this guys better have a good strategy that we do not know about or this is going to be a disaster.

although I’d love to see all the RINOs out it seems the R’s are saying “OK” it’s all yours Dems… and the Dems are choking on it.

If the R’s block it the Dems can bash them as the “obstructionist party” etc and get reelected etc.

If the Dems get their way they know they are toast in the next election cycle.

The Dems are more the ones sitting on the horns of the dilemma, not the R’s here.

Scary as it seems, I don’t think Lieberman will allow it to go final passage, much to the relief of everyone eventually.

What is so hard to understand….? Millions are protesting in the streets to kill this damn bill and still no one hears their cry. I guess that maybe they haven’t lost enough seats in the Senate yet.
McCain is still showing us he still has the will to lose.

I keep hammering Cornyn on this, here was my question/allegation =)
Michael Dugas: “Senator, can you explain to us why Republican Senators, instead of offering up an amendment that would split the Democrats on Health Care or offering up something like the Stupak amendment, you guys decide to work WITH Democrats to IMROVE the Health Care Bill. This Health Care Bill has to be STOPPED, not tweaked so the Dems get 90% of what they want and the country gets 100% screwed. You guys could have done nothing and let cloture fail on its own, but no you guys have to give the Dems cover by signing on to some BS Bipartisan teamwork.”
Here is John Cornyn’s response.
John Cornyn:”My goal is to stop it and start over with step by step approach that will bring down costs and cover more people”

So you are right, I think some of them want this bill and the control/power it will bring to the federal government. That or they just don’t have any gonads or spines.

What did you expect.

That would seriously delay the whole process which is something our side should want.

So while one can rightly object to Murkowski’s amendment (I have no idea why McConnell is allowing that one as it’s horrible from a tactical standpoint), the McCain amendment actually furthers our goals (and I assume Bennett’s amendment would be moot, if McCain’s passes – someone can correct me if I’m wrong).

So I don’t see this as all bad – at least not McCain’s.

These men are not Leaders nor are they leaders. They are jokes. They have given away our country and don’t care. That any of them were surprised at their losses in 2006 tells me this is systemic, every one of them has to go. People were dying to vote for a republican for president but the Beltway guys either scorned or ignored them. Something is quite wrong.

Quote: “The Republicans are playing so nice with the Democrats in the Senate that they are improving the health care bill so it can pass.”

You must be on drugs.

That puts the bill at 1.5 trillion dollars (nominally). That is going to seriously rock the Public. It also has the added benefit of appearing to take care of Senior Citizens (which it does). I am sure agreeing to this amendment is not going to make this bill any more passable. I smell Stupak, not Stupid, politics here.

Since Nelson has said he wont support a bill without Stupak language in it, it seems to me we would have 42 senators willing to filibuster it then. Anyways, I doubt McConnell wants this proces speeded up, I think he is just pointing out how divided the Dems are right now.

I don’t understand why Senate Republicans are now such ardent defenders of Medicare? Haven’t they been advocating reform of Medicare for some time, and didn’t many of them vote for the Balanced Budget Act of 1997, which would have made substantial cuts in Medicare?

How are health care costs supposed to come down if we keep beefing up Medicare?

As far as I can tell, not a one of these amendments “improves” the bill to any extent that would increase the chances for passage. McCain is trying to stop it, and I don’t believe Murkowski would propose anything of substance.

Republicans can ONLY improve its chances for passages by supporting the removal or weakening of the “public option.” Nothing else they do or do not do will matter.

How many times do we have to fire one over the bow before these clowns get the message?

They aren’t going to be happy until they bankrupt the whole country. Then again, what do they care? Most of them will have passed on when the bill comes due.

It is the Republicans in Congress who lost Congress.

I am in Senator Bob Bennett’s state, Utah.

Is that Senator Bob Bennett or the other Senator Bennett with the amendment?
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By the way, A recent Poll in Utah says almost nothing, but one thing, the average adult in Utah doesn’t want Bob Bennett back and are still looking to which candidate they want.

(Many delegates are lining up behind Cherilyn Eagar)

The Poll didn’t ask the
likely gop delegates, which would have made the most sense.
or
liklely gop closed primary voters, which might make some sense
or even
likely general election voters, which would have been helpful.

But it did ask if we want him going back to Washington and we said No. Too bad that part was just a poll. March 23, and May 8th are the critical dates to Boot the Bennett out.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705348498/Utahns-growing-tired-of-Bennett.html

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13914572

then isn’t that a sign that Reid doesn’t have the votes to pass it? It seems to me that McConnell called Reid’s bluff on it.

Are we getting back to the point in the House debate where the argument was over whether the GOP should vote against Stupak to try to poison the bill for the alleged pro-life Dems? Do you think the GOP should vote for the Mikulski amendment and roll the dice that it ensures Nelson will vote to filibuster?

Or are you just saying that the GOP should stall at every possible opportunity regardless of any other considerations?

I am still without a clue as to whether these amendments are a good tactical move or not. Amending a bad 2000 page bill seems like a dangerous game. I am more afraid of the parts of the bill I don’t know about than the ones I do.

The unanimous consent issue is very depressing. Apparently, the unified voice of RedState.com, and all the other conservative sites and all the conservative talk show hosts is not enough to change the vote of a SINGLE GOP SENATOR. I can only hope that there is a rational explanation for this failure. Is it possible that we are kidding ourselves to think we have any influence at all?

But given the sad and proven GOP pathology, I would place my bet on Erick’s side.

And again, it bears repeating that this bill should not be debated, modified, amended, sent to committee, voted upon, or waved in the air by excited members of Congress. It should never have been considered at all, because it is unconstitutional.

Continuing to play with this toxic bill is ridiculous, rather like the oft-mentioned scenario of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

“Continuing to play with this toxic bill is ridiculous, rather like the oft-mentioned scenario of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic”.

This is the smartest thing I’ve heard so far on this subject! This “Bill” is d#%m dangerous. The future of the USA and the free enterprise system that created it as we know it will be sunk if this thing ever passes.

The GOP strategy is to make the Dems walk over glass as many times as possible to go on the record with as many poisonous votes as possible. They are VERY happy to vote on the Milkulski amendment, because if it passes, the bill will be so pro-abort that it will be dead.

Same thing with the McCain admendment, the bill goes back to committee if it passes. It won’t pass, putting the Dems on the record as being in favor of Medicare cuts.

I’m sure there are many other fun amednments lined up, including gun ownership exclusions, etc…

Sorry, I’m not on the “GOP is being stupidheads AGAIN” train. They aren’t trying to improve the bill, they are trying to poison it.

yet. Believe me this is only but the first step towards defeating this. Putting the Dems to vote on something like cutting Medicare is priceless and even if they vote for it, the bill gets sent back to committee. The goal right now is to delay and rally public anger against the bill. Believe me the death panels, rationed care and all the other bells and whistles will still be on display for the public to see. WE CAN STILL WIN THIS, IT”S A LONG WAY FROM BEING OVER.

http://bit.ly/87HYLl

Republicans need to vote for their own amendments, but vote “present” on all Democrat alternatives.

President Obama’s adminstration is just a continuation of the President Bush adminstration. The media just pretends it is a new policy. Another proof that the leadership of the Democrats are not liberals and Republicans are not conservative.

what a bunch of losers…of course I’ll be attacked for stating what I just said because I can’t seem to do anything but attack Republicans…

CAN ANYONE TELL ME ANYTHING THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS DONE OR IS DOING IN THE LAST YEAR THAT THEY DESERVE PRAISE FOR?????

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in Washington—Fred Thompson

At least we know that the GOP is the “Permanent Loser Party”, The Gop won’t govern at all. They want to keep their jobsand perks comfortble in the view that no one will ever run against them. After all, who would want to run for a Loser party with no hope of governing?
And if in 2010 the GOP would get in as a Majority, it would be I fear, “say look how much power we have. This is great. Lets offer some crumbs to the peasants. We can fix cap and trade a bit and change Obama care a bit.Then we will throw up our skirts and say what can we do?”

The idiots lost the house, the senate and the WH but they still haven’t learned a damn thing. We used to hold our GOP meeting in a phone booth here in Texas and built it up. I hate third parties but for the sake of the grandchildren let’s hope I can live another fifty years to build a REAL conservative party (if anything is left). A deal with the devil might be kept—A deal with a dim will always be a cheat.

Don’t want to miss out on that invite, so they’ll play along and pretend to oppose the bill but eventually it’s all about the perks. Because, d@mn those cookies were good.

for Wednesday as per Politico. John Cornyn and Mike Crapo have the nerve! Read all the Crapo amendments. Gotta love this guy! One such sampling:

“The list includes political amendments. On the right, Sen. John Cornyn wants to force lawmakers to be covered under Medicaid instead of their current federal benefits and Sen. Mike Crapo proposes to strike a provision that would be a $300 million Medicaid boon to Louisiana — a proposal that was widely seen as a sweetener to win moderate Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu’s vote.”

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1209/A_look_at_the_more_than_60_amendments_filed_so_far_.html?showall

over her vote for this sham of a bill. Read all at Politico’s Live Pulse …

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving gal.

The arm twisting and shysterism that is rampantly involved in all this forced ‘Capone style’ democracy is relentlessly going to succeed. The dimos know this is their dream-utopia payoff. There are just enough idiot RINO’s or worse that are comfortable with statism, the last 6 years of republican rule has eloquently proven it.

No matter what is done, the left stream media ignores it and so does congress. Hate crimes passed, there’s not one dem who can stand the heat. Even with the exposure of the cult of global warming, which is still only seen on the web or Fox, cap & trade is going to come on like a steam roller.

The next step- “Strike-Back Day!” 15APR10. No one with a productive job works, uses power, produces anything or provides anything that is of taxable benefit to the feds, to include electicity and phones. If i’m still working i’ll tell my employer to deduct the day’s wages from my check. The amount of taxes not paid will get someone’s attention. the only thing real americans do that day is mourn the death of the republic or attend tea parties, period.

the date is far enough out to get momentum, and we’re hitting them in the only other spot that hurts, besides facts, THE WALLET!

If these Republican Morons put their hairy paw prints on this fiscal and moral travesty every Republican and Conservative in the country will be damaged perhaps beyond repair. It is hard for me to believe that these RINOs can be this self-centered and ignorant.

When the smoke clears there will be no Republican Party. In many ways we’ve one shot remaining, Cripple this Obama freight train, change the congressional makeup!!!

2010 is just around the corner, # (numero uno) first to go must be McCain. If he wanted to put in an amendment why not one to make sure illegals can not get on welfare roles of any kind, let alone Medicare/Medicaid or whatever it may become with this idiot’s help.

You all know the rest of the gang. But the ring leader at this point is McNasty. Thumbs Down folks.

PC is Thought Control
LEE

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to combat this problem is to vote out everyone in the Congress and the Senate!!! No matter what party they belong to. Democrummy, repellican or independent. if they are in office VOTE them out! Please, because at the end of the next election I want to be able to say CAN YOU HEAR US NOW!!!
Fred
Nashville N.C.

As many of us predicted, the Republicans in the Senate are not trying to defeat Obamacare at all. Rather, they seem to have convinced themselves that socialized health care is going to pass and that the best they can do is not make it as socialized as the Leftist Democrats want. The Republicans do not understand one of the basic truths of life: whether you have a lot of a thing or a little bit of the same thing, you still have the thing. Whether you have a lot of Socialism or you have a little socialism, you still have Socialism. Once you open the door to the government controlling every aspect of our lives in the name of preserving our health, you make ALL OF US wards of the state.

This cave-in by the Republicans is not only pathetic and disgusting, it is a betrayel of their oath to ‘preserve, protect, and defend The Constitution Of The United States against all enemies foreign and domestic’. The enemy is the Left. It wants to tear down and destroy everything America stands for. The Republicans in the Congress are either oblivious to this fact [stupid/naive] or they have resolved to stand by and observe and aid in this rape of America [accessory during the act].

If your Congressman is a Republican, contact him or her and tell them you will not vote for them ever again if they help in any way, no mater how watered-down the final product, to get Obamacare passed.

Do not give money to any Republican who betrays his or her oath.

Do not give money to the NRSC or the NRCC.

NOT ONE RED CENT!

OBAMACARE DELANDA EST!

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