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		<title>By: reverendred</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42871</link>
		<dc:creator>reverendred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and Harry Reid&#039;s latest proposal is an increase in taxes for those making over $200,000.  Remember that campaign promise Obama made to cut taxes for those making under $250,000?  I guess this is one of those sacrifices that Obama was referring to in his speech to the admiring throng on election night.  

Cut taxes.  Then raise them.  I am so looking forward to voting in 2010.

Red Wall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and Harry Reid&#8217;s latest proposal is an increase in taxes for those making over $200,000.  Remember that campaign promise Obama made to cut taxes for those making under $250,000?  I guess this is one of those sacrifices that Obama was referring to in his speech to the admiring throng on election night.  </p>
<p>Cut taxes.  Then raise them.  I am so looking forward to voting in 2010.</p>
<p>Red Wall</p>
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		<title>By: reverendred</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42870</link>
		<dc:creator>reverendred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leo XIII had some pretty strong stuff to say, like

To remedy these wrongs the socialists, working on the poor man&#039;s envy of the rich, are striving to do away with private property, and contend that individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies. They hold that by thus transferring property from private individuals to the community, the present mischievous state of things will be set to rights, inasmuch as each citizen will then get his fair share of whatever there is to enjoy. But their contentions are so clearly powerless to end the controversy that were they carried into effect the working man himself would be among the first to suffer. They are, moreover, emphatically unjust, for they would rob the lawful possessor, distort the functions of the State, and create utter confusion in the community. (paragraph 4 of Rerum Novarum, written in 1891!)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo XIII had some pretty strong stuff to say, like</p>
<p>To remedy these wrongs the socialists, working on the poor man&#8217;s envy of the rich, are striving to do away with private property, and contend that individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies. They hold that by thus transferring property from private individuals to the community, the present mischievous state of things will be set to rights, inasmuch as each citizen will then get his fair share of whatever there is to enjoy. But their contentions are so clearly powerless to end the controversy that were they carried into effect the working man himself would be among the first to suffer. They are, moreover, emphatically unjust, for they would rob the lawful possessor, distort the functions of the State, and create utter confusion in the community. (paragraph 4 of Rerum Novarum, written in 1891!)</p>
<p>The Footnote Guy</p>
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		<title>By: reverendred</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42868</link>
		<dc:creator>reverendred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and it isn&#039;t pretty.  Yet we are still going down that road.  Why?  Because it is enticing, and people are easily enticed.  The Catholic Church had the dangers of this system figured out decades ago, and condemned socialism before most people in the U.S. had ever heard of it.
RR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and it isn&#8217;t pretty.  Yet we are still going down that road.  Why?  Because it is enticing, and people are easily enticed.  The Catholic Church had the dangers of this system figured out decades ago, and condemned socialism before most people in the U.S. had ever heard of it.<br />
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		<title>By: samdallas</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42864</link>
		<dc:creator>samdallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a cousin that taught there.  Glad they didn&#039;t see that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a cousin that taught there.  Glad they didn&#8217;t see that.</p>
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		<title>By: penguin2</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42862</link>
		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is West Point.  I&#039;ll beat ColdWarrior to telling you, as he a graduate of West Point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is West Point.  I&#8217;ll beat ColdWarrior to telling you, as he a graduate of West Point.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42860</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The military works *despite* being government-run, not because of it.</description>
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		<title>By: samdallas</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42853</link>
		<dc:creator>samdallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with or without net neutrality.  It is their speed which is at issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with or without net neutrality.  It is their speed which is at issue.</p>
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		<title>By: samdallas</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42851</link>
		<dc:creator>samdallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but if it is a valid fear it is actually an argument for net neutraility (which not I am not promoting-- like I said I don&#039;t think it matters much)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but if it is a valid fear it is actually an argument for net neutraility (which not I am not promoting&#8211; like I said I don&#8217;t think it matters much)</p>
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		<title>By: mschmitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>mschmitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: samdallas</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42847</link>
		<dc:creator>samdallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to its competitors like Intel just had to with AMD (in a pretty open and shut case).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to its competitors like Intel just had to with AMD (in a pretty open and shut case).</p>
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		<title>By: samdallas</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42846</link>
		<dc:creator>samdallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but that is not from personal experience, so I assume some redstaters with firsthand knowledge can set me straight if I am wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but that is not from personal experience, so I assume some redstaters with firsthand knowledge can set me straight if I am wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42845</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42844</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: samdallas</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42843</link>
		<dc:creator>samdallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is creating a free national engineering school in the spirit of Westpoint.  It is a national security issue that we are losing our lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is creating a free national engineering school in the spirit of Westpoint.  It is a national security issue that we are losing our lead.</p>
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		<title>By: samdallas</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42841</link>
		<dc:creator>samdallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proponents want it to prevent anticompetitive practices (and such practices have been a bane on the industry), and the opponents think it will make telecom so unprofitable it will kill the internet.  I think the anticompetitive stuff will get slapped if it goes too far as we just saw with Intel.  And as for &quot;all packets are created equal&quot; that will slow average response time, but not in a big way in my opinion, and creates such a KISS requirements spec that it will also introduce some efficiencies.  So yes, I think it is a side show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proponents want it to prevent anticompetitive practices (and such practices have been a bane on the industry), and the opponents think it will make telecom so unprofitable it will kill the internet.  I think the anticompetitive stuff will get slapped if it goes too far as we just saw with Intel.  And as for &#8220;all packets are created equal&#8221; that will slow average response time, but not in a big way in my opinion, and creates such a KISS requirements spec that it will also introduce some efficiencies.  So yes, I think it is a side show.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42837</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it&#039;s not a side show at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it&#8217;s not a side show at all.</p>
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		<title>By: mikefisk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikefisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...the long-standing monetary policy has also helped spur our current balance of payments deficit, and is serving to some as justification for turning the printing presses on at full speed now.

But yes, monetary policy is a far more powerful instrument for responding to shocks in the economy, even more so if you believe some of Ben Bernanke&#039;s research into credit view models of the economy (which, in the wake of the current downturn, are pretty well proven, at least in their basic concepts).  The only case I can think of to the contrary were if you personally believe in strict Keynesian models of the economy (which not even Keynesians do anymore; most of them espouse something closer to the New Keynesian worldview) or if you were intending to use economic models to be deliberately disingenuous to the American public (far more likely).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;the long-standing monetary policy has also helped spur our current balance of payments deficit, and is serving to some as justification for turning the printing presses on at full speed now.</p>
<p>But yes, monetary policy is a far more powerful instrument for responding to shocks in the economy, even more so if you believe some of Ben Bernanke&#8217;s research into credit view models of the economy (which, in the wake of the current downturn, are pretty well proven, at least in their basic concepts).  The only case I can think of to the contrary were if you personally believe in strict Keynesian models of the economy (which not even Keynesians do anymore; most of them espouse something closer to the New Keynesian worldview) or if you were intending to use economic models to be deliberately disingenuous to the American public (far more likely).</p>
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		<title>By: Colby Kamin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42834</link>
		<dc:creator>Colby Kamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...&quot;We Are All Socialists Now,&quot; they were really just talking about the media.  Was this another Frank Rich hit piece?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8221;We Are All Socialists Now,&#8221; they were really just talking about the media.  Was this another Frank Rich hit piece?</p>
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		<title>By: samdallas</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/21/the-second-stimulus/comment-page-1/#comment-42832</link>
		<dc:creator>samdallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real threat is China making software and chips.  That is both an economic and military threat.  Net neutrality is a side show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real threat is China making software and chips.  That is both an economic and military threat.  Net neutrality is a side show.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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