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	<title>Comments on: NRCC Officials Feeling Very Threatened By Hoffman</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Dugas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Dugas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cuz the way thing are going we&#039;ve got all the time in the world to play games with Seats.  
How about we get a real conservative in the seat and let the district have a year to see what that&#039;s like?
Dede shouldn&#039;t be handed a year to further damage the party&#039;s image
and vote for crappy legislation we don&#039;t want.
Whats a year right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cuz the way thing are going we&#8217;ve got all the time in the world to play games with Seats.<br />
How about we get a real conservative in the seat and let the district have a year to see what that&#8217;s like?<br />
Dede shouldn&#8217;t be handed a year to further damage the party&#8217;s image<br />
and vote for crappy legislation we don&#8217;t want.<br />
Whats a year right.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dugas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Dugas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>n/t needed</description>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/25/nrcc-officials-feeling-very-threatened-by-hoffman/comment-page-1/#comment-37828</link>
		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;m saying is a hypothetical because I don&#039;t think she&#039;ll win...but were she to win by some mircle...and Hoffman were to run against her in the primary...we&#039;d be preached at that we simply can&#039;t throw Dede over the side...because she&#039;s the incumbent.

It&#039;s the predictability of the arguments that drives me nuts...It&#039;s the cycle of rotating arguments...during the 08 elections when we were all complaining how bad McCain sucked and beating up on the liberal choices we were stuck with in the House and Senate...we were told that wasn&#039;t the time...we had to hold fire till the primaries...now it&#039;s...we need unity and we need to support who can win...and we don&#039;t gain anything by attacking fellow Republicans...in 10 we&#039;ll be circling the wagons around the liberal incumbents...

anything to prevent changeing the losing dynamic in any way is what rules the day with these ass clowns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m saying is a hypothetical because I don&#8217;t think she&#8217;ll win&#8230;but were she to win by some mircle&#8230;and Hoffman were to run against her in the primary&#8230;we&#8217;d be preached at that we simply can&#8217;t throw Dede over the side&#8230;because she&#8217;s the incumbent.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the predictability of the arguments that drives me nuts&#8230;It&#8217;s the cycle of rotating arguments&#8230;during the 08 elections when we were all complaining how bad McCain sucked and beating up on the liberal choices we were stuck with in the House and Senate&#8230;we were told that wasn&#8217;t the time&#8230;we had to hold fire till the primaries&#8230;now it&#8217;s&#8230;we need unity and we need to support who can win&#8230;and we don&#8217;t gain anything by attacking fellow Republicans&#8230;in 10 we&#8217;ll be circling the wagons around the liberal incumbents&#8230;</p>
<p>anything to prevent changeing the losing dynamic in any way is what rules the day with these ass clowns.</p>
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		<title>By: illinoisconservative</title>
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		<dc:creator>illinoisconservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and makes a world of difference knowing she was not elected by the Republicans of NY-23!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and makes a world of difference knowing she was not elected by the Republicans of NY-23!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ColdWarrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColdWarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blank out.

It ONLY happens if the precinct committeemen in the county vote the chairman out in the next internal party election.

How does that happen?  

ONLY if conservatives become precinct committeemen in those counties.  NOW.

It&#039;s a pure numbers game.  

Our GOP is in &quot;moderate land&quot; because so many conservatives are spending all their times in the bleachers telling everyone how things ought to be instead of being on the playing field of party politics actually engaged in the real nuts and bolts of party politics as precinct committeemen.

Those are the facts.

Conservative?  Want a more conservative Republican Party.  Then do something about it.  Something that matters.  Something real.  Spend a few hours and educate yourself about how party politics work.  You can&#039;t vote for Party leaders unless you&#039;re a precinct committeeman.  Every state has different rules.  Do you know yours?

Go here to learn more:  www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

Thank you.
ColdWarrior
www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blank out.</p>
<p>It ONLY happens if the precinct committeemen in the county vote the chairman out in the next internal party election.</p>
<p>How does that happen?  </p>
<p>ONLY if conservatives become precinct committeemen in those counties.  NOW.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pure numbers game.  </p>
<p>Our GOP is in &#8220;moderate land&#8221; because so many conservatives are spending all their times in the bleachers telling everyone how things ought to be instead of being on the playing field of party politics actually engaged in the real nuts and bolts of party politics as precinct committeemen.</p>
<p>Those are the facts.</p>
<p>Conservative?  Want a more conservative Republican Party.  Then do something about it.  Something that matters.  Something real.  Spend a few hours and educate yourself about how party politics work.  You can&#8217;t vote for Party leaders unless you&#8217;re a precinct committeeman.  Every state has different rules.  Do you know yours?</p>
<p>Go here to learn more:  www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com</p>
<p>Thank you.<br />
ColdWarrior<br />
www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com</p>
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		<title>By: DavidS1787</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidS1787</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>n/t</description>
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		<title>By: andysmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>andysmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why CAN&#039;T they give money to both Hoffman and Dede.  I know it would look like they were hedging their bets, but at the same time it would be a good faith gesture that they&#039;re not throwing conservatives under the bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why CAN&#8217;T they give money to both Hoffman and Dede.  I know it would look like they were hedging their bets, but at the same time it would be a good faith gesture that they&#8217;re not throwing conservatives under the bus.</p>
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		<title>By: DaMav</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaMav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 04:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very well done!</description>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
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		<dc:creator>bs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when one dumba** makes a mistake.  Maybe the peer pressure will cause the idiots to straighten up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when one dumba** makes a mistake.  Maybe the peer pressure will cause the idiots to straighten up.</p>
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		<title>By: ColdWarrior</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/25/nrcc-officials-feeling-very-threatened-by-hoffman/comment-page-1/#comment-37754</link>
		<dc:creator>ColdWarrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not quite.  It was only the registered Republicans in NY-23 who happen to also taken the next step, and got elected to the position of precinct committeeman, who were allowed to have a say in who got the nod, along with the elected GOP county chairmen (there are 11) got to then vote based on how their precinct committen voted.  In some counties they had actual meetings -- if you showed up, you got to vote.  In others, telephone polls were taken and . . . were those results in any way impartially verified?  No.   

(By the way, have you ever voted for your county GOP chairman, for example?  If you&#039;re a PC, you may have, if you bothered to go to the county GOP convention.  If you&#039;re not a PC, then you didn&#039;t get to vote for your county GOP chairman.)

You really ought to take the time to read Michael Leahy&#039;s original reporting on this over at tcotReport.com.  It&#039;s short and to the point and a real eye-opener:

http://www.tcotreport.com/23ny1.html

Bottom line:  there are not, apparently enough conservatives in the 11 counties that comprise NY-23 who are &quot;active&quot; enough to bother themselves with becoming elected precinct committeemen.  So, they got outvoted.  There&#039;s no reason to believe that, like the national average, fully HALF the existing PC slots in NY-23 are unfilled.  

Conservative?  Want a more conservative GOP?  More conservative GOP leadership?  More conservative GOP candidates getting endorsements in the GOP primary contests?  Then join it as a precinct committeeman and help create a conservative majority in the voting ranks of the Party.  That&#039;s what matters.  We can accomplish this if you and every other conservative you know who&#039;s not yet a precinct committeeman will DO this.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior
www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite.  It was only the registered Republicans in NY-23 who happen to also taken the next step, and got elected to the position of precinct committeeman, who were allowed to have a say in who got the nod, along with the elected GOP county chairmen (there are 11) got to then vote based on how their precinct committen voted.  In some counties they had actual meetings &#8212; if you showed up, you got to vote.  In others, telephone polls were taken and . . . were those results in any way impartially verified?  No.   </p>
<p>(By the way, have you ever voted for your county GOP chairman, for example?  If you&#8217;re a PC, you may have, if you bothered to go to the county GOP convention.  If you&#8217;re not a PC, then you didn&#8217;t get to vote for your county GOP chairman.)</p>
<p>You really ought to take the time to read Michael Leahy&#8217;s original reporting on this over at tcotReport.com.  It&#8217;s short and to the point and a real eye-opener:</p>
<p>http://www.tcotreport.com/23ny1.html</p>
<p>Bottom line:  there are not, apparently enough conservatives in the 11 counties that comprise NY-23 who are &#8220;active&#8221; enough to bother themselves with becoming elected precinct committeemen.  So, they got outvoted.  There&#8217;s no reason to believe that, like the national average, fully HALF the existing PC slots in NY-23 are unfilled.  </p>
<p>Conservative?  Want a more conservative GOP?  More conservative GOP leadership?  More conservative GOP candidates getting endorsements in the GOP primary contests?  Then join it as a precinct committeeman and help create a conservative majority in the voting ranks of the Party.  That&#8217;s what matters.  We can accomplish this if you and every other conservative you know who&#8217;s not yet a precinct committeeman will DO this.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>ColdWarrior<br />
www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com</p>
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		<title>By: rcov092</title>
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		<dc:creator>rcov092</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I will donate in his name to the Alzheimers Research Foundation... He has surely been unable to remember 1980, or 1994 for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I will donate in his name to the Alzheimers Research Foundation&#8230; He has surely been unable to remember 1980, or 1994 for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: rcov092</title>
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		<dc:creator>rcov092</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you engage yourself at the local level and take back the Party  from the precinct on up.

Become a GOP Precinct Committeeman.  Start the insurrection from the bottom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you engage yourself at the local level and take back the Party  from the precinct on up.</p>
<p>Become a GOP Precinct Committeeman.  Start the insurrection from the bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: rcov092</title>
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		<dc:creator>rcov092</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am supporting the candidates that reflect the best that the GOp has to offer:

Michelle Bachman
Marco Rubio
Michael Williams
Sarah Palin PAC
Jim DeMints PAC

all the pretenders should save their money an dpostage and skip trying to get my money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am supporting the candidates that reflect the best that the GOp has to offer:</p>
<p>Michelle Bachman<br />
Marco Rubio<br />
Michael Williams<br />
Sarah Palin PAC<br />
Jim DeMints PAC</p>
<p>all the pretenders should save their money an dpostage and skip trying to get my money.</p>
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		<title>By: rcov092</title>
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		<dc:creator>rcov092</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one irrefutable fact:

Figures lie and liars figure.

You and your ilk are the worst of everything that plagues the Republican Party.  Your only goal is the self-aggrandizement of you and your ilk, not the nurturing of bold, exceptional premises based on individual freedom and exceptionalism. 

I was afraid that Steele would continue this allow this cancer  to metastasize and apparently he has.  It is no wonder since he allies himself with the likes of Jim Greer et. al.

WE WILL RID OUR PARTY OF YOUR SCOURGE, COUNT ON IT.  MICHAEL STEELE, PETE SESSIONS, JOHN CORNYN TAKE NOTE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one irrefutable fact:</p>
<p>Figures lie and liars figure.</p>
<p>You and your ilk are the worst of everything that plagues the Republican Party.  Your only goal is the self-aggrandizement of you and your ilk, not the nurturing of bold, exceptional premises based on individual freedom and exceptionalism. </p>
<p>I was afraid that Steele would continue this allow this cancer  to metastasize and apparently he has.  It is no wonder since he allies himself with the likes of Jim Greer et. al.</p>
<p>WE WILL RID OUR PARTY OF YOUR SCOURGE, COUNT ON IT.  MICHAEL STEELE, PETE SESSIONS, JOHN CORNYN TAKE NOTE.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ace

Well all you have to do is wait a year to find out if the NE and specifically NY 23 want the same sort of conservative that you do, actually less than a year. There will be a primary for the seat and the Republican voters of the district will have their say. I don&#039;t know the area so I don&#039;t have a clue who Republicans in NY 23 will vote for in a real primary, but it will be interesting to check back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ace</p>
<p>Well all you have to do is wait a year to find out if the NE and specifically NY 23 want the same sort of conservative that you do, actually less than a year. There will be a primary for the seat and the Republican voters of the district will have their say. I don&#8217;t know the area so I don&#8217;t have a clue who Republicans in NY 23 will vote for in a real primary, but it will be interesting to check back.</p>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but I also know what&#039;s driving them now....it&#039;s obvious to me they can&#039;t possibly admit their error and walk away to let us have the victory...they now have to go on a scorched earth crusade to make sure nothing happens to screw with their carefully crafted mem that a Conservative can&#039;t win in NE...

If they were serious about winning...they&#039;d attack the Dem and let the voters decide between Sumbagfava or Hoffman...but they would rather poison the well...and make sure nothing Republican grows in the area than act like adults...attack our common enemy...and let the chips fall where they may.

Th irony here is that the establishment is engaging in the same behavior they&#039;ve been beating conservatives up for engaging in...when we&#039;ve never done anythig as asnine as this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but I also know what&#8217;s driving them now&#8230;.it&#8217;s obvious to me they can&#8217;t possibly admit their error and walk away to let us have the victory&#8230;they now have to go on a scorched earth crusade to make sure nothing happens to screw with their carefully crafted mem that a Conservative can&#8217;t win in NE&#8230;</p>
<p>If they were serious about winning&#8230;they&#8217;d attack the Dem and let the voters decide between Sumbagfava or Hoffman&#8230;but they would rather poison the well&#8230;and make sure nothing Republican grows in the area than act like adults&#8230;attack our common enemy&#8230;and let the chips fall where they may.</p>
<p>Th irony here is that the establishment is engaging in the same behavior they&#8217;ve been beating conservatives up for engaging in&#8230;when we&#8217;ve never done anythig as asnine as this</p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
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		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>clean the crap out of all of them.  Breakfast of champions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>clean the crap out of all of them.  Breakfast of champions.</p>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
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		<dc:creator>bs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>STFU.</description>
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		<title>By: AceInTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>AceInTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who could give a hoot in hell about the base or what it thinks...The was a pretty good post about how John Sydney, (we have to get special interest money out of politics) McCain is connecting lefty Republicrats up with his big money donor list putting the lie to his supposed high minded support for Campaign Finance Reform:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=147CC1BF-18FE-70B2-A8227CB7ABBB6E35&quot;&gt;John McCain&#039;s mission: A GOP makeover&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who could give a hoot in hell about the base or what it thinks&#8230;The was a pretty good post about how John Sydney, (we have to get special interest money out of politics) McCain is connecting lefty Republicrats up with his big money donor list putting the lie to his supposed high minded support for Campaign Finance Reform:</p>
<p><a href="http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=147CC1BF-18FE-70B2-A8227CB7ABBB6E35">John McCain&#8217;s mission: A GOP makeover</a></p>
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