isn’t this unconstitutional? Can’t the supreme court be brought into this?

Why make the Panel the only provision subject to super-majority?

Because that will be the primary rationing enforcement mechanism. This legislation is the foundation, both a legal and organizational infrastructure, to evolve the system ultimately to single-payer. As Obama said, ‘it may take 10 or 15 years’ and Emmanuel said ‘focus on the long-term objective’.

At issue was whether proper procedure was being followed in the case of this bill as the bill itself included changes to the rules for its own passage.

It would have no bearing on future Congresses.

It’s irrelevant anyway though because nothing in it will ever be repealed. The numbers and political will will never be there.

There will be plenty of will once the baby boomers enter the system. Seniors are a huge component in any election and the Dems have had that vote locked up for decades. This is a game changer.

I also think that while the Supreme Court won’t interfere in Senate rules per se, it’s doubtful whether it would find a law binding future Congresses was constitutional.

They are considering the viability of the worker.

He can look to Europe for clues.

An influx of those needed to be treated, with less docs to treat, less innovation, poorer care.

Baby boomers are going to be replaced by a smaller workforce.

Sustain the healthy worker who can imput into the system, since socialized healthcare wil not be able to support the baby boomers as they age anyway.

Harry Reid anticipates what is going to happen in the healthcare industry.

Articles of Secession.

You can’t flee this country and escape the long arm of Der ObamanFuhrer and his IRS minions…

…unless you are a member of the Reich like Charlie Rangel, Turbotax Timmy Geitner, or at least half of Barry’s other Czars – then you can be as much a thief as you want and you will be celebrated.

One guy I know tried. He was a tax protester who refused to file his tax forms and even though they were taking more than he owed to them out of his checks, his refusal to file the forms and admit the government had jurisdiction over him gave them grounds to hit him with almost unlimited fees. Resistance is futile!!

He cashed out his 401K in gold and headed overseas to Southeast Asia, bought some land, and settled in to farm enough food for he and his wife and kids to survive. They figured to run into town once or twice a month and collect his Social Security checks that were being deposited in a foreign based bank.

The last time they went into town they found not only had the SSI checks stopped but the new bank treaty just passed had allowed the US to go into his bank account and clean it out of all the other money that he had there (several thousand dollars).

He is has heard a number of things that have convinced him that the US is working with the government where he is living to revoke his Visa and turn him over to the US to go to jail for tax evasion.

…why in God’s name would the Senate Majority Leader want to make the Death Panel regulations the only thing in the Obamacare legislation that is not subject to amendment, repeal, or change by the United States Senate?!

The desire is to do as much harm as possible. This has clearly become pathological.

I’m a lawyer and say the 2/3 provision here is meaningless, with the caveat that the Constitution is whatever 5 judges of the Supreme say it is, regardless of what it actually says.

A GOP majority in the Senate can ignore this provision anytime they want just by doing so. They can also repeal it by majority vote. The same goes for filibusters. A mere majority in the Senate can do whatever it wants at any time. Senators can, and generally do, voluntarily refrain from using the power available to them.

This over-reaching here indicates that such self-restraint is ending. This 2/3 rule will be ignored when the Democrats lose their Senate majority in 2012.

IMO what the Democrats plan for with this (and by Democrats I mean their new hard-left majority) is to use the federal courts to enforce it when the GOP regains control of the Senate. We’ll see how sucessful they are with that.

I’ve just got off the phone with my senators office, Stabenow, and the girl who answered the phone told me that there is a report out by the congresstional research dept that goes into the constatutionality of HCR and apparently I’m going to be sent it. Should be a fun read.
Has anyone else heard?seen anything on this?

that this BS will NOT outlive Reid. When will the end come? Before Nov 2010.

the “official” Death Panel will meet with less official civilian panels once enough people are killed by denial of care rulings;-)

I just want to know if the Congress is exempt from the panel review that in of it self should tell us a lot about their goals. Just like their medical plan is not included in this health care mess that they want to force upon us, if it is good enough for us it should be good enough for them. I suggest lets make it easy and give every American the same health care plan that they have after all if it is good enough for them then the people should have the same plan or are they elitist and some how better than the people that voted them in to office?

Reid wrote this mess along with Pelosi. If you could measure the intelligence of the two of them you wouldn’t get a thimble full. They may have college degrees and that sort of thing, but they’re both dumber than a box of rocks.