Is this the pseudo-start of a Presidential bid for Mitch Daniels?


One of the very few states in the nation to have a budget surplus right now is Mitch Daniels’ Indiana. As Governor, Daniels actually went into office, raised sales taxes, cut property taxes, fixed his budget problems, then slashed the beejeezus out of tax rates, including the aforementioned sales tax. The state is thriving.

He’s an attractive choice to challenge Obama. I think a governor, not some congressman, is going to have to be our pick. Daniels fits the bill.

Here he is from the other night at the Indiana Republican Party’s Fall Dinner, using just notes, no prepared text or teleprompter:

Key bit in a transcript below the fold.

Now I want to close with just a few thoughts that fall outside our borders. Because around America tonight people are noticing Indiana. When I get down to Texas tomorrow, people will have questions. They’re writing about us in the press as Murray made mention. I’m personally getting some very strange phone calls, emails, and letters these days.

For some, it’s because their state’s in a wreck. Fiscally. Administratively. Economically. They want to know, what are you guys doing that we might emulate?

Some of them are partisan folks that are just tired of losing. They want to know, how is it you approach your fellow citizens in a way that seems to work even in years when things are going against our party?

Many of them are alarmed at the direction of our nation and they’re right to be. I am too. To the very great surprise of many Americans we are facing now a radical program. An extreme program that Americans did not vote for.

A friend, Judge Sarah Barker, swears this is a true story. She says she went to a parent-teacher night. First grade kids were there with their folks and the claim was on the first day of school the teacher gave some reading to be taken home and a little girl said, “This? All this? I have to read all this?” “Yes you have to read all this. This isn’t kindergarten anymore.” She says, “Well who the heck signed me up for that?”

Around America right now a lot of people are saying, “Who signed me up for that?” I don’t recall signing up for a takeover of the housing industry, the banking industry, the insurance industry, or the student loan industry. People say, “I didn’t understand my government was going to go into the automobile industry. Let alone it was going to steal money from the retired teachers and government workers of Indiana in order to pay for it.”

And right now people are asking, “Did I really sign up to see 17 or 18% of the American economy that is now wrapped up in health care taken over by the federal government? Did I really sign up to have utility rates double in Indiana, to undo so much of the economic progress we’ve made in pursuit of nothing? In pursuit of no environmental improvement through a cap-and-trade bill so called that by its own computer models will not budge the world thermometer. Will not save one polar bear. But will enrich undeserving states on the coast at the expense of Hoosiers. I didn’t sign up for that.”

I said I wasn’t surprised at much of this. If you watch the trajectory, the statements, the votes of our new president, you knew that he sincerely believes these things. I have been surprised, and I’m saddened to see all this abetted by some members of Indiana’s congressional delegation, who have voted in recent days for some of the worst of this. Jackie, you can’t get there in time. You can’t get there too soon.

I mean, the pose is over. I don’t know what color these dogs are, but friends, it ain’t blue, I’ll tell you that right now.

So people around America are looking for a different model. So our first concern is, and always will be, the good people of this state. The struggling people of this state, and especially the young people of this state toward whom we’ve always aimed everything we did. America may be determined, or some people, to hand over to the next generation an unsustainable set of bills and unaffordable debt. And entitlement programs that plunder the young to benefit those of us who are older. I hope we can turn away from that while there’s time.

But in Indiana we think about the next generation. We think about the future. We want this state to be better for our kids than it was for us. We don’t resign ourselves for a second to the idea of any decline. Any step back. And that’s the job that we have taken on as a party. That you have made possible. That you’re making possible by your attendence tonight. I cannot thank you enough for that.

I just want to tell you that we’re not going to default on the burden that falls on the party of hope. I read this great line. It’s been on my mind since I read it. In the book Lee’s Lieutenants, the classic study of Civil War generals under Robert E. Lee, there’s a great line. It’s about Gen. Beauregard, whose best battles were his first ones. Bull Run. Early days of the war. Then he gets cautious. Then he gets timid. Then he’s always looking at the newspapers to see how it’s all playing. Freman, the author, says, “A soldier is on the wane from the moment he begins to think more of reputation than opportunity.” A soldier is on the wane from the moment he begins to think more of reputation than opportunity. He meant if you start thinking more about yourself than the people you’re there to serve, the cause you’re there to serve, if you start worrying more about how it’ll look, how it’ll play, than about what’s the next challenge? What’s the next hill? What’s the next battle? What am I going to do for the benefit of the cause I’m a part of? Then you’re not the soldier you used to be. You’re not the soldier you ought to be.

We have to be soldiers who think always of opportunity, not of reputation. Who think always of the future and tomorrow. Not of things we already did. Not of preserving gains and any credit that might have come from it. I promise you tonight, on behalf of everybody who’s part of our team. On behalf of the Republican Senate majority that is and the Republican House majority that will be, we will think of opportunity, not reputation. We will think of tomorrow, not yesterday. We will think of yes, not no; hope, not memory. And we will create in this state a model of a party and a state that all of America looks to for greatness.

Thank you for your support and for being here tonight.


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If not President, Maybe a Senator?

earlgrey (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:06PM EST (link)

I really like MItch Daniels. I don’t know if he wants the job as President, but if so wow would that be a great pick.

Quesitons for the experts: When is it too late to challenge Senator Evan Bayh for 2010? He is very popular in Indiana, but healthcare is not popular in that state.

There are several running already

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:38PM EST (link)

But they are relatively unknown local politicians, or state legislators. Bayh has been acting very nervous during this session of Congress. He must see weak polling numbers (or the potential). I think a Mike Pence or a Becky Skillman (our Lt. Governor) could make it extremely competitive. We’ll see though.

The primary is the first week of May. I’m not sure when the filing deadline is.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

Call me a sell-out, but whatever politician Rasmussen says stacks up best against Emperor Obama will get my vote.

bannedtroll Wednesday, November 18th at 7:31PM EST (link)

Obama must be defeated – that is the goal. I love Sarah, but we need someone who is electorally bulletproof. Someone with an impeccable, unassailable record and can make any of the media vultures look like the jackasses they are.

Now, it may just so happen that this country will be such a wreck in 4 years that we could run the Republican equivalent of Joe Biden and win in a landslide. In that case, my vote will go with the most staunch conservative we can find.

I’m a banned Democrat who came here to promote the idea that Republicans are racists for disliking Barack Obama.

 
 
 

Am I reading you correctly Erick? He raised taxes...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:07PM EST (link)

before he did all the great things you tout him for….and you want to run him against Obama?

I don’t get it…

sorry

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Just looked it up...and it looks like he's a tax the rich guy no less...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:14PM EST (link)

From Wickipedia:

Daniels sought to improve the state’s fiscal situation by calling for strict controls on all state spending increases and proposed a one year 1% tax increase on all individuals and entities earning over $100,000. The move was controversial for a conservative governor and the state legislature did not act on it.

As I read it…please correct me if I’m wrong…his first inclination was to raise taxes on the rich…and the legislature rebuffed him…makes you wonder what he’d have done if it was a tax and spend legislature?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

You know Ace

Erick Erickson (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:36PM EST (link)

At some point you do have to come into the real world instead of just saying “tax raise bad” and “tax cut good.”

Daniels cut essential services to the bone and still could not make up the budget gap the Democrats left him with. He also could not lower taxes any further because of it. So he raised the sales tax, cut the property tax, balanced the budget, then, once the state was safe again, cut all the taxes, including those he raised.

Who will stand on either hand and keep this bridge with me?

Erick,

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:42PM EST (link)

AceInTX has been knee jerk anti-Daniels ever since the Governor started rising in the national eye. That’s his right, I guess, but he can’t be reasoned with. I LIVE in Indiana, and tried on several occasions in the past to explain to him how well things have improved in this state, but he will not have it. He just sticks to whatever random news article or blog post (or Wikipedia entry…) he finds.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

I don't know where you get that from Mayhem because I don't think I've ever said anything about Daniels before today...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:02PM EST (link)

he’s never been on my Radar before this…and I’m willing to be persuaded that I’m wrong.

So why don’t you address the question I raised and lay off accusing me of being a knee jerk reactionary…In fact…I’m interested in the debate…and in learning more…or I wouldn’t have commented at all here.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

maybe you have me confused with someone else? nt

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:04PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

No, you are absolutely right

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:39PM EST (link)

I have confused you with someone named “ToughInTN,” who flooded one of Erick’s previous Mitch Daniels posts with rabid, uninformed comments. You’re two handles are somewhat similar, so in my mind I associated you with him. I truly apologize for the mix up. That was my bad.

Here’s Erick’s post from this summer to which I am referring:

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/06/10/mitch-daniels-continues-to-impress/

Again, deeply sorry about that.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

 
 
 
 

I don't totaly disagree Erick and I think I laid out pretty well why I'm suspicious in this case...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:56PM EST (link)

it’s the 1% tax on individuals making more than $100,000 that raises my hackles…I don’t like it on principle….combine that with the fact that:

1) he proposed it
2) the legislature rejected it
3) it wasn’t necessary since they balanced the budget and put it in surplus without it.

again, and I already admitted this, I don’t know enough to oppose him outright…but what I found with one Google search and about 2 minutes reading is enough to make me weary…

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

To be fair...I like the rest of his record that I know about

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:58PM EST (link)

it’s the tax the rich inclination that I’m reacting to at first blush.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

I think you have a right to be suspicious...

Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 7:49PM EST (link)

However…

I think its important to remember that he’s an executive politician and was likely working with advisors that were projecting stronger surplus with a short term loss in principle, long term gain… in offering a state surplus…

from the transcript above, his good character sticks out by identifying something that VERY few politicians understand today…

…[I]f you start thinking more about yourself than the people you’re there to serve, the cause you’re there to serve, if you start worrying more about how it’ll look, how it’ll play, than about what’s the next challenge? What’s the next hill? What’s the next battle? What am I going to do for the benefit of the cause I’m a part of? Then you’re not the soldier you used to be. You’re not the soldier you ought to be.

Unfortunately Ace, (and I base my comment on all my time here at RS reading your comments…) I don’t think you’ll ever find a single politician that meets your standards my friend!

“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives. “ -James Madison

 

$100,000 takes it well below "the rich"

jackhammer Thursday, November 19th at 5:54AM EST (link)

and I am not sure about the tax breakdowns in Indiana, but in most places in the US, the only place to actually get revenue from is the wealthiest 60%, seeing as 40% don’t pay any taxes whatsoever.

Just off hand I would guess that of the income tax revenues in Indiana, abotu 80% are rpobably from people earning over 100k, so if you actualyl want to get any more revenue, you are going to target them. It is also a more realistic political sell.

 
 
 
 

I wouldn't call it his "first inclination"

youthgrunt (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 9:32PM EST (link)

Mitch took the State Constitution seriously and was trying to figure out how to actually balance the budget. This is a requirement that was regularly ignored by 16 years of Democratic governors (including Senator Bayh). The only way he saw initially to balance the awful budget was to raise some taxes. In the end, they achieved it by cutting budgets and making various deals that have been controversial, yet effective.

As a correction to Erick, the SALES tax is higher than when he took office, but they have limited the property taxes which were becoming onerous and certainly more regressive than the sales taxes. He has also allowed raises in tobacco taxes. Yet on balance he is a lower tax guy.

Above all, he runs the government like a business in a very efficient way. He told us when he got into office that he would try different things. Some would not work. When they didn’t, he will admit it and move onto another solution. The tax proposal was one of those. So was the use of IBM to make one large government agency work better.

Mitch is a refreshing politician and I wish him only the best.

 
 

Not exactly

In The Hook (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:20PM EST (link)

He proposed a 1% income tax on those earning $100,000 or more. It did not go through the legislature. He also increased sales taxes by 1% but that was balanced by a property tax cap that made Indiana have one of the lowest property tax rates in the nation. Pretty similar to the swap Rubio wanted actually.

And, according to Wikipedia anyway, he turned a $600 million budget deficit into a $300 million surplus in a single year. That’s the kind of fiscal management we need in Washington.

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I'm not sure that changes my perceptionof him...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:34PM EST (link)

increasing taxes is always a negative for me…but what is even more distasteful to me than that…is going after a demographic based on income… and it smells even worse if he was the one who proposed it…and the legislature stiff armed him. If it were the legislature that forced him into it I’d be more charitable…but since it was him who proposed it…and the legislature who stopped it…and the budget ended up in surplus without it…well…

I don’t know enough about him to be outright against him…Let’s just say I’m underwhelmed to say the least.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Ace,

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:56PM EST (link)

He has willfully and humbly admitted (in National Review, I believe) that his “tax the rich” idea in his first year of his first term was a bad move. He has not made the same mistake since. He has proven himself a million times over since then. He is an incredible CEO. He is a manager, a real executive.

I don’t understand how you can overlook all the tax cuts he has made, all the spending cuts he has made, all the government bureaucracies he’s closed, all the budget management improvements he’s made (in a split Legislature I would add), and all the privatizing he has done. In spite of all that, the one thing you pick out of his record is that he tried, ONCE, to raise taxes… by 1 percent. A mistake he has repented and been atoned for.

Stop crucifying the janitor for one speck on the basketball court, when he’s waxed, polished, and cleaned 99.9 percent of it.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

Now that's what I'm looking for...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:11PM EST (link)

I said from my first post I didn’t know enough…and you fill in some good blanks here.

The reason I focused on the one issue is that’s all I know about him. and I wouldn’t crucify him for it and don’t intend to…especially if he’s admitted it was a mistake.

That said…I’ll ask questions about ANYONE who is being advocated as being the POTUS nominee for the Republican Party who ever tried to raise taxes on the rich or any other demographic…for whatever reason…it doesn’t mean I’ll oppose them…but I will ask the question.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Actually I said it from my second post...not the first...nt

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:13PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Ace,

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:55PM EST (link)

In your first post, I mixed you up with different poster here at RedState. I do apologize for the confusion. I am also in favor of reasoned debate, like you said earlier. “ToughInTN” was not reasonable in an earlier Daniels thread, so that’s kind of why I was quick to jump on him (which was really you) in this one. I corrected the error, above.

As for Daniels, I don’t even know that I would end up supporting a hypothetical “Mitch 2012″ campaign in a primary. Maybe there will be someone else who appeals to me more. That’s not to say that I wouldn’t support him, though. He certainly passes my tests. It’s just hard to say right now one way or the other, since we don’t even know what 2010 will look like, or what other candidates will jump in after the midterms. He’s stated over and over he’s not interested in being president, so I guess I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I'm "all in" for anybody who can quote Douglas Southall Freeman

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:07PM EST (link)

and that certainly is in keeping with what I’ve been saying about Republicans getting out of the Axes of Evil and making our reputations where we get elected rather than in NYC, DC, and LA and the cocktail party circuit.

In Vino Veritas

Preach it brother....play to the voters and stop pandering to the DC Press Corps nt

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:19PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

If he had more personality...

In The Hook (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:14PM EST (link)

He’d be an ideal candidate. I think Daniels is a serious guy who has bonafide conservative credentials and a very good track record as the leader of a state that isn’t inoculated from this bad economy, but it’s government’s balance sheet is healthy. He has a strong social conservative background but he’s done like Reagan and like McDonnell and emphasized conservative fiscal and economic principles that attract independents.

Of course, the big thing is that he has no flash. But if this recession continues to drag on, which I pray it does not regardless of the political implications, Americans will desperately look for a “return to normalcy” type guy. I know plenty of fiscal conservatives and moderates who were attracted to Obama not for his “yes we can” nonsense, but his posing as a sober and intellectual guy.

Personally, I hope Mitch stays below the radar for awhile, continues to build on his record and then get involved around the fall of 2010 by trying to run some Dem congressmen out of Indiana. Enough to build cred but not enough to attract a ton of attention from the left. Then he can quietly build a coalition through 2010 and get something together in 2011 for a real run.

For all of Palin’s star quality she carries a ton of negative baggage and for all of Romney’s inside baseball leadership, he doesn’t get anyone in the grassroots excited. I think a guy like Daniels could be a very good candidate that appeals to GOP party men and grassroots conservatives in the primaries and get the attention of folks in the middle during the general.

But that’s just me.

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Forget personality, he doesn't have...

mschmitt (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:59PM EST (link)

… the Presidential hair to win over undecided voters.

http://www2.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-25-2004/0002308595&EDATE=

usque ad finem

Obama doesn't really have hair...

revivefederalism (Diary) Thursday, November 19th at 4:18AM EST (link)

This didn’t stop his election….

 
 

I'm thinking that the ability to show some adult characteristics

Achance (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:23PM EST (link)

will outweigh charisma next time. Adult America, even foolish Peter Pan adult America, has seen what happens when you put the children in charge. And that is fundamentally what these people, and all other leftists are, adolescents in arrested development.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Rick Perry

Paul Seale (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:20PM EST (link)

If Gov. Perry were to run for president, he would have my full support.

No one is better connected to grass roots America, freedom loving and has a successful track record to boot.

First things first, though.

I've been thinking

wingsauce Wednesday, November 18th at 6:55PM EST (link)

along the same lines. I just get the feeling he may be looking for a run in 2012.

 

Perry would be wasted on America

opoconservative Thursday, November 19th at 12:21AM EST (link)

He should keep leading Texas into a separate future.

 
 

I've met Daniels

RedBeard Wednesday, November 18th at 4:31PM EST (link)

Informal setting during his campaign. Seemed willing to listen to what we had on our minds, and not just talk.

Indiana’s balanced budget, in stark comparison to Obama’s fiscal nightmare, is quite a plus.

Standard-bearer for grouchy curmudgeonry since, oh, 1975 or so.

 

Daniels is quite good on economics, but really bad on naitonal security

red_oakster (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:42PM EST (link)

While I would take a Reagan/Forbes/Fred/Giuliani economic platform ahead of Daniels’ program, I am really uneasy about his foreign policy views. He always has been more of a libertarian/minimalist in national security. I could be wrong, but I remember he has some dubious connections to anti-Israel groups as well.

So I would prefer an unapologetic hawk to a Lugar protege (which Daniels is).

He's also a Reagan protege.

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:03PM EST (link)

He was his chief political advisor.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

Anti-Israel?

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:17PM EST (link)

I have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to being anti-Israel. I live in Indiana and I have never heard anything even remotely close to that. The best that I could find is that he may have received an endorsement by an American Muslim group once, which was not even in his control.

It would take the most skilled of politicians to be anti-Israel AND successful in American politics. In far left districts, you’d have to be a real anti-Israel flame-thrower to get elected, and Mitch Daniels is about as modest and soft-spoken as you can get. Also, do you honestly expect a GOP candidate for Governor to get elected in a conservative state like Indiana, if he were chumming around with anti-Israel groups?

Please.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

do your research

red_oakster (Diary) Thursday, November 19th at 10:29AM EST (link)

I am pretty sure he has ties to anti-Israel groups. He spoke at and received honors from the Arab-American Institute, a group that has attacked Israel for decades. Daniels had to be aware of this when he spoke before this group. You need to do some more research.

The GOP has a group of anti-Israel policy wonks dating back to James Baker and Scowcroft and Colin Powell. I want a Reaganite foreign policy, not a Bush 41/Lugar version. Daniels is not good on these issues.

 
 
 
 

He used "awards" for reforming

mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 4:42PM EST (link)

CPS to run and they never happened, it is not reformed and IN has high rates of DCS rremoving children. The child welfare system is bad all over but he took it to another level by using it for his own advancements. Many children in his state have been traumatized, injured, physically and sexually abused and some even suffered death due to the over zealous actions of DCS and the judicial system denying parents their rights. Then to say he reformed it and used it in a campaign in so wrong.

 

I want to second Ericks call that we need to be looking to a governor for 2012...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:19PM EST (link)

I like Barbor. I know a lot more about him than the rest of them from his tenure as RNC chair…I’ve always liked him…

I’m not ruling Daniels out…despite my comments above…I want to know more!!!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

I like Barbour, but..

crosley (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:42PM EST (link)

Barbor is a very competent and intelligent conservative, and would make a great President, but he’s completely unelectable outside the Old South.

For one, he used to be a top tobacco lobbyist where he made millions. I personally have no issue with that (and I love my tobacco stocks) but if you polled Americans on that career, tobacco lobbyist would rank somewhere between banker and pimp.

Also, (Im a Southerner, so I can say this) he really sounds like the worst caricature you could possibly make of a GOP politician when he talks. All that’s missing is a mint julip in his hand. It’s almost like a Hollywood interpretation of a plantation owner.

The greatest conservative candidate on Earth means nothing to us if he can’t get elected.

ROFL...

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 6:26PM EST (link)

if you polled Americans on that career, tobacco lobbyist would rank somewhere between banker and pimp.

I love it…

I’m not sure I agree on the unalectability part…you may be right…but he has a quick whit that would stand him well belaying the “stupid Southerner” meme.

I’ll never forget, during the 2004 elections watching him do a press conference and some liberal reporter asked a question and then started to give him lip in the middle of his answer…

Haily just stopped, said “Bill, (or ted…or Bob…or whatever the poor sucker’s name was)…anyway he said, “Bill, You ask the questions…I”LL answer them…that’s the way this works”

I was waiting for him to tell him if he wanted Hailey’s job this wasn’t the place to compete for it….but it was a priceless moment and one I’ll carry to my grave as a fond memory as the only time in my life some liberal reporter got his comeuppance in the middle of a presser!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

a governor you say.....

kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 6:06PM EST (link)

Did I hear mention of a certain boy scout with great hair!

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

Ohh for pete's sake...not Mr Fantastic! nt

AceInTX (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 6:27PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

Mitch Daniels Is Awesome

crosley (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:21PM EST (link)

I really think he’s a solid, intelligent conservative. He’s certainly my favorite if he were to throw his hat in the ring. What’s interesting is he’s a real darkhorse favorite I’ve heard mentioned many times in conservative circles.

I look at the other front-runners, like Romney and Pawlenty, and they really don’t have any record of implementing conservative policy goals. I’m not saying they’re RINOS, and I support either of them withot question, but they haven’t really achieved much. Daniels has an impressive record to point to.

The election in 2012 is going to be won on economic and fiscal issues, and Mitch Daniel’s is tailor made for this role. It’s not going to be won on the cultural issues that candidates like Huckabee and Palin represent.

My only qualms is he’s not really that dynamic or charismatic. But looking out at the field, I think we could do a lot worse. A solid, intelligent leader that’s not flashy might be exactly what this country is craving in 2012.

 

You missed the best part of the speech!

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 5:28PM EST (link)

… Which was in the first half. It was mostly dealing with Indiana politics (the legislative session is just a month away), but it really showed just how reform minded he is.

In even-numbered years, Indiana has a “short” legislative session–just 30 days. Yet in that brief time, Governor Daniels, among other things, wants to pass a constitutional amendment to permanently cap property taxes, he wants to pass a reform proposal to ban gerrymandered state and congressional districts, and he wants to completely shut down township level government and consolidate county governments.

On top of that, he came out strong for winning back the Indiana House of Representatives. The Democrats control it 52-48, and have been a thorn in his flesh for the last 4 years. They oppose every reform he proposes and they are blocking his effort to cap property taxes. Last year, House Democrats tried to block his budget and pass one that raised taxes, raised spending, and completely depleted the $1 billion budget surplus. He stopped them, obviously, but his top goal is to win control of that House and finally push through the last of his reforms.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

The Devil Is In The Details...

IJB Wednesday, November 18th at 6:26PM EST (link)

…[Daniels] wants to pass a reform proposal to ban gerrymandered state and congressional districts, and he wants to completely shut down township level government and consolidate county governments.

Yeah, I’d want to hear a *lot* more about both of these proposals before I signed off on them,

For example, I’m mortally opposed to these so-called “non-partisan (unelected) commissions” that states like CA (and AZ?) are going to on redistricting. I personally can’t wait to see what CA’s state legislative districts look like after our new “non-partisan (unelected) commission” gets through with them – my bet is that there won’t be a Republican district left in the state of CA (we’ll be just like MA!). Stay tuned…

Anyway, if that’s Daniels’ answer (as it was Arnie’s), that’d be a pretty damaging position of his with me.

The Republicans In IN House Races

youthgrunt (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 9:44PM EST (link)

overall receive between 55 and 60 percent of the vote, yet are in the minority due to the gerrymandering that is in effect. The proposal on the table (which I don’t necessarily think is the right answer) is to base the districts on communities first and population second. For us, that would mean a HUGE turn to the Republicans in the State House. Which is one of the reasons that he won’t get the proposal passed.

The township argument has been going on for a couple of years. On the one hand, it is the closest government to the people. On the other hand, it is the most fiscally wasteful part of government. Shutting it down, as Daniels and others want, would be a good money saver for the state and help keep property taxes low. It risks making government less responsive to the people. In populated areas of the state, it makes a lot of sense. In rural areas, not as much. On balance I support the proposal, but realize its limits.

 

Redistricting

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 10:00PM EST (link)

First off, Indiana is not California (thankfully). We don’t have the corruption problems that you live with every day. The whole point of redistricting reform is to take that political opportunism out of the equation, or at least to reduce exponentially.

Redistricting reform is getting a lot of attention in Indiana. The Secretary of State, who is pushing the hardest for this, has not come out in favor of an independent panel. In fact, I think he prefers to keep it with the general assembly. But that is something that will have to be worked out.

The main idea behind it is to keep districts from looking like abstract art, to keep population equal, and to make district lines coterminous with county and city lines. That way, when you live in a city, you know your rep only represents your city, and not the city 50 miles down the road as well. The reform proposal is much needed and it would do wonders to improving efficiency and fairness in the electoral process.

Even if an independent panel is established, the legislature will have to approve any maps they produce. And the panel would have to follow those strict guidlines of population equality and county/city lines. So, there wouldn’t be much opportunity to politicize it.

www.rethinkingredistricting.org is the website that reform proponents are using to pressure legislators on this topic. It’s an informative and fascinating site that even residents of other states can glean ideas from.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

 
 
 

2010 comes first

Hoosier_Soldier Wednesday, November 18th at 7:22PM EST (link)

We should be striving to oust Hill and Ellsworth before we worry about who may or may not run for President.

Don't forget ousting Donnelly too. nt

pilgrim (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 10:29PM EST (link)

Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

 
 

He seems to have great deal of personality

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 10:29PM EST (link)

for an accountant or actuary. He should be able to raise several dollars for other Republican candidates over the next couple of years who then would constitute a grass root base of dozen(s) of widespread supporters.

I would be excited to meet him should he come to my home.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

So, you're saying he's no Pawlenty, huh? nt

mschmitt (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 10:32PM EST (link)

usque ad finem

Actually, he sounds like a conservative version

Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 10:51PM EST (link)

of Pawlenty.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 

LOL tbone nt

mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 11:21PM EST (link)
 

Are the national Democrats attacking Daniels yet? When they do, then he's in the race.

Crowe (Diary) Wednesday, November 18th at 10:45PM EST (link)

You know, when MSNBC sends a team of “journalists” to his hometown, college town, and every place he’s lived or so much as taken a leak since taking his first breath. When that happens you know two things: a) the Democrats think he’s running; b) they fear him.

“We sleep soundly in our beds only because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would do us harm Dear Leader Obama gives us leave to do so.”

 

Being right on the issues is super,

timnewport Thursday, November 19th at 12:09AM EST (link)

but let’s face it – to win a national election you need some personality, some pazazz. I couldn’t make it through an eight minute clip. That’s a bad sign.

 

Mitch and the time of day

RedBeard Thursday, November 19th at 6:04AM EST (link)

Forget budgets, forget roads and schools, forget taxation. The thing that sets Daniels apart from mere mortal politicians is that he took a firm stand on the most contentious, gut-wrenching, and divisive issue in all of Indiana history, the TIME OF DAY.

Yes folks, after 150 years of chaos, during which period a person could start a fistfight simply by asking what time it was, Gov. Daniels charged ahead into the Political Valley of Death by proposing that the entire state finally go on Daylight Savings Time. He took the position that it might possibly be better for Indiana businesses if the rest of the country had some idea when they opened and closed. Common sense radicalism in the pursuit of sanity. And he won.

Well, not entirely. The counties in the northwest and southwest corners are still fighting and feuding over whether to be in the central time zone or the eastern time zone, switching alliances like Arlen Specter and/or cheating spouses, but every state needs a bit of mud rasslin’ to keep things interesting.

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I don't remember the part where he cut my taxes

derhoosier (Diary) Thursday, November 19th at 6:36AM EST (link)

But I do remember the part where he threw his weight behind raising sales taxes to pay for a playpen for millionaires which is called Lucas Oil Stadium.

As to the 1% over 100k debacle, somehow I knew he didn’t mean it and was casting around for ways to raise some cash. I also remember instantly reacting the moment I heard about it in violent knee jerk manner. In fact I suspect that the reason I didn’t vote for the guy second time around was that his first instinct was to raise taxes. NOT a good sign. So, these two things aside, he has been a good fiscal steward for the state. Check that, a very good steward given the external circumstances.

Politically what I don’t see him doing (and freely admit, maybe he is and I’m not paying attention because not paying attention is my specialty) is laying any kind of a ground work to run off some of these absolutely dreadful lefties we have in the state legislature. If he’s a party man, I would think I would be observing that in some way.

Lately he’s compounded my overall aggravation with the constant hectoring of the media, politicians, and celebrities about one thing or another. I never watch television without benefit of the DVR so I can’t tell you precisely what he’s harassing me about, but recently I’ve seen him zip by on the screen with a blood pressure cuff on (I think it is), leaning into the camera probably telling me to go get it checked or something. I think it was a few months ago he was bugging me to get out and take a walk or something. You were elected governor– you’re not my mother! I’m not paying you to badger me about something that’s none of your bloody business so STFU!

But all that aside, there are three things that I think are show stoppers. First, as I said in a comment a few months ago, the man has the charisma of a third-rate undertaker. It’s simply not credible to think that a man with that bad a combover could be elected president. I’m not sure he could inspire me to walk down the driveway to pick up the newspaper never mind drag myself up the road to vote for him. I didn’t vote for him the second time he ran so why would I vote to promote him?

And… file this away in the Promises Waiting to Be Broken drawer … he has said numerous times that two terms as governor were the extent of his political goals.

Third and maybe most potentially disastrous– he worked for Bush in W’s first term. I don’t think it really matters that he didn’t stick around long. What matters is you can attack him with some juicy guilt by association.

One of the most interesting things to be observed in IN politics will be … Sarah Palin’s doing a book signing tonight in Noblesville, IN, a far northern Indianapolis ‘burb. What kind of crowd does she draw? How many are there? Could Mitch draw that kind of crowd anywhere in the state? Uh ….no.

Cheers, derhoosier

On NOES! He worked for BUUUUUSH?

RedBeard Thursday, November 19th at 7:33AM EST (link)

I say we string him up. [insert rolling eyes here]

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