Look for something stuffed and hidden into completely unrelated legislation on parental consent or providing abortion “counselling”. Guaranteed.

That said, I’d prefer it if all the Democrats who come from districts that definitely oppose the health care bill took their cue from Cao and represented their own constituents appropriately and voted “no”. Nothing should pass the House without the popular support of the citizenry… that’s supposed to be what the House represents, isn’t it? Since they won’t, let’s replace them ALL with Republicans, since we have some concrete evidence that they’re trying to govern the way it was intended.

To those who were applauding, Wonder if all of the gavelling threats to remove the applauders will be part of the congressional record.

The STUPID (er… Stupak) Amendment is just a strategy boondoggle Republicans stepped in out of LAZINESS and unwillingness to VOTE NO and have to go back and actually engage, explain, educate, constituents as to WHY it was all a SHAME/SHELL-GAME Vote and a NO vote the Right vote (and NOT, by any means would it have been a Pro-Abortion vote). LAZINESS.

Further…. just proves, IMO, my whole CINOs/PLINOs, and Pavlovian-Blue-Dogs contention. The Stupak Amendment just provided cover for them to vote for the POS which should never have happened, because…
1- (supposedly) Removing Abortion funding from it does NOT make the rest of the Bill ‘GOOD’ – as if the Abortion funding was/is the only ‘BAD’ thing in it!
2- Duplicity Votes – Setting up Duplicity Votes – the have it both way Game Politicians play to be able to say anything during Campaigns
3- Abortion funding WILL STILL OCCUR – Liberals/Democrats ALWAYS consider themselves ABOVE THE LAW and ignore them when convenient to their causes…
3A- The ‘Abortion funding exclusion’ will NOT survive the Conference/Consolidation ‘compromise’ process when it comes time to join in Conference/Committee the House and Senate Bills
3B- Liberal bureaucrats will still pay for ABORTIONS paying for them billed as something like a generic ‘Pregnancy Services’ term – or the like BS (as discussed in one of the Townhalls primers: here, here, here, here, here, and HC issues summary here, don’t recall off-hand which one)
3C- If they ALLOW it to survive into the Final Bill, to again provide cover for CINOs/PLINOs, and Pavlovian-Blue-Dogs Democrats (and maybe a few Republicans) to vote for it under Pro-Life grounds (and again, see #1), it will be stripped on a Saturday Late night, or reversed by language stuffed into the middle of some other Bill, otherwise removed undercover of the night, at a later date. Haven’t people learned anything?!?!? LIBERAL INCREMENTAL-ISM at its most obvious yet again!!!!

as a whole aside from the HC Bill, just about Abortion in general…
Kathy Ireland/Abortion- Kathy Ireland/Abortion- Kathy Ireland: best anti-abortion comments ever made and more on her words here. Huckabee had a former Planned Parenthood worker explain how/why she quit after being involved in a Sonigram assisted Abortion and seeing the CHILD fight for its Life during the process!

We still suffer the effects of 5-6 decades of wilderness wandering with Democrat majorities in Congress. Still, we have survived, in spite of everything.

The problem is that everything has a limit: exactly how much stupidity and sloth can a civilization endure? Given that the danger of democracy is that half of any given population is below average, and that there is always a percentage in the top 50% who can think and do extremely stupid things, one sees that the sensible minority must be more active and persuasive in times of crisis, when democracies have been proven to go awry at times, e.g. Athens in the years of the Peloponnesian War, Germany after WW I, America with the quadruple election of FDR or the 2008 results.

RedState therefore is part of the solution for the sensible minority to sharpen their thinking and to whet their desire for action.

When you stand, you stand. They should have not done anything to give the dems cover. No Stupak, nothing. They vote they stand and it is clear where they stand.

I was interested in the question the House Minority Leader Boehner asked Representative George Miller (D-CA), Chairman of the House Health and Labor Committee. Paraphrasing, Mr. Boehner asked if Mr. Miller could guarantee that the Stupak Admendment would survive the conference and of course he could not provide a guarantee. Indeed, the bill leaving the Senate will have many ‘adjustments’ to get 60 votes, but in conference there are no guarantees. So, it is here where the crucible is located and it is here where affordable, deficit/debt proof, public/private health care may or may not be forged.

I wouldn’t get my shorts all twisted over the Senate debate as the real work will be in conference.

But i am not sure I get Erick’s point. Did he want the gop members to vote against the amendment or simply not vote and why? The same concerns as mine?

good to see you BG

I really do wonder about these D.O.A. statements! The Dems will NOT let BIG BRObama fail! Let me predict that the Senate absolutely w i l l pass a Hell-th Care Bill, with or without abortion, with or without a public option.

All such things are irrelevant: what you will have is a Hell-th Care bill of some sort, with government bureaucrats ringing up trillion-dollar tax deficits to pay for their “administration” of a “service” which 2/3 to 3/4 of America d o e s n o t w a n t!

The incipient stress on the economy is already showing: businesses are firing, not hiring, because of all the uncertainty and because of the certainty that their taxes and overhead will be rising. The dollar continues to fall against gold and major currencies.

So it is quite possible, even likely, that this bill – in any form – will become our Hawley-Smoot Tariff, the straw causing complete breakage of the economy. You will then see rationing, socialist wage and price controls, and ever higher taxes on the few people producing anything.

Remember Easter Island: they did cut down all the trees, never replanted, and then had to abandon the place.

They are forcing men to pay for breast exams and women to pay for prostate exams since they tell insurance companies what plans they have to offer and taking away our right to shop options…and now…with Stupak…they end up hoisted on their own petard since the legislation bans all plans that currently offer abortion services…

I’m depressed beyond all measure that Pelosi and company shredded the last vestiges of constitutional government and the idea that there are any constraints what so ever over what the central government in Washington can do to individuals in Texas or any other state…but Stupak is a silver lining

To the Democrats, they couldn’t care less about 2010. We all know that they want long-term power. 2010 is a blip, and, therefore, a loss is a worthy price to pay, in their eyes.

To the GOP, 2010 may be end up being the most meaningless landslide in history. Numbers-wise, they could make bank across the country and be swept back into power. But what will it mean? Nothing. In reality they will have no power, and that is the whole point of passing this bill. Also, throw in the fact that Obama will finally have a big mean enemy to blame for everything (he’s been searching for it in Rush, Fox, Tea Parties, etc.), and you’ve got a powerless majority.