If ever the people of the United States rise up and fight over passage of Obamacare, Harry Reid must be remembered as the man who sacrificed the dignity of his office for a few pieces of silver. The rules of fair play that have kept the basic integrity of the Republic alive have died with Harry Reid. Reid has slipped in a provision into the health care legislation prohibiting future Congresses from changing any regulations imposed on Americans by the Independent Medicare [note: originally referred to as "medical"] Advisory Boards, which are commonly called the “Death Panels.”
It was Reid leading the Democrats who ignored 200 years of Senate precedents to rule that Senator Sanders could withdraw his amendment while it was being read.
It was Reid leading the Democrats who has determined again and again over the past few days that hundreds of years of accumulated Senate parliamentary rulings have no bearing on the health care vote.
On December 21, 2009, however, Harry Reid sold out the Republic in toto.
Upon examination of Senator Harry Reid’s amendment to the health care legislation, Senators discovered section 3403. That section changes the rules of the United States Senate.
To change the rules of the United States Senate, there must be sixty-seven votes.
Section 3403 of Senator Harry Reid’s amendment requires that “it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.” The good news is that this only applies to one section of the Obamacare legislation. The bad news is that it applies to regulations imposed on doctors and patients by the Independent Medicare Advisory Boards a/k/a the Death Panels.
Section 3403 of Senator Reid’s legislation also states, “Notwithstanding rule XV of the Standing Rules of the Senate, a committee amendment described in subparagraph (A) may include matter not within the jurisdiction of the Committee on Finance if that matter is relevant to a proposal contained in the bill submitted under subsection (c)(3).” In short, it sets up a rule to ignore another Senate rule.
Senator Jim DeMint confronted the Democrats over Reid’s language. In the past, the Senate Parliamentarian has repeatedly determined that any legislation that also changes the internal standing rules of the Senate must have a two-thirds vote to pass because to change Senate rules, a two-thirds vote is required. Today, the Senate President, acting on the advice of the Senate Parliamentarian, ruled that these rules changes are actually just procedural changes and, despite what the actual words of the legislation say, are not rules changes. Therefore, a two-thirds vote is not needed in contravention to longstanding Senate precedent.
How is that constitutional? It is just like the filibuster. Only 51 votes are needed to pass the amendments, but internally, the Senate is deciding that it will not consider certain business. The Supreme Court is quite clear that it won’t meddle with the internal operations of the House and Senate. To get around the prohibition on considering amendments to that particular subsection of the health care legislation, the Senate must get two-thirds of the Senate to agree to waive the rule. In other words, it will take a super-majority of the people the citizens of our Republican elected to overrule a regulation imposed by a group of faceless bureaucrats and bean counters.
Here is the transcript of the exchange between Jim DeMint and the Senate President:
DEMINT: But, Mr. President, as the chair has confirmed, Rule 22, paragraph 2, of the standing rules of the Senate, states that on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the senators present and voting. Let me go to the bill before us, because buried deep within the over 2,000 pages of this bill, we find a rather substantial change to the standing rules of the Senate. It is section 3403 and it begins on page 1,000 of the Reid substitute. . . . These provisions not only amend certain rules, they waive certain rules and create entirely new rules out of whole cloth.”
The Senate President disagreed and said it was a change in procedure, not a change in rules, therefore the Senate precedent that a two-thirds vote is required to change the rules of the Senate does not apply.
Senator DeMint responded:
DEMINT: and so the language you see in this bill that specifically refers to a change in a rule is not a rule change, it’s a procedure change?
THE PRESIDING OFFICER: that is correct.
DEMINT: then i guess our rules mean nothing, do they, if they can re define them. thank you. and i do yield back.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER: the senate stands adjourned until 7:00 a.m. tomorrow.
That’s right. When confronted with the facts, the Senate Democrats ran for cover. The Senate Democrats are ignoring the constitution, the law, and their own rules to pass Obamacare.
To quote the Declaration of Indepedence:
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is one of those causes. When the men and women who run this nation, which is supposedly a nation of laws not men, choose to ignore the laws and bribe the men, the people cannot be blamed for wanting to dissolve political bands connecting them to that government.
UPDATED: A number of people on our side are saying I’m making a mountain out of a mole hill on this issue. I hope they and you, after reading this, will read this response to that criticism.
For your edification, the full transcript of the exchange between Jim DeMint and the Senate President is presented, unedited, below the fold.
————————————————————————————-
7:30 PM
PRESIDENT, I YIELD THE FLOOR. DEMINT
not. mr. president, i yield the floor. mr. demint: mr. president?
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
the senator from south carolina.
DEMINT
mr. president, i ask unanimous consent that i be allowed to speak for ten minutes.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
without objection.
DEMINT
parliamentary inquiry, mr. president. does rule 22 of the standing rules of the senate provide that on a measure or motion to amend the senate rules, the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the senators present and voting?
7:31 PM
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
it does.
DEMINT
further parliamentary inquiry. is it also the case that on numerous occasions, the senate has required a two-thirds cloture vote on bills that combine amendments to senate rules with other legislative provisions that do not amend the rules?
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
that would require a two-thirds vote.
DEMINT
i have numerous examples here. we did it twice this year on senate bill 2349 and i could read those but i’ll spare the chair all of these. i’m just trying to get at a concern we have here. am i correct that with respect to these bills, there was a combination of legislative provision and rules changes and the chair ruled that because they were — and i’m referring, mr. chairman, to the — earlier this year, those he
referred to where we required the two-thirds cloture. am i correct on these previous bills that with respect to the bills, there was a combination of legislative provisions and rules changes and the chair ruled that because there were rules changes, a two-thirds vote was required?
7:32 PM
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
if there were changes to the standing rules of the senate, a two-thirds vote would have been required to invoke cloture.
DEMINT
i thank the chair. mr. president, am i also correct that the senate has required a two-thirds cloture on amendments to bills where the amendments combine legislative provisions
and rules changes?
i have a number of references on bills that this was done if there’s any question, and i have given them to the parliamentarian for consideration. is there an answer? i mean, i know that there have been amendments to bills that we required two-thirds because they include rule changes. i just wanted to get a confirmation from our parliamentarian. is that, in fact, the case, where two-thirds cloture on amendments to bills have been required to have a two-thirds vote because
there were rules changes included in them?
7:34 PM
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
the chair would like to check that for a future answer.
DEMINT
okay. i believe the parliamentarian does have some of the references of times this has been done. we’re quite certain it has. but, mr. president, as the chair has confirmed, rule 22, paragraph 2, of the standing rules of the senate, states that on a measure or motion to amend the senate rules, the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the senators present and voting. let me go to the bill before us, because buried deep within the over 2,000 pages of this bill, we find a rather substantial change to the standing rules of
the senate. it is section 3403 and it begins on page 1,000 of the reid substitute. these provisions not only amend certain rules, they waive certain rules and create entirely new rules out of whole cloth. again, i’ll skip over some examples but let me read a few of these provisions that amend the senate rules which are contained in section 3403 of the reid substitute. it’s section d, titled referral. the legislation introduced
under this paragraph shall be referred to the presiding officers of the prospective houses, to the committee on finance in the senate, and to the committee on energy and commerce, and the committee on ways and means in the house of representatives. the bill creates out of whole cloth a new rule that this specific bill must be referred to the senate finance committee. another example under section c, titled “committee jurisdiction.” and it references rule here. “notwithstanding
rule 15 of the standing rules of the senate, a committee amendment described in subparagraph a may include matter not within the jurisdiction of the committee on finance if that matter is relevant to a proposal contained in the bill submitted under subsection c-3. clearly a rule change. so there’s no pretense that this bill is being referred under the rules of the committee of jurisdiction. and now it is allowing the finance committee to add whatever matter it wants to the
bill, regardless of any rules regarding committee jurisdiction. and of good measure, the bill even specifically states that it is amending rule 15. let me just skip over a number of other examples referring to rules just to try to get to the — the point here. because it goes on and on, and i’ve got pages here. but there’s one provision that i found particularly troubling and it’s under section c, titled “limitations on changes to
this subsection.” and i quote — “it shall not be in order in the senate or the house of representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.” this is not legislation. it’s not law. this is a rule change. it’s a pretty big deal. we will be passing a new law and at the same time creating a senate rule that makes it out of order to amend or even repeal the law. i’m not even sure that it’s constitutional, but if it is, it most certainly is a senate
rule. i don’t see why the majority party wouldn’t put this in every bill. if you like your law, you most certainly would want it to have force for future senates. i mean, we want to bind future congresses. this goes to the fundamental purpose of senate rules: to prevent a tyrannical majority from trampling the rights of the minority or of future co congresses. mr. president, therefore, i would like to propound a parliamentary inquiry to the chair. does section 3403 of this
bill propose amendments to the standing rules of the standing rules of the senate? and further parliamentary inquiry. does the inclusion of these proposed amendments to the senate rules mean that the bill requires two-thirds present and voting to invoke cloture?
7:38 PM
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
the section of the proposed legislation addressed by the senator is not — does not amend the standing rules. the standing rules of the senate.
DEMINT
okay. mr. president –
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
and, therefore, its inclusion does not affect the number of votes required to invoke cloture.
DEMINT
mr. president, is the chair aware of any precedent where the senate created a new law and in doing so created a new rule — and i’m quoting from our bill — “it shall not be in order in the senate or the house of representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change the law.” is the chair aware that we have ever put this type of binding legislation on future congresses in a bill?
7:39 PM
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
it is quite common to do that.
DEMINT
i would ask the chair to get those references, if the parliamentarian would, to us. mr. president, another parliamentary inquiry. if this new law will operate as a senate rule, making it out of order for senators to propose amendments to repeal or amend it it — i’ve been in congress 11 years. i have not ever heard of an amendment being called out of order because it changes something that was done before. you know, how is that different from the types of senate rule making for which our predecessors in their wisdom provided a two-thirds cloture vote?
this seems to be a redefinition of words in my mind. mr. president, it’s clear that the parliamentarian is — is going to redefine words, as i’m afraid he has done as part of this process before, but this is truly historic, that we have included rules changes in legislation. we have included rules changes in this legislation yet we’re ignoring a rule that requires a two-thirds cloture vote to pass it. i believe that
it’s unconstitutional. it subverts the principles that — i believe it subverts the principles that we’ve operated under and it’s very obvious to everyone that it does change a rule. mr. president, it’s clear that our rules mean nothing if we can redefine the words that we use in them. and i yield the floor.
7:40 PM
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
the chair will note that it is quite common to include provisions affecting senate procedure in legislation.
7:41 PM
DEMINT
is there a difference between senate procedures and rules?
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
yes.
DEMINT
and so the language you see in this bill that specifically refers to a change in a rule is not a rule change, it’s a procedure change?
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
that is correct.
DEMINT
then i guess our rules mean nothing, do they, if they can re define them. thank you. and i do yield back.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER
the senate stands adjourned until 7:00 a.m. tomorrow.
KnightsofMalta
Dan Spencer
Moe Lane
Steve Maley
Dan McLaughlin
Caleb Howe
It could be time
rick554 Monday, December 21st at 9:31PM EST (link)for some good ol fashioned dissolving!!!
Rick554
Dems Say Those Against Health Bill Are Right-Wing Militias & Aryan Groups
louesc (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 5:16AM EST (link)Sen. Whitehouse Democrat says if you oppose Health Care Reform. “They are desperate to break this president. They have ardent supporters who are nearly hysterical at the very election of President Barack Obama. The birthers, the fanatics, the people running around in right-wing militia and Aryan support groups, it is unbearable to them that President Barack Obama should exist. Check out this drone in his own words he is clueless.
https://www.americanpatriotsprevail.com/DemsSayThoseAgainstRefor.html
Reject Tyranny and Defend Liberty!
New Elite
roncdeweijze Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:52AM EST (link)The worst trick up the liberal’s sleeve is “keeping the momentum”. Check out how that worked on ‘climate change’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOXmJ4jd-8&feature=player_embedded. It is all about putting the citizen out of order and themselves in, as the new elite, knowing it all better.
Dems Say Those Against Health Bill Are Right-Wing Militias & Aryan Groups
wlennon Tuesday, December 22nd at 10:31AM EST (link)louesc, you really should get a mind of your own, and stop being follower and never a leader.
Your comments above are about the most stupid thing I have ever hear from anyone. In the event you do not yet realize it, you are just as crooked as this criminal outrage being pushed on the American People’s majority, including democrats.
Most all of us who oppose Marxist Rule are none of the idiotic names you call people, that only makes you a racist…KMAAGTH!
Before you reply, think about this, we know where you live! Amazing this new privately written software, which can glean IPs from posters. Why would you want to destroy this Nation?
Just move to China and see how it works there, you sound commie enough to belong.
wlennon
wlennon, you should try reading for comprehension.
Achance (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 11:07AM EST (link)The poster was just quoting Whitehouse and linking to it.
In Vino Veritas
We have more cause now than in 1776
Raven (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 1:40PM EST (link)If this passes and we can’t get it repealed in toto within a year (what with the midterm elections coming up), we may have no choice.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
Plan A
drusilla Tuesday, December 22nd at 1:50PM EST (link)National Strike Day Jan 20, 2010
Drusilla
look to the future
wildbillfromalaska Tuesday, December 22nd at 3:41PM EST (link)If that anal orifice Reid can rewrite senate rules without following current senate rules of procedure what is to stop conservatives from using the same tactic to reverse this bill when we gain the majority in the mid term elections?If this blatant attempt at cementing the leftist agenda is passed I believe that the American people will not stand for it.It is readily apparent that the current leftist majority in congress will be looking for new jobs post mid terms.Have faith in the ballot,it is not yet time for bullets.The only time that would be appropriate should things get so out of hand that the federal government starts knocking on peoples doors at midnight.
“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.The republican is the only form of government which is not eternally at open or secret war with the rights of mankind.”
Thomas Jefferson
If we wait so long the Government is knocking on doors
Raven (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 9:39PM EST (link)We have waited too long.
…But I wholly agree that nothing should be done extra-legally until we see what the power of the Vote can do in the hands of an outraged populace.
And do keep in mind that I said “May”
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
It could be time
rick554 Monday, December 21st at 9:31PM EST (link)for some good ol fashioned dissolving!!!
Rick554
Son of a..................
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 9:34PM EST (link)That dirty corrupt Totalitarian waste of carbon.
I swear that they’re deliberately attempting to incite an uprising solely so they can clamp down fast and hard.
Their crisis too good to waste.
The impenetrable shell around The Constitution is almost fully in place.
I’ll bet that somewhere in that damn nation-killing legislation is some sort of 1A and 2A lingo that doesn’t ban anything, but just “nudges” a bit….. but nobody’s found anything yet.
Remember, this junk is just part of the overall…… all the legislation ties into each other…… the stimulus legislation has health care regs in it, etc.
I can't say what I'm thinking, but I think you can guess...nt
nessa (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 12:13AM EST (link)“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Contributor to Unified Patriots
teh twitter
Actually, you can
rivahmitch Tuesday, December 22nd at 10:54AM EST (link)I suspect many of us are already on the lists for “reeducation”.
What Nation of Laws?
gemimail Tuesday, December 22nd at 4:31AM EST (link)We have not been a nation of laws for a long time now. The law is what five men and women in black robes say it is, no more, no less. So this outrage in the Senate is nothing new. The rules of the Senate are what Harry Reid and his parliamentarian say they are, nothing more, nothing less.
How do they plan to clamp down?
Raven (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 1:41PM EST (link)The military won’t stand with them.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
Reichstag anyone?
robobbob Tuesday, December 22nd at 9:10PM EST (link)The members of our military and law enforcement are good people sworn to defend. So, ask yourself what good crises could turn well intentioned patriots into a reviled enemy that our defends would suppress. The MSM are standing by and have jumped the gun on several recent occassions. Mumbia? Oklahoma II?
The average American Soldier
Raven (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 9:32PM EST (link)Is better educated and more knowledgeable than the average 1930s German soldier.
I’m not sure what you’re referencing with “Mumbia” but I would willingly and blindly bet that the same comparison can be made in that situation.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
The Military Will Stand With Them
leehazel Tuesday, December 22nd at 11:58PM EST (link)Raven: You have no idea how much I wish you could be right in your faith. But have you really listened to our military leaders lately.
How about our USARMY Chief of Staff who thinks “diversity” in our military trumps all other considerations including the Terrorist Murder of out troops.
How about the Navy Admiral who spoke to a graduating Navy class and told them how we were going to lose the Afganistan conflict.
The bulk of our Colnels and General Officers are political toadies and they will do the bidding of this administration.
Yes, unfortunately these are the same men who will lead our “fighting” men into battle with our citizens. I say this in great saddness and as a military officer who saw duty in Vietnam.
PC is Thought Control
LEEl
Refer to my above response
Raven (Diary) Wednesday, December 23rd at 6:32PM EST (link)The General Staff may side with them, but the General Staff is not the military.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
Yes Expediter....they are looking for a reason...
rcov092 (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 10:11PM EST (link)to cancel the elections in 2012.
“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”
Join the RedState Strike Force
The Operative Word is "Crisis"
leehazel Tuesday, December 22nd at 11:36PM EST (link)Just about everything that the Obama Administration has done has been presented to the public as a “CRISIS”. What do we do with a “CRISIS’? We take advantage of the “CRISIS” and advance our agenda.
From the time that Obama was elected I have feared the direction they were and are taking. I think the “Really Big Crisis is being set up as we speak.
The combination of HealthCare (Makes Us All Potential Criminals) Bill plus the Climate Change driven Cap and Tax (Makes Us All CO2 Polluters) Bill, and Amnesty for ACORN and Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants,
Add all of this up and the spark has been provided for insurrection. This is exactly what this administration wants. It is called MARTIAL LAW.
PC is Thought Control
LEE
See my comment to Raven below.
Here's the start of an outside source for 'operations and containment'.
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 11:45PM EST (link)I don’t look at the WH Exec Orders pages for a few weeks and this pops up…….. Great job by Common_Cents.
http://www.redstate.com/common_cents/2009/12/22/obamas-ammendment-to-executive-order-re-interpol
Like I said at the start of this run: Son of a………………
Amen Erick. nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 9:36PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
Nullification
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 9:40PM EST (link)I’ve been saying this for the better part of a year and I won’t stop now. We need to stop trying to put all of our eggs in the federal basket and concentrate on a conservative takeover of state legislatures and governorships so we can nullify unconstitutional legislation emanating from DC. If you’re pinning your hopes of rolling back the monster in DC on the GOP you haven’t been paying attention the last several decades. The GOP is nearly as complicit in growing government as the Dems. If half a dozen states nullify Obamacare it will collapse. And when it collapses through nullification I believe other states will be emboldened to nullify it as well and then move to nullify other unconstitutional federal legislation and perhaps We the People can take back our government from the statists.
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/12/21/health-care-nullification-things-have-just-gotten-underway/
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
You are exactly right...
Stephen Halsey (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:02PM EST (link)The GOP is complicit. It is all about power. McConnell and his ilk have sat on their hands, not just ‘opposing’ this bill, but others the past 3+ years and beyond, knowing the public outrage will shift vast amounts of power their way the next election cycle. Call me a cynic, but that’s what this is about. Power, plain and simple.
Remember Glenn Beck’s graph, the one with the ‘isms’ (fascism, maoism, socialism, communism, etc…) on the left and anarchy on the right and how our Founding Fathers wanted this country as close to anarchy as possible because that meant maximum individual freedom and liberty? The Democrats favored the ‘isms’ and the GOP were closer to anarchy on this scale. Now they are one and the same with one above the graph line and one below, both defacto moving this country closer to the left and its ‘isms’.
It is us vs. them.
Inside the Beltway vs. outside the Beltway.
The ONLY solution is to vote them ALL out. Primary every single GOP Representative and Senator.
If the GOP had only followed the advice of people here such as Erick and Dan and used every parliamentary tool and weapon at their disposal, they could have clogged the Senate up so nothing got done. Instead they tried to make the bill ‘better’ so they can go home and tell their constituents they gave it the ‘ol college try and tried to improve the bill but the mean ‘ol Democrats in charge wouldn’t play nice in the sandbox. Where are people going to turn in 2010? The GOP knows this. So power shifts and we become even more beholden to the ‘other’ party in DC…..inside the Beltway…when in fact the are all part of the same part……the Inside-the Beltway Party.
States need to start asserting their 10th Amendment rights ASAP. Legal actions needs to be in the works……yesterday. And why don’t you hear any GOP Senator talk demonstrably about the fact that this bill is blatantly un-Constitutional on so many levels? Makes you wonder, huh?
They.Are.Complicit.
Power.
It’s what it’s all about.
Power may shift back to the right in 2010 and 2012. But Fedzilla and its appetite for power grows none-the-less. It is not by accident.
Hit hard. Hit fast. Hit often.
http://twitter.com/stephen_halsey
Agree and disagree
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:14PM EST (link)I don’t think we need to throw them all out. There are quite a few real fighters including Demint, Coburn, Shelby, and Sessions. Unfortunately they are outnumbered by those that are simply too willing to go along to get along. They don’t see themselves as defenders of liberty but rather as defenders of their own power and privilege. I want to see real fighters elected who are willing to engage in real political battles and not care about their press coverage.
Perhaps that’s another advantage of federalism, the pressure to look good in the eyes of the MSM is diluted due to the dispersion of power to fifty state governments, the huge number of legislators, and the limited ability of the MSM to cover all of them.
Federalism will remove the spotlight that so many lawmakers crave.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
Coburn is complicit too
Stephen Halsey (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:30PM EST (link)Several weeks ago when this mess started gaining a little traction in the Senate, Coburn publicly threatened to pretty much have every piece of legislative action associated with this bill read prior to debate and vote. He backed down once he he got some push back from the ‘willing to go along to get along crowd’ of our party.
He did not fight.
He didn’t fight until last Wednesday when they must have know that Obama and Reid were buying off votes and things were getting desperate. But even then, the Marxists broke the Senate rules by allowing the Sanders amendment to be pulled even though Coburn had the floor.
I firmly believe that those you mentioned could have been a lot more forceful in their public rhetoric and legislative tactics. They all simply play too nice….even the one’s we consider conservative. These Marxists play for keeps and until our side starts playing with the same spit and venom the Marxists play with, we will continue to get rolled.
And more importantly, when power inevitably shifts back to the right in 2010 and 2012, our side will have to play with that same spit and venom to start getting this mess reversed.
If they won’t fight to kill it, what makes us believe they will fight to get it reversed?
Hit hard. Hit fast. Hit often.
http://twitter.com/stephen_halsey
I agree
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:48PM EST (link)…and that’s why we MUST support conservative candidates not just rhetorically but with cash to push them past the establishment candidates.
Rubio not Crist
DeVore not Fiorina
Williams not Hutchinson(?)
Toomey
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
This is getting ridiculous
Kyle-MI (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:48PM EST (link)We are already sitting at an impotent 40 votes in the Senate and you want to make us even more impotent??!!
And on top of this, you are going after the one Senator who has done more to fight this than anybody else. Did he do everything perfect? No, but there is literally no one better in the Senate.
Just stop right now. Now is not the time for a circular firing squad.
Perfect is the enemy of good. – Voltaire
Yes
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:00PM EST (link)Coburn is great but Stephen has a valid point in that Coburn made a threat that he hasn’t followed up on. Why not? Where have the conservatives been in shutting down the Senate?
Maybe they had a strategy that just escapes me. I don’t know.
I think a lot of anger is just borne of a frustration that no one seems to be doing anything to scuttle this nightmare of Obamacare nor are they promising to overturn it should the GOP retake Congress. They frankly haven’t said much of anything. They seem content to sit back and let public anger at the Dems win 2010 for them without they themselves having to lift a finger.
Very frustrating.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
Frustrating indeed....
Stephen Halsey (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:35PM EST (link)And what you said in your last paragraph hit the nail on the head regarding not saying much of anything. That’s been the GOP’s response to just about everything that’s been crammed down the past 11 months. Cantor is my Congressman and he’s been mentioned here recently has another one wanting to play nice. His job is secure regardless unless someone wants to primary him. Yet when I called his office the day after Waxman-Markey passed committee I asked his staffer what the game plan was to communicate that travesty to the American people and what the plan was to defeat it, she said there was no plan and that they were just trying to figure out what was in the bill. The committee bill was no secret. Cantor and Boehner has to know what was coming down the pipe. And yet there was no defensive game plan in the can.
This is like football. The Marxists are on offense. We know their playbook. We are on defense. We should have a gameplan to counter everything they throw at us. And if it takes gounging out an eye at the bottom of the pile then so be it. Yet our bunch seems content to go 0-16 so we can get the first draftpick in the 2010 draft. But what difference will that draft pick make when the Marxists have already won their Super Bowl…..passing national, socialized health care.
….which is why I singled out Coburn. He IS one of the good guys. But I am at a loss why he and Demint and Sessions and Vitter have played nice and by McConnell’s rules. Now is a time to go rogue…..throw the hail mary…..or in our case on defense, bring the house.
Hit hard. Hit fast. Hit often.
http://twitter.com/stephen_halsey
Kowalski - And if...
Stephen Halsey (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:41PM EST (link)Cantor had provided leadership and kept the 8 GOP defectors who voted for this POS in the fold, Crap and Tax would have been defeated in the House….not that it’s going anywhere in the Senate but you never know. We all though HC would die and it didn’t. Now if something passes then who know how emboldened the Marxists might be. They just might try a cram down of Crap and Tax and Amnesty.
Hit hard. Hit fast. Hit often.
http://twitter.com/stephen_halsey
Stephen Halsey- Cantor is my rep also
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:08AM EST (link)Have you read any of the local tea party sites where everyone is so disgusted with him it’s amazing no one will primary. Do you know of any townhalls that he had back in August? I never heard of one. I had posted my dissapointment with him voting for TARP and my post was deleted.
Scope, I have...
Stephen Halsey (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:57AM EST (link)There is a lot of frustration in our district going back to TARP and leading the opposition one day only to cave and vote for it 4 days later. He totally dropped the ball on cap and trade and then got rolled on health care by the Stupak amendment.
I did go to his Advisory Council meeting back in August which was a brief defacto townhall….about 30 minutes of legislative updates and then maybe 20 minutes of Q&A. The beginning of the Q&A was pretty cordial, people expressing some frustration but by the end it got REALLY testy when pressed on the TARP vote, going along with all of the spending during the Bush 43 years, etc…He shut it down pretty quickly once he got some hard questions that he really couldn’t answer.
I know I get slammed here when I say stuff like this but the whole mess of them are the problem. I think all of here have in our mind how we’d like to see them fight. It’s seems pretty straightforward to us. But for some reason these guys just put forward the barest amount of opposition to say they did something to oppose it. I saw KBH on Fox and Friends this morning showing some of the debate before this morning’s vote and her attempt at feigned outrage was simply pathetic. I know she’s a RINO and all but it was like she was really struggling to come up with anything coherent and passionate to say in opposition of this mess. Why not start with it being simply un-Constitutional….That’s basic blocking and tackling folks and they can’t even get that right. And she’s not alone. They all show similar absence of rage and anger and frustration.
Hit hard. Hit fast. Hit often.
http://twitter.com/stephen_halsey
Steven Halsey- I meant to say
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 9:18AM EST (link)above that I commented on his website about my dissapointment with his TARP vote, and it got deleted. He’s like Obama in that he can’t take any opposition, as evidenced by your post about his mini kinda townhall. Unfortunately, we have a better chance in VA of getting rid of Perriello than Cantor.
Gee, Scope...
Raven (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 1:48PM EST (link)Got a little time and initiative? Think you can do better than Cantor? YOU primary him. Go to the Tea Party events and speak and put YOUR name out there.
And that goes for anyone in Cantor’s district who is tired of whining and Finally ready to DO something.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
Sorry Raven
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 2:12PM EST (link)His NRCC committee wouldn’t back me in the primary. Geez that wasn’t hard to figure out.
So... You won't stand up to the establishment
Raven (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 3:09PM EST (link)Because the establishment won’t back you…
Well, I’ll admit that whining IS easier than Doing.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
And you know this is a mistake based on the GOP success in MI?
rcov092 (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 10:12PM EST (link)n/t.
“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”
Join the RedState Strike Force
Shelby a NO on TARP, but he loves earmarks, I think
bigredone Tuesday, December 22nd at 6:25AM EST (link)Isn’t he an “earmarker”?
I don’t know if any of them are for real anymore. I want to believe DeMint is. Maybe Barasso. Johanns seems genuine enough, and so does Burr. Bunning is tough as nails, but he must be discouraged about leaving.
Find the NO votes on TARP from 2008, and you find your start. Sad fact–Coburn voted YES on TARP. Makes me want to cry…
I almost agree with you
wolfeman Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:16AM EST (link)Just please don’t put Shelby in the “real fighters” group. Shelby is one of the biggest sellouts in DC in my opinion. He voted for the huge Omnibus spending bill earlier this year to get his dear little earmarks. Then he just broke a Republican fillibuster the other day to vote for the 1.1 trillion dollar spending bill so he could more of his coveted earmarks. If he wouldn’t have broken ranks and broken the fillibuster, the senate may have still been working on the spending bill instead of having cloture on Obamacare already. Shelby is still a fiscally irresponsible democrat at heart just like he was before he changed parties. I’m from Alabama and unfortuneately voted for the Rino, but won’t make that mistake again. He’s precisely the kind we need to vote out. Definitely part of the problem not part of the solution.
Maybe, but...
merryj1 Tuesday, December 22nd at 12:32AM EST (link)Does anyone remember the (Clinton-era) “FBI Files” caper? There was reportedly a lot of dirt and a close-up view of skeltons inside most DC-critter closets. We know this bunch of Majority leadership-crud uses bribery and coercion to foster a ‘cooperative spirit’ among Dems; I don’t think they’d blink at flat-out blackmail on anyone, either party, that stands in their way..
I have a question:
writeblock Monday, December 21st at 10:45PM EST (link)Wouldn’t nullification only apply to some provisions of the bill and not others? For instance, how would the states eliminate the so-called “death panels” if Medicare is tied to federal control? It would seem that nullification would only work partially, to remedy only some of the problem. And what about the Supreme Court? Shouldn’t this be our first recourse if laws are unconstitutional?
Nullification can work in totality
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:55PM EST (link)The key would be in establishing an escrow account form which the states would pay the federal government once all state obligations are addressed.
Right now because of the federal income tax most states are unable to raise sufficient revenue to take care of their own needs and are dependent on federal funds for things like Medicare and Medicaid, infrastructure, education, etc. This allows the federal government to bribe or blackmail the states into doing the federal government’s bidding. Remember the 55 MPH speed limit> It was enforced by the threat of withholding highway funds.
This is simply using the money of a state’s own residents against the state.
If the federal income tax were never instituted or were a fraction of what it was now then the states would be able to raise enough money to take care of themselves.
Thus the escrow account. Rather than allowing a state’s residents to send money to DC, the state would collect all federal payments (income tax, SS, Medicare) and deduct from that total money to meet the state’s needs and then send the balance to DC for necessary and constitutional federal functions like defense.
The SCOTUS is stacked IMO against the Constitution and must therefore be ignored. I believe even Jefferson ignored a SCOTUS decision he believed was unconstitutional. I would have to take some time to look it up.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
Can individual states nullify payment of taxes?
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:54PM EST (link)Otherwise, the states that nullify will just find their taxes going to fund non-nullifying states’ complicity profilgacy.
If we can’t avoid funding it, it’s like a dinner where you’re on the hook for 1/50th of the check. The other 49 have ordered. Out of principal, are you going to go hungry?
We have to change that funding arrangement.
See my comment above regarding escrow
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:04PM EST (link)Taxes on individuals and businesses can be avoided but on products they probably can’t.
The 10th Amendment Center has a lot more info on this topic. I don’t know if you listen to Mike Church but even he’s starting to discuss this as a strategy for defeating the federal government. Or at least putting it back in its Constitutional bottle.
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/12/21/health-care-nullification-things-have-just-gotten-underway/
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
Read "Step 1"
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:21PM EST (link)At the following link for more info on an escrow account.
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/11/29/resist-dc-a-step-by-step-plan-for-freedom/
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
I love the idea of a state level tax escrow account...
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:45PM EST (link)Since the article at the link doesn’t mention any actual proposed state legislation, I assume it has not yet been brought to the floor of any state congress.
Sounds like one heck of a battle. Wouldn’t it be ironic if all Obama & Co manage is the takeover of an emaciated Federal Government?
George Jetson- Where do you come up with these
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:16AM EST (link)Are you saying we have become a Banana Republic?
Yes, we are becoming a Banana Republic :(
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 11:19AM EST (link)nt
6eorge Jetson, that is too clever...
penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 11:24AM EST (link)This administration is certainly giving you some great material to work with.
Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
When Good stands up to Evil, Evil blinks. – Vassar Bushmills
Conservative Education: Suggested Reading List
Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots
nt
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Thursday, December 24th at 1:15AM EST (link)Relevant Lawsuit filed
merryj1 Tuesday, December 22nd at 12:53AM EST (link)Larry Klayman, Judicial Watch, filed a suit for minutes, records and identities of attendees at all health care “reform” – related meetings, alleging various violations of FOIA and other laws, as well as other misfeasance.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/73257-lawyer-files-lawsuit-against-obama-administration-
The first of many, merryj1, the first of many. nt
redneck_hippie (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 11:22AM EST (link)They are showing their hand
redneck_hippie (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 9:43PM EST (link)and it is looking more and more like a fist. Underhanded doesn’t even begin to describe what they are doing. Criminal.
We are in ths midst of a coup
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 9:44PM EST (link)It doesn’t shock me in the least that Obama would be leading the coup, what shocks me to the core is that almost all of the Democrat party is going along with it. There are zero Democrats left that believe in and support our Constitution. I don’t know how Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have secured almost 100% of the Democrats’ support for this unconstitutional assault on our liberties but I think there are massive quantities of cash involved. And I don’t mean payoffs like that received by Landrieu and Nelson but I mean personal payoffs. And I wouldn’t be surprised to find George Soros behind the payoffs. If the GOP were operating as the Dems are the MSM would be screaming bloody murder 24/7.
We have to stand up and fight this Marxist overthrow of our Republic by any means necessary.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
DerKrieger- Not much different than Honduras
Scope (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:45AM EST (link)Remember the Libs support of Zelaya, and wanted him reinsted when he wanted to change their constitution. He was removed legally by their constitution, and the difference with them and us, is they abide by their constitution. And, the Hondurans cheered in the streets. Whatever happens here as a result of passing Obamacare will be more like Iran. Many dissenters will dissapear in the night.
Time to re-read...
ddstrain (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 9:44PM EST (link)The Nazi Seizure of Power by William Sheridan Allen.
Totalitarianism through democratic rather than violent means. Maybe we can get out of this in 12 years with less devastation.
I mean really
hoyasaxa Tuesday, December 22nd at 12:25AM EST (link)They’re trying to pass nationalized health care. Can’t we disagree with that, and the methods they’re employing, without envoking the freaking Nazis?!
I wouldn't worry about it
Brad Smith (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 9:44PM EST (link)One congress cannot bind another. This really doesn’t matter. The problem will be just repealing the thing period, even under the simple, traditional filibuster.
Brad Smith
Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault Designated Professor of Law
Capital University Law School
Capital University website
Center for Competitive Politics website
So far, Brad, this Congress has done all sorts of things
janis (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 9:53PM EST (link)that have no precedent. Why on earth would you assume that it’s still business as usual? And why would Sen. DeMint make a big deal out of something like this if indeed there is nothing to worry about?
If this type of "procedure" change
redneck_hippie (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:00PM EST (link)language cannot be produced as existing in prior legislation/law, then what?
Aren’t they saying that the words mean whatever they say they mean?
How can you repeal it without 60 votes in the Senate?
gemimail Tuesday, December 22nd at 4:21AM EST (link)This legislation is only passing because the Democrats have 60 votes in the Senate. By the same logic, it cannot repealed without 60 Republicans in the Senate. There is no way to gain 20 seats in 2010 and probably not 2012 either. Even if somehow you got it through the Senate, Obama would veto it. Even if you do have 60 votes, where are you going to get 7 more to override the veto? The problem is that nothing can be done about this disaster until 2013 at the earliest except to go to court. Think you can get 5 votes from SCOTUS that the Constitution does not authorize the feds taking over health care? Holding your breath on that could be fatal.
This why the socialists (oops I mean Democrats) are so desperate to get the idea of regulating health care through. IT CANNOT BE UNDONE ANY TIME SOON!!!
You cut the funding
Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:13AM EST (link)FIne .. you have your laws but if we cut the funding as part of a budget issue then we can do that with a simple majority.
But I agree with Brad that you cannot bind a future congress. I suspect that part will be found unconstitutional.
********
Formerly know as “Oz” in these parts
Just Another Reason To Lobby The House
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 9:50PM EST (link)This bill is not law and the best way to stop it is now. It is silly for some to assume that we are going to win three or four elections in a row with super conservative majorities in both houses and a conservative president. And then we can just undue all of this.
Stopping this in the House remains our best bet. The futute is now.
This is no time for dissolving...
Ben Howe (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 9:52PM EST (link)Dissolving the union would take much more time and pain then it would to just vote these bastards out of office. Maybe this is what it took to turn conservatives into activists I don’t know. Maybe this is how people felt in ’79 and it just wasn’t known because there was no alternative media and no internet.
Whatever the situation, we must use all the parliamentary procedures afforded to the minority party, use all the resources that the average american has. We must stop this bill from passing OR we must begin a litmus test for all Republican candidates: You want to be elected? Commit to repeal!
You can always find people to give you the answers that you think reinforce the facts you’ve already decided are true.
Follow @Ben_Howe
Look to your states
ashen Monday, December 21st at 10:10PM EST (link)I know I’m just one voice, but take your states or move to another fully conservative one. Arizona could use a nice influx of conservative libertarians. We have on the ballot in 2010 a state contitutional amendment that basically nullifies ocare. I pray itz enuff. Be prepared for martial law in the new year. War is coming, stay ready.
Arizona Health Care Freedom
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:16PM EST (link)http://www.azhealthcarefreedom.com/?
You are not alone: http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/12/21/health-care-nullification-things-have-just-gotten-underway/
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
And read my post above titled
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:17PM EST (link)“Nullification”
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
Nullification
katb9 Tuesday, December 22nd at 6:33AM EST (link)Tennessee has two of our Represenatives asking for the state to take up the Nullification of the HealthCare Bill 12.21.09
Meh.
NightTwister (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:10PM EST (link)When the Republicans regain control, they simply modify that procedureback to what it was.
What this really shows is that Reid knows this thing is dead once the Republicans have the majority again.
BTW, I thought they had a permanent majority. I guess even they don’t believe it anymore.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
Exactly
Brad Smith (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:18PM EST (link)nt
Brad Smith
Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault Designated Professor of Law
Capital University Law School
Capital University website
Center for Competitive Politics website
An honest question
gnomechumpsky Monday, December 21st at 10:11PM EST (link)I read a lot about the constitutionality of this bill, do we have to wait for it to be enacted to challenge it? How can it be challenged and who can do that. How can we help fund an effort to do so?
Simply put........
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:24PM EST (link)A person or group has to be harmed/damaged by legislation and then file briefs with the court.
So yes, we have to wait for enactment, then someone to be… well, you know…… offed by teh gubmint. Then, things can move to SCOTUS…..of course, that’s after all the pre-SCOTUS court filings and steps are taken.
Personally, I’d rather enjoy a Congressional blanket party right about now.
Did I just say that ?
I meant a Congressional Christmas party……. yeah….. that’s the ticket.
Oops, can’t say that either.
How about ‘a Congressional seasonal climate-change festival celebration that has no potentially offensive meaning whatsoever’.
I’ll stop now while I’m behind.
But the individual mandate...
writeblock Monday, December 21st at 10:51PM EST (link)…kicks in right away, doesn’t it? Wouldn’t this be cause enough to challenge the law in the SC?
Try it...... If you have the funds to get it going first in your regional Federal Court ?
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:14PM EST (link)Anything is possible…………. but the courts are pretty stacked – what a surprise.
We also have to consider that good ol’ Mr. Sunstein is quite probably gonna “nudge” his way into this not about health and not about care deal too with some regulations that will be teh awesum as well,
We have to wait to challenge it in the SCOTUS...
nessa (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 12:22AM EST (link)…but the SCOTUS is the Last Resort. The Constitution is supposed to be supported and defended by the very congress that now rides roughshod over it! The un-constitutionality needs to become the central point of the fight, along with the accompanying loss of liberty and the growth of government power. It will take years to get it to the SCOTUS and even then, the SCOTUS doesn’t want it. Kill the Bill, Now.
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Contributor to Unified Patriots
teh twitter
We have already been damaged by this legislation.
Cargosquid (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 1:32AM EST (link)Reid BRIBED fellow Senators.
$1.2 Billion of our money that they don’t have!
They don't have?
livefreenh Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:06AM EST (link)Never forget: The government does not have its own money, and they never did. It’s MY money they have.
I have lost a lot of sleep because of this Obamanation...doesn't that qualify me?
rcov092 (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 10:19PM EST (link)Look, these are the deepest pockets on the planted (gtanted, all printed at this point) their must be a shark in a lawyerskin suit who will press this on it unconstitutionality.
“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”
Join the RedState Strike Force
Sen. Casey says you can't be Pro-Life and be opposed to Obamacare
WarEagle01 (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:19PM EST (link)tonight on Gretta
“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg
“The alternative to the awful extremity of abortion is the indispensable joy of introducing this flawed world to someone who might make it better.”–John Hayward (AKA Dr. Zero)
what a jack-rearend Casey is... that has to be the dumbest ...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:27PM EST (link)statement I have today and the Dems have had a lot of them.
Today is a very sad day, all I can do is hang my head is disappointment. Oh well.
I knew Casey would say that
proudmarinemom (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:33PM EST (link)so I muted him and kept reading RS.
I just can’t listen to these jerks anymore.
I do the same...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:40PM EST (link)even if I am listening to Rush, I have to really mute it when Harry Reid talks because he is so full of horse manure. I have already ruined one mp3 player because of that useful 0bama idiot.
When I called Reid's office today, he minded me he was from Searchlight.
SoFiMil (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:50PM EST (link)The phone menu said, “Hi, I’m Senator Harry Reid, from Searchlight, Nevada.” …then I was given the option to route my call to his staff — which I quickly did.
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Casey is more feeble-minded than I thought.
Uma Richie (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:53PM EST (link)I decided to go through with visiting his office last week, despite the obvious futility of the errand. His staffer told me that his position was “for health reform.” She said that he was for the public option. She said that he would vote “for health reform” whether or not taxpayer funded abortions were in the bill. She insisted that he is pro-life.
The next day I discovered that I unwittingly exposed Casey’s office to a really nasty strain of strep. Is it wrong to hope that it passed along to him and the rest of the Democratic caucus? After all, God plagued the Egyptians.
Chances are, Uma, that the strep took a look around
janis (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:03PM EST (link)and rejected the opportunity. It found something even nastier than itself.
I hope you don’t get really sick again, but if you do, see if you can find it in you to visit the Senate Building.
LOL, Janis (nt)
Uma Richie (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:06PM EST (link)nt.
So, which Dem Senator was acting as the Senate President
eburke (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:25PM EST (link)during this totalitarian exchange?
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
Unified Patriots
Was probably a staffer..... The "we're too important for the silly stuff" Senators all had to get to the Redskins game.
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:29PM EST (link)I’m joking.
Am I ?
Any Democrat Senator wouldn't dare show his/her face, as they'd get a stadium full of boos.
SoFiMil (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:58PM EST (link)They’re coming home for the holidays and will not be seen in public. I’m going to call Congress Moran’s office anyway and ask if he’s having a town hall, and if not, why not?
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Hey Moe, have the Dems in the Senate declared war on the US yet?
Tbone (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:45PM EST (link)Just askin’
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Joe Arapaio
avgamerican (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 10:52PM EST (link)Several years ago Arizona Sheriff, Joe Arapaio threatened to “meet the feds with his posse” if they tried to interfere with development in part of his county. It was one of the greatest displays of state’s rights in the post modern era. I think DerKrieger has a point, but trying it in a state like California where I am seems next to impossible. But I would think Texas, Virginia, and Alabama could be very successful at regaining control. Infact I would think they may even be positioned already for nullification.
Oklahoma will be first
DerKrieger (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:09PM EST (link)I’ve written to the GOP candidate for OK Governor, Randy Brogdon, regarding nullification and he’s an enthusiastic supporter. Here is his reply to me on the subject:
Nullification for a state is an important tool that should be used to make sure the Federal Government doesn’t over-step their boundaries and assure checks and balances. I am willing to claim Oklahoma’s nullification on several unconstitutional legislation from the federal government. Here is
just a short list…
1. Federal Income Tax
2. ObamaCare (if passes)
3. Gas Tax
4. Mandates on Public Schools
Thanks for your question,
RB
Take the battle to the states. Elect conservatives to the legislatures and the governorships.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
It's Not Uncommon To Amend the Rules By Statute
AndrewHyman (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:02PM EST (link)Congress has often amended Senate Rules by statute. See this article for details.
Yes but . . .
Erick Erickson (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:44PM EST (link)The Senate has a long history of precedent they chose to ignore tonight that there must be a two-thirds procedural vote when the Senate decides to pass statutes that also change Senate rules.
Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?Follow @EWErickson
Budget Resolutions...
AndrewHyman (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 12:53AM EST (link)Budget resolutions cannot be filibustered, and instead are always passed by simple majority vote. So, if the majority party were to insert a rule change into a budget resolution, then the situation would be even stranger than it is now: 51 Senators (not 60) would be claiming power to amend the Standing Rules of the Senate even though 49 Senators try everything to block or filibuster the rule-change. Such a scenario does seem perverse, and I’m not sure if it has ever played out in real life (e.g. see footnote 96 of this article).
So, could we use that scenario to change this rule?
ceili_dancer (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 9:36AM EST (link)And wouldn’t that nullify the whole 2/3 super majority for anything?
Yes and No
AndrewHyman (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 12:26PM EST (link)The parliamentarian would probably say that the rule change would have to be related to budget stuff only.
worse than King George III, taxation without
dsmurf (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:07PM EST (link)representation anyone? Its the “UP YOURs Christmas week,” brought to you by our honored friends on the left.–I’m about ready to puke over these people. All the Republicans look conservative this week.
I’ve lost my religion while reading about how other one payer systems lose so many people to cancers that we have so far controlled so much more efficiently and the IBD survey of Drs that said that about half would consider quitting if this thing passes.
My response to Sen Cornyn’s survey, I got it today, was, “execute terrorists without trials and the more belligerent towards terrorists and the Democrats the better the candidate.”
I better lose a fortune contributing to my favorite candidate or else I won’t be able to make a decent budget next year with all these taxes about to be passed.
Bad Law is No Law
xwraith (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 11:19PM EST (link)I don’t see why they don’t challenge it immediately. Force the dems to try and implement it. Of course we may have to wait for a majority, but if it doesn’t take 67 votes to implement, it shouldn’t take 67 to throw it out.
in fact i remember reading that this subject has already been decided by the scotus
kyle8 (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 7:39AM EST (link)You cannot bind a future congress with more votes than you were able to muster. I think I remember that from years ago in college.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
We have the tools
jimmuy8 (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 12:40AM EST (link)Our founding documents give us all the legal authority we need.
There are dangerous times ahead, I fear.
This needs to be posted and reposted throughout the internet.
Veronica (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 1:40AM EST (link)People, FB it, make it available to your friends and collegues.
Let them know you will be available for questions.
Ignorance is killing us.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Pray as if everything depends on God, and work as if everything depends on us. – St. Augustine
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
senate
sarge324 Tuesday, December 22nd at 6:57AM EST (link)for all those 60 senators who voted the bill.your priorities are the party first than god and country,have you no shame.the american will stand up and be counted in 2010.you are worst than judas americans are going to stay mad and 2010 and 2012 will prove it.
TV ADS
NH_GOP Tuesday, December 22nd at 7:37AM EST (link)This fact must be spread far and wide… a TV ad must be made with appropriate music…. that we will be doomed if this is a failure (as we already know it will be) to being unable to repeal it.
Those are dangerous words
livefreenh Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:00AM EST (link)That declaration thing.
Isn’t that hate speech? Is that a racist statement?
And by the way, how come the Declaration doesn’t have a Bill of Rights attached to it? Or amendments?
I would love to see....
bigmaude Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:00AM EST (link)Harry Reid in front of a death panel, but he is exempt from those isn’t he? I know that when God made man He breathed the breath of life into him which made man a living soul, but I have never seen so many “souless” people in my life! Look into the eyes of these people, like a shark’s eyes, cold and lifeless. I remain in my own heart convinced this is what we get when we are TOO comfortable and only when we are NOT, we will get serious. Sidenote, next time you get the chance, look into Michelle Obama’s eyes, dark and cold. (just don’t throw up in your mouth when you do.)
One day Reid (as will we all) will stand before
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:12AM EST (link)THE life or death panel. He can try to explain then his support for the continued slaughter of innocents. Among other things.
5 Becker--will they pull a "kennedy"?
louisiana (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 9:16AM EST (link)The only problem with that is that none of us know when we will draw our last breath, so there is not always time to ask for forgiveness. My feelings? They are atheists at heart anyway & will probably be celebrating the Winter Solstice.
Need to hammer lawmakers over Christmas
Change Jar Conservative (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:17AM EST (link)There are still a few votes to go and any of those Senators or Reps who voted for this need to be hammerred every where they go … whether they are at an official event or just out Christmas shopping, they need to be challenged and booed (nothing violent please) …
They need to be asked about abortion, about backroom deals, etc.
********
Formerly know as “Oz” in these parts
Can we get an exemption to the no profanity rule here?
flipflop (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:21AM EST (link)We’re being steamrolled by this Congress. The worst part about this story is that the average voter will pay no attention to any story about Senate rules and procedures and the media won’t cover it because, well, they’re the media.
I can’t stand it.
We give up?
PatriotForLiberty Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:28AM EST (link)After the horrible vote, on the Senate floor McConnell just called Reid his good friend, said they talk several times a day and are working on a deal to bring this to an end, “in the not too distant future.” Sounded like we aren’t going to keep fighting, what’s wrong with these people? We really thought this has been killed and were shocked to hear it came back. We’ve called, emailed, contributed to Dick Morris’ Ben Nelson ads, and everything else we can think of. What happened to “dead on arrival” in the Senate? I don’t understand enough about all this, is there someone who can explain this more simply please?
This is nothing short of stunning...
jeannieology (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:36AM EST (link)Bastards!
Health Bill Kills Babies
mikek369 (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 8:38AM EST (link)It Is a Freedom Thing
Tuesday, December 22, 2009
Health Bill Infanticide
Senator Ben Nelson etal are big whores:
If ever there was a group of deluded fools, that would be the U.S. Senate. Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) has sold his soul to the devil along with the lives of millions of unborn children….and America, God says you are responsible.
Whether you be a Jew or gentile, God has warned you to be careful of those little lives entrusted to our care. The Jew has an old time pagan God named Molech. Molech is pictured as a torso of a bull with an open belly in which to make a fire. Sometimes the Jew would take a little baby and hold the baby above Molech’s outstretched hands and the baby feels the heat and cries. Sometimes the Jew places the baby on Molech’s hands and the baby is left with severe burns. And then there are the times that the Jew will actually put the baby in the fire built in Molech’s belly….and this my friends, is abortion, just not quite as efficiently as we do it today.
Today our abortion doctors have embraced science and can kill the baby within you in mere seconds…no need to make a big fire in some statue. America today is one fine killing machine.
“You must not give any of your children as an offering to Molech, so that you do not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.”
“The Lord spoke to Moses: You are to say to the Israelites, Any man from the Israelites or from the foreigners who reside in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech must be put to death; the people of the land must pelt him with stones. I, myself, will set my face against that man and cut him off from the midst of the people, because he has given some of his children to Molech and thereby defiled my sanctuary and profaned my holy name. If, however, the people of the land shut their eyes to that man when he gives some of his children to Molech so that they do not put him to death, I myself will set my face against that man and his clan. I will cut off from the midst of their people both him and all who follow after him in prostitution, to commit prostitution by going after Molech.” Leviticus 20:1-5.
Those who would kill their babies, those who observe this practice and say nothing are equally guilty in God’s eyes. So now, tell me Senator Ben Nelson and Senator Harry Reid, this little line that you are straddling as an attempt to assuage your guilt over the murdering of the innocent among us, do you think you are home free?
So called Christian women who vote democrat are no better. I, personally, cannot imagine how anyone killing babies in their womb or agreeing with this most high sin can think they have some sort of out. If you call yourself a Christian then you know that your “body is not your own and that you have been purchased with a price.” And ;you also know that it was Jesus Christ who paid the price for your body on the cross at Calvary’s Hill..
I for one will protest this evil legislation until it is repealed if passed. American patriots have already started a “Repeal the Bill” push and any congress person up for re-election in 2010 is going to be out on their respective butts. That includes the entire House of Representatives and 1/3 of the Senate.
As a Hoosier, I get to push Senator Evan Bayh out of office and I am sooooo looking forward to that.. Pack your crap Evan, Obama is going to have to find someone else with knee pads to take your place.
Posted by Fort Wayne Voice of Truth at Tuesday, December 22, 2009
Labels: Senator Nelson Off to Hell
Michael Konkel
The Gov. of NY & the Mayor of NYC - Health care bill is prescription for disaster
izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 9:15AM EST (link)Health care bill is prescription for disaster
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/12/22/2009-12-22_ny_pols_senates_plan_would_close_clinics_threaten_hosps_cost_1b_disgrace_of_a_he.html
Then why don’t you tell your Senators to STOP it????
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
The issue
tskier Tuesday, December 22nd at 9:30AM EST (link)Remember:
The issue is never the issue.
The issue is control.
On paper bags and fighting
technomage (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 9:30AM EST (link)What’s to stop the next congress from passing a law that states something like:
“Any bill or law containing,strictures on future actions of congress in the exercise of their vital constitutional duties are null and void until such strictures are removed from the bill or law via a simple majority vote”
Two can fit into that bag.
——-
Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it.
Who is John Galt?
A=A
Health Care Crosses the River Styx
snopercod Tuesday, December 22nd at 9:33AM EST (link)Posted at www.ashevilleteaparty.com
We're in Lord of the Flies Territory Now
TheYeomanFarmer (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 9:56AM EST (link)…and Harry Reid has got the conch shell.
All I could think, as I read this story was:
“We’ve got to have rules and obey them. After all, we’re not savages.”
States Rights Vs, Federal Unconstitutional Mandates!
madmarv Tuesday, December 22nd at 12:17PM EST (link)Kerry, Butler, TN
Dear Congressman and Senators,
I Urge you to Remember, the Tenth Amendment to OUR State Sovereignty!
Propose Legislation in Our State to Reject this Unconstitutional Takeover of Our Rights, Liberties and Pursuit of Happiness that Violates Our Civil Rights, and Takes away our Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, and Freedom of Assembly, and Finally “Freedom from” Tyranny!
Sir’s,
Remember the Constitution?
Remember Why It was Written over 200 Years Ago?
This Legislation Will Give US “WE THE PEOPLE” of Tennessee Back our Constitutional Rights, UNALIENABLE! BY GOD!
And Protected By this Document! You Swore to Uphold! And to Defend?
Against “All” Enemies? Foreign or Domestic?
If you Will Not do it In the Senate in Washington, Then We the People Demand, Our State to Represent US in Tennessee!
The real way to resist DC is not by begging politicians and judges in Washington to allow us to exercise our rights…it’s to exercise our rights whether they want to give us “permission” to or not.
Nullification – state-level resistance to unconstitutional federal laws – is the way forward.
When a state ‘nullifies’ a federal law, it is proclaiming that the law in question is void and inoperative, or ‘non-effective,’ within the boundaries of that state; or, in other words, not a law as far as that state is concerned.
It’s peaceful, effective, and has a long history in the American tradition. It’s been invoked in support of free speech, in opposition to war and fugitive slave laws, and more. Read more on this history here.
Regarding nullification and health care, there’s already a growing movement right now. Led by Arizona, voters in a number of states may get a chance to approve State Constitutional Amendments in 2010 that would effectively ban national health care in their states. Our sources here at the Tenth Amendment Center indicate to us that we should expect to see 20-25 states consider such legislation in 2010.
20 States resisting DC can do what calling, marching, yelling, faxing, and emailing has almost never done. Stop the feds dead in their tracks.
STATES UNDER THREAT
The state of Oklahoma is now the target of a direct challenge from US Attorney General Eric Holder, who is using the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as justification to violate Oklahoma’s sovereignty as affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution.
In a letter written to the State Attorney General in April, the Federal government used aggressive language, bringing up the possibility of withholding Federal funds appropriated for Oklahoma. The reason? A proposed amendment to the State Constitution, which requires voter approval, that would make English the official language of the State.
“What it indicates is the Federal Government’s contempt for the states, in this case Oklahoma, and for the idea of federal — as opposed to national — government. AG Holder believes that Oklahoma is an administrative subdivision of the USA, and that it is perfectly right for him to coerce Oklahomans to do his will. Who cares whether he has ever been to Oklahoma, met an Oklahoman, or thought about Oklahoma?” said Kevin Gutzman, an American historian and New York Times bestselling author.
Oklahoma is not alone as a state challenged by central authority in recent months. Recently, federal firearms licensees in Tennessee and Montana received a letter from another Federal agency, the ATF, who had also issued a decree wrought with hubris – claims by the Federal government of their legal supremacy across the land.
DESTROYING LOCAL GOVERNMENT
“Both of these letters, particularly this letter to the Attorney General of Oklahoma, are very officious,” observed Rob Natelson, professor of law at the University of Montana. “It reminds one eerily of the kinds of communications that started to come out from the Emperor to the local cities of the Roman Empire, beginning the course of the ultimate destruction of local government.”
Professor Natelson is a widely-recognized expert on the framing and adoption of the United States Constitution, and on several occasions, he has been the first to uncover key background facts about the Constitution’s meaning. I knew this before our conversation. What I didn’t know, however, was that he’s also been studying Roman Law and history for the past 50 years, and is responsible for several works in that field.
“During the 2nd century AD, the Roman Emperors began increasingly to interfere with local government and they did this with…letters…letters that look something like this,” continued Natelson, indicating the letter from Holder to Oklahoma. “They started out as almost advisory and they got increasingly peremptory. By the end of the 2nd century, there was very little local government left. You had very few people, therefore, willing to participate in local elections; very little patriotic spirit towards one’s own province or city. And this was the harbinger for the ultimate centralization of the Roman Empire.”
He continued with a strong, decisive tone, “Almost everyone who’s studied in that area agrees that the effect was to sap the life out of the empire, so that everything flowed to the center. All that counted was the Emperor and his bureaucrats…and his courtiers. I look at this and I see this letter which gets close to looking like an order from the central government down to a sovereign state legislature, and I say…WOW. This looks like something that Septimius Severus would have sent to the local officials.”
In Columbus, Ohio last weekend, a rally in support of State Sovereignty drew around 7,000 people. Judge Andrew Napolitano addressed the rally and made similar comments indicating the nature of our current point in US history.
“In the long history of the world, very few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its maximum hour of danger. This is that moment and you are that generation”
IMPERIALISM AND DECLINE
Are these men ‘crying wolf’?
“Some people might think that’s a far fetched analogy but I can’t emphasize enough how important this development is seen by historians. When people think of the collapse of the Roman Empire they think of the fall of Rome in 476 AD. The conversion of Rome from a relatively free state – almost a Federation – into a totalitarian state, really picked up speed and accelerated during the 2nd century [AD], with this increasing intermeddling by the central authorities in local state government. That’s what it reminded me of,” recalled Natelson.
“[The DOJ] are not violating any law by sending these letters, but there’s a change in tone, there’s a new and disturbing tone in them. At least the ATF letter was addressed to individuals. This one is addressed to a state legislature – really, it’s a bit much. Besides the fact that there’s the tone, there’s the fact that they sent the letters at all. Most of the letters that were sent out by the emperor were called rescripts, and that’s almost what [the letter from Holder] looks like. The one difference is that a rescript was usually a reply to a request for advice. In some ways this is worse than a rescript because this is unsolicited. A better way to compare it would be to an imperial constitutio – an imperial decision or decree.” Natelson added.
His Roman analogy is worth considering, for several reasons. Rome may have ended up a brutal dictatorship, but it began through a series of treaties between regions, and in some ways parallels present day America.
“When you draw comparisons between the U.S. and ancient Rome, you have to be very cautious, though Rome does have lessons to offer us and the history and results of the relentless centralization of the Empire is one of them,” Natelson continued.
THE OTHER WAY AROUND
If there’s a case to be made that the US is headed for the same sort of central plan that sucks the life out of a Republic, it would be difficult to imagine who in the United States could be encouraged by such a trend, outside of DC’s beltway.
“Certainly state legislators in Oklahoma and congressmen from Oklahoma should put the Federal Government on notice that they will support a substantial reduction in the budget for Holder’s portion of the federal bureaucracy so long as he is trying to coerce them in this way.” recommended Gutzman.
Worldwide trends in recent political elections do exhibit signs of a move away from central planner candidates, a trend the United States has been contrary to for nearly a decade, but perhaps the pendulum has reversed itself.
“As the economy grows increasingly complicated, increasingly interdependent and increasingly technological, centralized control (which never worked very well) works less and less, and people are less willing to stand for it. This reflects a visceral gut reaction people have against centralized control, because they know from their own life it makes no sense, though it always takes time for those mega-trends to filter into the political class,” Natelson continued. “Eventually, when a mule gets hit over the head enough times it figures out what’s going on, and eventually the politicians will figure out what’s going on, too.”
People in the US are coming together by the thousands, demanding decentralization and nullification of Federal powers.
Never before have the political elites had to contend with a non-partisan political force on such a massive scale.
Sir,
A storm seems to be brewing; a maelstrom of everyday Americans rallying around the document designed to keep the government in fear of the people – instead of the other way around.
Please Respond to this, and Answer the Questions, it Raises,
“WHO DO YOU” WORK FOR? US or The Obama Administration?
If The Latter Sir’s We Will Recall and Replace you ALL!
We Might NOT wait till November 2010! But By “God “as My “Witness” Sir’s,
“ We Sure as Hell Will” THEN!
if you Do Not Understand, “THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE” IN TENNESSEE!
Kerry Marvin/USN/DAV/68-77. I Keep My Oath To Protect and Defend the Constitution from All Enemies, Foreign, And Now Domestic with this Administration’s Unconstitutional Mandates. You Would be Reminded to Keep Yours Too! There is a Price for Our Freedom!
And That, has been Paid for with the Blood and Tears of Generations.
You Would Dishonor them and US if you Do Nothing to Defend the U.S.
and Our Constitution!
Both Of them, For The Tennessee Constitution, and the US. Constitution and the Bill of Rights they represent!
To Do Otherwise, Sir is TREASON!
Addressed to:
Click to view…Senator AlexanderSenator BennettSenator ByrdSenator ChamblissSenator CochranSenator DoddSenator DurbinSenator EnsignSenator FeinsteinSenator HutchisonSenator InouyeSenator McConnellSenator MurraySenator NelsonSenator PryorSenator RobertsSenator SchumerSenator UdallSenator WarnerSenator CardinSenator CoburnSenator CornynSenator DurbinSenator FeingoldSenator FeinsteinSenator FrankenSenator GrahamSenator GrassleySenator HatchSenator KaufmanSenator KlobucharSenator KohlSenator KylSenator LeahySenator SchumerSenator SessionsSenator SpecterSenator WhitehouseCongressman BilbrayCongressman BurtonCongressman ChaffetzCongresswoman ChuCongressman ClayCongressman ConnollyCongressman CooperCongressman CuellarCongressman CummingsCongressman DavisCongressman DriehausCongressman DuncanCongressman FlakeCongressman FortenberryCongressman FosterCongressman HodesCongressman IssaCongressman JordanCongressman KanjorskiCongresswoman KapturCongressman KennedyCongressman KucinichCongressman LuetkemeyerCongressman LynchCongresswoman MaloneyCongressman McHenryCongressman MicaCongressman MurphyCongresswoman NortonCongressman QuigleyCongressman SchockCongressman SouderCongresswoman SpeierCongressman TierneyCongressman TownsCongressman TurnerCongressman Van HollenCongresswoman WatsonCongressman WelchCongressman WestmorelandCongressman ArcuriCongressman CardozaCongressman Diaz-BalartCongressman DreierCongresswoman FoxxCongressman HastingsCongresswoman MatsuiCongressman McGovernCongressman PerlmutterCongresswoman PingreeCongressman PolisCongressman SessionsCongresswoman SlaughterCongressman BonnerCongressman ButterfieldCongresswoman CastorCongressman ChandlerCongressman ConawayCongressman DentCongressman HarperCongresswoman LofgrenCongressman McCaulCongressman WelchCongressman BecerraCongresswoman BerkleyCongressman BlumenauerCongressman BoustanyCongressman BradyCongresswoman Brown-WaiteCongressman CampCongressman CantorCongressman CrowleyCongressman DavisCongressman DavisCongressman DavisCongressman DoggettCongressman EtheridgeCongressman HellerCongressman HergerCongressman HigginsCongressman JohnsonCongressman KindCongressman LarsonCongressman LevinCongressman LewisCongressman LinderCongressman McDermottCongressman MeekCongressman NealCongressman NunesCongressman PascrellCongressman PomeroyCongressman RangelCongressman ReichertCongressman RoskamCongressman RyanCongresswoman SanchezCongresswoman SchwartzCongressman StarkCongressman TannerCongressman ThompsonCongressman TiberiCongressman Van HollenCongressman Yarmuth
CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE OF INSTRUCTION
madmarv Tuesday, December 22nd at 12:24PM EST (link)Richard
Indianapolis, IN
CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE OF INSTRUCTION
STATE CONSTITUTION (EXCERPT) CONSTITUTION OF Indiana
http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/inconst/art-1.html#sec-1.
ARTICLE I. Bill of Rights
Section 31. Right of assemblage and petition
Section 31. No law shall restrain any of
the inhabitants of the State from assembling together
in a peaceable manner, to consult for their common good;
nor from instructing their representatives;
nor from applying to the General Assembly for
redress of grievances.
TO: Senators Lugar and Bayh
Via Email Form on Your Websites
Dear Senators:
It is my understanding from the news reports that you are scheduled to vote in this Illegal and Unconstitutional Health Care Reform Act on Monday at 1 am.
I am putting you on CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE OF INSTRUCTION that you do not have any LEGAL CONSTITUTIONAL authority to vote yes on this issue. Therefor, you must vote no or you will be in VIOLATION of your OATH OF OFFICE and subject to removal.
Congress lacks the constitutional authority to regulate and control the practice of medicine in the jurisdiction of the States.
See Linder v. United States (caselaw.lp.findlaw.com…), 268 U.S. 5, 18, 45 S.Ct. 446 (1925) (“Obviously, direct control of medical practice in the states is beyond the power of the federal government”);
Lambert v. Yellowly (caselaw.lp.findlaw.com…), 272 U.S. 581, 589, 47 S.Ct. 210 (1926) (“It is important also to bear in mind that ‘direct control of medical practice in the States is beyond the power of the Federal Government.’ Linder v. United States 268 U.S. 5, 18. Congress, therefore, cannot directly restrict the professional judgment of the physician or interfere with its free exercise in the treatment of disease. Whatever power exists in that respect belongs to the states exclusively.”)
Oregon v. Ashcroff (openjurist.org…), 368 F.3d 1118, 1124 (9th Cir. 2004) (“The principle that state governments bear the primary responsibility for evaluating physician assisted suicide follows from our concept of federalism, which requires that state lawmakers, not the federal government, are ‘the primary regulators of professional [medical] conduct.’ Conant v. Walters, 309 F.3d 629, 639 (9th Cir. 2002);
Barsky v. Bd. of Regents (supreme.justia.com…), 347 U.S. 442, 449, 74 S.Ct 650, 98 L.ED. 829 (1954) (‘It is elemental that a state has broad power to establish and enforce standards of conduct within its broders relative to the health of everyone there. It is a vital part of a state’s police power.’) The Attorney General ‘may not…regulate [the doctor-patient] relationship to advance federal policy.’ Conant, 309 F3d at 647 (Kozinski, J., concurring).”)
And certain features of this proposed law will certainly be unconstitutional; see:
United States v. Constantine (supreme.justia.com…), 296, U.S. 287, 56 S.Ct. 223 (1935) “We think the suggestion has never been made — certainly never entertained by this Court — that the United States may impose cumulativepenalties above and beyond those specified by state law for infractions of the state’s criminal code by its own citizens. The affirmative of such a proposition would obliterate the distinction between the delegated powers of the federal government and those reserved to the states and to their citizens. The implications from a decision sustaining such an imposition would be startling. The concession of such a power would open the door to unlimited regulation of matters of state concern by federal authority. The regulation of the conduct of its own citizens belongs to the state, not to the United States. The right to impose sanctions for violations of the state’s laws inheres in the body of its citizens speaking through their representatives. So far as the reservations of the Tenth Amendment were qualified by the adoption of the Eighteenth, the qualification has been abolished. (emphases added)
THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION
www.legislature.mi.gov…
Article. IV.
Section. 3.
Clause 2: The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.
CONSTITUTION OF MICHIGAN
www.legislature.mi.gov…
OF
1835
ARTICLE I
BILL OF RIGHTS
Political power.
First. All political power is inherent in the people.
Right of the people.
2. Government is instituted for the protection, security, and benefit of the people; and they have the right at all times to alter or reform the same, and to abolish one form of government and establish another, whenever the public good requires it.
Right to assemble and petition.
20. The people shall have the right freely to assemble together, to consult for the common good, to instruct their representatives, and to petition the legislature for redress of grievances.
Acts void.
21. All acts of the legislature contrary to this or any other article of this Constitution shall be void.
I require a DETAILED RESPONSE to this if you think I am in error in any way regarding this assertion. I demand a response.
Richard C. Fiscus
5642 Foxglove Ln
Indianapolis, IN 46254
(317) 752-6125
Email – westchase54@att.net
Complain to media
renny (Diary) Tuesday, December 22nd at 12:35PM EST (link)ABC News
77 W. 66 St., New York, NY 10023
Phone: 212-456-7777
General e-mail: netaudr@abc.com
Nightline: nightline@abcnews.com
20/20: 2020@abc.com
_______________________________
CBS News
524 W. 57 St., New York, NY 10019
Phone: 212-975-4321
Fax: 212-975-1893
Email forms for all CBS news programs
CBS Evening News: evening@cbsnews.com
The Early Show: earlyshow@cbs.com
60 Minutes II: 60m@cbsnews.com
48 Hours: 48hours@cbsnews.com
Face The Nation: ftn@cbsnews.com
_______________________________
CNBC
900 Sylvan Avenue, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632
Phone: (201) 735-2622
Fax: (201) 583-5453
Email: info@cnbc.com
_______________________________
CNN
One CNN Center, Box 105366, Atlanta, GA 30303-5366
Phone: 404-827-1500
Fax: 404-827-1784
Email forms for all CNN news programs
_______________________________
Fox News Channel
1211 Ave. of the Americas, New York, NY 10036
Phone: (212) 301-3000
Fax: (212) 301-4229
comments@foxnews.com
List of Email addresses for all Fox News Channel programs
Special Report with Bret Baier: Special@foxnews.com
FOX Report with Shepard Smith: Foxreport@foxnews.com
The O’Reilly Factor: Oreilly@foxnews.com
Hannity: Hannity@foxnews.com,
On the Record with Greta: Ontherecord@foxnews.com
Glenn Beck: GlennBeck@foxnews.com
_______________________________
MSNBC/NBC
30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, NY 10112
Phone: (212) 664-4444
Fax: (212) 664-4426
List of Email addresses for all MSNBC/NBC news programs
Dateline NBC: dateline@nbcuni.com
Hardball with Chris Matthews: hardball@msnbc.com
MSNBC Reports with Joe Scarborough: joe@msnbc.com
NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams: nightly@nbc.com
NBC News Today: today@nbc.com
_______________________________
PBS
2100 Crystal Drive, Arlington VA 22202
Phone: 703-739-5000
Fax: 703-739-8458
The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer: newshour@pbs.org
National Newspapers
The Los Angeles Times
202 West First Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Phone: 800-528-4637 or 213-237-5000
Fax: 213-237-4712
L.A. Times Contact Information by Department
Letters to the Editor: letters@latimes.com
Readers’ Representative: readers.rep@latimes.com
_______________________________
The New York Times
620 8th Ave., New York, NY 10018
Phone: 212-556-1234
D.C. Bureau phone: 202-862-0300
Fax: 212-556-3690
Letters to the Editor (for publication): letters@nytimes.com
Write to the news editors: news-tips@nytimes.com
Corrections: senioreditor@nytimes.com
New York Times Contact Information by Department
How to Contact New York Times Reporters and Editors
_______________________________
USA Today
7950 Jones Branch Dr., McLean, VA 22108
Phone: 703-854-3400
Fax: 703-854-2078
Letters to the Editor: editor@usatoday.com
Give feedback to USA Today
_______________________________
The Wall Street Journal
200 Liberty St., New York, NY 10281
Phone: 212-416-2000
Fax: 212-416-2658
Letters to the Editor: wsj.ltrs@wsj.com
Comment on News Articles: wsjcontact@dowjones.com
_______________________________
The Washington Post
1150 15th St., NW, Washington, DC 20071
Phone: 202-334-6000
Fax: 202-334-5269
Letters to the Editor: letters@washpost.com
Ombudsman: ombudsman@washpost.com
Contact Washington Post Writers and Editors
_______________________________
National Magazines
Newsweek
251 W 57th Street, New York, NY 10019
Phone: 212-445-4000
Fax: 212-445-5068
Letters to the Editor: letters@newsweek.com
_______________________________
Time
Time & Life Bldg., Rockefeller Center, 1271 6th Ave., New York, NY 10020
Phone: 212-522-1212
Fax: 212-522-0003
Letters to the Editor letters@time.com
_______________________________
U.S. News & World Report
1050 Thomas Jefferson St., Washington, DC 20007
Phone: 202-955-2000
Fax: 202-955-2049
Letters to the Editor letters@usnews.com
News Services / Wires
Associated Press (AP)
450 West 33rd St., New York
Thank You,
madmarv Tuesday, December 22nd at 1:06PM EST (link)I Just Sent Mine and Mr. Fiscus Leters To The Whole LIst..I Think They Just Went VIRAL! Let’s see and Wait for the Reaction!
Great Tool. Hope MOre Use It! 2010! Never Again! 2012! With Resolve!
A totally different storey
ReaganLives Friday, December 25th at 12:45AM EST (link)Let our senators play their little games while they can.They need only to keep one point in mind: that votes cast from the rooftops trump votes cast from the floor.
How can a president not be an actor?
- Ronald Reagan
Reagan Lives Blog