Comments on: As Predicted, the Senate Republicans Are Improving the Health Care Bill so it Passes

By: Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey

Read Chesterton in New Improved Jersey — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:36:35 +0000

The first Presidential election contested by the Republican party, 1856, was after the collapse of the Whig party.”

Here’s hoping we, as Republicans, don’t repeat that history. But current leadership seems to be doubling down on the squishy bipartisanship in the face of radical socialism. Should we be making a safety plan? Where is our meeting place in case the house catches fire?

I don’t take the term “Third Party” literally. I take it as the escape plan for when the Two Parties merge into an indistinguishable blob.

By: DONTREADONME

DONTREADONME — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:03:06 +0000

not meeting with Chales M, but a guy named Joe (kirk) H in the David Ray Conference Room whichever one that is? Just look for the guy with the long hair (red, light red) pulled back, jamie’s the name and if you read my diary about my grandfather’s ship you know my last name.

By: ocleverone

ocleverone — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:23:38 +0000

I don’t think I have any meetings that day – I will check my calendar. Maybe we can grab a cup of coffee.

No cleats but a cool swoosh.

By: DONTREADONME

DONTREADONME — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 05:18:45 +0000

at syscom about his speech, he’s officially a joke to most. Be in your building 13:00 12/7 2nd floor building (925) BAE. I think your company used to make soccer cleets?

By: lightfootletters

lightfootletters — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:50:52 +0000

No insult intended. A classical liberal is a liberal. Except for those that believe if you are called a liberal (by the Rushman) or you hide behind the name liberal (like socialist of the 1920′s) that makes you a liberal. I stay in close touch with the Cato Institute and the Libertarian Party and know of no Libertarians that voted for Obama. There are some that use the name libertarian to hide their true political beliefs just as some use the name liberal. Good discussion. Look foward for more of your comments.

By: Freedoms Truth

Freedoms Truth — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:53:56 +0000

“Or are you just saying that the GOP should stall at every possible opportunity regardless of any other considerations?”

YES!!!

At this point, the BEST PLAN OF ATTACK is to stall into next year.

STALL EVERY VOTE. Do NOT consent to ANY votes, and do NOT allow unanimous consent. FORCE a 30 HOUR DEBATE MINIMUM ON EVERY AMENDMENT, AND DRAG IT OUT AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.

By: blooch

blooch — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:23:37 +0000

And the quote is a troll scalp.

By: Leopard1996

Leopard1996 — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:20:28 +0000

I undestand the “Classical Liberal” is one that doesn’t believe in government control in any matters, much as I also believe as a Libertarian.

Now if you are trying to insult me, I personally don’t need a Hanniity, Rush, or some professor hack trying to sell books to tell me. I was responding to the comment that you vote for the best Libertarian either Democrat or Republican. And I was curious about that because I have heard many Libertarians stating that they voted for Obama, and I know I could not square that with my own Libertarian leanings.

By: lightfootletters

lightfootletters — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:06:46 +0000

No liberal, including myself, would support any socialist, authoritarian or statist candidate like Obama or Uncle Teddy. I can only assume you adhere to media political definitions from the likes of James Carville or Sean Hannity, or some partisan hack professor whose main purpose is to sell a political party, books or candidates. Which they are very good at what they do. Just for the record only about 15 to 20 percent of the US call themselves liberals. And, only about 10 percent are actually liberals. According to the media (Hannity and the Rushman) over 50 percent of the US are liberals. Go figure!!

By: robertbelvedere

robertbelvedere — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:11:36 +0000

As many of us predicted, the Republicans in the Senate are not trying to defeat Obamacare at all. Rather, they seem to have convinced themselves that socialized health care is going to pass and that the best they can do is not make it as socialized as the Leftist Democrats want. The Republicans do not understand one of the basic truths of life: whether you have a lot of a thing or a little bit of the same thing, you still have the thing. Whether you have a lot of Socialism or you have a little socialism, you still have Socialism. Once you open the door to the government controlling every aspect of our lives in the name of preserving our health, you make ALL OF US wards of the state. This cave-in by the Republicans is not only pathetic and disgusting, it is a betrayel of their oath to 'preserve, protect, and defend The Constitution Of The United States against all enemies foreign and domestic'. The enemy is the Left. It wants to tear down and destroy everything America stands for. The Republicans in the Congress are either oblivious to this fact [stupid/naive] or they have resolved to stand by and observe and aid in this rape of America [accessory during the act]. If your Congressman is a Republican, contact him or her and tell them you will not vote for them ever again if they help in any way, no mater how watered-down the final product, to get Obamacare passed. Do not give money to any Republican who betrays his or her oath. Do not give money to the NRSC or the NRCC. NOT ONE RED CENT! OBAMACARE DELANDA EST! Quoted from and Linked to at: DISPATCH FROM THE TWO FRONT WAR ----- It's Time To ROC 'N' ROLL: Restore Our Constitution & Restore Our Lost Liberties

By: Neil Stevens

Neil Stevens — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:57:01 +0000

By: Third Street

Third Street — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:45:00 +0000

By: Neil Stevens

Neil Stevens — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:40:46 +0000

No analysis of what happened to the Whig voters is complete without at least taking the American party into consideration.

By: larueladue

larueladue — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:25:01 +0000

But I believe there was a period of time (albeit short) where the Whigs and Republicans were separate parties at the same time, until the Whigs were essentially assimilated by the Republican Party.

By: AceInTX

AceInTX — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:23:08 +0000

that you can't cut them first of all…and the most insidious part is

By: Leopard1996

Leopard1996 — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:20:59 +0000

And if so, how did supporting him square with Libertarian?

By: AceInTX

AceInTX — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:20:10 +0000

It’s not about luxury…why not fight against this thing based on it’s merits…or lack of them. Erick points out there is a better route for Republicans…that being introducing bills that will guarantee internecine warfare within the Democrat ranks….but as our leadership always does…they’ll jump up and down with glee as they throw another principled arguement to the wind for the short term satisfaction of playing gotcha. meanwhile, we compromise one more issue in the long slow march to socialism…

again…my contention is…Medicare and Medicaid are the major sources of the problems with our health care system…but by playing this game…McCain solidifies the principles that you can cut them first of all…and the most insicious part is…we are now on record agreeing with the arguement we had in the 1990s against Bill Clinton that s decrease in the projected increase in spending is actually a cut.

Once again we are handing the Democrats the hammer to smash our brains in!

By: lightfootletters

lightfootletters — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:33:16 +0000

I always vote for all local and national elections with rare exception. I was a Republivan when the Republicans were the true liberals. Then, I was a Republican when the Republicans were the true conservatives. Today I am a true independent. I vote for the best Libertarian, Republican or Democrat that is put up for election.
I disagree that Marx was a smart man. He did not have the experience or intellect to understand human nature. This flaw is evident thru out his theories.

By: Third Street

Third Street — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:38:58 +0000

Right now it’s gonna take everything we’ve got to 1.) beat back this bill, and 2.) get enough Democrats out of office next fall to be sure we don’t have to deal with this again anytime soon. The Medicare argument is water waaaaay under the bridge as far as the general public is concerned; right now the best we can do is use it as a weapon against something far worse.

By: Neil Stevens

Neil Stevens — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:38:15 +0000