Thank you.

ColdWarrior

www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

Thanks,

ColdWarrior
www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com

I don’t think we have to worry about a “destructive conservative schism.” The liberals in our party are the ones causing this, let them reap the “rewards” of that.

However, all rules do have their exceptional circumstances, and several are operating here, and randy streu and others have been pointing out since the start of this election cycle.

In brief, party leaders picked the most liberal candidate in a district that is rather conservative on no discernable grounds other than a bizarre belief that running to the left of the Democrat is a winning path.

True, this is the prescribed procedure, but since leaders are representatives, not monarchs, when they go against their constituency, the constituency has the right to take back power.

In addition, New York is a state where a 3rd party (the Conservative Party) is a viable safety valve when the Republican Party leaders go off the rails, as they have here. So we’re not talking a futile protest vote, but a genuine possiblity to win.

Randy and other can fill you in on details since they are locals, but to sum, the old saying is true here, that this is the exception that proves the rule.

First, Hoffman’s campaign is built around the idea that there is ONE actual Republican (and CPNY, etc. use the word “Republican” here, not “Conservative”) in this race, and that it ain’t Dede. That alone says something about his intentions.

Second, Hoffman already is a Republican. He’s running on the CPNY ticket, but his affiliation already is as a Republican.

Third, if Hoffman wins, he’ll want to be able to count on the local and national parties for fundraising and support to keep the seat. Neither he nor the CPNY, if he manages to pull this off, has the resources to do battle against TWO major opponants, esp. if he doesn’t have to.

So all that said, it simply stands to reason that, if Hoffman wins in NY23, he’ll be a REPUBLICAN Congressman.

Again, I see this as a no-win scenario. I want damage control and containment.

I did know that Hoffman has stated that he will caucus with the Republicans. Where did you learn that he will switch to GOP? Has there been a definitive statement or a non-answer like Scozzafava’s spokesman?

I am grateful that you acknowlege that there is a schism. I hope that it mends, but in the course of a campaign grudges are born. Politics is a nasty business, especiially local politics.

It’d be different if there were even the slightest evidence that she ws the best candidate out of the field she was chosen from…but she was/is not…there in lies the rub…you have a few party bosses deciding they know better than everyone else…and shoving an unacceptable candidate down Republican voter’s throats. The NRCC was dealt a bad hand by the NYGOP…and they’re doing the best they can in a bad situation…but Sessions…and Gingrich’s comments are absurd on their faces and I see no reason not to call them on it

Likelihood: Hoffman will switch party affiliation TO REPUBLICAN on election in order to run the next as the Republican candidate.

A conservative victory likely leads to destructive conservative schism. The Conservative Party will claim it is independent and will fight with the GOP. The GOP will remain more liberal. The conservative feud will benefit the liberals.

The best path to power for conservative principle is through the GOP.

The Republican Party in New York picked a very bad candidate in Dede Scozzofava. By rule, the selection process was not a primary. The fact remains that she is the Republican candidate. Some members of the Republican party support her. Many do not.

I am saying that her Republican supporters should not be maligned for supporting the lawfully selected GOP candidate.

I believe in solid conservative principles. I also believe in fair process. Sometimes my ideas and my candidates lose. If it is because of a bad process, then that process should be changed. But I do not like to see conservatives flip-flopping on procedural fairness. I want consistency even if sometimes that puts the conservative at the disadvantage.

On another thread I addressed the subject of local party autonomy. Should the National GOP be involved in candidate selection in cases like these? If so when? I recall reading many posts complaining about the NRSC meddling in primaries by endorsing Crist. Should the NRCC have meddled in the NY-23 nomination? Rather than constructive discussion about party-building, I am reading destructive personal political attacks.

The bottom line is that when a candidate loses the GOP nomination, he should not expect GOP support or even GOP neutrality. That is asking a party to go against its very nature. A party exists to help nominees win elections.

One may achieve freedom by divorcing a spouse for serial adultery, but only a fool expects future Christmas gifts from the in-laws.

Challenge members to come up with an explanation for what the modern day Republican Party represents and what she stands for.

When you decide to help liberals win you don’t get my dollars, simple as that.

To reset, let’s start by your telling us, what distinguishes a Republican from a Democrat other than the party letter next to their name? And what distinctives would lead a voter to prefer a Republican in office over a Democrat? Or why should a voter pick a “me too” candidate over a candidate whose party has backed their positions for decades?

“Meet the new boss same as the old boss” isn’t going to work any longer in the present regime.