I don’t know how they can fight this with only 40 votes. It sounds like some of them are resigning themselves to the idea that the Dems will be victorious, and they are just trying to improve things.

And, I understand that Jim Webb has been voting for a bunch of Republican amendments. I guess he’s trying to cover his butt.

that Leiberman will kill it, if no one else will.

Somehow I don’t see “we tried to improve it” as a good campaigning point for R’s in the next election…

The only “positive” thing about it is that it’s hard to stick the label of “party of no” on them if one of the Dems (or at a former Dem) finally filibusters this national nightmare to death… but then “the party of OK, whatever Dems want” doesn’t sound great either…

Really, fighting in anyway that doesn’t keep up the donk on donk violence isn’t worth it. I see amenditis coming the near future.

I trust no supposedly “independent” senators, nor “Blue Dog” senators, to stop Hell-th Care.

It will not be stopped: it will pass in some form, and ANY form means a disaster for America’s future. The Dems will buy anyone breaking ranks, including Lieberman.

Republicans should stand firm, point out the contradictions, point out the lies, point out the embarrassments, and devise a strategy to abrogate as much of the bill as possible after 2012. 2010 will be irrelevant for abrogation attempts, unless through a miracle a veto-proof Republican majority takes over next year.

What are they suppose to say, “Yes, we want to kill health care reform”? Of course they want to kill it, but they can’t say that out loud to a hostile press that is looking for any way to demonize Republicans. It may play well to the conservative base, but it does not play well to the empty-headed swing voters. And now is not the time for nuanced argument.

The only hope the GOP has is to delay and let public opposition grow. The more the public learns about the details, the more support falls. Also, the closer it gets to election season, the more nervous Dems will become.

Even all of this is a long shot. Obama and the Dem leadership is bound and determine to pass some kind of so-call health care reform. They don’t care how much political collateral damage it creates in the 2010 elections. Socialized health care trumps everything.

We do not have the votes to stop this. All of you who are asking the GOP Senate to kill it are asking the impossible. You are setting yourselves up for a huge disappointment. You are setting yourselves up for discouragement in the 2010 elections, and when that happens, you are setting all of us up for permanent Democratic socialist rule. You are letting perfect be the enemy of good.

You think liberals are going to keep quiet with a dead public option? I think not. No matter how they spin it in the Senate. This is going to create a war in the Democratic Party.
http://neoavatara.com/blog/?p=8916

They might just look at what the hapless Senate R’s just had crammed up their… whatever.

While a definitive example, they’ll rue the cost.

Some lessons are unfortunately quite expensive (and quickly forgotten).

Wait, I thought the idea was to kill the “Government Opinion”? Isn’t that the goal? Sure we now have to try and stop this, but the wind is in our sails and we have yet another win in our column.

In fact, we should be exploiting this new front as quickly as possible. The KOS Kids are outraged. We should keep up the pressure.

Russ Feingold is making noises of discontent, and Nelson has updated his previous comments that sounded like a cave (HotAir). Between now and the time the CBO gets the numbers together, I sense some unraveling will begin. But maybe that’s just wishful thinking. The Dems are such a big, fat party of crazies you never know.

With only 10 Dems putting this thing together, there’s still time to contact Repubs and get them in the fighting spirit (spears with pointy tips, perhaps?) to prolong the pain for the Dems. They have to throw everything they’ve got at these zombies, just to create some obstacles at least.

Everyone start calling/faxing/e-mailing. Do. Not. Wait.

We are not the party of no, we’re the party of HELL NO!

Mitch McConnell:

http://mcconnell.senate.gov/contact.cfm

Jim DeMint:

http://demint.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Home

Tom Coburn:

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactSenatorCoburn.Home

Judd Gregg

http://gregg.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm

Olympia Snowe

http://snowe.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactSenatorSnowe.Email

Susan Collins

http://collins.senate.gov/public/continue.cfm?FuseAction=ContactSenatorCollins.EmailIssue&CFID=25267582&CFTOKEN=58963435

I started about 45 minutes ago, but will continue. Add to the list! The more the merrier – be sure to e-mail Collins and Snowe.

without a single objection to a unanimous consent request, or without the bill being read in its entirety, I will have an aneurism.

Just what is the down-side of fighting this?
- They’d be with the Majority of the American People– that’s not “obstructionist” and the polls show they are not listening to the mainstream media on this issue
- They’d show everyone they are “re-branded” and not the party of ’04-’06 aka “Democrat-lite”
- They’d be killing a horrible, monstrosity piece of legislation – Senators should do that regardless
- They’d keep thier base fired up rather than demoralize it

60 for Cloture, 50+Biden to pass (10 Dems get cover), over to Pelosi and her “bunch of miss nancies” (ref UrbanDictionary), 218 there, and onto Obama for signature by Christmas

IF NOT THIS BILL – WHAT ISSUE WOULD THEY “GO TO THE MATS” FOR?

‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ — Edmund Burke

PS – Is McConnell so naive to believe the Dems will be this “gentlemenly”, if he is the Majority Leader?!

The longer this health care drags on, the more people are fighting it and there will be no chance of it passing. Every day more people in my district find out what an attack this is on America. The Obamunists are pushing this because they are in a now or never scenario–if they don’t get it soon, they never will. The Obamasiah’s numbers are dropping like a rock and once we get in the election year this pig of a bill is toast. Heads are going to roll in November. Mary Landrieu, D-LA, Blanche Lincoln, D-NE, Arlen Specter, D-PA are certainly going to lose their bids for re-election. I’m going to win my election against a long-term Democrat who was considered unbeatable a year ago–but then he voted for Pelosi-care. No amount of PAC money is going to buy back that huge mistake and the people are very angry–and we are coming.

…..We were watching Hannity’s interview with VP Cheney last night….Sean interrupted his commentary and told the breaking news….Democrat Socialist have come to an agreement on Government Controlled Health Care,,,,,,,Like a trained special forces solider, my wife moved like a cat.

My wife had to get my daughter out of the room before a string of profanity shot from my mouth….

Like a high ballooning slice….I can unleash incoherent combination of profanities before the ball hits the ground. NO different from seeing Harry “the Monster” Reids face on t.v. last night….then my attention turned to the Republicans……I am have always loved Gen. George S. Patton….his attitude about politicians most of all his theories on combat and the battles at hand. His most famous comment…..ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK…..

I don’t know what is going on with the republicans, I know this….McConnell should step aside and let Demint take the wheel. For god sakes who’s running the show. Steele is trying to be tough but getting no where, come on, fight…..this country is being flushed down the toilet. Do the republicans think letting the DNS turn this country inside out and waiting until next Novembers election is a good strategy….The DNS has multiple Billions of dollar in a slush fund (called TARP & Stimu’theft) to fight to the last lib. Plus billionaires like Soros…..Soros is now eying Secretary of State seats, you wonder why……TO STEAL ELECTIONS…..ie Minnesota….the SoS would let thousands of ballots be counted same thing happened in Missouri………

Next is Third Stimu’theft, Crap and Trade….then Amnesty for illegals.

Be completely certain of one thing….The Democrat Socialist do NOT care what the citizens of this country think….

ARRRRRRRRR…..I so PO’d

Off the top of my head, here are a set of amendments that might be worth while:

1. No tax-payer subsidies. The Democrats are so smart, so let them run this beast without any ongoing infusion of cash. Give them their trillion dollars, but don’t let them come back to the well. They’ve promised their plan saves money — let’s see if they vote like they believe it.

2. Remove all regulations from private insurers (allowing individuals to purchase the coverage they want and insurers to sell the coverage they want to sell), and make it impossible to outlaw private insurance. If insurance companies are so evil, so abusive, then people won’t do business with them — and will run to embrace government insurance at the first chance they get. They’ve promised we can keep our insurance — let’s see if they vote vote like they believe it.

According to Marc Ambinder at The Atlantic and Ezra Klein at the Washington Post.

“Indeed, for some health care activists, expanding Medicare has been the primary goal of the entire exercise.”

IMHO, ANY Healthcare Bill passed and signed into law is just flat out bad for this country, due to the enormous cost of this monstrosity. I am still trying to figure out whether or not GOP amendments to this thing is a good idea. To me, ANY association with this “thing” by the GOP is bad news, just due to the fact that it can be construed by the Dems that this Bill, with GOP modifications is now ok? Me thinketh not. My hope is that the Dems will continue to squabble internally, and not get this thing passed so they are forced to go back home AGAIN, as Erick has suggested, and face the music once more. It would be really great if this thing could be trown back into Committee by amendments the Dems come up with, WITHOUT GOP intervention. Wishful thinking, I’m sure.

I don’t really like Dick Morris, but this column just captures a lot of the emotional intensity behind the opposition to ObamaCare.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/12/09/_the_charge_of_the_280_dems_99475.html

to be held on December 15th in D.C. He said various groups are putting this together but wasn’t specific on which ones.

It’ll be an anti-health care rally, I believe, but probably also a stop-the-spending theme will be prominent as well.

The GOP must use all means possible to destroy this evil bill which supports the culture of death. Delay it for as long as it takes to allow public opinion to develop to such a point that conservative Dems will bolt. The handful of Democrats likely to defect must be subjected to incessant pressure. The GOP must sharpen its message so as not to appear obstructionist. It must articulate its position in positive terms. But it must kill the bill. Obama has crossed the Rubicon by supporting taxpayer funded abortion. Obama and Pelosis leftward drift is a threat to Democrats seeking re election in 2010. Turkeys will not vote for Christmas