Larry Pratt of Gun Owners for America is one of those savant types like Michael Barone. Where Barone can tell you everything about your neighborhood regardless of him ever having been there, Larry Pratt can quote you chapter and verse of legislation passed and the maneuverings to pass it.
Many of us have been pounding the drum for weeks and weeks that Mitch McConnell’s “messaging strategy” to defeat the health care deform legislation was half-hearted and not going to work.
May of you responded sympathetically to McConnell’s plight, though I contend that any strategy premised on keeping Olympia Snowe strategy is doomed to failure.
There was a better strategy all along. Judd Gregg outlined it in a memo weeks and weeks ago. It fell on deaf ears in the Minority Leader’s office. I wrote my now heavily trafficked post Fight that suggested similar tactics.
Finally the Senate GOP seemed to be responding, but by and large it was too little too late.
Out of frustration, Larry Pratt pulled forth from his database of Senate debacles Mitch McConnell’s history of defeating big ticket, controversial items.
Read below and you’ll see that if the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again expecting a different result, our fearless Minority Leader might be insane.
Senator Mitch McConnell has lost almost every major legislative battle he has managed.
In the early ’90′s, he managed opposition to the Motor Voter Bill, which encouraged groups like ACORN to register fraudulent voters. McConnell refused to filibuster the motion to take up the bill — something that would have served as a key delaying tactic.
Moreover, Sen. McConnell sat by idly as sponsors of the bill played “let’s make a deal” — offering amendment after amendment to buy off opponents of the bill. A bill, which initially had more than enough votes to kill it, ended up passing because of McConnell’s ill-advised strategy.
A decade later, McConnell managed the opposition to the Incumbent Protection Act a/k/a the Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act to take away the free speech rights of Second Amendment groups during heated elections. McConnell threatened and cajoled to prevent Republican senators from offering “killer amendments” to the bill. McConnell explained that he would bring a lawsuit to overturn it in the courts.
Well, after the bill’s passage, McConnell did bring a lawsuit. He lost.
Now, Senate Minority Leader McConnell could once again end up losing this historic battle against anti-gun ObamaCare legislation — when we have it within our power to defeat it.
There is a substantial cadre of Senate Republicans who want to slow down this anti-gun abomination. The bill that lurked for six weeks behind closed doors in Harry Reid’s office is now being pushed by Reid for Senate passage in no time at all.
But rather than delaying this legislation and allowing the American people the time to continue building opposition against socialized health care, Senator McConnell seems all-to-willing to speed the bill along.
Consider what one Republican Senator admitted on the Bill Bennett radio show two weeks ago. When asked what was the Republican strategy for defeating ObamaCare, Senator John Kyl responded: ”Actually, I think we can be fairly upfront about it. Our strategy is not actually to delay [but] to have a lot of good amendments and highlight the problems in the bill. It is not our strategy to somehow slow things down.”
This is exactly what is happening before our eyes. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has done everything in his power to expedite this bill:
- Over and over again, he has gone along with agreements to limit debate time and limit the amendments that can be offered.
- Over and over again, he has gone along with agreements to automatically withdraw Republican amendments if they didn’t get 60 votes, rather than the usual 51.
- Over and over again, he has negotiated agreements which allow the meaningful Republican amendments to be easily superseded by meaningless, Democratic, face-saving amendments.
We should also point out that under Mitch McConnell’s leadership, the Senate GOP has gone from 55 Senators to 40.
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Joe Cor (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:40PM EST (link)but let’s not forget that President Bush bears a huge share of the blame here. He invented the politics of self-destruction, refusing to challenge the left’s libels for eight years. Instead he flattered them, covered up for them, and even to this day is inclined to compliment Obama while Obama trashes him. Is this monumentally unintelligent strategy at all to blame for the 60 seats the Democrats have in the Senate? I believe it is the number 1 reason.
And as long as we’re talking about doing the same unintelligent thing over and over again, President Bush was a champion at that strategy. Rather than take his case to the American people, he simple doubled-down on new tone, and doubled down again when it continued not to work. In the process, he managed to so completely discredit his own policies that left-wing radicals were able to take control of the country.
McConnell may have fought badly, but he was dealing with a stacked deck from the start. And I believe GWB is greatly to blame for that, and he should not be given a free ride for what he did.
W is mainly why we only have 40 in the senate
antisocialist Saturday, December 19th at 8:48PM EST (link)He would almost never defend himself or his policies no matter how outrageously the Dems attacked him. Plus he was very inarticulate when he would discuss the issues. He didn’t seem to care at all that the endless Democratic attacks against him drove his approval ratings to the 20s and that these unanswered attacks would result in a socialist winning the next Pres election and the Dems winning big in both houses of Congress. W’s strategy made no sense at all. If we had a President Ann Coulter or Mark Levin, they would have counterattacked the Dems with a vengeance and Obama wouldn’t have been elected in ’08. It’s not all W’s fault though. Given the fact that W was unwilling/unable to defend his policies, why in the world didn’t someone else in the administration do this job for him? Or someone in the house or senate? Is there some law against Republican admininstration types or Republican pols defending their President?
Cheney was muzzled, as I understand
Joe Cor (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:05PM EST (link)See how effective he’s been post Bush presidency.
What Joe said plus
mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:21PM EST (link)If the guy at the top of the pyramid won’t defend himself – and in some cases agrees with the opposition in the face of the truth – and muzzles the really effective attack dog (Cheney), nobody else is going to stand up in the peanut gallery and make his case.
At the end of the day, we’re where we are in large measure because of the Republicans version of Jimmy Carter, GW Bush.
Not Carter, Clinton.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 12:35AM EST (link)Carter was even incompetent on a rescue mission to save our diplomats. I’m no fan of Bush’s spending and not much for most of his social plans (No Child Left Behind, Government prescription program, signing off on McCain-Feingold) but at least he was able to conduct a war. Not always in the best way, but even on his worst days he was better than Carter on his best. Also, Carter wasn’t so bad we got both houses when he got the boot. That would have been Clinton. And the similarities to Clinton’s sacrificing of Congress critters so long as his own poll numbers were high is eerily similar.
Carter.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 1:02AM EST (link)Bush was better with the military. And just marginally better on foreign policy because he spent the last five years of his administration hiding under his desk.
Domestically he was a disaster. He fronted legislation that layed the groundwork for BO. He allowed the Party to be damn near destroyed and if we come back it will be more because of BO incompetence than any Republican leadership.
If we're going to deflect blame from McConnell and blame past Republican mistakes...let's not forget McCain
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 8:38AM EST (link)who actually said during the campaign that Obama would be a good president and wouldn’t fight at all…
but what’s the point…Bush isn’t there now…and McCain is making a pretty good fight of it despite McConnell and his fifth column behavior!
We Need Jim Demint to be Republican Leader
ringthelibertybell Sunday, December 20th at 2:14AM EST (link)Not trying to court favor, but I agree with Erick totally on this. It is bad enough to see the sickening corruption that is bringing our Country down.
How many true Conservatives are actually in Congress? Why don’t even these Republican politicians see what they are doing to the United States? It will take our grand-children’s lifetimes, to turn back this march toward Statism, that these insidious and traitorous Democrat Progressives have done to our beloved Country. Is this what all the veterans have spilled their blood for?
The 2010 elections are going to be huge. Tell as many people as you can to get registered to vote in the primary’s of your State early in 2010.
I was just sitting here musing that Demint or Coburn should challenge McConnell for leadership if this passes
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 8:43AM EST (link)and I hope there is a move affoot among Senators to encourage them to do so!
Bush isn't in the game now...McConnell is...and It's 4th and 1 on his own 30 yeard line with 3 seconds left in the game and he elected to punt
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 8:34AM EST (link)Brilliant!!!
Bush
bcomber38 Tuesday, July 19th at 6:21AM EST (link)Can we give bush a break?I have a news flash for you.Bush is not the president.I never agreed with bush on many of his programs.I thought he was wobbly.BUT he is not the president.obama is.So lets put the blame today7/19/11 on the people who are in power.I could go back to fdr and blame him.Or nixon,ford,carter,reagan,ghwbush.clinton,GWbush.Do we dare blame the current president obama.BUSH,BUSH,BUSH.
Rudderless
golds1 Saturday, December 19th at 5:42PM EST (link)There has been no on steering the Republican ship for a long time. It is way past time for new leadership – from top to bottom.
We need aggressive, conservative leadership…someone needs to step up quickly, or we will soon not recognize our country.
No, like a stopped watch being right twice a day,
The_Gadfly (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 12:36AM EST (link)a rudderless ship will at least on occasion steer the correct way from sheer randomness. This is worse.
Who should be Minority Leader?
shadowtax (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:46PM EST (link)Is there sanity out there?
Coburn or DeMint works for me (nt)
eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:47PM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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DeMint will have a broader ange of influence...
rcov092 (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 8:46PM EST (link)Coburn has a special place as the conscience of the Senate. We need him to continue that but he needs a Leader who will support nhim. DeMint is the one.
#mitchgone tweet it, its trendy!
“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”
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Demint is my Senator. He is fantastic.
shadowtax (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:32PM EST (link)I still don’t see him as a Minority Leader. Besides, as far as I can tell, Coburn and Demint have been on board with McConnell’s strategy. Either they agreed with it, or they buckled to party pressure. The latter just doesn’t gel with their reputations.
I do not think that there is any Republican in the Senate any better than McConnell. I’m open to suggestions, but thus far I have seen very little constructive discussion about replacing him. Sure, Erick said the strategy would fail, but apparently it is all over now. He’s not in the Senate yet. And if it is too late to change strategies, maybe we give up. What good is a new face at this point?
DeMint
CarolT (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 12:29AM EST (link)Senator DeMint is my favorite republican senator. He should assume leadership and though I hate to say it, McConnell is a lot like McCain in last year’s election, lifeless, with no fire in his eyes or heart. We need someone willing to defeat this horrible bill and take great pleasure in it, DeMint is the one who can do it.
It’s itme to retire all who show no guts, life, etc. They should step down and let people that have fire to take over.
What do the "gun" references mean?
Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:48PM EST (link)Just askin’.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Don't know the specifics because nobody's read the bill,
Achance (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:51PM EST (link)but many think CommieCare will be used as the hook to consider guns a public health issue and regulate them from that perspective.
In Vino Veritas
They removed the gun requirement
countessolenska Saturday, December 19th at 6:56PM EST (link)The bill does not require individuals to disclose whether they own a gun. Gun ownership cannot be factored into premiums or coverage decisions.
All it takes is a finding by the Sec HSS that guns
Achance (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:09PM EST (link)are a public health hazard.
And you still haven’t convinced me either that you’re not a troll. Why don’t you write a diary laying out some strategy against CommieCare or some such and convince a bunch of us you aren’t just here to do Concern Troll stuff.
In Vino Veritas
Yep, and even if the original bill did specifically exclude it,it
The_Gadfly (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 12:40AM EST (link)Dingy Harry’s “replacement amendment” might remove that language as part of “the compromise.” That’s the problem with a bill or amendment nobody’s seen: you don’t know what’s in it.
These are very disturbing assertions.
Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:54PM EST (link)It’s clear that the more the people find out about the coming health care disaster, the less they are willing to tolerate it. Given that, the obvious strategy is to delay for time, not expedite our demise.
“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964
Yet there is still no sign that they will delay it at all...If they fight and lose noone can fault them...but to just lay down like this is sickening! nt
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 8:49AM EST (link)McConnell has failed.
Mayhem (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:00PM EST (link)When your leader fails, you fail.
Erick has been warning us about McConnell for a long time. This past month has proved him right. I know we are in the middle of the game, but a new coach might not be a bad idea, especially going into the midterms. Is there no one in the GOP caucus who will stand up and pledge to be an aggressive party leader?
I wrote my thoughts on this earlier today:
http://www.redstate.com/mayhem/2009/12/19/its-time-to-hit-the-refresh-button-on-the-senate-gop-leadership/
James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.
We don't need a leaderhip battle yet...but it's time for some conservative Senayors to go maverick! nt
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 8:50AM EST (link)Mitch should go...
Vassar Bushmills (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:07PM EST (link)We’ve been saying this all day…
But tonight!!!!
Coburn, DeMint, my sister’s black cat’s arse…who cares.
I even told him in a personal letter two months ago.
But if he’s been in the bag for this criminal cabal, then….
The healthcare bill is fascist, not socialist
robert09 Saturday, December 19th at 6:09PM EST (link)After reading hundreds of republican posts in opposition to the healthcare bill, most of you are stating the bill is “socialist”. In my opinion, that’s not an accurate description. A more accurate description would be “fascist” healthcare. What the democrats are about to do is create another huge subsidy for private industry – this time the insurance industry. While it’s true that the feds will have a huge new regulatory power with mandates that force citizens to purchase insurance whether they want it or not, why do you think the feds are doing this ? I’ll tell you why…to placate the insurance industry who has supported the bill from the start.
My point is this, McConnell might have given lip service to defeating the bill, but as long as the health insurance lobby, (which includes democrats and republicans)supports the bill, the senate republicans were never going to do anything in dramatic fashion to defeat it.
The only way to take this country back is by electing fiscal conservatives in the house who put their constituents first instead of the corporate/government establishment.
Keep watching. The conference bill, if it
redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:17PM EST (link)retains public option, will kill the insurance companies. The whole thing is stealth, and I can now see the senate bill is cover as Night Twister so aptly pointed out.
It's corporatism/fascism - you're right
countessolenska Saturday, December 19th at 7:00PM EST (link)You make an interesting point about McConnell and the Republicans not wanting to come down hard against the insurance lobby.
Troll alert?
roscopico (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:45PM EST (link)What in heaven’s name could they have done? And what in the heck are you talking about?
Our party did not write this bill. They did not negotiate this bill. The were not shown this bill. They do not have the majority, and as sure as sh(* they did not bring this to the floor.
Come down on Insurance companies?
That is the job of the Statist party, as the insurance companies are the new convenient Emmanuel Goldstein. Before it was the bankers, and Bush before that.
If there was a rational point to be made by calling for the out-of-power party to join the two minutes hate of whatever expedient villain chosen by the Statist to forwardtheir agenda, I am sorry I missed it.
I look forward to being corrected.
Im Himmel gibt’s kein Bier…
roscopico- The countess is a Ron Paul troll
Scope (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 8:40AM EST (link)She sure is against Obamacare, but, so is the majority of the population. Read all of her posts. She is just as vehemently against the Republicans, and never misses the oppurtunity to take stabs at them, even before she stabs the Liberals. Everything is always the Republicans fault- EVERYTHING. If you go back and read the diary titled something like “Beware of the Democrats Libertarians and Independents” of a week or so ago, she is all over that diary talking up the Ron Paul philosophies. She said in a comment yesterday that she is not a Republican, and she knew that may cause her some problems here at Redstate. Since she hasn’t managed to get herself banned, the best thing is to ignore her.
But will they remain fiscal conservatives...
countessolenska Saturday, December 19th at 7:05PM EST (link)…when they get there?
REPS have much to learn about DEM tactics.
Common_Cents (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:25PM EST (link)DEMS are much like the younger sibling and REPS the older more responsible sibling. The younger sibling can break every rule in the book but the older sibling, who knows better, chooses not to respond in kind.
The younger sibling knows they can push, push, push because they know they won’t get punched in the nose.
Much different with non siblings are the DEMS w/ regard to foreign policy where other countries are free to punch back. DEMS are subservient and cower to real conviction and power.
DEMS need to be confronted and challenged face to face on a daily basis. When that happens they fold like a house of cards.
This is true w/ the accomplices of the left, namely the media. They are now openly hostile to the right. Brave and unapologetic about it because they are rarely if ever challenged and confronted. I am reminded of Gingrich challenging and schooling that CNN reporter at the RNC. Total domination of the ridiculous left wing wimp in short order.
The right needs to wake up that war is being waged on them and they better start fighting back with every oz they have or its game, set, match real soon.
Bush for all the good he has done, cost us the most in the past 8 years by not challenging the left/media. By not challenging them, their message of “bush is dumb” rang true. It trickled down from the top, evidenced by the disaster of Press Sec Maclellan being there so long, the gentleman Frist, and now McConnell among the many other wishy washy RINO’s we’ve discussed ad nauseum.
It’s going to be a long hard battle ahead because we’ve allowed this disease to grow strong roots over a long period of time. You’ve heard sayings like a “10 year overnight sensation” where someone seemingly becomes famous overnight but after a little homework you find out they have been laboring hard for years building up to the breakout moment.
This rapid advance(decline of America) by the left is no overnight sensation. This has been coming for decades. The watershed moments we see today and (hopefully not) in the near future are a result of radicals and their ignorant dupes chipping away at the damn piece by piece.
This is war. Our leaders must treat it as such. There are some great manuals laying around to help us get back on track. We just have to have the mindset to recognize war has been waged a long time ago, pick up the enemies playbook and start executing the plan.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
My analogy is a little different
saterp Saturday, December 19th at 6:50PM EST (link)“DEMS are much like the younger sibling and REPS the older more responsible sibling. ”
Actually, the analogy I use is that the Dems are like a violently psychotic cousin, the Pubs are like a “slow” cousin.
What we need are out and out conservatives.
After Erick’s EXCELLENT ‘Fight’ post, I emailed my two TX Senators – and got in return, nothing but the same old pap from those two Republicans.
Maybe not so bad
AndrewHyman (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:38PM EST (link)I’m not convinced that McConnell has screwed up so badly. In any event, the fight is hardly over, so it seems like a bad time for recriminations.
Were it not for the unified stance of the GOP, Nelson and Lieberman would not have been in a position to make their demands (on abortion and public option respectively). And Nelson’s demands may yet sink the legislation.
The accomodations that Reid made for Nelson are getting heavily criticized by both the pro-choice side and the pro-life side. I think the pro-choice side has much more reason to complain. As I understand the legislation, if a person wants abortion coverage, then that has to be paid for separately, and no federal money will go into that pot. Additionally, Senator Nelson has ensured that, if Roe v. Wade is overturned tomorrow, states can immediately ban abortion without running afoul of the new health care law, because states are free to opt out from everything abortion-related in this new legilsation. So, from the pro-choice perspective, this seems like a big defeat.
Despite getting rid of the public option in this legislation, and nixing the expansion of already-faltering Medicare, and despite Nelson’s work on the abortion issue, it still seems like there are big problems with this legislation.
First, the process stinks. It’s being rammed through in a rush, without any amendments except for Reid’s amendments, which is a recipe for error.
Second, we’re in the middle of a recession, which is a lousy time to experiment with a seventh of the economy.
Third, it seems like the vast bulk of the spending that will occur under this plan is postponed for several years in order to make the whole project seem less costly than it really is.
Fourth, it seems much more like a command-and-control scheme, rather than a market-oriented scheme. In other words, it’s excessively bureaucratic and intrusive. If the goal is to make health insurance affordable for everyone, then why not just offer to help pay? A million words of legalese are not needed for this.
Fifth, there’s the individual mandate, requiring people to buy insurance even if they never intend to go to a doctor. I doubt very much if the federal government has power to do that (at least not in the manner that this bill would do it).
So, the thing still has big problems. But I suspect that perhaps Senator Nelson has both improved the legislation, and kept very much alive the chances it will be defeated. Let’s not have the GOP committing fratricide just yet.
NRLC has some good points
AndrewHyman (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 7:03PM EST (link)I should have added as a sixth point that the Nelson language is weaker than the Stupak amendment. It’s unclear how much weaker, but NRLC is very concerned about it.
See NRLC info here.
It Now Looks Like Nelson Got Snookered
AndrewHyman (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 12:30AM EST (link)See here.
Nelson got 'snookered' about the same way as a hooker
eburke (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 12:42AM EST (link)gets ‘fu***d….he asked for it and knew it was happening while it was happening.
This was nothing more and nothing less than Nelson being a better and bigger whore than Mary “Louisiana Purchase” Landrieu…he just wanted to get stroked and bring some goodies home to NE.
What a slimebag. I think I may have more respect for Bernie Sanders than I do Ben; at least Bernie tells you to your face he’s a socialistic slimebag.
“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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re:common_cents
robert09 Saturday, December 19th at 6:40PM EST (link)In theory, I agree with you. But the reality is, GW Bush and the republicans passed what was at the time the largest healthcare entitlement since LBJ.(prescription drugs) There are too many competing factions within the republican party to ever put up a united front against big government and corporate subsidies. If you don’t believe me, look at our nominee for president in 2008..he supported bailouts for the banks, bailouts for the real estate industry, bailouts for homeowners, etc…
Unless grass root republicans actually get off their butts and start voting for fiscal conservatives rather than the sellouts we currently have, this whole discussion is nothing more than a chirade.
I think he expanded medicaid/SCHIP too nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:44PM EST (link)re: AndrewHyman
robert09 Saturday, December 19th at 6:48PM EST (link)Andrew, I respectfully disagree with you regarding Lieberman. His actions actually HELPED get the bill passed. By making a public announcement in opposition to the medicare buy-in, what Lieberman did was give cover to the half dozen democrats who were opposed to the medicare issue as well. As a result, Reid was forced to take it out, but by doing so, the half dozen or so democrats who would have voted no on cloture were now able to vote yes, including Lieberman.
As for the what happens next, the far left will put pressure to get some of the public option ideas reinstated in the bill. I have no doubt that they will get some of what they want. Dems have 60 votes in the senate now, and can afford to lose up to 9 votes once the final bill is voted on.
Billions for community health clinics
countessolenska Saturday, December 19th at 7:02PM EST (link)Bernie Sanders already got that provision added.
Yes, Lieberman insured its passage
countessolenska Saturday, December 19th at 7:03PM EST (link)The bill was ready to collapse when he stepped in.
Click on "REPLY TO THIS" in order to reply to individual posters robert09 nt
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 2:38PM EST (link)The Irony Being
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:52PM EST (link)That Judd Gregg has been labeled a RINO repeatedly and wished a good riddance and now his protege, Kelly Ayotte, is being attacked for being associated with Judd Gregg. Now, McConnell is criticized for not following Judd Gregg… and the circular firing squad continues.
I am coming to the conclusion
dwintnf (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 7:05PM EST (link)that the only way out of this mess is divine intervention.
The repub/dems disagree in public but in private they have a secret oath they go by and it has nothing to do with the constitution.
Call me a kook if you are so inclined, but what else is there?
They have kept him as the minority leader after 2 cycles of failure. WHY?
The only divine intervention that will work
Bill S (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 7:33PM EST (link)is if God teleports Mitch McConnell out of this solar system.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Maybe ya'll missed this
Gmac Saturday, December 19th at 7:08PM EST (link)but the Democrats have super majorities in the Senate and House.
Using parliamentarian tactics to delay legislation will only last so long before they jam what they want through whether the Republicans resist it or not..
Elections have consequences, you’re witnessing one now.
Welcome to the People’s Republic comrades.
FWIW I do NOT care for the legislation one bit and both of my Senators are Republicans. My House representative is going to be a one term blunder but the damage has been done.
Wyden-Bennett
countessolenska Saturday, December 19th at 7:10PM EST (link)I know Erick didn’t like Wyden-Bennett, and the Heritage Foundation found fault with it even though they said it was a brave move. But, why was that option not even considered? It had bipartisan support, at least in part.
There was nothing brave about W-B.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 7:22PM EST (link)And hopefully Bennett will be unemployed and unemployable at this time next year.
Where is your outrage for Nelson and Landrieu?
reddog53 (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:12PM EST (link)For that matter, why are the other 57 or so standing idly by while two of their number get some goodies for their states at the expense of others?
I understand the dissatisfaction with McConnell, but what about the other 57?
Do we really make things better when we frag our own side?
BTW, Does continuing to blame W for the politics of personal destruction make any sense?? You lost me on that one….
Corruption runs rampant
lunarmanathome (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 12:48AM EST (link)and not one of them blinks because it is so common. Why do LA and NE benefit at the expense of all the other states voters? That federal money comes from somewhere (called tax payers), but the other Senators just stand around looking at everywhere but each others eyes. They know what’s been done -and shamelessly don’t care.
Nelson and Landrieu are Democrats.
The_Gadfly (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 12:51AM EST (link)I almost always expected them to fold*. McConell is nominally a Republican, and more importantly and unlike those two, the leader of our party in the Senate.
If you’ve got a better option than fragging them, post it. But we can’t allow them continue to frag us from their leadership posts.
*my pessimism waned a bit with Dan’s last post that the bill was finally dead (http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/12/15/howard-dean-kill-the-senate-bill/#comment-4516).
It's simple...if I'm managing a fighter...and he's standing in the middle of the ring letting the other huy hit him repeatedly...I'm not gonna yell at the guy hitting the fool
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 2:48PM EST (link)I’m gonna yell at my punch drunk fool for standing there and taking it without hitting back or doing something to defend himself!
These guys aren’t even trying…and next year they’ll be coming at us again to vote for them not because we can trust them to do anything to defend themselves…or us…they’ll be demanding we donate to and vote for them because somehow they’re better than the Democrats….who cares if they never do anything to show they are better than the Democrats…they’ll just rely on everyone being pissed at the Democrats and expect the world on a plate because they aren’t the crap weasels that people are most mad at!
Is the HC fight already lost?
smagar (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:38PM EST (link)Finally the Senate GOP seemed to be responding, but by and large it was too little too late.
Do you think we’ve lost this fight? Yes, things look bad right now—but that’s not the same as them being over.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
This is just further proof that those of us who sqwacked about the fact that we kept the same leadership after the 08 debacle were right....
AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:47PM EST (link)We kept the same crap weasels in charge and it’s paying off BIG…let’s keep em in after 10…maybe they’ll pass legislation to disolve the US Government and turn the continent over to the Chinese….Ole Mitch can show us the smame brilliance then as well!
Ace- I think that's the point of Erick's diary
Scope (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 9:28AM EST (link)I see it as a push to remove the loser McConnell. Erick lays out the case against him with all his past loses going way back. Since he is not willing to step aside, and, since no one in the senate seems to want to challenge him, it is time for we the people to start demanding it in any way we can.
I personally believe that there is more to what McConnell has been doing. I see it as more than just sheer incompetence. I am not aware of anyone attacking McConnell other than us Republicans on the outside. I don’t remember Obama attacking him, or the MSM in any meaningful way, or even the Liberals in Congress. They attack the Republicans in general as being the party of no, and, as obstructionists. They don’t go after McConnell personally. Am I wrong here? I am not a conspiracy theory nutjob, but, I think McConnell has worked out some kind of deal with the devil.
I would love to see him replaced by DeMint.
You mea...is McConnell a manchurian candidate? Or a fifth collumnist? He couldn't do a better job than he's doing now if he were! nt
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 2:53PM EST (link)It's no question W didn't fight back as often as he should have
hbgconservative Saturday, December 19th at 11:04PM EST (link)But the Republicans in Congress have their own responsibility as well. GWB’ been out of office for 11 months now. Also, as Rush often points out, he didn’t want to play the partisan game because he felt it was beneath the office of the president. We all may disagree with it, but you gotta respect that.
Also, Bush was only responsible for his own behavior, not the Republicans in Congress. And he certainly isn’t responsible for their pathetic inaction now (not all Republican members, of course. It’s McConnell’s job to be the Republican leader in the Senate, and he’s blowing it, not GWB.
It's not beneath the office of the president...
antisocialist Saturday, December 19th at 11:44PM EST (link)to defend himself and I don’t have to respect Bush for not doing so. No other President has ever believed that and no future one ever will. It was just idiotic and now we’re all going to be paying a huge price for this idiocy.
Ah, I see
hbgconservative Sunday, December 20th at 12:13AM EST (link)So, the Republicans in Congress bare no responsibility for their own behavior, voting for the bad spending, TARP, the amnesty bill and things like that? Oh, wait, yes they do. Bush may have been in favor of those things, but so were many Republicans in Congress; their combined efforts led to their defeat. My point is blaming Bush for everything is silly and untrue. That’s what the left does, and last time I checked, we aren’t liberals. There’s equal blame and you have to be fair in your analysis, not turn it into a hitjob on Bush. GWB has nothing to do with the pathetic job McConnell and other Republican leaders are doing right now. Put the blame where it belongs.
And I didn’t say defending himself, I said partisan attacks. Go back and read it again.
W...
audax (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 7:44AM EST (link)….Like Father Like Son….
Audeamus pro audere est facere
I don't gotta repect
Joe Cor (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 9:28AM EST (link)a definition of “dignity” that no one ever thought up before, and led to this catastrophe.
hgbconservative- 555555
Scope (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 9:43AM EST (link)Bush was not responsible for the behavior of the Republicans in the senate and house! After reading some of the comments above, just wanting to blame Buuuush, is getting as old as every time Obama still blames the evil Buuush for everything. He made many many mistakes, and, wasn’t even a conservative, but, those republicans running around in the congress then and now were responsible for their own behaviors, and, lack of guts and spines to do the job they were sent there to do- To represent the interests of the country and her citizens. Seems that McCain’s disease of reaching across the aisle has been infectious. Until we vote them out, and elect country and constitution respecting conservatives, it won’t change.
PS- Just heard McCain with Chris Wallace complaining that the Democrats didn’t invite the Republicans to help craft the Healthcare legislation, and, to allow them to make it better. Bingo- He didn’t want to kill the bill, he wanted to make it better. To boot, he talked about how often he has worked with all administrations to work in a bipartisan “fashion.”
Senate Republicans started out saying not passing "something" was not an option...
AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 3:01PM EST (link)They said “Everyone” agrees the health care system is broken an d we “have” to fix it!
They’ve never planned to do anything but watch this thing pass from the start…and help when the Democrats would allow them to participate…we are where we are because we have a bunch of losers for leaders who are incapable of mustering the stomach for a fight!
of course…it’s the fault of people like me, and mbecker, and jaded, and scope for raising hell about it…we don’t dare blame the people who we put on the front lines with our votes and money to fight this when they just cave without so much as a wimper!
Hogwash.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 7:20PM EST (link)Also, Bush was only responsible for his own behavior, not the Republicans in Congress.
He was the leader of the Republican Party. He was supposed to drive the agenda. We’re where we are in large measure because of GWB.
At best, I'm probably an embarrassment to O'Connell
katesmith (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 11:23PM EST (link)Even though I live in Manhattan and am not one of those icky southeast republicans he finds so distasteful. We are all thinking about MConnell, but he’s not thinking about us. Why it’s especially upsetting now is we again have a country with no leader. You have what you just saw in Copenhagen. Most people there were convinced long ago that American taxpayers and their children would be formally enslaved by them, legally bound over in Copenhagen. That’s why they’re mad. Soros even went in and said, hey I have one other way, and it might not bother US taxpayers so much. He comes right out and says what the whole plan was about-enslaving us. That this movement has gone this far is insane and dangerous for Americans, though it could be stopped with the right words. As someone said, “The crisis of globalization will stress humanity like never before. It’s worse than every man for himself.” Hey, McConnell, how’s this for some ideological purity: Get the UN out of my country. It is a danger to every American.
And McConnell too
katesmith (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 11:26PM EST (link)Just wanted to see if he was paying attention.
jtkell100
jtkell100 Sunday, December 20th at 7:50AM EST (link)I do not understand how 59 Senators are betraying their constituents and allowing Nelson get away with making all of us pay for Nebraska’s health coverage. Seems like there should be about 20 out of the 59 that would vote to save this country.
To be fair, Bill Frist took us from 55 to 49
Finrod (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 7:15PM EST (link)Bill Frist also managed to let Democrats obstruct him at every turn, and we couldn’t get bupkis passed in 2005-2006 because of it. McConnell though hasn’t managed to obstruct squat in his three years, and managed to lose us 9 seats in the one election he was the Republican Senate leader.
I still think that Bill Frist deserves to be stuck in the room in the Kingdom of Heaven next to the noisy ice machine for all eternity, but I’d like to add to that: Mitch McConnell deserves the room on the other side of the noisy ice machine.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
Here's a macabre reason to have delayed the bill past Christmas
civil truth (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 6:25AM EST (link)Remember that another key 60th vote is Sen. Byrd, who has been dragged onto the Senate floor for the critical votes. If something should happen to his health before January – that would change the equation completely.
And in that case, the recriminations for allowing Senate passage before Christmas could echo for decades if not millennia – especially if the House approved the Senate bill without amendment.
Which is a very real danger. Pelosi and her cohorts in their fanaticism to pass SOMETHING may decide that the Senate bill is better trusting a conference bill to pass, especially if public opinion worsens further when people actually read and examine the Senate bill.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
That's a no go.
SoFiMil (Diary) Monday, December 21st at 6:46AM EST (link)Earlier I prayed for Tim Johnson and glad he’s alive and kicking.
I hope the Republicans can pull out a win in the Massachusetts special election January 19th, though.
www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com
Loss under McConnell incorrect.
kolvir Monday, December 21st at 10:07AM EST (link)McConnell wasn’t elected Minority leader until after the 2006 election with the new congress in 2007 when the count was 49-51. Frist was Majority leader during the 06 election which the Republicans went from 55 to 49 seats; McConnell was whip.