.

So yeah, Erick is pissing people off, and he is tarnishing reputation for no other purpose than to trash TPN and he is perfectly happy allow all the collateral damage to be directed at Sarah Palin.

When I look at the whole issue, my remaining question is this. If Sarah Palin had chosen to attend CPAC and not TPN, would any of this had any actual time on any of these sites? My gut feeling is that TPN would not be under attack by any of these three if this were the case. Maybe I am wrong, but when did the attacks on TPN start? Before or after Sarah Palin was invited to speak?

 
 
 
 

I can see both sides of this

Leopard1996 (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 7:47PM EST (link)

And maybe y0ou should to, before you start throwing invectives about being “Closed minded, prickly, tempermental, and (the most offensive to those who may support Palin) maybe just a wee bit stupid.”

Most folks that are now supporting Palin probably see what is starting to look like a two front war between MSM libtards, and establishment type GOP people forever beating her over the head trying to marginalize her before she even gets started.

On the other hand, especially on this site, we are a thinking persons group that believes in principles over people, and people need to understand, that if anybody who is going to claim to represent our interests and principles, do things that are against those said principles, they should be expected to be called on it. Especially if that person is looking to be the face of what being a conservative republican is supposed to be. What we do not need is our version of the Olightened one.

“The accumluated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout, “Save Us!”….and I’ll look down and whisper, “No”…The Watchmen

 

richardphx

sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 8:10PM EST (link)

“The Palin contingent is dangerous, closed-minded, prickly, temperamental, and maybe just a wee bit stupid.”

I know you are but what am I?

“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan

 
 

We've done "unvetted leader"

BD57 (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 6:47PM EST (link)

Obama wasn’t vetted. He wasn’t forced to answer hard questions or stand up to criticism. We’re paying the price of electing a candidate who went an entire campaign with the media’s lips pressed firmly against his butt.

Governor Palin has certainly been subjected to hard questions and criticism – the media’s treatment of her to date has been deplorable.

Unfortunately, none of that matters – - – nothing we say or do is going to change that. The only way Governor Palin wins a national office is to OVERCOME that treatment.

Conservatives trying to shout down fellow conservatives who have questions, issues, criticisms is counter-productive. Not only that, it indicates a surprising lack of confidence in Governor Palin’s ability to defend herself.

She’s smart. She connects with people. And, as the old saying goes, that which does not kill me makes her stronger.

Let her become stronger.

Palin Vs. O'Reilly: Was She Smart?

Ausonius (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 9:12PM EST (link)

I did not see the show, but if Newsmax is right, her interview with O’Reilly was less than impressive.

What say ye, RedStaters?

From Bill Kessler’s column:

“In sum, Palin never gave a coherent rebuttal to the allegations and therefore gave credence to them. At the same time, her meandering responses showed she was just as unfocused as Schmidt claimed she was.

Until she decided to quit, Palin had an impressive record as governor. She is an articulate champion of conservative values. But based on her performance in a friendly forum, those who think Palin should run for president should think twice.”

See:

http://newsmax.com/RonaldKessler/sarahpalin-billo-reilly-60minutes-lies/2010/01/13/id/346291

Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.

Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.

Cato@rock.com

find some different reviews.

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 9:17PM EST (link)

This yodel didn’t watch the same interview I did. She called Schmidt a liar. I think that counts as a coherent rebuttal.

Having said that, when she had a chance to speak to policy issues, she was a little too vague for my taste. If she knows her stuff, like I think she does, she needs to start speaking to specifics ideas and solutions in more detail.

Overall, I thought she aquitted herself quite well.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

I really loved her Hong Kong speech

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 10:06PM EST (link)

(here’s a transcript), and it proves that Palin can deliver a substantial speech if she wants to. Her stump speeches are also top-notch (who can forget her VP nomination speech). However, her interviews so far have left much to be desired. I wonder why that is?

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

aesthete

sharonmcp (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 10:43PM EST (link)

If possible, watch her interview with Hannity today. There was a bit more “meat” in it than what BOR served up.

“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan

Cool, I'll try to watch it nt

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 11:57PM EST (link)

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 
 
 
 

They were both crucified?

Alberta (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 6:47PM EST (link)

common people I couldnt have been the first to think that one up.

Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln

 

In Commonality

hupster (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 8:25PM EST (link)

Based on the Biblical record, and by the confession of Ms. Palin’s faith, I have no doubt the heavenly Father knows both His Son and little doubt He doesn’t know Ms. Palin by name. Of course many dispute the reliability and veracity of the Biblical record, but that is not the question here. That has been questioned for centuries. Tthe Bible simply makes many straightforward assertions; such as ‘He that knows the Son has life, and He that knows not the Son does not have life.” Moreover, it is written that “there is no other name under heaven whereby a man must call upon to be saved.” The fact that I reference those verses does not make me arrogant or narrow minded, for I am not mightier or wiser than God that I must clarify for Him what He really meant to say to make the Gospel politically correct. At the end of my life I will die, and in the introduction of the hereafter, if I erred; then I erred. I know of no religion or teaching that condemnation awaits those who so arrogantly speak in this life. No harm; no foul. On the other hand, those who presume to know differently and call me arrogant today… what if they’re wrong? Who then is so arrogant to say to the very Creator and the Father who gave His only begotton Son…. that such is not so? Interesting dilemna I’d say.

This needs to be backed up!

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 10:31AM EST (link)

I have no doubt the heavenly Father knows both His Son and little doubt He doesn’t know Ms. Palin by name.

On what basis to you claim God doesn’t know Sarah Palin by name…and by what authority would you make such a statement?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Doesn't the Bible say God has numbered the very hairs on our head? nt

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 10:33AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Um, Ace, if you're going to use that quote,

janis (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 10:53AM EST (link)

you might wish to use a picture of someone with some hair to illustrate it. Unless the magnificent Fred’s almost bald head WAS your illustration. :-)

LOL...good point...but even the hairs on a bald man's head have been numbered...they just aren't on my head any more...ROFL nt

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 10:57AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

A Simple Reality

hupster (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 11:15AM EST (link)

We’re called to make our calling and election sure, are we not? And Jesus also speaking of the sheep and goats told some that he did not know them, and thus to depart from Him. There will be many who unfortunately profess Christ, but Christ knows them not. It is in the sense that I phrased the comment, given that only God knows and sees the end from the beginning.

so you are making the assumption that she's not a blood bought child of the king then?

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 12:28PM EST (link)

based on what exactly?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

No Assumption

hupster (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 3:56PM EST (link)

I said I had little doubt because there will be those who say before the Lord of Hosts, but Lord, I prophesied in your name… I did this and I did that… and the Lord responds? Matthew 7:23 and 25:41.

Again, sometimes I question my own salvation when I find myself living in conflict with God’s law. Such is the great lament of Paul in Romans.

Anyway, it is Christ Jesus who will ultimately opine on the matter of our salvation.

if you have little doubt he doesn't know her by name which means you are giving yourself the apperent ability to determin her standing with almighty GOD

AceInTX (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 4:13PM EST (link)

I’m pretty sure of myself on what I believe about a lot of things…but I stop myself short of the kind of arrogance it takes to judge another person’s position before The LORD…especially if my only access to them is what I’m told through the media.

You’ve got a right to your beliefs…and you’ve got your right to judge…but I’d make sure I know what I was talking about before I run afoul of GOD by judging one of his children wrongly!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 

A Simple Reality

hupster (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 11:15AM EST (link)

We’re called to make our calling and election sure, are we not? And Jesus also speaking of the sheep and goats told some that he did not know them, and thus to depart from Him. There will be many who unfortunately profess Christ, but Christ knows them not. It is in the sense that I phrased the comment, given that only God knows and sees the end from the beginning.

 
 
 

The 'born-again' phenomenon

Finrod (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 8:41PM EST (link)

Since you just had to bring Jesus into it, Erick :-)

Almost all of us who are Christian have had to deal with someone who is a very recent convert. These people, while there’s nothing wrong with them, are often the most enthusiastic and yet the least effectual at communicating the Gospel: they’ll find a way to bring Jesus into Every Single Conversation, to the point of stopping random people on the street and asking them if they have been saved. Needless to say, these efforts on their part, while admirable for their enthusiasm, are almost always counter-productive. Back in the days of the Book of Acts they might have had some positive effect, but it’s been about 2000 years since then, and there’s scarcely anyone left in the United States that hasn’t had at least some exposure to Christianity already.

This phenomenon is in no way limited just to Christians. The vast majority of Islamic terrorists could probably be dubbed ‘born-again Muslims’; universities every year churn out numerous born-again Marxist students (even if they themselves don’t recognize that they’re Marxists); even atheists can be born-again atheists, just look at Penn Jillette as an example– he will refuse to be friends with anyone that he knows has any religious belief.

I believe that this phenomenon also explains the excessive enthusiasm of many Sarah Palin fans. She has done a wondrous thing in getting many people into and excited about politics that never were before, but just like the September That Never Ended, the quality of conversation can take a nosedive until these people get assimilated into the overall discussion.

The concern I have about doing this is how to do it without breaking their spirit? We can use their enthusiasm and vigor, we just need to channel them in the right direction. This is why I’m not sure that Erick’s article here really strikes the proper tone. These people are for the most part not ‘robots’, they’re just very inexperienced in the world of politics, and there isn’t one of us who hasn’t been there before. There will of course always be some who won’t listen to reason, but the vast majority can be brought along and become useful and productive members of the community. Just think of how as a Christian, you would handle being out in public with an over-enthusiastic brand-new convert (if you’re not Christian, substitute here some other cause that you follow).

I’ll close this by putting in a plug for Neil Stevens’ recent diary, Gandalf and the Bots. We all need to be more careful about our tone, and I most certainly do not exclude myself from that, since I know I’ve been a major part of more than one flame war that’s caused comments to be turned off on a post. Flaming someone is easy, following RedState’s “Be respectful, or be banned” rule is less so. This will become only more and more true the closer we get to the upcoming presidential election season.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

Born Again Phenomenon

hupster (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 9:22PM EST (link)

I don’t know if you were referencing my post or not, but let me say that while mature Christians need to have a lot more understanding of the worldview and subsequent reaction, there is a difference between Christian apologetics and apologizing for being a Christian. No apology is necessary, and unlike Obama, I only bow to the Sovereign God.

No, I hadn't even seen your post. (n/t)

Finrod (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 9:48PM EST (link)

.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

Oh?

merryj1 Friday, January 15th at 6:56AM EST (link)

Just an observation, but the brief exchange between you two (Finrod and hupster) exemplifies pretty much Erick’s main point — readers “jumping salty” based on their own misperception of a poster’s intent. Heh.

Clarification... No Jumping Salty

hupster (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 12:01PM EST (link)

If you actually read someone’s post, we all have different filters. The civility of man asks for clarification so there remains no misperception. Finrod said he hadn’t read the post; that took care of that. Even your observation is valued as to what we think and how we react to what we read. Thanks for the discussion!

 

Clarification... No Jumping Salty

hupster (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 12:01PM EST (link)

If you actually read someone’s post, we all have different filters. The civility of man asks for clarification so there remains no misperception. Finrod said he hadn’t read the post; that took care of that. Even your observation is valued as to what we think and how we react to what we read. Thanks for the discussion!

either way...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, January 16th at 4:58AM EST (link)

shows hottopics can garner a passionate response regardless of whether the word-choices led us to assume the right intent. Seems the assumption is to the negative, which lends to Erick’s point, IMO, that it says more about US than about the post and whether we attempt to seek clarity and understanding before treading too far in. The “jumping salty” may have very well have been a bit of a light-hearted (levity) over-statement met wrong — can’t read minds — and that would magically return us to the point. Especially where Religion is ever invoked/involved, it often gets us off-kilter a bit and leads to some holier type retorts. As I’ve always said, we are all entitled to bad-days or two three, as long as it isn’t all the time. It takes time to get used to some peoples Personalities and writing quirks, er… I mean…. style ;-) lol.

RESPECT

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
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“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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Oh, and Welcome to RedState

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, January 16th at 5:10AM EST (link)

to both our recent joiners… from a humble voluntary Asylum resident ;-)

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 
 
 
 
 
 

We are not sheep, and we will not be led to slaughter.

AStoner Friday, January 15th at 12:10AM EST (link)

“The concern I have about doing this is how to do it without breaking their spirit? We can use their enthusiasm and vigor, we just need to channel them in the right direction.”

You act as though the Republican party is the rightful OWNER of the Tea Party movement. If the Republican Party wants to bring us into the fold, it has to earn our trust by being an honest broker. The Tea Party movement is outside the political establishment. We have been lied to dozens of times too many times, and like cheated on wife, we are no longer willing to reconcile our differences.

We might vote Republican, or we might vote third party. Honestly, I would support many 1950′s and 1960′s styled democrats before I support many of the 2000′s and 2010′s Republican establishment members.

Some Tea Partiers, in fact most would be fiscal conservatives. Some may be anti-illegal immigration. Others might have many reasons for being outside the party. ALL Tea Partiers have at least one thing in common, and that is little trust that either party actually supports and would enact laws that would lead to a government in line with their will. It will likely fracture, and that is very sad, because I think it is the only thing that can save our country from liberal progressive agendas that all too many Republicans and so called moderate Democrats are willing to allow to move forward inch by inch just so long as no one is watching at the very moment.

Where did I mention the Republican Party?

Finrod (Diary) Saturday, January 16th at 4:01AM EST (link)

I was talking about these types coming here on RedState and how to make them productive members of the community here.

I think you’re reading something into my comment that’s not there.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

 
 

You are so right....

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, January 16th at 4:41AM EST (link)

as to any of the recently converted, they usually have just a small sub-set of information which they based their “conversion” on and are not yet necessarily comfortable and/or confident in their positions and often take things personally (if you question/challenge their “truth” you must be challenging them personally) rather than stick with the merits of the conversation, because they often don’t have anything beyond their few memorized points. Sometimes you just have to let them go off the-cliff and not let them drag you into the ill-tone (or feed the fight you may have stumbled into). Some newbies still haven’t discovered that most at the site are Conservative first and Republican second, understandable depending on which Diaries they first jump in on. They have to reach their own epiphany (most Humans [matter of Human Psychology, Denial is a hard thing to over-come] have to reach their own Epiphany).

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 
 

It is not the attacks on Palin, but the attacks on Tea Partiers.

AStoner Thursday, January 14th at 9:33PM EST (link)

My biggest beef with what you guys say is not that you are attacking Palin. I see it as that you are doing everything in your ability to ensure that TPN (or any other new conservative group) becomes automatically illegitimate as you try to force more and more people away from them. With little or no information, you take any and all slanders and derogatory statements and try to make sure they gain legitimacy. Where CPAC has documented and factual proof of corruption, you try to insinuate that TPN is most assuredly a corrupt endeavor with no likely chance of ever becoming anything productive for conservatives. In your apparent zeal to protect the dug in special interests and corrupted officials that have infiltrated or become corrupted inside the Republican party, you must destroy any legitimacy that a potential competitor might gain. In the process, you are becoming damaged goods, just as you are trying to lay claim to trying to defend Palin from becoming damaged goods. Many uncorrupted companies, groups and people do their level best to avoid even appearances of wrongdoing, and as you continue to trash the TPN with no evidence, these conscientious companies, groups and people start to distance themselves from TPN, leaving nothing behind, so you force a self fulfilling prophecy, which is pretty much how the ‘mainstream’ media works. You could have certainly decided earlier on to help ensure that the TPN was on the up and up, giving advice in place of innuendo of wrongdoing, or moral support in lieu of disparaging remarks. Of course, that might have come at the expense of CPAC giving the bloggers the legitimacy that they crave, which if you ask me seems to be a pretty big corrupting force, the need for legitimacy.

CPAC has been around how long? How has that worked out for us? While it was useful in the early years, the last decades of its existence has certainly not accomplished what it was set up to do. The reason is because it has lost its way, and that is due to corruption of its leadership and thus mission. Sure, it is perfectly willing to allow you ‘conservative’ bloggers a voice, and I am certain that the privilege of that is worth a significant amount to you (I bet those table crumbs are sprinkled with caviar). Probably worth enough for you to keep your mouth shut when the stench of corruption reaches your noses and the shady dealings are within view of your diverted eyes. This episode is certainly enlightening, but it is not at the expense of Palin, at least not yet, but at the expense of your image to Tea Partiers and other true conservatives..

Related…

My response to Pajamas Media “Why Is Sarah Palin Associating with the For-Profit Tea Party Nation?”

It is starting to look like there are pretty much zero semi independent conservative blogs to look to anymore that have not started to make their beds with the corrupted establishment part of the Republican party. Erick Erickson (Red State), Followed by Dan Riehl (Riehl World) and now Melissa Clouthier (Pajamas Media). If it is not; pre-established, already has its own membership and thus hierarchy, is part and partial to the special interests of Washington, it is not and should not be considered a viable place for a conservative to go, according to thse three ‘conservatives’.

But hey, lets look at how great the establishment is.
1) A major sponsor for CPAC, apparently the only valid place for a conservative to speak according to these ‘conservative’ bloggers is GOProud, an extremist wing of the Republican that is very far from conservative. GOProud’s goals are to institutionalize the degradation of the covenant of marriage and thus the family unit. The core of conservatives is the family unit. A father, mother and some number of children unit is by far the most socially and more importantly, fiscally conservative. After that, you have married couples sans children as conservative. Next up are single working males. Then single males. Followed by single women sans children. Then single women. At the very end of the spectrum of conservative groups, are special interest people who need special treatment to make them feel all warm and good inside, named as anti discrimination laws, but known to be pro discrimination laws. You have blacks and Hispanics on one side (racial minority) and on the other side you have welfare queens, gays, lesbians, transsexuals, bisexuals, pedophiles, beastialists and other groups of deviant behaviors that want to be made mainstream by having laws enacted that say they are natural and welcomed into our society. If you need a law to say that you are normal and welcomed, then you are a freak and very far from conservative. So, what these ‘conservative’ bloggers consider to be good places for a conservative to become legitimate is a place where the least conservative possible groups have a large say in what is talked about. Think about that for a while, GOProud wants to change the social fabric of America, in the exact same way that communism stated was the correct way to destroy a Democratic Capitalist country, by destroying the social fabric of family, and this is what these three think is the best place to show you are a true conservative. Completely unbelievable!

2) Then you have the actual establishment people. Lawyers who have never had a real job who can fast talk themselves out of illegal and immoral situations that they make for themselves. The leader of CPAC makes a pay for play situation that is obviously real, and every last one of these weasels is perfectly happy with his explanation that it just is not so (Who are you gonna believe? Me or your lyin’ eyes?). Tells you all you need to know about how they feel about corruption, since we know exactly how Sarah Palin would feel about corruption.

If these three ‘conservatives’ were really interested in the tea party people, then they would make a stand on the side of Palin, instead of trying to make certain that the stand she did take becomes a bad one by trying to drive away any legitimacy of the group she chose to support with her views. It is easy to sew corruption and it becomes vastly difficult to get rid of once it is part of a group. Palin likely knows that CPAC is close to unsalvageable on the corruption side so long as ‘conservatives’ are willing to allow a corrupted person to head the organization, but also does not want to break Reagan’s commandment of not attacking other conservatives. The best way to do this is to simply marginalize the bad actors and force them out of the system, with no direct attacks. If these ‘conservatives’ really wanted to make the Republican party the party that Tea Partiers would feel welcome, they would marginalize the bad actors and force them out of the party, or at least out of leadership roles in the party. So long as the corrupted officials remain, the Tea Partiers will remain outside the fold. That includes me.

For what it is worth, I like Sarah Palin very much, just like all three of these ‘conservatives’ claim to, but at least I understand why I like Sarah Palin, which is something I doubt the three ‘conservatives’ do. Palin knows the root of what makes government bad. Power, money, corruption and special interests. The first is power, the more power government takes from people and gives to itself, the more money that is required to run the system. The more money in the system, the more special interests want to use that power and money to their advantage. The more special interests that are lobbying for power and funding from an over-sized government, the more corruption that becomes ingrained through back room closed door deals ($2.1m in support from you will lead to our supporting you and thus your company gaining $210M in business).

The way to fix our government is not the way that it became broken, it has to go backwards. You must get rid of the corruption first. When you have uncorrupted officials in power, special interests will learn that they cannot put 1% down on power and funding. This will then lead to people being in positions of power that are not corrupted and will be willing to return the money and power back to the people and the states, where it constitutionally belongs. We the people are entitled to a government that lives within the plain text original meaning of the Constitution of the United States of America and the Amendments at the time of enactment. There is a way in which the constitution can be a living document, and that method is written in the constitution, amendments.

Go ahead and keep supporting the corrupted actors in the Republican party by giving them legitimacy and knocking down potential new groups that have the chance to start with no corruption. It will lead to exactly where we have been in the past. I for one would rather start with an uncorrupted group that has a chance to grow and attract the uncorrupted people from the corrupted groups. I think Palin has that same idea.

Gosh, we haven't heard from you for 15 months

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 9:50PM EST (link)

and you drop this off.

Your screen name is really appropriate.

At least he remembers to pass it to da' left

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 9:54PM EST (link)

” I side impenitently with the human race against the modern reformer.” – C.S. Lewis

 

Yeah, I wonder what mbecker stands for.

AStoner Thursday, January 14th at 10:00PM EST (link)

Maybe a first initial and a last name?

I Can Think Of Many Things...

Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 10:20PM EST (link)

If you’ve seen the old “Dirty Harry” Movies it’s synonimous with JAMF!

” I side impenitently with the human race against the modern reformer.” – C.S. Lewis

 

Holy cow, an Obama administration official...

mschmitt (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 10:41PM EST (link)

… has graced us with his presence! Want some of our addresses too, tough guy?

usque ad finem

 

mbecker stand for

mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 11:14PM EST (link)

the screen name of a guy who has friends like aesthete who pick up the baton when I’m out.

He said it quite well. Not that you’d have the capacity to understand it.

 

um, think you missed my point.

AStoner Thursday, January 14th at 11:49PM EST (link)

AStoner = A. Stoner is a name. First initial, last name. Much like mbecker is most like M. Becker a first initial and last name. Not some sort label I personally chose to give myself as though I am a drug using individual.

Of course, it is not like I have not had to put up with juvenile people such as yourself all my life. I can understand why a juvenile person would take my statement as a threat. But that is just simply not the case.

 
 
 

Those are some pretty bold claims

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 10:27PM EST (link)

You’ve made some very bold (and, if you can’t back them up, libelous) statements in the course of your comment:

1) That RedState, Pajamas Media, and Reihl’s world “make their beds with the corrupted establishment part of the Republican party”.

2) That GOProud is a major sponsor with CPAC, and that it is anti-family.

3) That CPAC is corrupt and that its organizers engage in pay-for-play.

4) That Palin’s refusal to not attend CPAC has to do with aforementioned (and unproved) corruption. (As an aside, if this is true, why wouldn’t she say so?)

Claims like these will require copious amounts of proof, and unless you can supply that proof, you should apologize to the groups that you libeled here.

Also, and as an aside, clearing away political corruption is easier said than done, and isn’t necessarily the solution to fiscal woes. Special interests are drawn to powerful government; decrease the size of government and provide disincentives for increasing it, and you get less special interests.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Libel against very political and public people? Get real.

AStoner Thursday, January 14th at 11:41PM EST (link)

I am not an investigator, a writer, a journo school person, law enforcement official, politician or anything that makes any matter to any of this. I am just a very disillusioned former Republican, current Tea Partier who is not willing to support the establishment group that calls itself conservative while acting much like a progressive movement sans the extreme political endeavors. With that said…

1) As I see it, the only reason these people are talking about Palin is that she is not going to CPAC, not that she is particularly going to TPN. I do not have a quote from Palin, but my understanding, is that it is because the person running CPAC asked FedEx for $2.1m in donations to some other group he is a part of in order for them to support some effort that would benefit FedEx, and if they did not get the $2.1M, then they would not support. When FedEx passed, so too did the support for FedEx’ initiative. The three bloggers have accepted this person’s explanation as to why this is not a corrupt pay to play instance, and seem to expect that everyone else should accept his explanation as well. So, in my view, there must be a reason why they are pushing so hard to protect CPAC, delegitimize TPN and with it Palin. My reasoning is that they have decided that corruption is part and parcel to the daily grind of politics and has to be accepted. Palin has no such feelings as far as I can tell.
2) GOProud promotes for same sex marriage. That pretty much covers the point. If a real conservative group drops out of CPAC and another threatens to because GOProud is a sponsor, I consider that to be significant enough to be called major.
3) See point 1. If the organizers do Pay for Play, as it seems one of them did, and CPAC supports this person as leader, then it in essence does support corruptness.
4) My understanding is that she did in fact make such a statement. It was part of the very first post from these three which I saw talking about TPN, Palin and CPAC. The author made a statement that Palin did not like the leader, and that she supposedly did not want to attend because she thought he was corrupt, but that the author talked to the dude and he allayed any worries.

The establishment brought us from the late 1990s of increasing government competence to the 00s of compassionate conservatism (aka liberal progressive light) and the corrupting influence that brought into the Republican party. I am not saying the Republican party was without corruption before, but it certainly seems that the new big government party became increasingly corrupt as it oversaw the largest increase in government expansion in decades, all during concurrent recessions and financial breakdowns.

Hinz Rule nt

aesthete (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 11:56PM EST (link)

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 
 

Put down your guns -- or your halos -- and step away from the Governor.

toughintn (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 9:54PM EST (link)

Sarah Palin is a human being who seems to like politics.
Good for her.

Let her succeed or fail on her own.
Let her rise to the top on her own merits or not.

If people could just (gasp!) ignore her for a bit, and let things unfold more naturally, we might find out what’s what.

The hand-wringing on both sides needs to stop.

 

Red State editor: Gee, some of Palin’s fans are awfully quick to attack critics

stewartiii Friday, January 15th at 12:39AM EST (link)

Hot Air — Red State editor: Gee, some of Palin’s fans are awfully quick to attack critics
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/14/red-state-editor-gee-some-of-palins-fans-are-awfully-quick-to-attack-critics/

 

I am starting to think that this is more a turf war than anything else.

AStoner Friday, January 15th at 1:54AM EST (link)

Dan Riehl
“What has been the issue causing some to question Sarah Palin is, if one knows how grassroots training should and shouldn’t be done to be cost-effective for attendees – the Nashville model is not it. And why Palin didn’t appreciate that issue remains a mystery to some of us, unfortunately. And it’s why I have been put in the difficult position of questioning whether she really understood the underlying dynamics involved here, or not.”

First off, Sarah Palin is nothing more than collateral damage in this run. These three were forced into attacking Palin because she gave TPN Tea Party cred.

It seems that if you want to put together a grassroots training seminar the only legitimate way is if you;
1) Get large special interests to fund you, that way prices for attending can be low. (we three are the pay czars in charge of determining what is and what is not cost effective)

2) Do not use capitalist market incentives in order to obtain the best and the brightest speakers for your event. (The market based approach is exactly what Tea Party are upset about in our current government maybe?)

3) Allow all diametrically, disruptive and condescending groups to attend. (You are not allowed to pick and chose who are allowed to attend or which media outlets are allowed into your private event, as being a discerning group is discrimination?)

Also from Dan Riehl
“And that grassroots is who people like Eric Erickson, Mellissa Clouthier and me are. So, the Palin fanatics can take their DC insider crap and shove it right back up where it came from in the first place. I couldn’t care less in that regard.”

So now we have the truth of the situation. These three people OWN the grassroots movement and how dare some upstart called the Tea Party Movement or TPN lay claim to their AstroTurfing rights. They have worked so hard for the last few years building their grassroots cred, and CPAC has given them essentially a license to operate, and thus, any other group is competition.

I think the pieces are starting to come together, and it seems that Dan Riehl and Erick Erickson are now establishment grassroots. What ever that means.

No you simpleton, they are just as much grassroots as you. That's the point you continually miss.

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 2:16AM EST (link)

Their disagreement on substance with Gov. Palin doesn’t change that. No matter how much that hurts your feelings. Instead of attacking Erickson, Reihl, and Clouthier, for having a different opinion than you, why don’t you just accept that the Tea Party and the Grassroots are a very diverse group. All of which are of one flavor or another of conservatism.

Erick, Reihl, and Clouthier’s desire to bypass the rather new, and possibly third party, TPN event in favor of attending CPAC, doesn’t equate to selling out. The strategy is to bring the Tea Party movement into CPAC and have our voices heard.

You choose to splinter off into unknown territory, and that is fine, but you can’t expect everyone else to follow. And you sure as heck shouldn’t be talking like the three have betrayed the republic. These three have been helping turn out conservative activist for years. Long before the Tea Party movement ever had legs.

Take a breath and act like an adult instead of a spoiled child, incapable of dealing with the simplest deviation from your own desires.

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

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Right on

aesthete (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 2:27AM EST (link)

AStoner reminds me of something else that Palin and Jesus have in common: gnostic “supporters”.

“The gn?sis referred to in the term is a form of mystic, revealed, esoteric knowledge through which the spiritual elements of humanity are reminded of their true origins within the superior Godhead, being thus permitted to escape materiality.”

Sound like anyone we know?

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Ouch!

merryj1 Friday, January 15th at 7:23AM EST (link)

Oh, Good one! Wish I’d said that. Heh.

I'm not really a Palin Supporter in this instance.

AStoner Friday, January 15th at 2:52PM EST (link)

As I said many times, it is more the attack on Tea Party movements that gets me pissed off. Palin is collateral damage in all this.

But as everyone has to say, I love Palin, but that is not what got my gut all twisted. It was nefarious innuendo/slander attacks against TPN that irritates me here.

As the argument continues, it becomes more and more clear that the reason these three sites are attacking TPN is not that TPN has done anything wrong, even though they might have, but because it is outside the reach of these three.

 
 
 
 
 

The Title Says It All

aposematic Friday, January 15th at 7:05AM EST (link)

As Jesus is condemned by the left so shall be Sara.

The left condemns the Tea-Parties and their supporters no matter what.

The left condemns Sara Palin no matter what.

So why would anyone (especially you) not expect the left to condemn this Nashville Tea-Party–no matter what is said or done by the Tea-Party supporters, promoters and its speakers?

Your critical intentions may be good…but I think nonsense.

The problem is: You start with the premise; do to the “format” of the Nashville Tea-Party and its promoters that criticism by the left could hurt Sara. When has the left not criticized, with hurtful intensions, Sara?

I trust Sara’s instincts as I believe her to be genuine. I also trust Bachmann’s instincts as I believe her to be genuine.

If the Nashville Tea-Party promoters are pulling some kind of scam, then your criticism of the NashvilleTea-Party is valid; if not…then not valid.

aposematic in VA

 

Where did this "ownership" come from?

merryj1 Friday, January 15th at 7:45AM EST (link)

If anyone has a “right” to claim authorship of the Tea Party thing, it seems like that would be Rick Santelli, the trader / CNN finance fellow who first threatened to “throw the (toxic) securities’ into the Chicago River (or was it Lake Michigan?) like “they did with the Boston Tea Party.”

The subsequent Tea Party “movement” was semi-spontaneous, joined by Republicans, Democrats and Independents of all stripes except far (radical) leftists. It’s a very loosely-knit coalition of Americans frustrated and demoralized by governmental overreach and non-responsiveness. Bickering over who “owns” it, or over some kind of fictitious “hierarchy” between Tea Partiers and CPAC, etc., is like arguing over whether a Rotary Club member should be “allowed” into a Chamber of Commerce meeting. It’s infantile and self-defeating.

What’s wrong with coming together where there’s common ground, and amiably stepping back where there isn’t? Lockstep belongs to Democrats and Marxists, not to rational, thinking people. This is the sort of nonsense that signals Republicans are, once again, determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Come on, People, think!

 

I have a little Red Star and a cap,

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 8:21AM EST (link)

…and from time to time I put it on, so I can read a stream from the point of view of the Enemy.

About Sarah Palin, I agree with EE. Right now she is an asset to conservatism and its purposes. That she may be an asset to the Republican Party has yet to be revealed. She will reveal herself in due course, so speculations now as to what she might do or should do is uninteresting to me.

The Enemy sees her as Bad News Incarnate., and that is a Good Thing.

If she, or the Tea Party Movement strikes out as a third party, that they will see as a Good Thing, in fact, a major victory, a major threat vanquished.

About the Tea Party Movement: from the very beginning we here (and I’m sure others) picked up vibes of a lot of private agendas by sponsors with money, organizers and self-appointed leaders. We saw millionaires reaching out to those same concerned citizens that have come to be known as the heart and soul of the Tea Party movement, and for that matter, America, as the Founders envisioned it.

Many envisioned a movement with themselves at the head of it. Call it vanity, call it the natural response of a person who pulled himself up by the boot straps and made $10 million, so now says to himself “I can lead.”

I can’t get into the hearts of those leaders. Some are as true blue as Job. Some are misquided, and some are out and out in it for their own vanities. Hell, do the math. In a city my size, there are at least a dozen, the Tea Party group sort of umbrella’ing the others. They have individual events where only 8-10 show up, and larger events where a few hundred turn out…and here in VA, there is nothing going on politically. They’re just staying active. This is also a Good Thing, and this the Enemy sees with disdain and fear.

From the beginning RedState has pushed a pursuit of local agenda, and participation, in part, because those are things that keep them active, involved, and “continue their education”, and establish a conservative base at the grass roots, while national or statewide politics are still out ther in the future. This the Enemy also sees with fear.

The hope we (my group, but also RedState, I think) had is that by primary time 2010 most of these groups would have melded into hopefully one, but possibly 2, more defined groups, on a state or congressional district level. Since people tend to go with what appears to be winners, this a natural tendency. This is populism turning orderly, on its own accord. This the Enemy sees with even more fear.

But for this to happen (again, do the math) we also know there has to be some bruised vanities along the way, even in twelve short months. Some guys have already taken their balls and gone home…and some have set up sniping and the petty kind of back-biting that naturally occurs in office promotions. Some are not willing to take one for the team because, in their heart of hearts, they never were really in it for the team. We all see this all the time, only in different contexts. In this the Enemy finds Hope.

SO, with my Red Star cap on, I’m seeing these thing unfold in a different way. For one, the Tea Party Movement was “unplanned” for and caught the Enemy unawares, and therefore has been able to create an energy they can no longer nip in the bud. But now, a year later, they are “planned for” and the first order of business is to sow discord among what the Enemy sees are natural divisions and fault lines in the movement as I just described above, with the ultimate purpose of spinning off into a Third Party, or simply causing thousands once again, as they did in ’06 and ’08, to stay home.

Never forget the Lawyer’s Prayer: Lord, I beseech You to stir up strife among these Thy children so that this Thy servant shall not perish. Amen.

(That many in the GOP may be praying this prayer as well I find a Bad Thing indeed.)

The Enemy is simply watching and practicing the fine arts of the world’s second oldest profession.

Keep this in mind, as you split the finer hairs of Sarah’s new doo.

55555 Outstanding Vassar. nt

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 9:33AM EST (link)

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 

Vassar, this should be its own post

Erick Erickson (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 9:41AM EST (link)

That way I could recommend it and then front it.

Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?

Thanks Erick...

Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 11:47AM EST (link)
 
 

Agree with Aaron, Vassar, outstanding!

janis (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 9:42AM EST (link)

The Tea Party name brand is too easy to co-opt. So perhaps it’s time to put the word out that the name itself stands for everything and nothing, it is the sense of freedom rising that means everything.

Concurrence is good.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 9:52AM EST (link)

Like Erick said. This deserves it’s own diary.

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OK Vassar, we are in agreement here, need this to be....

penguin2 (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 10:04AM EST (link)

it’s own post. Though I’ve cheated and already printed out a copy for myself. Your perspective and insight is invaluable.

Thank you.

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Fantastic!

merryj1 Friday, January 15th at 10:09PM EST (link)

Some of that is what I was trying to covey. You did it thoroughly and brilliantly. Kudos.

 

Thank you Vassar

jetman Saturday, January 16th at 3:43PM EST (link)

As a political new-born activist here in VA, I joined TPN in Fairfax in order to get more informed/involved. I was excited enough by Palin’s selection to get out and support a challenger to VA-8th’s Moron. Now I’m supporting people in other states too: NY 23rd and MA’s Brown. AND I attended the April 15 Tea Party gathering in the rain in D.C. My point is that the Tea Party events/organizations have finally given me a better than suspect Republican Party way to get my voice heard. The last time I worked as a Precinct Captain for Republicans was in 1978 – that’s how long it’s been since I saw anything local that I could support (nationally I supported Reagan). Vassar’s whole post was just what I needed to overcome the growing feeling I was having that the Tea Party was going downhill already. It’s not. It’s just what we needed to give the Enemy a case of heartburn. Thank you Vassar.

 
 

Division

olddog Friday, January 15th at 8:24AM EST (link)

will damn us all, via O’s plan, division really works for him, to tear the country apart and thus the freedom’s, a lot of us hold dear. Every day they come out with a new thing to divide us racially, by party, by belief’s, etc. Their plan is to destroy the middle class thus there will be the politically connected (Elitists) and the rest of us dependent on big Government. so, reconcile our differences. Divided We Fall!!
I too like Palin , but its a long way to 2012. Country first , not demigods, When your house is on fire you don’t start building additions, till you put the fire out, and we are in the middle of an inferno.
Support our Troops
One Old Dog

 

Palin Polish

Nexus Friday, January 15th at 9:07AM EST (link)

Sarah Palin is right on the issues. She needs to learn to be herself and not try to appear smart; we’ve had smart-politically, financially, and culturally, and smart has driven our country into the ground. Appearing on Fox will help.

Something about your comment doesn't ring true, Nexus.

janis (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 9:49AM EST (link)

Care to clarify? As in, just exactly what is it that Fox will help Sarah Palin with?

janis, I think you caught one here. Nice work for early

penguin2 (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 10:11AM EST (link)

in the morning. One comment with an account one year old. Insulting and implying, just a little too obvious Nexus. BTW, the ladies here are quite smart.

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Oh come on. Nexus has been here 1 year 4 months.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 10:28AM EST (link)

What? First post?

Maybe Nexus should make a second post answering janis’s questions.

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Being on Fox should help Palin.

realskinny (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 12:16PM EST (link)

Or will, if in her role as commentator, she comes across as thoughtful and informed. If she has the substance her admirers believe she has, the Fox platform gives her the opportunity to lay out her world view to the people without a media filter. A lot of non-admirers will be able to see the real Palin and not the Tina Fey character.

 
 
 
 

My name is JB, and I'm a Sarah-adorer

jbinvirginia Friday, January 15th at 9:18AM EST (link)

But, I’m recovering. Oh, I still love her – just for different reasons. It’s kind of like when you fall in love. You’re smitten at first and see none of the negatives – you also don’t really recognize strengths either. Today, after many months of wondering where Sarah Palin will end up, my husband helped bring clarity to my thoughts. He said, “Sarah Palin is a doer, not a talking head.” Yes. She is capable. That is one of her greatest qualities, and her record in AK proves that. She needs to be free to DO, which does not necessarily mean becoming president of the US. In my opinion, while I feel she could certainly do the job of president, we need her in a position to LEAD and DO. She accomplishes things, quickly. If the presidency offers such opportunity, then I’d say she should go for it. If it continues to be a talking-head position, then I say to her, “Find a powerful position in the Cabinet or in Congress or in the RNC or wherever!” and then get the heck out of her way.

 

What You See Is What You Get.

scubadiver49er Friday, January 15th at 9:44AM EST (link)

Quoting Erick: “I said this again yesterday on a podcast with Dr. Melissa Clothier. I’ve also added repeated (and I’ve used this comparison frequently) that with Obama, most people are coming away disappointed in that who he actually is is quite a bit different from the hopey-changey vessel of good tidings people assumed he was. With Palin, a lot of people got it right — she’s a solid Christian, a real agent of change, a threat to the secular left and feminist movement because she can carry a baby and think at the same time, etc. That’s the benefit of being an honest Alaskan instead of a Manchurian candidate”.

IMHO, this is why SP is so popular. She is smart, tells you like it is, & what she is thinking and wears her heart on her sleeve. Real honesty, and that is why I believe so many people relate to her. And all the negative stuff that comes out, is from those who listen to the the left wing whackos spewing untrue venom about her, and then the rest of the left wing populus picking up on this crap, with no real truth to any of it. The left can’t stand her because she is so different from them. I for one am glad she took the Fox gig. She will now have her chance to prove them all wrong, and show them how smart she really is and how well she relates to all decent Americans across this country, Go Sarah!!!!!

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Palin is an AMERICAN, in capitals.

realskinny (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 12:26PM EST (link)

Palin could go almost anywhere in the world and be spotted as an American in seconds. This is a quality hated by the Left. It is part and parcel of their pathological hatred for the USA and for everything it’s ever stood.

 
 

Non Tea Partiers still don't get it!

mosander Friday, January 15th at 10:22AM EST (link)

Sometimes I will ask someone what they think the Tea Partier/Patriot groups want. They almost never get it right. So I will will put it out here.

1. Ethical adherence to Christian principles as listed in the 10 commandments. History states the Constitution was framed around these and God given rights.
2. Upholding, by not voting in opposition to the laws set down by the US Constitution. (They all swear they will, then don’t- except Ron Paul).
3. Fiscal restraint – balanced budgets and less government.
4. Religous freedom where Jesus Christ can be mentioned without sanctions.
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When did the Tea Party groups agree to a platform?

Christine (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 10:29AM EST (link)

I’m on their mailing lists and have attended multiple events, and I don’t recall being invited to vote on a platform.

The primary process is FLAWED. Two states should not decide our candidate.

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I think mosander is projecting.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 11:05AM EST (link)

He’s trying to assign his own reasons for being in the movement onto everyone else in the movement.

The Tea Party movement is a blank slate with perhaps 1 defining feature. Initially the protests were against the huge porkulous package. The people were tired of the government wasting money and more money and still more money.

Most of the attenders also like liberty and want the government out of as much of our lives as possible. Many decided that they should remain politically active.

That’s about where the limit is to “What Tea Partiers want” being a complete statement.

After that, there are several groups that were involve in the Tea Parties that have their own agendas. For example:

The Campaign for Liberty is a Ron Paul oriented group that was the main organizer in my area. They want an audit of the Fed, a return to the gold standard, an end to corruption, a return to the constitution, and a stop to the “robber barons”.

There’s the 9/12 groups which follow the Glen Beck principles.

There’s the various groups who claim to be the “real” Tea Party leaders. None of them are.

There’s the Republican party which isn’t directly involved, but at least tacitly supports the movement and wants to encourage more involvement by small government freedom loving people.

And on and on.

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I'm a little bit worried about Jesus Christ getting invoved in this national Tea Party thing.

jayburd (Diary) Saturday, January 16th at 7:22AM EST (link)

I mean, It just smells, I have a bad feeling, If I don’t say it……maybe Sarah can multiply the fishes and loaves so they don’t have to charge at the door!

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The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The
difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the
money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%.Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People.” – Thomas A. Edison

 
 

Erick, Palin herself

wyllyness Friday, January 15th at 12:07PM EST (link)

would agree with you. She gets it.

 

REPEAL NINETEENTH AMENDMENT

miroco Friday, January 15th at 1:22PM EST (link)

How can I allow such a thought to exist when I want Sarah and Michelle B for pres and VP? Give official titles but Anne Coulter and Laura Ingraham as warrior princesses. Yes, I can go on, Michelle Malkin and SE Cupp for anything they want. Where did all the empty heads who voted for “the chosen one” because he is cute, come from, another gender? No wonder our pal Erich is conflicted!!!

I can't quite decide if this is an attempt at irony...

mschmitt (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 1:45PM EST (link)

… a cry for help, or something… else.

usque ad finem

 
 

Glenn Beck's Recent Interview With Sarah Palin

greyhairandgreymatter Friday, January 15th at 2:14PM EST (link)

Hello Glenn,

Unfortunately, Glenn, as an avid fan your currently sounding like Senator Foghorn detracts from your usual amiable flamboyant demeanor, and I certainly hope you get over your bout with laryngitis very soon. Naturally, along with millions of other Americans, I watched your one hour “special interview” with Sarah Palin and, quite frankly, I was somewhat disappointed because I respectfully believe it wasn’t one of your usual shining, creative and entertaining broadcast moments. Why?

While I thought your choice of the backdrop with the Statue of Liberty in the background was brilliant/perfect, I also respectfully believe the pace of your proverbial “fireside chat” was uncharacteristically too slow, schmaltzy, and most of all boring punctuated with a capital “B!”.

While a leopard can’t change its spots, and obviously Sarah Palin will neither be quite as sharp, nor noticeably as well-informed as Newt Gingrich, e.g., nonetheless, in my opinion if Sarah’s going to continue to connect and to resonate politically with the American people she’s definitely got to become much more articulate and much less vapid.

Meanwhile, Glenn, with kind personal regards, I remain…

Cordially yours,

GreyHair and GreyMatter

PS. As a registered Republican for almost a half-century has anyone heretofore seriously and constructively suggested to Sarah that she needs to read “The Great Books of the Western World” during the next three years? Quite frankly, I think it would be of significant benefit, and from Sarah’s learning experience it would do the American people a definite favor too!

Duck and cover, greyhair! nt

Achance (Diary) Friday, January 15th at 2:51PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

 

Beck explained some of that

merryj1 Friday, January 15th at 10:21PM EST (link)

On O’Reilly, about his Palin interview, Beck said she “is the most guarded (wrong word, but I don’t recall the exact quote)” person he’s ever met, explaining that she’s (apparently) so busy looking for the ‘gotcha’ traps (it manifests as uncertainty). Let’s face it, she’s been sand-bagged so many times and from such unexpected (to her) quarters over the past year and a half, she can’t really trust anything or anyone at face value.

I think she’ll overcome it. The Fox contributor gig should serve her well.

 
 

Good post

hgluter Friday, January 15th at 5:10PM EST (link)

I read your original post because I, too, am a Sarah Palin fan. It’s interesting to me that people attacked you. My take, not knowing the meetings players or Governor Palin’s plans, was that the Governor may have made a serious mistake. I was hoping that she did not. However, I could see no reason or need to criticize you on your post. Rather, it brought out a perspective of which I was not aware. Remember what the Rockman from The Point said: “you see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to hear.” Those that don’t want to see other sides are sure to get blind sided.

This post was not so bad.

AStoner Friday, January 15th at 9:30PM EST (link)

But the lead up to this post went from Dan Riehl to Erick to Dan Riehl to Erick to Dan Riehl to Melissa and now back to Erick with one more follow up from Dan Riehl which I quoted in my latter reply.

Dan Riehl started with innuendo against the TPN and the questioning of the motives of Palin and her credibility on her reasoning for skipping CPAC. He went on to lay out several unsubstantiated claims about how the TPN was likely being run by dishonest people.

Erick pretty much went with the same line of attack, but for what it is worth, he did not get into as much detail about why he did not like TPN, but that Palin should know better than to trust some new upstart group that could possibly be corrupt.

It went back and forth a couple times, on each site, each time trying to calm the waters a bit, but never walking back the innuendo and unsubstantiated claims (which, if they are not substantiated in my mind must mean that the attacker is just simply trying to sew seeds of distrust or delegitimize the group). Melissa then stepped in to defend Erick and Dan at Pajamas Media and again went the route of attacking TPN. This current post came up after Melissa’s post.

I have exactly no connection to TPN, other than I think that Tea Party groups should not have to deal with being attacked by supposed conservatives unless there is substantiated and factual proof of wrongdoing. Having these three gang up on what so far shows to be an up and up group wanting to put forward conservative, original meaning, constitutional ideals by training tea party activist leaders just feels like betrayal to me. So what if they do not follow the tried and true old ways of grassroots training? Up until last year there was no real valuable grassroots movements, so experimentation should be a welcome endeavor, not a shunned and attacked one. Each area of the Tea Party is on its own, and should have as many corridors as possible available to realize the goals that each group individually endeavors for.

 
 

"What do Sarah Palin and Jesus Christ have in common?

jayburd (Diary) Saturday, January 16th at 6:56AM EST (link)

A best-selling ghost-written autobiography.

One of my heroes- Ralph Smeed’s blog- http://smeedonstate-ism.com/index.htm

“What’s the matter? Don’t you want to win the war?” – Capt. John Birch

“If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill.
The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The
difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the
money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%.Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People.” – Thomas A. Edison

Hardy, har har....

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, January 16th at 7:10AM EST (link)

despite the sarcasm of my comment title, I can (as both a Catholic and a Palin (not Palin-bot nor Palin-hater, somewhere between) fan) laugh at that despite the potential implications… I’ll take it as the levity I hope you intended. (personal Sense of Humor – we do have to have a Sense-of-humor about ourselves (and remember: Don’t be like Democrats – actual “humor” versus just plain mean comments Sykes’ “Limbaugh’s Kidneys Fail” comment))

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

Well at least you didn't call me a "fool" or a "nut".

jayburd (Diary) Saturday, January 16th at 7:40AM EST (link)

That would be mean wouldn’t it?
I will admit that after having to look at the other candidates for Guv on t.v. constantly (especially Murkowski) I almost voted for Palin on the hot factor alone.
Would admitting that I voted for Ed Clark in 1980 get me banned?

One of my heroes- Ralph Smeed’s blog- http://smeedonstate-ism.com/index.htm

“What’s the matter? Don’t you want to win the war?” – Capt. John Birch

“If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill.
The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The
difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the
money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%.Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People.” – Thomas A. Edison

I could ask: Since you'll be struck down dead soon, who will Ghost-write your Obit?

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, January 16th at 8:14AM EST (link)

That would be a Wanda Sykes like retort ;-) lol….. All I’m saying, based on the one comment of yours (above), I see no reason to be hostile to/with you about/over it…. However, if you’re purposefully looking to dance along the edge toward banning I’m sure a Mod will be more than happy to keep an eye on your comment history closely and swing the blam-stick. We are used to Trolls/Mobies/DailyKooks coming looking to make fools of themselves and be banned, as they are incapable of having any real discussions…. There are some Liberals we are more than happy to engage with respectfully. Not bothered to formulate an opinion (again, other than based upon your one comment above) as to what your “intentions” might be here.

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)