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From: John Borowski
Subject: climate change
Date: November 22, 2009 11:06:00 PM EST
To: contact@redstate.com

Dear Redstate,

I am a long time environmental/marine science teacher who lives in a state where climate change is making its mark. Our ocean’s pH is dropping? Glacial ice in the Cascades is receding? Bird migrations have been altered? We are watching invertebrate migration off the coast change? The carbon dioxide levels are 387 ppm? And because of hacked email…now, climate change is definitely a fraud? How sad that you put politics above all us. It is transparent and pathetic. I was…a registered Republican. A Ted Roosevelt/fiscal conservative/God fearing conservative for years and years: now I see my party taken over by fools and corporate shills. Shame on you!
John F. Borowski

Here’s the funny bit — if you google this guy you will find that he is anything but a conservative, let alone a “God fearing” conservative.

Why do lefties always feel the need to lie to establish some level of credibility with their hate?


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Ah! you ask an existential question Erick

kyle8 (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 9:12AM EST (link)

Why do leftwadds always have to lie? Well I can answer in a variety of ways.

1) The Freudian answer: They still have mother issues hence their drive to smash and destroy and change everything.

2) The Theological Answer: “They are as their Father Satan, He is the father of lies and the truth is not in him.”

3) The character answer: Remember these guys in college? they were the dope smokers, the kids who thought they were smarter than the professors, the ones who didn’t quite fit in. They never found anything to believe in except progressivism, so they gave it their full devotion and have become fanatics.

4) The probable answer: Like Otter said in Animal House; “It’s got to work better than the truth!”

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
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Fifth answer: Babes!

larryp Monday, November 23rd at 1:06PM EST (link)

these progressive movements are hot with dyn-o-mite babes…
(real mature these guys–locked into doobie arrested development…)

No.

Charles Cianfrocca (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 2:05PM EST (link)

Are you kidding? Whatever it is, it is emphatically not the babes. C’mon. We have Mary Catherine Ham, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham, etc. They have Rachel Maddow.

No, it’s not the babes.

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And of course TR himself was a conservative-hating, statist progressive (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 9:21AM EST (link)

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Yeah...

Mike (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 9:47AM EST (link)

You beat me to it. Roosevelts are always progressives.

 
 

Questions or comments??

marshmom (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 9:31AM EST (link)

“Our ocean’s pH is dropping? Glacial ice in the Cascades is receding? Bird migrations have been altered? We are watching invertebrate migration off the coast change? The carbon dioxide levels are 387 ppm? And because of hacked email…now, climate change is definitely a fraud?”

First of all, all of his sentences end with question marks. Does that mean he is asking us a question about these things?
Second of all, IF these “questions” are meant to be statements and are even somewhat true……….why does it have to mean that it’s because of man-made climate change? Our earth goes through changes and has since the beginning of time.
Like my grandmother said………if these people were around millions of years ago, they would’ve saved all the dinosaurs and we wouldn’t exist!
Get a life buddy. Your sham has been exposed. It is what it is. Deal with it.

Don't give his comments any credibility

anastas (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 10:54AM EST (link)

You’re giving a few of his comments credibility that they don’t deserve. He lied about who he was, he lied about his beliefs and he’s going to give facts on GloBULL Warming? Sorry, there is no proof that the ice is receding. And if it was, it’s going to start expanding again during “WINTER” can you say it? WIN-TER. That’s when it gets cold and the ice expands, even as far down mid Illinois.

But one thing is for sure, most of the worlds population lives around the equator . . . but they don’t seem to be running for the cold areas. As a matter of fact, equator areas due to the warmth, they are forced to wear less clothing. Bring on global warming! ;o)

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Well, maybe he's what counts for conservative in Oregon?

Steph C (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 9:41AM EST (link)

ohn F. Borowski is an Environmental and Marine Science teacher at North Salem High, Salem, Oregon.

http://www.ednews.org/users/john-f.-borowski-columnist-educationnews.org-610.html

I mean, if you hold even a shred of anything besides sheeplism doctrine, you might be considered a conservative there. A real conservative would be considered a terrorist by Oregon’s standards.

/snark

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He may be a "science teacher" because he drew the short straw.

Achance (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 12:09PM EST (link)

For a lot of years and in a lot of places, few K-12 teachers were specialized. They weren’t science majors or math majors, they were education majors. That meant that in subject matter, they had one or two classes above the high school level and the rest were in pedagogy. Then after they became teachers, if they went on to graduate school to get the higher pay, it is almost always in those special continuing ed for teachers classes that are not about, say, marine science but rather about teaching marine science.

In Vino Veritas

All educators are education majors.

Steph C (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 1:10PM EST (link)

If you look at the curriculum in the universities today, you have to have an education degree to be a teacher with a focus in (fill in the blank) and that degree is made up almost entirely of education course with a scattering of coursework in the subject matter one will use to educate young minds.

I seriously thought about getting such a degree and it was a real turnoff for me, especially considering I had enough science courses already to fill the requirements for the degree.

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Some states are now requiring an undergraduate degree

Achance (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 1:16PM EST (link)

in subject matter and then a one to two year pedagogy curriculum on top of it to get a teaching certificate. That’s a response to the fact that in many cases at the high school level, the kids really were smarter and better educated than the teachers. Here in AK, they call it a Masters of Art in Teaching or MAT program. All the people with BAs in Education are grandfathered in though.

In Vino Veritas

That makes sense.

Steph C (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 1:35PM EST (link)

But has it helped much?

“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Too early to tell,

Achance (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 2:52PM EST (link)

but BAs have been so dumbed down that most barely get a HS education with their BA.

In Vino Veritas

Yeah, I know.

Steph C (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 3:28PM EST (link)

Even as the cost of college education goes up, the value of the degree goes down.

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Maybe he calls himself a conservative

bk (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 9:55AM EST (link)

because he can write an email to Erick full of lies as is typical, but without the usual explosion of expletives.

 

And...

smitch61 Monday, November 23rd at 9:58AM EST (link)

His lack of writing skills also give him away. The punctuation is way off, question marks where there should be none, and misspellings.

I thought the question marks

gunnerbs (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 11:40AM EST (link)

were how my browser was handling the font. Everyone can see them?

He IS a moron.

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I think John bought to much of Al Gore's stock

izoneguy (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 10:33AM EST (link)

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/3849

John really needs to watch this film:

http://noteviljustwrong.com/

I will take “Global Warming” over a new Ice Age any day!

I say let’s crank up the CO2 emissions to eliminate winter in AMERICA!!!

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Don't give them excuses to

Steph C (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 11:20AM EST (link)

keep going with their cap and tax plan. It’s for the stockholders who lost big with AGW!!!!

Of course, they won’t tell you how much individual Congressmen and Senators own of that stock.

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That's change I can believe in

Bill S (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 12:24PM EST (link)

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 
 

So is ice supposed only to advance?

johnt Monday, November 23rd at 10:48AM EST (link)

It’s been known to happen before, and if there had been any it would have been great for the ski resorts.
I mean it’s not going to stay the same, nature is funny that way, birds changing patterns, differences in temperatures, crazy little things like sun spots, a place called Greenland that isn’t.
What we need id a climate czar, hopefully a communist, also called progressives, to control the weather. Give him/her a magic wand, $400 billion a year for starters, yes I know, it’s peanuts, and 5,000 dedicated, is there any other kind, civil servants, all of them underpaid at $90m a year.

That should keep the proletariat quite for a week or two.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

 

Marine Science is what you do when you want to spend time on the beach and get paid for it.

Chemical Sam (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 10:57AM EST (link)

I know these people from undergraduate school. Lots of biology, the absolute minimum of math, one chemistry course (maybe the first year) and zero physics or spectroscopy.

Lots of weed, through.

Couldn’t measure pH carefully, or interpret the significance of the results if it meant their life.

Lots of statistical analysis on the size of the shells, too. Golf Claps.

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Not bad considering the forces arrayed against small business these days.
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I think that the point that lots of weed have been smoked makes a difference

Richard Mullins (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 11:22AM EST (link)

So I sure this guy might not much qualifications but he did smoke lots of dope at a holiday inn last night.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 
 

Hey Borowski, to quote Senator Inhofe

sharonmcp (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 11:03AM EST (link)

“The fact that this whole idea on the global warming, I’m glad that’s over and gone, done. We won, you lost, get a life.”

“Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.” ~ Ronald Reagan

 

I was an environmentalist

proudmarinemom (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 11:12AM EST (link)

in the 1970s, the 1980s and the 1990s. I spearheaded a neighborhood recycling program when the county could not gets it act together to mandate curbside recycling. I personally drove minivan loads of cardboard, cans, bottles and plastics to a recycling drop-off center 20 minutes from my house, usually with two children strapped into car seats in the middle of the pile. I used CLOTH diapers on my kids — I am NOT kidding. I became a vegan in 1990 and am still a near-vegetarian, although I really love a cedar-planked slab of Atlantic salmon.

I do not see how being a conservative interferes with my belief, based in Christian teaching, that we humans need to be careful stewards of this amazing planet lent to us by a generous God. It does not.

I’ll be dam*ed if I will be lectured by corrupt scientists and Fat Al (Learjet) Gore about Global Warming. I will not allow these thieves to bankrupt my great country while they soak in hot tubs, fly all over the world in private jets and eat more than their fair share of farm products.

It makes me want to cook myself a great big cheeseburger using 100,000 BTUs of smog-producing dirty fuel when I hear these windbags blather on about the need to detroy people’s livelihoods so they can pat themselves on the back and enrich themselves at my expense.

Call me a liar if you want, but I know in my heart that I have done my fair share of saving the planet. Now, fire up that grill.

I agree proudmarinemom

sharonmcp (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 11:41AM EST (link)

“I do not see how being a conservative interferes with my belief, based in Christian teaching, that we humans need to be careful stewards of this amazing planet lent to us by a generous God. It does not.”

I have had this ‘debate’ for years with my son, who was indoctrinated with the Global Warming ‘religion’ in public school and by watching PBS.

He just can’t seem to understand how I can advocate recycling and doing what we logically can to protect what God has given us, yet not believe in “the scientific facts” of Global Warming.

While I’m glad that this junk science is finally being shown for what it is, I’m not looking forward to the disappointment and disillusionment that my son is going to face because of it.

btw, if you’re ever in West Central Fl, I’ll be glad to “fire up the grill” for you. :-)

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^5 proudmarinemom

LibRick (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 1:03PM EST (link)

Fantastic post. While the rest of us regular people are doing our part to conserve and recycle, these so called global warming advocates are merely pushing their money making agenda so they can keep fueling their luxurious hot tubs and pools to further marinate their fat selfish bodies in self-righteousness.

But grilling a cheeseburger at 100,000BTUs might dry it out a tad. ;)

Spoken like a true conservative LibRick. ;^) nt

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 1:11PM EST (link)

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

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Aaron

LibRick (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 1:19PM EST (link)

“There you go again.”

Heh, 5 LibRick. nt

Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 1:35PM EST (link)

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat


 
 
 
 

There's conservationism and there's enviromentalism

Cheryl (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 1:09PM EST (link)

I’m with you, I always believed we’re the party of the first of the two. We’ve believed in the stewardship thing because of how we were taught and it’s just right.

I do take one issue with the recyclng thing. I live in a condo with both trash and recycle bins and it takes two trucks twice a week spitting out pollution to make it convenient for us to conserve. Before living in the bay area, I grew up in CA central valley, one of the worst air polluted areas in the U.S. Much of the smog comes from the bay area. The consequences of good intentions and all that.

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Awesome comment nt

aesthete (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 1:46PM EST (link)

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At least his salutation was "Dear".

Tbone (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 11:16AM EST (link)

He must love us a little.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

Dear Mr. Borowski

baserunr (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 11:52AM EST (link)

I note from one of your previous articles that you have such appropriate lines as

“The hypocrisy makes me sad and ill”
“If you don’t like the data: delete in from your site.”
“When caught red- handed: delete critical evidence or just lie?”

It appears that you and your fellow Red-handed sympathizers have finally been exposed. Kudos to whoever it was that was brave enough to expose the REAL truth about who the “deniers” are….

“The day you think you know it all is the day your trouble starts.”

 

Why do lefties always feel the need to lie to establish some level of credibility with their hate?

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 2:59PM EST (link)

Easy question.

LEFTISTS = LIARS, in the order of the SERPENT IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN.

Lefties don't lie, Rod. Whatever they say is true for them. nt

Achance (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 3:00PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

Ha ha ha. You're right.

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 3:28PM EST (link)

I forgot that the liberals are seeing things from a different plane.

 
 
 

"I'm a Republican, but (insert lib talking point here)"

RedBeard Monday, November 23rd at 4:43PM EST (link)

Or, “I’m a conservative, but (insert lib talking point here)”

Or, “I voted for Bush, but (insert lib talking point here)”

Tiresome game, very childish. In reality, nothing more than penny ante liars and cowards.

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

 

but e-Watergate (Palin email hack) had to be front page

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 7:07PM EST (link)

because, of course, the Liberal (when it is anything about the Right) “the seriousness of the….” blah-blah-blah….. Anything Leftist, the “seriousness” of the consequences REQUIRE that they be cautiously weary and not discuss until all the Facts are glossed over… um…. ah…. er…. IN!

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LIAR

Dr. Botkin Monday, November 23rd at 7:35PM EST (link)

Liberals must lie because liberalism is a grotesque deception that cannot withstand the light of scrutiny.Unmasked, liberals are alien to everything American and would likely be unable to be elected in the bluest of the blue states.

 

Link To A Commie Rant By This "Teddy Roosevelt" Conservative

rcov092 (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 8:08PM EST (link)

he is so FOS he make me want to laugh at his really lame attemp to fool thoise of us who have more common sense in our littel toe that he could accumulate through 100 years o reading Heritage.org>

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/18060

Tell him to change his ID to “Smirking Chip” more appropriate for this leftist moron.

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USING THE "L" WORD

reelman (Diary) Monday, November 23rd at 8:50PM EST (link)

REALITY: USING THE “L” WORD
Many select words have been used to describe the modern democrat. Some words are “liberal” and “progressive”. They are, of course, really secular socialists. They vote as secular socialists. They support secular and socialist positions year after year after year.
I have always maintained that secular socialism is a very “hard sell” to any thinking logical voter. So what is the modern democrat salesperson to do? The way to “get around” exposing the secular socialism principles its necessary to avoid mentioning them. The modern liberal does this various ways.
The most common “delivery systems” for secular socialism are crisis creation, distortion, opponent smears and lying. The most important of these is the bold serial lie. It works a surprising percentage of the time because its so darn confidently given, so darn boldly expressed or so darn sincerely repeated (and echoed by the lapdog media) by modern democrats that all common sense analysis leaves the listener.
Today Rush “took off the gloves” and said this a couple dozen times. Liberals (as he calls them) lie daily because its the only way to promote their agenda…has been his synopsis for years.
Think about how many bold serial echoed democrat lies you have heard just in since June 2008. Now think about the media “fact checking” percentages. Think about the arrogant refusals to answer, to debate, to accept responsibility, to face a microphone.
Point 1: Its way past time for America to realize that the secular socialists are to be fact-checked daily if not hourly before you ever consider supporting these liars.
Point 2: The lying is of zero concern to the modern democrat because they have NO ethical or political boundaries (conscience).
Hence answering voters respectfully, being transparent as promised or always low-balling new program costs by 300-900% matters not.
Its about democrat power, its about democrat control, its about their political religion….secular socialism.
Simply allow these two points to light your path to daily truth.
http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish/

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The problem is congress…is congress…
Secular Socialism is never the answer…
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