Silly Brian Beutler, It’s God, Not Mother Nature


Over at Talking Points Memo, Brian Beutler chronicles the follies of the Democrats and health care.

Joe Lieberman has gone back to Connecticut in advance of the blizzard. This leaves the Democrats needing Republican votes to get back to health care.

At the end of the article, Brian writes, “[D]on’t be surprised to hear a new Republican talking point: Even Mother Nature hates health care reform.”

I hate to correct him, but actually the talking point is that God hates the Democrats’ health care deform. With funding death panels and abortions, of course the Almighty would send a snow storm or, in Brian’s words, a snowpocalypse to shut down Washington.

Oh, and kudos to Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council for organizing the “pray-in.” Looks to be working.


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God or Mother Nature decrees

ReaganLives Friday, December 18th at 10:30PM EST (link)

Tomorrow’s the day I finish my Christmas cards. Bring the snow.

How can a president not be an actor?
- Ronald Reagan

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"Divine intervention or an amazing bit of luck?"

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Friday, December 18th at 10:33PM EST (link)

Was how I phrased it in my earlier diary before Beutler’s piece. I purposely left out mother nature. The one thing I reject is paganism.

 

" ... between 10 and 20 inches of snow could

joayn (Diary) Friday, December 18th at 11:04PM EST (link)

accumulate between midnight tonight and 6 a.m. on Sunday.”

“The heaviest snowfall is expected between 8 a.m. and 6 p.m. on Saturday, and now, just to add a little more danger into the mix, the Capital Weather Gang is also warning residents to keep an eye out for ‘thundersnow’.”

“We can only assume it’s then followed by the literal hand of God reaching down from the sky to punish us for our wicked, wicked ways.”

http://fwix.com/share/11_59b6c8eadf

Do you think old Harry, wherever he is, is looking out the window cursing that hand of God?

America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte

I've seen "Thundersnow" once in my life

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Friday, December 18th at 11:16PM EST (link)

It was snowing heavily, and suddenly the sky started lighting up pink. I didn’t know what it was until later that night from the news. I thought it was a nuclear attack.

So literally, Thundersnow has not been seen in Washington in 30 years. Nor has a white Christmas. But it shows up today.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

we see plenty of Snowstorms here in MI (obviously)

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 12:06AM EST (link)

but indeed I’ve only seen a Thunder-Snowstorm a few times myself. It is pretty cool! What I really don’t like, however, is winds so bad that it lands up snowing UPWARD!

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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What are you thinking?

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 12:11AM EST (link)

It snowed really hard in January 1985 before Reagan’s second inauguration. That’s was just bad and I still remember being trapped in a hotel room in Williamsburg,VA(that fairly far south a blizzard).

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

Snowy January is common in DC

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 12:36AM EST (link)

White Christmas is not. I’ve seen it snow the days before Christmas once back in 96 on Christmas Eve, and it was 1 inch. In DC in the last 30 years, it only gets to consistent sub-32 degrees in January and February. December usually hovers in the 35 to 45 degree range.

Of course, that is using the last 30 years for all the data points, which I’m sure Michael Mann would say is excellent proxy data for the medieval warm period.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Yes, snowy January's aren't unusual but Large snow storms aren't typical

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:24AM EST (link)

During my 6 1/2 year in Suburban DC, I think I could think of 2 major snowstorms, 1 on George Washington’s birthday in 1979(I was just over a 1 1/2 yrs so I wouldn’t remember it other than my dad relaying it to me) and 1 in early January 1985 around the second inauguration of Ronald Reagan(I really remember that). This seems like one of those.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 
 
 
 
 

ALL Republicans should LEAVE DC immediately...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Friday, December 18th at 11:14PM EST (link)

and leave it to Democrats as to why they want to insist on sticking around to debate FAILED policy that no-one wants passed and Money spent we don’t have. THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO BE SAID ON THOSE MATTERS!!!

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

Heh, the Texas democrats fled Austin in 2003

izoneguy (Diary) Friday, December 18th at 11:21PM EST (link)

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Rebellious Democrats who fled the state Capitol spent a second day in Oklahoma on Tuesday and criticized U.S. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay for pushing the GOP drive in Texas to redraw the state’s congressional districts.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

I remember that move...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Friday, December 18th at 11:35PM EST (link)

applauded it then and again now….. The Beltway GOP has to wake up and realize there is ZERO to be gained by continuing to play games in DC and just GO HOME!!! Let the MSM bring on the Spin and let us have at the discussion. THEY WILL ULTIMATELY LOSE IN THAT DISCUSSION with only mindless idiots going to continue to side with Liberals/Progressive/Socialists – and they will/would do so anyway…. This is about doing right by the awakened masses (Tea Party protestors or otherwise)!!!

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 

State house to Oklahoma and the State Senate to New Mexico

Richard Mullins (Diary) Friday, December 18th at 11:46PM EST (link)

They all left in protest. It was updated version of what they did in 1980 by staying low somewhere in West Austin.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

technical reason to have been out of state

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Friday, December 18th at 11:56PM EST (link)

I remember it vaguely, no details as to the why.

I’d like to see Michigan Republicans LEAVE LANSING, MI also and go back to their homes — instead of continuing to deal with the stupidity of the Canadian Communist Granholm and Socialist/Progressive cohorts in the Democrat Party.

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

It was lead by latecia Van Depute...(don't ask if I spelled that right)that lead the flight from Austin

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:52AM EST (link)

The whole thing was over redistricting. Texas has a majority of Republican voters approaching 60% but the Democrats had gerrymandered the districts in 1990 so that they kept control of the legislatures by something like 1 55% to 60% margin.

The Republicans finally had a bare majority in 2000 and drew up a new map that showed the correct representation of voter registrations by making the districts more representative of the state as a whole. The Dems fought in court and the Federal Courts over turned it in favor a map that maintained somewhat the status quo. As I recall it, the court made clear the fix was meant to be temporary until the control of the legislatures could be better determined. in 2002 Republicans done the legislatures decisively and set about creating a permanent map.

I’m fuzzy on some of the details up to this point, but that’s pretty much what happened into the lead up to the great escape of Democrats from Austin.

The debate started on the bill to approve the new map in the Senate and when it came time for the vote…the Dems called fro a quorum call and of course the majority of them were nowhere to be found. Half or more of them fled north of the TX OK border and held a press conference in front of a Hotel. Perry sent out the State Police to round up the Dems still in Texas to return them to Austin for the vote and asked for help from Federal Law Enforcement to get those from out of state. There was subsequently a bunch of squawking from the Dems about possible collusion between GW Bush and Perry and the usual tripe about abuse of power but as far as I know…nothing ever came from that. The Dems eventually returned…a quorum was finally reached…and the maps were redrawn and the new map accepted along with several more fights in Federal Court with the Dems claiming the second map was unconstitutional because the Constitution doesn’t allow for redistricting out side the 10 year census…despite the original court’s making it clear the first map was to be temporary. I don’t recall how those late cases turned out but I think we won that fight and ended up with 10 more Republican Congressmen from Texas as a result.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Thanks Ace, important for peeps to remember...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 1:07PM EST (link)

Thanks for the refresher, it is VERY important to remember, IMNSHO, these things. Your recap points out (again, lest some folks out their that haven’t learned yet and/or forget) of how Liberals (if nothing else) have been packing courts while they have bits of Power to ensure they can still exert Power (through Liberal Judge Activism) while they do not hold the official reigns of Power. Points a reminder of how Democrats always want to play that Redistricting game as yet another (ACORN like, Community reorganizing to their Socialist liking/advantage) electioneering tactic. And yet even more examples that could be made that didn’t readily come to mind this time.

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Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

 
 
 
 
 
 

This is what you get

mustango (Diary) Friday, December 18th at 11:25PM EST (link)

…for trying to pass key legislation during a climate change summit!

“I just miss — I miss being anonymous.” — Barack Obama

I fully sympathize, Mr. President. I miss you being anonymous too.

 

The woods are lovely, dark and deep,

proudmarinemom (Diary) Friday, December 18th at 11:53PM EST (link)

but we have promises to keep. And miles to go before we sleep and miles to go…

It is snowing mightily here in D.C. It is beautiful and sad.

Please, Dear Lord, let this Winter Wonderland soften the hearts of our Congressmen and make them pause to think of all of us who will suffer at their hands if this awful legislation passes.

Thank you, Lord.

PS Since it was not in your plan to allow Montana to win tonight, could you please thank them for their patriotism? K.

Amen, proudmarinemom. nt

nessa (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 12:00AM EST (link)

“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

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Amen...nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:54AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

God could send Hell-fire-rains...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 12:07AM EST (link)

but they’d obviously attribute it to GW and morons would buy into it.

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

Next Volcano eruption spewing more CO2 than we have in last 5 years...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 12:36AM EST (link)

they will, of course, correctly be able to point to the Ash as the “cooler” that will occur but it still holds the LIE that CO2 as the sole warming determiner they keep peddling as BS, as much of the CO2 will remain until the Earth can filter it out again without the drastic “Warming” their supposed undisputed science would insist would be the case! Methane-hydrate bubbling up from the oceans is a bigger concern/issue as it has more than 10-20 times the heat retention than CO2 (as we’ve heard them on and on about the Cow farts) but the CO2 BS is what best allows them the CONTROL which is the real aim… OF COURSE!!!!

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

Philippines Volcano eruption "imminent"...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, December 24th at 2:18PM EST (link)

I hadn’t realized when I posted the above post about the “Volcano twist” was so close to coming… My firm belief is this is going to be cover for the next couple of years as an excuse why “Warming” isn’t going to happen DESPITE the supposed “known CO2 Science” BS line.

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)

Maybe the leftys will try to

izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, December 24th at 2:22PM EST (link)

Put a giant cork in the volcano?

Maybe they will fine the Philippine government for going over it’s CO2 emission levels?

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 
 
 

It's reported on Breitbart that a deal

joayn (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:01AM EST (link)

is in with Nelson. It sounds like he’ll be voting for this stinker afterall. The article states that the Obama administration (Rahm) and Harry Reid were working with Nelson to reach an agreement. Evidently Nelson was holding out for money for his state, to ease the pain of the huge screwing that they and the rest of us are about to receive.

Now the question is, how many will be able to get there Saturday to vote? If Lieberman doesn’t make it, could Biden be the final vote?

Please. God, make it snow and snow and snow and snow and snow …

America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte

yes it won't be long now, this thing has 60 votes...

DONTREADONME (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:17AM EST (link)

its just a matter of time… tick, tick, tick… Depressing isn’t it?

I'm Not There Yet

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:22AM EST (link)

They definately have the momentum and are very close, but bad things happen to the Dem Leadership when their flock goes home for a break. Without the constant peer pressure from Reid and Obama and close to their home sand constituents in Red State and middle America, they will lose lots of momentum.

I think the short term goal is to just get to Christmas break without a vote.

I agree there S_Y...

DONTREADONME (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:41AM EST (link)

I hope this thing is prolonged until after Chrismas. Six inches of snow south of DC now, fingers crossed.

 
 
 

Amen. God help us.

clowngirl (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:32AM EST (link)

How certain is the deal with Nelson? Disappointing. I really thought he would hold out.

Are the socialists definitely all on board?

How much can the bill still be delayed – assuming they read it aloud and use every possible tactic?

Definitely time for us all to be praying for a miracle.

 

Not seeing this anywhere.

Third Street (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:38AM EST (link)

Link, please?

“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”

AP story over at Foxnews, here's the link...

DONTREADONME (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:40AM EST (link)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/18/nelson-cites-real-progress-health-care-talks/

Yes, I've seen that. So a deal ISN'T in. (nt)

Third Street (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:44AM EST (link)

“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”

Reid's Posing; But Nelson Is Singing a Different Tune

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:52AM EST (link)

Deal is not in. But they are working Nelson hard and he sounds like a different guy.

But who knows. Maybe Joe going home and celebrating his holiday day with his wife will free him up from all that peer pressure.

And if they give Nelson too much, maybe Bernie Sanders walks.

It aint over till its over.

Nelson is saying "real progress"

earlgrey (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:24AM EST (link)

Isn’t that politico speech for “I think I am going to get what I want and vote for this”.

 
 

Per TPM, just posted, Nelson agreed to a 'compromise' on abortion

eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:30AM EST (link)

last night @ 10:30 and will be voting for cloture.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/schumer-weve-reached-agreement-with-nelson.php

The weasel.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

 
 
 
 

Not Biden...

merryj1 Saturday, December 19th at 3:23AM EST (link)

He can only vote to break a tie.

 
 

Looks like Nelson could be a go

davidstone Saturday, December 19th at 8:57AM EST (link)

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/live/health-care/?ref=fpb#309081

Nelson is going to put out a statement telling us how he is going to vote on the bill. I doubt Reid would call a vote knowing Nelson is a no.

Yeah, Reid also asked unanimous consent for Nelson to have 9 minutes

eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:12AM EST (link)

to make a speech on the floor (which McConnell objected to) so I don’t think that would have happened if Ben wasn’t going to support the bill.

As someone posited here a few days ago, Ben talks like a conservative at times, and votes that way when it doesn’t really matter but he’s *never* been there when his vote actually matters. He’s just the king of holding out until the last minute and wringing every concession imaginable that will benefit NE.

Cornhuskers, if he sells you out….have it seared into your memory for the next time he’s up for reelection.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

Manager's amendment

davidstone Saturday, December 19th at 9:32AM EST (link)

I think this is the manager’s amendment. If so, the abortion changes were slight,

‘(a) STATE OPT-OUT OF ABORTION COVERAGE.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—A State may elect to prohibit abortion coverage in qualified health plans offered through an Exchange in such State if such State enacts a law to provide for such prohibition.

That is all??? That is what Nelson was willing to change on abortion to get his support? Abortion could not have been the real driving force behind Nelson’s holdout, it was money from the Feds for Medicaid.

Good thing is that Stupak will not accept this. As a result, I do not see Pelosi being able to bring this straight to a vote without conference committee.

Some Senate parlimentarian help me out here...

eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:50AM EST (link)

but if my recollection is correct, when this steaming pile comes back from conference it won’t be able to be filibustered, correct? If that’s the case, I predict that the Stupak language will be stripped, the Blue Dogs will cave (because they always do), Nelso will vote against final passage but it won’t matter ’cause they’ll only need 51.

And as for Stupak and the Blue Dogs in the House, they will *never* have the stones to be the vote that kills this. These people’s collective morals & principles wouldn’t fill a thimble.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

 

Stupak is irrelivant I think since they are talking about taking the Senate Bill to the House as is and twithout a conference. nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:00AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

That's what I'm hearing too, Ace. And if that's the case

eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:09AM EST (link)

Stupak and the rest of the lying, linguini-spined Blue Dogs will be faced with holding strong to the stricter language of the House bill or agreeing to Nelson’s ‘compromise’ language.

I can hear it now…”Well, we didn’t get everything we wanted re: abortion but we got most of it and this was just too historic to not accept 90% of what we wanted.”

I personally believe that the whole Nelson gig was nothing more than an elaborate charade and part of a kabuki dance to enable them to ping this thing back from the House and give cover to the ‘pro-life’ Blue Dogs. That’s why Boxer was in the room…so that she can go to all of her pro-murder House brothers and sisters and say “Pssst…hey…I was in the room, this really doesn’t make any difference so just ping it back to us.”

Disgusting. Whores.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

Well, the issue could not have been what Nelson got.

davidstone Saturday, December 19th at 10:13AM EST (link)

A little money for Medicaid coverage and language on abortion far weaker than Stupak? The fix was in.

 

I'm sick to my core....Thank you Olympia Snowe...Let's not forget...it wouldn't have left the committee without her vote! nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:13AM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

At least if your core is still sick in 2014...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 1:18PM EST (link)

you’ll have FREE Health-Care to cover it….

yeah… I know… this really is no time for Jokes…. :(

This is indeed very disgusting and pathetic as the GOP, as many of us have warned, really deep down knew (if nothing else they shouldn’t take the chance that) they could get the Votes they needed and NEVER let it see the Light of one of God’s beautiful days. I also blame McCain for his lack of Leadership, neigh, actually purposeful wishy-washy non-Fight, improve the non-improvable, BS approach…. which, again, he telegraphed would happen in Aug (McCain HC Townhall details, another sell-out pre-declared! (with more comments 306-7+ here and here w/ limited Video))…

I swear McLame and the McCainiac Progressive-light followers WANT to throw away many of the potential gains (2010 gains opportunities being scuttled? – are some Republicans sand-bagging 2010 gain opportunities?) that should be so automatic next year!

Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
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“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”


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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
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We're in a position where...no matter what our strategy...there will be at least one Republican there to twart it...

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 1:40PM EST (link)

Snowe got it out of committee….and yesterday it was Kay Baily Hutchinson who bailed on the defense bill and got the Senate back to HCR…all she had to do was wait one day and Ried would be scheduling this on Christmas day…if at all

and I keep pointing everyone to Voinovich…he’s been too quiet for too long…and I can’t help but fear he’s gonna give us the finger one ;ast time on his way out!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 
 

Many people on MediCare in Nebraska

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:39AM EST (link)

will be hurting…..

Whatever Ben got – it won’t be enough when the bills come due.
Besides – the politicians will spend it anyway they want.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Nelson got practically nothing for his support

davidstone Saturday, December 19th at 9:45AM EST (link)

My guess is that the insurance industry started putting pressure on him and he caved. The abortion changes were ridiculous. The Medicaid amounts he will get from the Fed could have been done in 10 minutes. There was no reason to hold this up for what he got. Either he is a complete idiot or he got pressure from somewhere else (insurance industry),

Or Obama promised

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 9:48AM EST (link)

Nelson some cement shoes???

The line moves closer…..

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 
 
 
 

Manager's amendment

davidstone Saturday, December 19th at 9:34AM EST (link)

I think this is it.

http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/managers-amendment.pdf

 

If this doesn't work...

countessolenska Saturday, December 19th at 10:30AM EST (link)

…to bring down health care costs, and the country goes deeper into debt, the Democrats are fully to blame.