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	<title>Comments on: GOP Establishment AWOL On Doug Hoffman</title>
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		<title>By: yabadabadoing</title>
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		<dc:creator>yabadabadoing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders who the RNC is supporting with their efforts, or lack there of ?</description>
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		<title>By: shadowtax</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadowtax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  OK then the blame for nominating Dede falls with the local GOP that selected her under NY law.

2.  ...conservatives sure love to hate the GOP.  It&#039;s a complicated relationship.  

3.  No cite, just general principle.  When someone donates to the RNC there is an understanding that the funds should support the Republican party.   It is reasonable that there might be a prohibition either by regulation or party rule against the use of those funds to support a candidate from another party in a race where there is a lawfully selected Republican candidate.    Vocal opposition by conservatives to the RNC, NRCC, and NRSC over the past few cycles had not dissuaded remaining donors who continue to trust the party.   Now, the trust of even these donors is failing.    Exactly what conservatives want to happen.  

4.  You contend that the RNC can fill the buses and phone banks.   My point is they need conservative volunteers to do that.    Unless of course they start handing out street money or form press gangs, the RNC won&#039;t be filling any buses because conservatives do not want to get on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  OK then the blame for nominating Dede falls with the local GOP that selected her under NY law.</p>
<p>2.  &#8230;conservatives sure love to hate the GOP.  It&#8217;s a complicated relationship.  </p>
<p>3.  No cite, just general principle.  When someone donates to the RNC there is an understanding that the funds should support the Republican party.   It is reasonable that there might be a prohibition either by regulation or party rule against the use of those funds to support a candidate from another party in a race where there is a lawfully selected Republican candidate.    Vocal opposition by conservatives to the RNC, NRCC, and NRSC over the past few cycles had not dissuaded remaining donors who continue to trust the party.   Now, the trust of even these donors is failing.    Exactly what conservatives want to happen.  </p>
<p>4.  You contend that the RNC can fill the buses and phone banks.   My point is they need conservative volunteers to do that.    Unless of course they start handing out street money or form press gangs, the RNC won&#8217;t be filling any buses because conservatives do not want to get on them.</p>
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		<title>By: nycenterright</title>
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		<dc:creator>nycenterright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But with a close gubernatorial race in New Jersey (13 congressional districts), seems like $900k would be better spent there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But with a close gubernatorial race in New Jersey (13 congressional districts), seems like $900k would be better spent there.</p>
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		<title>By: Streiff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/03/gop-establishment-awol-on-doug-hoffman/comment-page-1/#comment-39744</link>
		<dc:creator>Streiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>predicting something like that, however, is nothing more that bloviating. Even the delegations can&#039;t predict that kind of thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>predicting something like that, however, is nothing more that bloviating. Even the delegations can&#8217;t predict that kind of thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Xasteius</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/03/gop-establishment-awol-on-doug-hoffman/comment-page-1/#comment-39743</link>
		<dc:creator>Xasteius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10 people fills up about one side of the room.  So let&#039;s say half the room is filled.  Now considering there are 3 (4 if you count Harmer) big races going on, shouldn&#039;t the room be filled to capacity?

I&#039;m not an expert in phone banks, and maybe the individual campaign had more help than they needed, =but it doesn&#039;t make sense to me that the national organization isn&#039;t all in for their own team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 people fills up about one side of the room.  So let&#8217;s say half the room is filled.  Now considering there are 3 (4 if you count Harmer) big races going on, shouldn&#8217;t the room be filled to capacity?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an expert in phone banks, and maybe the individual campaign had more help than they needed, =but it doesn&#8217;t make sense to me that the national organization isn&#8217;t all in for their own team.</p>
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		<title>By: nycenterright</title>
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		<dc:creator>nycenterright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rod_Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod_Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rod_Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod_Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go, Streiff, Go!</description>
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		<title>By: Streiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that Hoffman won&#039;t be able to win NY 23 next November? Pardon me if I find that opinion to be both exotic and counterhistorical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that Hoffman won&#8217;t be able to win NY 23 next November? Pardon me if I find that opinion to be both exotic and counterhistorical.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod_Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod_Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;4. The victories will have been achieved despite the RNC’s efforts, why should it get credit?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

RNC will claim  the credit internally (in R/C crowds.)  Hmm .... they need to replenish the US$900K, a sunk cost and they&#039;ve learned that extremist conservatives are generous in giving to conservatives llike Doug.

But that&#039;s internal intelligence.   

They external memo is different.    RNC and NRCC welcomes moderates to their party. 

[And why not?  They are also moderates.  The won&#039;t expel themselves from  their own party, will they?]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>4. The victories will have been achieved despite the RNC’s efforts, why should it get credit?</p></blockquote>
<p>RNC will claim  the credit internally (in R/C crowds.)  Hmm &#8230;. they need to replenish the US$900K, a sunk cost and they&#8217;ve learned that extremist conservatives are generous in giving to conservatives llike Doug.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s internal intelligence.   </p>
<p>They external memo is different.    RNC and NRCC welcomes moderates to their party. </p>
<p>[And why not?  They are also moderates.  The won't expel themselves from  their own party, will they?]</p>
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		<title>By: Jack_Savage</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/03/gop-establishment-awol-on-doug-hoffman/comment-page-1/#comment-39733</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack_Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valid argument. I thought that the point was that the RNC was *responding* to the attacks by not recruiting volunteers, which I understood to be Erick&#039;s inital argument.

Back to calling all my friends in VA and NJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valid argument. I thought that the point was that the RNC was *responding* to the attacks by not recruiting volunteers, which I understood to be Erick&#8217;s inital argument.</p>
<p>Back to calling all my friends in VA and NJ.</p>
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		<title>By: CincoSolas_del_Bronx</title>
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		<dc:creator>CincoSolas_del_Bronx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Streiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. bullcrap, beyond the point that the RNC has never entered a primary for any reason than to prop up a liberal, no one in the GOP should want the party involved before the candidate is chosen. 

2. So without conservatives there is no GOP but...

3. Got a cite for that statement?

4. Well, yes there is. They could have the phone banks filled and filling busses with volunteers. The fact that there are critical elections in NY, NJ, VA, and an important one in CA and there are tumbleweeds blowing under the McCain posters in the RNC phonebanks tells you all you need to know about that organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. bullcrap, beyond the point that the RNC has never entered a primary for any reason than to prop up a liberal, no one in the GOP should want the party involved before the candidate is chosen. </p>
<p>2. So without conservatives there is no GOP but&#8230;</p>
<p>3. Got a cite for that statement?</p>
<p>4. Well, yes there is. They could have the phone banks filled and filling busses with volunteers. The fact that there are critical elections in NY, NJ, VA, and an important one in CA and there are tumbleweeds blowing under the McCain posters in the RNC phonebanks tells you all you need to know about that organization.</p>
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		<title>By: nessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>nessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And even then its not going to endear you to me in any fashion.  Unless they were going to run till 3 am and tell everyone they were calling for Owens...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And even then its not going to endear you to me in any fashion.  Unless they were going to run till 3 am and tell everyone they were calling for Owens&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nycenterright</title>
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		<dc:creator>nycenterright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that conservatives, the ones who usually man the phonebanks and stuff the envelopes, have responded to the RNC&#039;s decision to support Dede Scozzafava by not volunteering at the RNC headquarters.  It is completely fair to whack the RNC for not seeing this coming, but not particularly fair to claim that the organization is not putting in an effort because there are no volunteers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that conservatives, the ones who usually man the phonebanks and stuff the envelopes, have responded to the RNC&#8217;s decision to support Dede Scozzafava by not volunteering at the RNC headquarters.  It is completely fair to whack the RNC for not seeing this coming, but not particularly fair to claim that the organization is not putting in an effort because there are no volunteers.</p>
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		<title>By: shadowtax</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadowtax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The attacks have been successful.   Conservative activists know that the RNC made a big mistake.   They are angry.   They find other ways to help GOP candidates than visit the RNC phone bank.

I am not so much bothered or suprised by this.   I am bothered that folks are not recognizing this as a consequence of conservative attacks against the RNC because idle phones are undesirable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The attacks have been successful.   Conservative activists know that the RNC made a big mistake.   They are angry.   They find other ways to help GOP candidates than visit the RNC phone bank.</p>
<p>I am not so much bothered or suprised by this.   I am bothered that folks are not recognizing this as a consequence of conservative attacks against the RNC because idle phones are undesirable.</p>
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		<title>By: nycenterright</title>
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		<dc:creator>nycenterright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad they&#039;re not spending nine hundred thousand dollars to elect someone who would probably serve only one term and would have no real influence on national politics, while there are two governors races (one of which is very close) in large states with redistricting happening simultaneously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad they&#8217;re not spending nine hundred thousand dollars to elect someone who would probably serve only one term and would have no real influence on national politics, while there are two governors races (one of which is very close) in large states with redistricting happening simultaneously.</p>
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		<title>By: shadowtax</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadowtax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.   I think the RNC got into the trouble that it is in precisely because it did not interfere in the primary.   This is one of the issues that has bothered me during this NY-23 campaign.   Conservatives want the RNC to interfere with the local party when it helps the conservative like Hoffman, but want the RNC and NRSC to stay away when they back Crist over Rubio in a primary.

2.  I do not believe that &quot;moderatism&quot; leads to activists.   The activists in the GOP are conservatives.

3.  Well I&#039;m not sure it is even legal for a GOP organization to give cash to a different party, at least before Dede dropped out.   The mistake was giving resources to a bad candidate, not giving the resources to the wrong candidate.

4.  I am not saying that the RNC should get credit for anything.   My point is that there is nothing the RNC can do at this point that will satisfy many critics.  The strongest evidence of this are the vocal calls for leadership changes before the election even takes place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.   I think the RNC got into the trouble that it is in precisely because it did not interfere in the primary.   This is one of the issues that has bothered me during this NY-23 campaign.   Conservatives want the RNC to interfere with the local party when it helps the conservative like Hoffman, but want the RNC and NRSC to stay away when they back Crist over Rubio in a primary.</p>
<p>2.  I do not believe that &#8220;moderatism&#8221; leads to activists.   The activists in the GOP are conservatives.</p>
<p>3.  Well I&#8217;m not sure it is even legal for a GOP organization to give cash to a different party, at least before Dede dropped out.   The mistake was giving resources to a bad candidate, not giving the resources to the wrong candidate.</p>
<p>4.  I am not saying that the RNC should get credit for anything.   My point is that there is nothing the RNC can do at this point that will satisfy many critics.  The strongest evidence of this are the vocal calls for leadership changes before the election even takes place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack_Savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack_Savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;More specifically, the attacks against the RNC for their support of Dede Scozzafava have been effective. As a consequence the RNC phone banks sit idle and those resources are not put to use to help Christie, Harmer, and McDonnell.&quot;

If this is true, then we have bigger problems at the RNC than we can possibly imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;More specifically, the attacks against the RNC for their support of Dede Scozzafava have been effective. As a consequence the RNC phone banks sit idle and those resources are not put to use to help Christie, Harmer, and McDonnell.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this is true, then we have bigger problems at the RNC than we can possibly imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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