Okay, okay. I know a lot of you know about this already.
For about a week I have been getting emails about Barack Obama surrendering American sovereignty to Interpol, the international criminal police force under the UN’s jurisdiction, but I honestly couldn’t believe even Obama would do that.
The people emailing me were, frankly, mostly of the black helicopter crowd variety so I dismissed it is as overhyped.
Then RedState regulars like Kenny Soloman and Veronica Estrada started taking it seriously. I had to pay attention.
Finally, I got an email with several links from a friend saying I needed to say something about this. He wanted to make sure it was on my radar screen.
This is an extremely serious issue.
The best and most reasonable take comes from Andy McCarthy. Let me put this in perspective for you.
American law enforcement agencies at the local, state, and federal level are bound by open records act laws. At the federal level, the Freedom of Information Act applies.
Knowing that an intrepid reporter can, after establishing credible sources, file a judicially enforcible FOIA request to obtain information from a law enforcement agency is one of the chief deterrents to law enforcement agencies from abusing discretionary power.
Additionally, Interpol is a foreign power, but operates out of the U.S. Department of Justice inside the United States. While Interpol has some limited immunities given by Ronald Reagan in the early 1980′s, it does not — or at least did not until last week — have immunity from the 4th Amendment. Consequently, this international agency could, should it abuse its powers, have the federal government seize its assets, etc.
In other words, the international police organization Interpol was treated like every other law enforcement agency in America — it was subject to FOIA requests and could, like any arm of a municipal, county, state, or federal government agency, have its property taken by the federal government if it crossed the boundaries of criminal law protection for the accused.
For no discernible reason whatsoever, last Wednesday when no one was looking, Barack Obama signed an executive order giving all immunities of foreign powers to Interpol.
In other words, Interpol is now in a better position than any American law enforcement institution that operates on American soil. It cannot have its records searched or seized and it is not subject to the restraints of sunshine and transparency that FOIA requests can bring.
At a time when Obama is worried about ensuring the rights of terrorists against the abuses of the American government, he has no problem surrendering American rights to an arm of the United Nations.
This is extremely important because it comports with Barack Obama’s world view in ways harmful to American sovereignty. Obama has said repeatedly that he views no nation as greater than any other nation. He has said repeatedly that one nation should not be able to impose its will on another. He applies this even to the United States.
In Barack Obama’s world, the United States is no better and no worse than Iran, China, North Korea, or Kenya. In his world view, we are all players on an international stage with the United Nations as the leader. Therefore, while Obama will not give up American sovereignty to Peru, he is perfectly happy to give up sovereignty to the United Nations.
The man is not just an amateur. He is also a damnably naive fool.
This is also a backdoor to the International Criminal Court (“ICC”). The United States chose, before Obama took office, to avoid the ICC. Interpol has become the law enforcement arm of the ICC. By taking away the limits to Interpol’s immunity in the United States, Barack Obama has freed the organization up to conduct criminal investigations of individuals inside the United States on behalf of the ICC without any of us knowing about it.
And who does the ICC want to investigate? The lawyers, CIA operatives, and soldiers who have defended the United States in the War on Terror by setting up GTMO and prosecuting the war. These men and women now have yet another deterrent to keep them from being fully effective — the fear of an international criminal investigation that they don’t even know about.
How many Americans will get killed because of the policies Barack Obama is employing to undermine our safety and security in a dangerous world?
KnightsofMalta
Dan Spencer
Moe Lane
Steve Maley
Dan McLaughlin
Caleb Howe
The problem with the Black Helicopter crowd is that like the National Enquirer; sometimes they are right nt
RoguePolitics (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 1:53PM EST (link)“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell
“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers
When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry
http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.
http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.
"Black Helicopter Crowd?"
brutarius Tuesday, December 29th at 2:01PM EST (link)Although I appreciate you bringing this treasonous act to light, I do have a question: Why didn’t you read the original documents that the “black helicopter crowd” were mentioning in their emails? Or, failing that, you could have simply gone to the White House Web site and reviewed the Executive Orders, then dismissed or confirmed the reports. It’s easy to find Obama’s EO and compare it with Reagan’s EO. That’s what I did last week, and verified the information in rather short order.
Does a story have validity only if “RedState Regulars” mention it?
RoguePolitics is right when he writes that “sometimes the black helicopter crowd” is correct, but that’s simply another way of saying “sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut.” As someone who does intense amounts of research into topics would you say fall under the rubric of “black helicopters,” the truth is that the peope you dismiss as the “BH crowd” are not only sometimes correct, but increasingly so.
Sorry, but
Erick Erickson (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:04PM EST (link)When I get 2000 emails a day and a good many are from LaRouchies who are convinced the Queen of England runs a drug cartel and INTERPOL is on the march via black helicopters, I don’t follow the links.
It doesn’t take “RedState regulars,” but it does take people who haven’t established themselves in my email inbox as crazy.
Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?Follow @EWErickson
You're All Wrong, Its the NEOCONS!!
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:08PM EST (link)I knew it. Obama is a stooge for the corporate right.
This isn’t about interpol at all. Interpol will probably contract their police duties to Black Water. Dick Cheney’s private army is probably amassing in Iraq right now. They are probably waiting to stage a coup and insert Jeb Bush as president. This whole interpol thing is an elaborate neocon conspiracy. Its the corporations that are doing this with the help of Bush and Cheney, Halliburton and the Bilderbergers. Obama is just an innocent, well intentioned stooge. Those neocons. Those damned neocons.
I willl get you Cheney. I will get you.
It's not Cheney
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:58PM EST (link)I have it from a reputable source (Okay, it’s the HuffPo) that this goes much deeper; the mastermind of this plan is none other than reincarnated Reagan. Keep it on the down low; don’t want the Lizard People to get ahold of this info.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Hah, it's working
Raven (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:23PM EST (link)El Rushbo has ya’ll looking under every rock for imaginary leaders of the Counter-revolution. He’s going to lead his armies of Ditto-Bots…
…Wait, I think I may have said too much…
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
That's not exactly what I meant about the Black Helicopter crowd
RoguePolitics (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:19PM EST (link)The problem with the BH crowd is that they see a conspiracy in everything. The fact they they are constantly looking is a good thing but when they trot out too many Bush/alien secret conference photos or Bohemian conclaves, it tends to discredit the legitimate finds.
They were the guys who brought out the rightwing terrorist (MIAC?)DHS list. Course the problem with that list is most RS’ers seem to agree Ron Paul and Bob Barr supporters are terrorists.
The government offering training to pastors on which scriptures to use to keep congregations in line if martial law is declared.
The Canadian police use of agents provocateur to instigate violence at a GATT conference.
These proved true.
It might be fruitful to tell them to batten down their hatches a little but some of them have already battened them down a little to tight.
“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell
“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers
When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry
http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.
http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.
That's not exactly what I meant about the Black Helicopter crowd
RoguePolitics (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:19PM EST (link)The problem with the BH crowd is that they see a conspiracy in everything. The fact they they are constantly looking is a good thing but when they trot out too many Bush/alien secret conference photos or Bohemian conclaves, it tends to discredit the legitimate finds.
They were the guys who brought out the rightwing terrorist (MIAC?)DHS list. Course the problem with that list is most RS’ers seem to agree Ron Paul and Bob Barr supporters are terrorists.
The government offering training to pastors on which scriptures to use to keep congregations in line if martial law is declared.
The Canadian police use of agents provocateur to instigate violence at a GATT conference.
These proved true.
It might be fruitful to tell them to batten down their hatches a little but some of them have already battened them down a little to tight.
“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell
“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers
When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry
http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.
http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.
Not terrorists, just fools who help elect Democrats
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:13PM EST (link)by siphoning off votes from the Republicans.
In Vino Veritas
I agree with that point
RoguePolitics (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:37PM EST (link)But really they are in about the same position as blacks are in the Democratic party. They are expected to shut up and vote even though the party that purports to support their concerns only pays basic lip service to them.
I understand how they feel. As a social conservative I get sneered at by the party leadership as well. Of course many fiscal conservatives (I fit that category also) receive the same at the hands of social conservatives.
We can easily travel together for a long way before the issues we are currently fighting over need to be fought over.
The education issue is a perfect example. We obviously disagree on the proper role of the state in education but we can probably both agree it is not something the federal govenrment has a legitimate role in. Let’s get them out of it and then we can each advocate in our respective states for what we think at that point. That is what federalism is all about.
“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell
“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers
When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry
http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.
http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.
"The nuts are coming out of the woodwork today."-Achance
jayburd (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 11:37PM EST (link)It just so happens that the “nuts” and “kooks” (as Limbaugh calls them) predicted this around, oh, FIFTY YEARS AGO! You know the types, the people who rode around in cars with insane bumper stickers that said crazy, nutty stuff like “Support Your Local Police” while warning people about the Federalization of local P.D.s. The same people who were Goldwater’s core constituency, while the rest of the party didn’t want to look too extreme in the defense of liberty. So all you people who were either sleeping or Democrats since then, go ahead and yuk it up. And Achance, please give me a list of Republican candidates who you think are extreme enough in the defense of liberty. Somebody the “nuts” can vote for.
One of my heroes- Ralph Smeed’s blog- http://smeedonstate-ism.com/index.htm
“What’s the matter? Don’t you want to win the war?” – Capt. John Birch
“If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill.
The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The
difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the
money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%.Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People.” – Thomas A. Edison
jayburd- I won't even try to speak for Achance
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 11:00AM EST (link)but, having been here a long enough time to get to know him, his choices of Republican candidates would far outweigh the “nuts and kooks” you seem to favor.
Please don't speak for him
jayburd (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 5:27PM EST (link)or make assumptions on his behalf, but go ahead and quote him, like I have done. I’m not sure how one can follow the rules of this site and be “respectful” while ridiculing posters(“nuts”). I prefer to respond to, or ignore, the message, instead of ridiculing the messenger. Unless of course, I am afraid of the message, then I might resort to Alinsky tactics.
One of my heroes- Ralph Smeed’s blog- http://smeedonstate-ism.com/index.htm
“What’s the matter? Don’t you want to win the war?” – Capt. John Birch
“If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill.
The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The
difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the
money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%.Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People.” – Thomas A. Edison
Please supply a single link to any RS diary or comment
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:53PM EST (link)where Paul/Barr supporters are equated with terrorists.
First you invoke Godwin’s Law. Now you make specific statements about RS posters that are a flat out lie.
You’ll find no shortage of people here, me included, who think Paul and Barr (especially Paul) are damn fools, naive to the max and generally incapable of rational thought. I’ve never seen a comment or diary that supports your outrageous statement.
clearly, Hawaiian-Indonesian-Chicago candidates are worse than the Manchurian variety - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:44PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Sorry Becker. I didn't realize tongue in cheek had to be explained
RoguePolitics (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:48PM EST (link)As for Godwin’s Law I didn’t invoke it. Apparently I ran afoul of it.
But then assuming I am correct in my comparison, which I obviously think I am, then I hit the escape clause in Godwin’s Law and should be let off with at most a slap on the wrist.
I know, I know, tell it to the judge right?
“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell
“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers
When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry
http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.
http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.
When doing tongue in cheek it's best
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 11:18PM EST (link)that it’s obvious. We get quoted. And stuff like that is toxic as hell.
Impeach.
Loren Heal (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:05PM EST (link)“Everyone’s thinkin’ it, I just said it.”
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Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.
Yes, it would seem pretty straightforward.
larueladue (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:23PM EST (link)This executive order effectively circumvents and/or nullifies Constitutional rights, so this should be proof of violating his oath to protect and preserve the Constitution.
This order in no way preserves, protects nor defends the Constitution of the United States.
Congress should give him 10 days to nullify the order, or face articles of impeachment for violating his oath of office.
Constitution! Yes! 55555!
GregInFla (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 8:38PM EST (link)You are so correct! Who can argue against this?
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
Unfortunately, just about every Democratic Congressman.
larueladue (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 11:30AM EST (link)There is no way any sort of articles of impeachment would get enough votes. I realized this when I posted the comment… But it would be nice. One can dream….
As Mel Laird said to Pres. Nixon, "They don't need evidence to impeach,
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:43PM EST (link)they just need votes.” And we don’t have the votes and aren’t going to get any Democrats to vote with us.
In Vino Veritas
Of course, Achance.
Loren Heal (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:47PM EST (link)People wonder what constitutes an impeachable offense, and the answer is that it’s the only place in our government where an ex post facto prosecution is not only allowed, but mandated.
My comment is just the first beat of the proverbial drum.
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Join the Concord Project, and follow @lheal, if you dare.
A Chance???
scubadiver49er Tuesday, December 29th at 3:00PM EST (link)What Barry has done in the first year is unbelievable, and now this? As mentioned above, with his “progressives” and RINO’s in charge there’s not enough votes to get it done. So now what? Wait until 2012? By then the damage will have already been done, and very likely irreversible. Barry and his INTERPOL “Praetoreans” there to purge all who stands in the emperor’s way. Unbelievable. You couldn’t dream this stuff up even if you tried! Who ever heard of the Constitution and what it stands for anyways?
“I Just Can’t Wait to be King” – Simba from “The Lion King”, 1994
Barry Soetoro – ???
We must not forget the Obama is a big UN fan.
TNJim (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:07PM EST (link)I don’t really consider myself part of the “black helicopter” crowd, definitely not the “tin-foil” hat crowd, but we must now seriously consider what freedoms of movement the UN and their agencies have in other countries that they don’t have here yet.
Black helicopters don’t concern me yet, but blue helmets do.
Those blue helmets are almost all worn
Raven (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:28PM EST (link)By US soldiers. I do not fear US soldiers.
Interpol, however…
If ever Obama wanted to come knocking on our doors, That’s exactly who he’d use to do the knocking.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
Resistance.....
drbob1988 Tuesday, December 29th at 5:48PM EST (link)to this tyranny is solidified by this kind of action. I have never considered myself a “black helicopter” kind of guy, however, this Obama character is causing many that never bothered to take notice and to be more aware, and prepare. This can only be counter productive for the current El presidente. If our elected representatives don’t stand up for us we will replace them, that’s a fact jack!
This excellent point backs up what Erick is saying above.
RoguePolitics (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:33PM EST (link)A group of people who will almost certainly have access to the very best surveillance technology DOJ has to offer and we will never know what they are doing.
“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell
“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers
When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry
http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.
http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.
I found the EO before Christmas on the 22nd and posted about it
Common_Cents (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 2:21PM EST (link)here:
http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2009/12/22/obamas-ammendment-to-executive-order-re-interpol/
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
Black Helicopters
lnthomp Tuesday, December 29th at 2:56PM EST (link)I don’t normally consider myself part of the black helicopter/tin-foil hat crowd. However: When Iran first started using excessive violence to control and eliminated dissent over their election, and Obama failed to condemn such acts for days, I came to the conclusion that Obama didn’t want to condemn such activities because he wants to use the same tactics against those in America who criticize him. He hasn’t yet created an environment where he can get away with doing so, but I still believe that is what he wants to do, and will do if he ever does believe he can get away with it.
Now, where is that tin-foil?
This too shall pass
Lee T.
USN (ret)
Oregon City, OR
This is pretty bad
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:01PM EST (link)On virtually any individual freedom metric imaginable. Hey, anti-Patriot Act people who voted for Obama: happy now?
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Oh, aesthete, you know Comrade Obama will only let Interpol loose on bad people.
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:24PM EST (link)So, no Obama supporter has anything to worry about.
In Vino Veritas
Just like Comrade Stalin never allowed the state security apparatus to harm any loyal Communists NT
David123 (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:05PM EST (link)David123
But remember who it was that determined who
throwback59 Tuesday, December 29th at 10:12PM EST (link)was loyal.
Serious question, please help me understand . . .
cardcarryingmom (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:08PM EST (link)When do the actions of this potus become treason? What is said in law about how SCOTUS deals with treason?
Proud member of the Robert Morris Society
Precisely when
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:23PM EST (link)60 Democratic Senators are willing to vote to impeach.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Thank you for answering.
cardcarryingmom (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:06PM EST (link)Clearly, it’s not the answer I was hoping for.
Proud member of the Robert Morris Society
Thank you for answering.
cardcarryingmom (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:06PM EST (link)Clearly, it’s not the answer I was hoping for.
Proud member of the Robert Morris Society
Small correction here
gunnerbs (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 5:01PM EST (link)the House of Representatives votes to impeach. The Senate has the power to convict, and it takes 2/3 of the members present. I would assume they’d all be present, so 67 members must vote to convict.
Pres. Clinton was impeached. He was not convicted.
I start with the premise that NO ONE has a right to my Life, Liberty, or Property. Beyond that I’m open to discussion.
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When you send a contribution to the candidate you support, send a copy of the check, or at least a note to his or her opponent, telling them why your money didn’t go there!
Thanks for the correction
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 6:29PM EST (link)I’m very rusty on the specifics of impeachment, thanks for putting up accurate info. Well, there: when 40 Republicans and 27 Dems vote to convict.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Serious question, please help me understand . . .
cardcarryingmom (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:08PM EST (link)When do the actions of this potus become treason? What is said in law about how SCOTUS deals with treason?
Proud member of the Robert Morris Society
Probably very little because...
jnoeagle Saturday, January 2nd at 1:06PM EST (link)No one expected the electorate to vote en=masse for a traitor. Is he a Manchurian Candidtate who was elected? Perhaps. Was he imported from Kenya by way of Hawaii? Perhaps. Is he a graduate of the Chicago school of bare-knuckle politics? Weelllll – more likely an undergraduate now working on his senior thesis project! If we vote for his group in 2010 and for all of them in 2012, he will get his degree and great honors – for destroying America.
Who does he really represent?
What will congressional Republicans do about this?
RedBeard Tuesday, December 29th at 3:09PM EST (link)My guess is that only a handful are aware and concerned, while the majority just want to get back to D.C. and the clubby life of the political elites. “My distinguished colleague” and so forth. On to cocktail hour, dinner, the spa, tennis, fact-finding missions to Aruba, whatever. And yes, before anyone condemns me for being cynical, mea culpa.
Obama’s ultra-leftist one-world agenda must be derailed. House and Senate Republicans had better start taking this stuff very seriously, and recognize that the other side is not going to be playing nice, no matter what Republicans do. This is political war, with the fate of our republic at stake.
Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
they will be very angry
kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:13PM EST (link)and they will write a letter saying so.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Or taunt someone a second time - hamsters and elderberries, etc. (nt)
RedBeard Tuesday, December 29th at 3:19PM EST (link)Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.
I love Team America n/t
ceili_dancer (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:30PM EST (link)n/t
This is an area where Republican Governors and Legislatures
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:20PM EST (link)have some real power. We need to be thinking of was that our states can refuse to confer these immunities. I think it would be great fun to have state police arrest some INTERPOL agent for violating that state’s constitution.
In a sane world, you’d be able to bring a 1983 action against anyone who used color of office to deprive an American citizen of their Constitutional rights, but no US Attorney would take it up.
In Vino Veritas
I can't type today! s/b: "... thinking of what our ..." nt
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:21PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
Achance- Wouldn't this be something like
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:17PM EST (link)a treaty? And, if so, I read here and elsewhere that Obama did not have the authority to sign any treaty’s at Copenhagen. It would have to be approved by the Senate I believe. If so, I wonder if this wasn’t slipped in one of the many bills he was signing such as the, fill in the blanks stimulus bill.
The device was an Executive Order and I don't know federal law
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:32PM EST (link)on what the limits of the Executive’s authority are. Trouble is; nobody at the federal level is going to challenge him and even a state is going to have to get into the federal courts, so we’d best be praying for the good health of the more conservative members of the USSC. If it is something that would require Senate approval, he’s got 60.
Been a long time since I took any procedure courses, but I think some disputes between a state and the US go to the DC Circuit first and some can go straight to the USSC. Somebody who lives in that world should chime in.
In Vino Veritas
Does he really have 60 in the Senate?
GregInFla (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 8:47PM EST (link)They barely got Obamacare passed. How do you bribe Senators to vote in favor of a guilty President?
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
They're all Democrats first, Americans second. nt
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 9:00PM EST (link)In Vino Veritas
I understand, Art
GregInFla (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 10:33PM EST (link)but there is no public money to use to bribe the Dems. And this is freedom we are talking about. I realize healthcare was too, but I really want to believe that there are some freedom-lovers on the flyover states with (D)’s after their names won’t go along with this treason.
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
It is the problem of making safe seats;
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 11:10PM EST (link)for the last twenty years or so, enormous effort has gone into laying out the “safe” seats and the minority seats. Most of the “old boys” in Congress couldn’t be taken out with dynamite. The only seats in play are seats in demographic or economic transition and those just depend on who has the best commercials. Last two time, the Democrats found themselves some candidates that looked good and could talk like Republicans, add a dash of money and you get the so-called Blue Dogs. Most Democrats could vote to surrender to Iran, enslave all Republican voters, confiscate all privately held property, AND STILL GET RE-ELECTED.
In Vino Veritas
Art, you forget a few Dem activities
GregInFla (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 11:33PM EST (link)like having affairs with pages and taking them on overdeas trips, and STILL get re-elected several times.
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
Sec.1983 Only Applies To Local Cops
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:40PM EST (link)It has no teeth. Sovreign immunity even exempts state cops.
Many of the really cool states have largely waived
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:47PM EST (link)their sovereign immunity – like mine. The only thing I ever really wanted to know about civil rights law was the phone number of somebody who knew about it, but I know 1983 actions have been filed against all sorts of State officers here. Can’t say that I know how any of them turned out or would have turned out if they’d gone to trial. Most of the time these things are just a shakedown and my State is extremely reluctant to face a jury.
In Vino Veritas
Probably All Lost Causes
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:58PM EST (link)Courts have interpreted common law sovreign immunity to apply to 1983. I used to work for a commie 1983 lawyer.
Swamp_Yankee, from our discussion of S1983, you might
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 7:29PM EST (link)find this interesting: http://www.adn.com/3138/story/1073051.html?pageNum=9&&&&&&&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container
The case arose on my watch, actually I was still a merit system supervisor in early Jan. 2003. Thankfully, the union essentially abandoned him and I never had to deal with this one in arbitration.
In Vino Veritas
Executive Order's Can Be Revoked On A Dime
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:48PM EST (link)Just make hay of the issue. Expose Obama for what he is a socialist traitor. Use it for political purposes. And wait until a Republican is elected. A stroke of the pen and this thing is history.
But is there anyway to force a court review of one.
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:56PM EST (link)I know that under Alaska law a complaint that the EO exceeds the Governor’s authority is reviewable by the courts and the Governor is subject to strict scrutiny. Don’t know a thing about the federal executive on stuff like this.
In Vino Veritas
Probably massive standing issues
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 5:04PM EST (link)NGOs typically only have standing to sue about things when Democrats have written it into the law that they can.
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Judging The Nutroots Efforts; I'd Say Fighting Executive Order's Is Tough
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 5:05PM EST (link)I really dont know.
But if anyone knows that stuff its would be the Nutroots. They’ve spent the last eight years fighting Bush’s executive orders. They hated him for it. Made a big deal of it. Fought them tooth and nail.
Over eight years, it never seemed like they got anywhere with their fights despite their billions of dollars and lawyers.
Exactly..........
lunarmanathome (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 11:53PM EST (link)and the effects of this change to the EO are still subject to court scrutiny. No matter what people think, the actions of all law enforcement regardless of origin, are subject to review and action.
Any international criminal types posting here want to be the guinea pig? lol
I am not comfortable with my conclusion
strategerist (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:15PM EST (link)Just posting this makes me really uncomfortable, but this is what I see as the logical conclusion:
1. If any INTERPOL agent tries to take an American citizen into custody, that American now knows with certainty that he is essentially being abducted by foreign agents who are utterly unaccountable and utterly immune to any and all violations of their rights.
2. Any response, up to and including lethal force is, at that point, justified as you have ZERO assurance that you will not be tortured, raped, sold, killed outright, extradited to a foreign power, etc.
Not that INTERPOL would not come after you with more than enough force to ensure compliance, but you never know – maybe they will just send a couple Belgian thugs in trench coats.
If they attempt to take you somewhere, it is kidnapping. If they attempt to subdue you, it is assault.
The fact is, they may be immune from prosecution, but they are not immune from our right to defend our selves.
So if a few goons try to take someone in for questioning and their miscalculation results in an armed response, what are the consequences? A local authority could rule that the citizen was acting within their rights, but what about the international issues?
I am having trouble not using a lot of very bad words right now.
That armed response you mention...
nessa (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:23PM EST (link)…is undoubtedly the next item to be “taken care of.”
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Logical Conclusion???
scubadiver49er Tuesday, December 29th at 3:26PM EST (link)“Diplomatic Immunity”!!!!!!!! From “Lethal Weapon 2″ I can still hear him saying that.
“I Just Can’t Wait to be King” – Simba from “The Lion King”, 1994
Barry Soetoro – ???
Of course, might be funny if some Local LEOs
Raven (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:29PM EST (link)were to, you know, arrest the Interpol agents for kidnapping, among other things.
As an LEO, I know what My response will be to Interpol in my neighborhood…
…and as a Constable, I don’t report to anyone but the Governor and the voters…
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
Hmm, that's good for you
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 12:02AM EST (link)and I’m wondering were you’re a Constable Deputy at. I’m guessing it’s not here in Harris County Precinct 4.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
Constable, not "constable deputy"
Raven (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 12:52PM EST (link)It’s a statewide position that just gets elected from a given local precinct.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
So your like Ron Hickman(Harris County Precinct 4 Constable)
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 1:57PM EST (link)I’m sure your Constable Precinct is good and I’m sort of wondering where it is. I’m use to Constables here because this is an unincorporated part of Harris County(the Precinct District is the largest in the State). I’m sure that you are aware that Constables here in Texas predate Police and Sheriffs.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
I'm not familiar with the constable system in TX
Raven (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 2:44PM EST (link)In PA, I work directly for the Governor, get the job from the voters, and get paid on a piecework basis. The more arrests and warrants, etc I make/serve/collect, the more I get paid. Netting 4 or 5 Interpol agents in the midst of an attempted kidnapping would be a nice bonus for my bank account…
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
This is EXACTLY where I think Obama is headed
Erick Brockway (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 5:35PM EST (link)Fail to comply with some UN “law” having to do with climate change or whatever.
Italy wants to prosecute US troops, lets say. The International Court issues a supoena which is summarily ignored. Interpol “arrests” the soldier, makes it to their HQ and claims immunity. Heck, they can claim immunity right on the street and the only chance the “arrested” has is local cops with guns tell Interpol screw off at gunpoint before someone higher up and PC shows up to stop them.
The left won’t get upset, because the left likes this stuff.
Note to lefties;
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.....and if our D.I.T.P. up 'n Federalizes all L.E.O.'s ?
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 5:50PM EST (link)Don’t think for a second that’s not part of the plan…… and let’s call it “weeding out” the L.E.O.’s who refuse to play nice with them in the sandbox.
Yeah…. nutroot….. tin-foil hat….. So is what they’ve already done, are doing and have yet to unveil….. Congress is becoming irrelevant.
Remember this too….. The “nudge nudge, wink wink” stuff is starting to warm up in Cass Sunstein’s bullpen…… with AG Holder at the ready to turn a complete blind eye to, if not overtly assist all of the evil.
I am not a conspiracy theorist
strategerist (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:31PM EST (link)I may be naive, but I actually do not think that Obama or Congress is in ANY position to go about rounding up firearms.
Not to say they would not love to – I am sure it is in their top 3.
They don’t have the political capital, they don’t have the political will and they don’t have the infrastructure to do this.
There are currently more guns than people in this country and the gun issue has been getting more public support in recent years.
Tough times and possibly tougher times ahead and people want the means to defend themselves.
Now they may try to tighten the screws – that is to be expected, but I think they will find it difficult to make even moderate progress such as an AW ban or ammo restrictions, etc.
Now it’s possibly that they are just that INCOMPETENT – to not know when to let sleeping dogs lie, but as bad as they are polling on Cap/Trade and Healthcare, the gun issue will not help them in any way.
Maybe someone has a different perspective, but I just don’t see that politically it would be anything but a big disaster for them.
"They don’t have the political capital, they don’t have the political will and they don’t have the infrastructure to do this."
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:59PM EST (link)They also don’t have the body bags.
There.
I said it.
You wanted to also……… so did you…… points over there….. and you….. over thataway…… and you…… over thisaway……….C’mon, admit it.
Difference is, I’ve stopped caring about being nice or holding back.
Does anyone have the slightest idea what will happen in this nation if the Marxist one-worlders attempt to take approximately 250 MILLION legally owned firearms away from approximately 80 MILLION legal firearms owners ?
No, they have something else planned….. but what ?
They’re not stupid, they’re not incompetent….. they’re also not insane. They know deep down in whatever passes for their soul that “they’re more gooder than the rest of us and everybody else needs to toe their line”.
The crisis too good to waste.
Hell….. maybe that IS it….. Grab guns in one swell foop and not give a tinker’s cuss about the ‘collateral damage’……. Their ends justify any means.
(The Left) “don’t take a dump without a plan”…….. slightly altered from Sen. Fred Thompson’s character in The Hunt For Red October.
So Kenny got a question for you?
GregInFla (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 8:54PM EST (link)Glock 17 or 19? And which Mossberg?
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
None of the above.
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 11:19AM EST (link)Rally don’t like showing my hand, so to speak, but I’ll run up the current owned nom-de-plume’s and let it go at that.
DPMS/Panther, Sig Sauer, Remington, KelTec & Ruger.
Model numbers, quantities, load-out and “accessories” etc. will be disclosed on a laser-designated need-to-know basis coinciding with the soon-to-happen ‘zero-dark-thirty’ knock on everyone’s doors.
Cheers !
IT. IS. TREASON.
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:39PM EST (link)This is all by itself, impeachable. And the little C-sucker should be thrown in jail for giving aid and comfort to America’s enemies. Any wise-apple that thinks Europe is our friend is an idiot.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
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You. Are. Right.
Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 6:09PM EST (link)I would say creating your own Secret Police and doubtlessly staffing it with “Obama Youth” should be considered treason.
Interpol, under Holder, will be morphed right behind your back into just what they need. A Gestapo.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
do we have to register guns and take mental...
larryp Tuesday, December 29th at 3:46PM EST (link)tests to own one as stipulted allegedly in 2010? Was that a true law or a BH/TH deal?
"stipulated"/nt
larryp Tuesday, December 29th at 3:47PM EST (link)I wonder how this will help him when it comes time to be reelected?
jeannieology (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 3:51PM EST (link)Tyranny anyone?
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Erick...... Thank you......
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:01PM EST (link)Thank you for putting this up with much more reasoned thought and follow-through than I could or would.
Now where’s that dang ‘Reco’ button………
Cheers !
Two Points, Political and Legal....
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:15PM EST (link)…I’m not really interested in the political points raised here, inasmuch as it only compounds what’ve all already known.
The motive behind it would be interesting..as Obama did not generate this, someone on his staff, somewhere did, as did Interpol, so analyzing possible motives would be more valuable than merely hammering more walnuts with our fists.
Then there’s the legal question; could it withstand a legal challenge? If a group, with standing, wanting to do a FOIA request, were turned down, then brought suit…who’d win?
vassar- How have you determined that
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 8:42PM EST (link)someone on Obamas staff, or INTERPOL, brought this up?
Words mean things...
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 6:53AM EST (link)…so I misspoke when I said Obama did not bring this up. It should’ve been “probably” but I suppose he could have himself, which takes the theory as to “why” down another alley, doesn’t it?
Ordinarily, though, an executive signs off on things brought up, briefed and laid before him by others. If he generated it himself, out of the blue, so to speak, well, on this sort of issue that would be extraordinary, I think
Barry Didn't Generate This
scubadiver49er Wednesday, December 30th at 2:37PM EST (link)To steal a line from Hannity, I’d bet my money that Rahm “Rambo” Dead Fish” Emanuel stuck this one under his nose. And Barry probably used a teleprompter to dictate it, when reading off the final version.
“I Just Can’t Wait to be King” – Simba from “The Lion King”, 1994
Barry Soetoro – ???
I was Navy Trained so:
Bloggy Bayou (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:16PM EST (link)So I would approach this issue by Breaking it up into a “Plan of Action and Milestones” (POA&M)
#1) Is what President Obama done with respect to Interpol illegal or unconstitutional?: Mr Erickson is a lawyer and I respect his reasoning, But he is now, whether he likes it or not, a major player for the “Loyal Opposition”. So I would farm this question out to a respected Think-tank that has constitutional experts at their disposal for a ruling. This will take some of the inevitable partisan sting out of the decision. I’m not a lawyer, so someone smarter than me will have better suggestions as to the Think-tank we present this issue to (Hoover? Heritage?) I’d dare say we could get an opinion from the Think-tank in a week, if not Days.
#2) While we are waiting for feedback on the legality of the issue: RedState should use it’s well earned clout to make this issue a topic of conversation with the Conservative Media. I could easily see this as a round table discussion item on Special Report and we do have media people, such as Mark Levin and Laura Ingram who are very legitimate constitutional scholars (Both have clerked at the Supreme Court) and can talk with authority on the subject.
#3) The Conservative Blogosphere should alert their local party reps on this. I would also say this fits right in with the Tea Party’s concerns over the degradation of the Constitution by the left. I for one, am going to link to this blog and spread the word around Florida. I bet Kenny Soloman has already beaten me to it. I am going to urge my Fl District 1 Congressman, Jeff Miller to look into this and I am going to alert my Local Tea Party Friends to this issue.
#4) If, as expected, the Think-tank comes out with an opinion that what the president has done is unconstitutional, then it is now situation that calls for a combination political and judicial action. I would expect:
a) our Republican Lawmakers to mount a serious judicial action to overturn this executive decision.
b) Our Republican Lawmakers to craft a law that blocks the President’s ability to do this.
#5) Now the New media (Blogs/Talk Radio/Fox (?) ) go full bore in denouncing this move by the President, using the arguments Mr. Erickson has already supplied, as well as many more examples that can be deduced when multiple legal minds bring their intellect to bear on the situation. This issue blends in beautifully to the springing of terrorists to Yemen/closing of Gitmo/Setting known terrorists free. Our CIA and Military are fair game for the UN, but Obama gives U.S. constitutional rights of illegal combatants and terrorists. The Story writes itself!
#6) We have now given our Republican candidates another wonderful club to hammer Democrats with in 2010, because this issue will still be out there unless Obama caves and caves fast. (Which will make him look even weaker).
So, What do you think guys and gals?
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Outstanding
jgault Tuesday, December 29th at 5:29PM EST (link)thank you for the great idea. I am already making a list to send it to as well others should.
I have started taking actions #3, 5, , and 6
jgault Tuesday, December 29th at 5:59PM EST (link)just sent a link to this blog and a strong statement to my local and national GOP, Teaparty friends and most of the 90 or so folks on my address book. I still have to go home and reach out
Muck..... Good assumption.
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 6:02PM EST (link)I’ve sent it around “a bit”.
Almost nobody believes it.
Not kidding.
Guess I’ll have to take it up a level.
Hey, Sheriff Al… Got a minute or two for me ? Have I got a story to tell you…. Gather a few of your senior BSO deputies around the campfire here…….
Remember I asked you a few weeks ago what would you do if you came in one morning and Mary said “we’ve been Federalized… two guys in suits are in your office” and you looked at me like I had six heads, but you said that you’d think about it ?
You might want to think about it some more, because I gotta ‘splain how the entire department’s just been marginalized with a simple deletion of text and a signature.
——————
That’s for starters.
Dang, I can be a thorny piece of work, eh ?
Ooooooh. Muck…… Bugs Bunny’s ‘Gremlin’ is really starting to poke his head out of the blockbuster bomb now……..
Ask Jim Greer what he thinks about all this…… Really…… Ask him…… I know he loves hearing from you more than anyone else.
Make sure he’s not near any sharp objects when you talk to him though.
I have a feeling this one’s gonna be rough.
Cheers !
Kenny, my man, I knew you would be...
Bloggy Bayou (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 7:11PM EST (link)Just sent this to all my Local republicans, Tea Party and all the County Chairman of Florida that still will take my Email:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/29/the-obama-administration-gives-interpol-more-favorable-rights-than-american-law-enforcement-agencies/
Folks, The above link is a Direct Link to a RedState Blog post. There, Mr. Erik Erickson, the managing Editor of the site reports on an executive decision made by President Obama regarding Interpol. Mr. Erickson explains the issue quite succinctly and warns us of its implications. In a nutshell, Mr. Obama has essentially granted Interpol extraterritorial rights within the United States. Interpol, in effect, has freedom to operate in this country without any US supervision or oversight. Even the FBI does not have this right, but President Obama, by a stroke of the pen, has granted Interpol these privileges. I urge all who get this Email to read Mr. Erickson’s post and then contact their respective representative and Senators to complain about this action. This action by the administration must not stand, constitutionally or legally. So I urge you to take a few moments out of your day and read this. The implications for our troops and CIA professionals are vast and quick action is required to stop this as soon as possible.
Thanks
ER White
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I then sent My Congressman Miller (R-FL, District 1) the Following mail:
Congressman Miller:
It has come to my attention that President Obama has essentially granted Interpol extraterritorial rights within the United States. Interpol, in effect, has freedom to operate in this country without any US supervision or oversight. Even the FBI does not have this right, but President Obama, by a stroke of the pen, has granted Interpol these privileges.
The issue is best explained by Mr Erik Erickson, Managing Editor of RedState.com at the following Link:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/12/29/the-obama-administration-gives-interpol-more-favorable-rights-than-american-law-enforcement-agencies/
Mr. Andrew McCarthy of the National Review also explains this issue:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGY3MTI4YTRjZmYwMGU1ZjZhOGJmNmQ0NmJiZDNmMDY=
I am a member of the Okaloosa County Republican Executive Committee and would appreciate to have some feedback from you and your office on this very serious issue by our scheduled 16 January 2010 meeting in Niceville.
Thank you in Advance for your Prompt Response,
E. Royce White, Jr.
I then sent LeMieux and Nelson variations of the same (took out the Repub stuff for Nelson)
Folks, Feel free to steal my words and use them as you see fit. As a Retired Military guy, I abhor the fact that Interpol can go after our troops…
BloggyBayou
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I helped get my sheriff elected this year
Raven (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 9:47PM EST (link)I think I’ll head over to his office when I get back in town and discuss it with him…
Now, where’s the Executive Order number so I can look it up and print it out…?
…Or is there a helpful soul out there with a link straight to it?
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
Executive Order 12425
GregInFla (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 9:51PM EST (link)n/t
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
Greg..... A few links.
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 10:18PM EST (link)The Usurper-In-Chief’s page with the amendment to the Exec. Order…..
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-amending-executive-order-12425
Check your ‘cookies’ after exiting……. seriously.
Better yet, don’t click on that……. Here’s the three sets of text…………
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The original, as issued by Ronaldus Maximus in 1983……
Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983
International Criminal Police Organizations
By virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and statutes of the United States, including Section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669, 22 U.S.C. 288), it is hereby ordered that the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), in which the United States participates pursuant to 22 U.S.C. 263a, is hereby designated as a public international organization entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions and immunities conferred by the International Organizations Immunities Act; except those provided by Section 2(c), the portions of Section 2(d) and Section 3 relating to customs duties and federal internal-revenue importation taxes, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act. This designation is not intended to abridge in any respect the privileges, exemptions or immunities which such organization may have acquired or may acquire by international agreement or by Congressional action.
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Amendment to Exec. order 12425 issued by William Jefferson Clinton in 1995……
Executive Order 12971 of September 15, 1995
Amendment to Executive Order No. 12425
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities upon the International Criminal Police Organization (‘‘INTERPOL’’) it is hereby ordered that Executive Order No. 12425 be amended by deleting, in the first sentence, the words ‘‘the portions of Section 2(d) and’’ and the words ‘‘relating to customs duties and federal internal-revenue importation taxes’’.
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Text of our Dictator In Training Pants’ latest volley in the purposeful destruction of the United States Of America………
Executive Order 13524 of December 16, 2009
Amending Executive Order 12425 Designating Interpol as a Public International Organization Entitled to Enjoy Certain Privileges, Exemptions, and Immunities
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words ‘‘except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act’’ and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.
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I’d add something, but you can find most of my opinions here……..
http://www.redstate.com/etcartman/2009/12/28/Interpol-in-the-usa
Cheers !
Heard that Glenn Beck will be exposing this soon
sharonmcp (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 10:04AM EST (link)Yesterday I contacted my representatives in Florida to ask why this hasn’t been addressed by any of them.
Also tweeted about it and posted information on Newsbusters.org. I have a son-in-law who is very involved with a local tea-party organization, I’ll be letting him know about it so he can spread the word.
I heard that Glenn Beck will be exposing this soon on his FOX show.
I’m expecting another, even stronger volley of the “FOX News is not a legitimate news organization” feud from the WH and MSM.
“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan
I gave it to a local radio host yesterday
Raven (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 12:59PM EST (link)Dr John McGinnis and AM 1240 WRTA on air in Blair County, PA from 1600-1800 ET.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
And there you have it!!!!
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 4:41PM EST (link)OStalin just made a speech and blamed our own Intelligence sources for the panty bomber. He said that “we” had information on the bomber weeks ago, but, someone didn’t pass it on. So, again, where was INTERPOL? Has Mr. Timothy A. Williams not gotten up to snuff yet, or, perhaps he lost the INTERPOL phone number? Maybe Al Quidea didn’t pay their dues this year, or perhaps, they forgot to call and say- Hey guys he’s on his way. Too bad his package will be missing when he meets those 72 virgins.
There have been epic battles between FBI and OSS/CIA
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 6:05PM EST (link)over operating within the US. There have been epic battles between FBI/OSS/CIA and all manner of foreign intelligence and law enforcement agencies over operating within the US. And Comrade Obama basically just made a foreign law enforcement and intelligence agency his and the UN’s private security service within the US and there isn’t even a whimper from the USDOJ, CIA, or USDoD. As I’ve said, I always thought that if I ever looked around and saw a practicing communist as POTUS, I would expect to be lying in the rubble and dying of radiation poisoning. All it took was a Hugarian Nazi and a bunch of stupid children!
In Vino Veritas
Jake Tapper: i've asked the WH twice now about the executive order
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 6:06PM EST (link)http://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/7167692544
i’ve asked the WH twice now about the executive order the president signed exempting Interpol from certain laws. No response.
about 4 hours ago from web
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Mr. Tapper should ring up the golf course in Hawaii and offer his services as a caddy free of charge.
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 7:46PM EST (link)He already has clearance to be in the same room/area as POTUS, so why not !
He Didn't
red4ever (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 6:08PM EST (link)Only the Right tries to destroy the Constitution. That must be the truth that is all I heard for 8 freaking years.
Step 1 — Get a majority of the governorships and state legislatures this year.
Step 2 — Call a Constitutional Convention via a 2/3 votes of the State legislatures. It’s right there in the Constitution.
Step 3 — Make it part of the new Constitutiona that all law enforcement entities operating within the US must obey the Constitution. (there’s a couple of other things to clean up too, make government LESS cumbersome and MORE out of people’s private business). This does not conflict with any international law, as that is standard practice. Unless the idiot in charge of the sovereign nation waives such compliance.
The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
Dante
Do you REALLY want a Constitutional Convention ritght now?
Raven (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 9:50PM EST (link)Seriously? Everything is on the table with a Convention. EVERYTHING.
Right down to the Right to Free Speech and the Right to Bear Arms.
Do you Seriously want to risk those, and everything else with a Convention with the kind of people that make up approx 50% of the legal population?
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
You might have forgotten that we have been over this
Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 10:06PM EST (link)and that it’s a bad idea. Really bad idea. When you want to do this, you seem to forget all those people that voted the Chief commissar as POTUS. When finally get that, you’ll know that this more than likely to give the left more power than you’ll ever know. If 52% when the Zombie way, I’m sure that Constitutional convention will give lots of progressive idea a bigger chance. This is the dumbest thing that could be thought of.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
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mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 10:08PM EST (link)I wonder who all Interpol has hired in the last 12 months?
Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 6:20PM EST (link)I bet that it is a REAL interesting group who Holder now commands.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Mr. Tapper has heard from on high.........
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 8:17PM EST (link)http://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/7177461039
got a response from administration on Interpol thing. more to come
about 1 hour ago from mobile web
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Get your popcorn and sweet tea ready !
Weez dun gots us a pikcher show a-comin’ heah.
Kenny: From lack of response from Tapper
Bloggy Bayou (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 10:14PM EST (link)It has probably just dawned on the Obamanauts with regards to what they did and they are In Official “Flop Sweat” mode in Hawaii… I gotta get up early so I’m outta here. Us NW FL folk got a Work Ethic to uphold….
Cheers
Royce
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I'll be around........
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 10:25PM EST (link)Haven’t been able to sleep “normally” in about two months – basically since this damnable administration seemed to shift gears to something near ramming speed.
Believe me, they’re not at that speed – not hardly. I honestly believe they have yet to even remotely start in with us typical bitter God-clinging gun owners and small business people.
They’re just on impulse engines right now and maybe at 20%.
Wait.
Something’s coming.
I can feel “it” like I can see the golf course out my back windows and deck……. just not the “what”.
I'd like to see
lunarmanathome (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 8:35PM EST (link)how that immunity stands up in our court system. This was an Executive Order – not law. It doesn’t stand that this will be the practice in the future as the Amateur in Chief has a unique and very jaundiced vision of America.
Remember when we were kids and thought U.N. cops...
H (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 9:24PM EST (link)running around Manhattan kicking butt and talking names with impunity was a cool idea?
The left still hasn’t grown up
Even Napoleon Solo,
proudmarinemom (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 10:04PM EST (link)Illya Kuryakin and Alexander Waverly would be shocked by this administration’s cheek.
This is no longer a TV show, is it?
"This is no longer a TV show, is it?"
throwback59 Tuesday, December 29th at 10:25PM EST (link)Believe it or Not
The Twilight Zone
The Invaders
V
You Bet Your Life
The Dark Side
Lost
More like the movies.........
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 10:39PM EST (link)……. A combination of Red Dawn, The Day After, Rollerball, Logan’s Run, A Clockwork Orange, Soylent Green and a few others.
‘Ceptin they ain’t countin’ on the likes of Major Scott McCoy, Lt. Col. Benjamin Vandervoort and Captain Matt Garth, plus of course The Rogue Warrior and his shooters on Team Six.
Maybe we get lucky and it ends like 2010.
“All these worlds are yours………”
You have now just entered -
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 10:41PM EST (link)The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Treason?
anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 11:44PM EST (link)Yep.
Sheesh – I thought a had a bad day when the local community college’s PC police turned down a flyer for next months startup gaming convention because it has a hot chick with a gun on it… unlike the local Penn State Campus and every Library I took it to before that… and unlike most every business etc that had no problem with it… yep… yep… Attica!!! etc…
But I digress…
Yep, it’s treason. Good luck getting the MSM to give it any notice until, and maybe only until, Interpol actually arrests someone and tries to remove them from the country. At that point all hell will break loose about the topic or it will be buried by a complicit media.
*if* this somehow turns into some kind of abuse of power (stop laughing) by agenda driven anti-American wannabee tyrants then the Rubicon will have to be crossed by someone who wants to actually defend the US versus all enemies (especially domestic) or the Republic will be lost.
Or not… depends… maybe… who knows…
Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
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Even though Mr. Tapper is working on it........
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 29th at 11:48PM EST (link)No major media outlet has picked this up as of yet…. Not even Fox News…… Not a blip.
It’s like someone was ordering all of them to not……………….
Crapski……. Two nights in a row with black helicopters over the house again,,,,,,, gotta go.
Faux news.....Kenny!
bigmaude Wednesday, December 30th at 7:59AM EST (link)Fox News is talking to PROFESSIONAL KISSERS! Please do not be fooled by Fox News! They run the Give A Year commercial, which I joined by “stealth”, and if you go all the way down, it proclaims it is a proud sponsor of…..wait for it…….Americorp!!!!!!! Os own!!!!!!! This is why RS is so important!
Media Outlet Pickups
scubadiver49er Wednesday, December 30th at 8:12AM EST (link)In switching back & forth from the radio and the tv (Fox) last night, I heard this subject brought up and discussed by the substitute host for Hannity’s radio program on the Chicago affilliate. From what I was able to watch last night, I didn’t hear anything from the evening substitute hosts though (I didn’t get to watch O’Reilly due to my time limitations). Looks like it is finally starting to get some attention from the media. Stay “tuned!!!”
“I Just Can’t Wait to be King” – Simba from “The Lion King”, 1994
Barry Soetoro – ???
Mark Steyn mentioned it Monday on Rush
GregInFla (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 10:07PM EST (link)Limbaugh radio show. Mark was sitting in for Rush. I heard it Tuesday, and then found these diaries on RS. Steyn filled in for Hannity on TV last week. I wish it would have been exposed then.
– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
The O'Reilly Factor
scubadiver49er Tuesday, January 5th at 2:32PM EST (link)Bill had Newt on last night (Monday, 01/04/09) & Gingrich brought it up. Newt didn’t do this subject any real justice in his explanation to where O’Reilly didn’t fully grasp the implications of Barry’s actions on this, or he would have jumped all over it. Erick, you did a significantly better job in explaining this. This was an opportunity that was really wasted!!! (O’Reilly???!!! – British Accent)
“I Just Can’t Wait to be King” – Simba from “The Lion King”, 1994
Barry Soetoro – ???
For no discernible reason whatsoever?
nunleigh Wednesday, December 30th at 7:20AM EST (link)Since the G20 summit, this Black Helicopter thinks his goal is to super empower the UN and then run it. To hell with US approval and the 2012 election; President of the World would be so much better. I think the UN position comes up again in 2011. Just a thought…
nunleigh- Since the G20, the UN
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 10:37AM EST (link)has been seen as weak, fraudulent, and as being on the same path to the fate of the League of Nations. I would beg Soros to give every dime of his money to Obama to become the president of a defunct organization. Then we can get back on the path to being the greatest country on earth.
President of the World
scubadiver49er Wednesday, December 30th at 10:54AM EST (link)I’m wondering if he’s discussed this position with Russia, China or those whacko leaders in North Korea and Iran for their endorsement??? Me thinks no. He could send someone from INTERPOL to straighten them out on this???
“I Just Can’t Wait to be King” – Simba from “The Lion King”, 1994
Barry Soetoro – ???
scubadiver49er- He would need to send ACORN members around the world
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 11:11AM EST (link)to help him get elected as world leader. He has blown his popularity in every corner of the world. He is now considered weak, arrogant, incompetent, dangerous and not ready for prime time. The world leaders have correctly diagnosed his aspirations, and, they have resoundingly rejected him. Look at Copenhagen as proof.
ACORN kind of is international
Raven (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 1:07PM EST (link)just in case you missed that in the midst of everything else…
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
Raven- I am aware of Wade Rathke's
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 4:49PM EST (link)worldwide venture with ACORN International. I don’t think Wade is traveling the globe to promote Obama, he is travelling the globe to support his own wallet first, and, Communism second.
Yeah, i have been hearing about this,
jacon4 Wednesday, December 30th at 7:27AM EST (link)question is, whats the other side of the argument?
jacon4- What other side of the argument are you looking for?
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 10:28AM EST (link)When you have documentation, (see Kenny Solomon’s diary on this subject), showing the EO from Regan in 1983, comapred to the amended EO by Obama on Dec. 17, 2009, what argument are you expecting? This isn’t an opinion, a theory or a hope for change, it is a proven fact. Maybe you can enlighten us with a counter argument.
Sorry- I know Reply to this is my friend!
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, December 30th at 10:30AM EST (link)n/t
Tapper says it is no big Deal
Bloggy Bayou (Diary) Thursday, December 31st at 10:53AM EST (link)http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/12/just-what-did-president-obamas-executive-order-regarding-interpol-do.html
However, look at the last sentence of his article:
“Obama administration officials say this new executive order doesn’t allow INTERPOL to do any more than they were allowed to do once Reagan recognized them as a public international organization. Though clearly the Executive Order does prohibit US law enforcement from searching and seizing INTERPOL records, officials say, those provisions can be waived by the president if need be.”
Does the President have the right to have complete access to any FBI/CIA/Justice Dept/DoD files? I think so. So why should he waive his rights for INTERPOL (who works on OUR dime and has offices in Federal buildings? I’m sorry, this is a question of soverignty, at least in my eyes.
For Mr. Erickson: You stood up amd took notice of this, what are the chances of getting a third party to look at the consequences of this: (See my POA&M Bullet #1.) While Jake Tapper is one of the rare breed of Journalist that occasionally challenges the President’s party line, it seems to me he is of the mindset that this isn’t an issue to be concerned with..and while he invokes Bush on this, Bush could have done this just as esily as Obama, yet he didn’t.
Like I said earlier, we need some real, no kidding constitutional type scholars to point out the true importance of this issue. If it is as innocuous as Mr. Tapper makes it sound, then so be it,,, I will rescind my Emails and do a never mind…
But if it isn’t, then we need to ratchet up the pressure. The MSM won’t report on this until we force this issue to a tipping point and make them report on it.
Interpol is NOT a Tuna foundation and any records they keep in our country (indeed anywhere, since our tax dollars help pay for their existence) are fair game for our no notice inspection and seizure.
But I am not a Lawyer…we need lawyers to back up this argument.
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olddog Friday, January 1st at 2:43AM EST (link)We are in real trouble, if he wins in 2012 with 100 % of the vote, like Chavez did, after getting the legislature to allow him to run for life, if he wants to. And since when did following the law, mean anything, to these thugs, in Washington lately.?
One Old Dog