As I said in my previous post, the Democrat in NY-23 has a greater likelihood of voting with the GOP than Dede Scozzafava.
Now The Weekly Standard is reporting that when asked about switching to the Democrats upon election, the Scozzafava campaign was less than reassuring for the GOP.
Will Dede Scozzafava, the liberal Republican running in the November 3 special election for Army Secretary John McHugh’s open upstate New York seat, stay in the Republican party in the (unlikely) event that she wins? Would she run in 2010 as a Republican—facing what would likely be a tough primary? Or would she pull as Specter?
Her spokesman Matthew Burns won’t say. Asked via email if Scozzafava would commit to running in a Republican primary in 2010, Burns replied last night, “Dede is focused on the election that is Nov. 3.”
He wrote that Scozzafava currently “is a vote for Rep. Boehner” to be speaker of the House.
So definitive. Oh, and Dede, should she win, is going to be primaried in a Republican Primary where actual Republicans get to vote for their candidate instead of an anointing by party chairs.
Just brilliant.
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BUT SHE CAN WIN!
Third Street (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 2:12PM EST (link)None of this matters because Scozzafava can win! I know because somebody told me so!
After this race is done we’ve got to get to work putting together an Obama/Scozzafava fusion ticket for 2012! He can win too!
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”
All the more reason to support Hoffman... nt
Tom Anderson (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 2:26PM EST (link)“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
- Edmund Burke
Erick...you need to check this out....I'm serious...Watching the NRCC and the rest of the Republican Establishment on this...
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 2:38PM EST (link)is like watching one of those little cars riding into one of the rings at the circus and seeing 12 little clowns piling out and chasing each other around with rubber clubs….
This would be the purist hilarity if it weren’t so tragically stupid!
And here is Newt Gingrich and NRCC Chief Sessions in all their shining brilliance on the NY-23 race
Gingrich
Rep. Pete Sessions, chairman of the NRCC,
I once held Gingrich in high rgard…it really stings that he is beclowning himself with the likes of Al Sharpton, Nancy Pelosi…and now Scozzafava!
Mr. Sessions carefully evades defining what are the "best ideas" Scozzafava has
civil truth (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 2:55PM EST (link)Once again fitting that definition of the fanatic as one who having lost sight of the objective redoubles the effort.
Or perhaps just simple pride in not wanting to admit he’s blown it, like Obama and Hillary regarding Honduras.
When Mr. Sessions next writes about the Republican Party new ideas, he’ll just being inviting some rather pointed questions about Scozzafava’s “best ideas”.
Nice job of shooting yourself in the brain, there.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
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LOL...good point...to me that wasn't the most important quote...
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 2:58PM EST (link)I meant to put it in bold:
Do we have any potential replacements for Mr. Sessions in the next election?
Xasteius (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 3:03PM EST (link)We need to retire these fools ASAP.
Don’t leave the party, hijack it back!
The only poll that counts is the one at the ballot box.
I don’t want to be Reagan. I want to be a Chance/Soros hybrid.
I thought he'd be a good replacement for Tom Cole who held the job in 08
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 3:13PM EST (link)now I’m not so sure…
To be fair…Sessions had her thrust upon him since it was the NYGOP that hand picked Scozzafava…but to make the statement he did in my post is just about as dumb as anything I’ve heard a Republican say…EVER!!!
“[Mr. Hoffman] just did not show as well? my question is this…since there was never a choice made by the Republican electorate…Hoffman didn’t show as well with whom?
We're STILL the stooopid party...
Darin_H (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 2:45PM EST (link)by a country mile.
A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls
Standard speculation.
shadowtax (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 2:47PM EST (link)Noting that the highlighted “currently” is before the quotation starts, it reads to me like the spokesman did not say anything, It doesn’t prove anything.
Scozzafava is a few weeks away from losing a three way race. Her stance makes sense. She is trying to win votes from the center and left of the electorate. It makes sense for her to dodge that question.
The irony is rich. Here you suggest that Republican voters should vote for the non-Republican who is more conservative. To defeat party loyalty resistance, you present speculative evidence questioning the loyalty of the Republican to her party.
So it is acceptable to party jump to the right, but not to the left?
In a word, yes. nt
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 2:53PM EST (link)“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Interesting
shadowtax (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 3:02PM EST (link)So we make the liberals and moderates swear loyalty oaths while allowing the conservatives to come and go at will. No wonder the establishment GOP is in the mess that it is in….
Why don't you watch a "Roadrunner" cartoon
civil truth (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 3:10PM EST (link)…and then check under your feet.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
ROFL...nt
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 3:15PM EST (link)Enlighten me.
shadowtax (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 3:31PM EST (link)What’s your point?
Nothing's there - you've lost the ground under your argument
civil truth (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 3:45PM EST (link)Or to use another analogy, you’ve gone so far out on a limb that there’s no way back.
To reset, let’s start by your telling us, what distinguishes a Republican from a Democrat other than the party letter next to their name? And what distinctives would lead a voter to prefer a Republican in office over a Democrat? Or why should a voter pick a “me too” candidate over a candidate whose party has backed their positions for decades?
“Meet the new boss same as the old boss” isn’t going to work any longer in the present regime.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
Outstanding Question...this is a question that should be made into a Diary
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 4:18PM EST (link)what distinguishes a Republican from a Democrat other than the party letter next to their name?
Challenge members to come up with an explanation for what the modern day Republican Party represents and what she stands for.
Stubborn facts.
shadowtax (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 5:04PM EST (link)The Republican candidate is supported by the Republican Party.
The Democrat cadidate is supported by the Democratic Party.
Each party has rules for nominating candidates for office.
The party label has legal significance for balloting purposes. It also has implications for fundraising because of the brand name.
The Republican Party in New York picked a very bad candidate in Dede Scozzofava. By rule, the selection process was not a primary. The fact remains that she is the Republican candidate. Some members of the Republican party support her. Many do not.
I am saying that her Republican supporters should not be maligned for supporting the lawfully selected GOP candidate.
I believe in solid conservative principles. I also believe in fair process. Sometimes my ideas and my candidates lose. If it is because of a bad process, then that process should be changed. But I do not like to see conservatives flip-flopping on procedural fairness. I want consistency even if sometimes that puts the conservative at the disadvantage.
On another thread I addressed the subject of local party autonomy. Should the National GOP be involved in candidate selection in cases like these? If so when? I recall reading many posts complaining about the NRSC meddling in primaries by endorsing Crist. Should the NRCC have meddled in the NY-23 nomination? Rather than constructive discussion about party-building, I am reading destructive personal political attacks.
The bottom line is that when a candidate loses the GOP nomination, he should not expect GOP support or even GOP neutrality. That is asking a party to go against its very nature. A party exists to help nominees win elections.
One may achieve freedom by divorcing a spouse for serial adultery, but only a fool expects future Christmas gifts from the in-laws.
Again...the NYGOP decided on Scazzofava
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 5:39PM EST (link)there was no input from the party outside the establishment party hacks who selected her…she is not supported by the voters of the party…only the bosses….why that’s so hard to understand is beyond me…
It’d be different if there were even the slightest evidence that she ws the best candidate out of the field she was chosen from…but she was/is not…there in lies the rub…you have a few party bosses deciding they know better than everyone else…and shoving an unacceptable candidate down Republican voter’s throats. The NRCC was dealt a bad hand by the NYGOP…and they’re doing the best they can in a bad situation…but Sessions…and Gingrich’s comments are absurd on their faces and I see no reason not to call them on it
I understand.
shadowtax (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 5:53PM EST (link)Even if you don’t believe me.
Again, I see this as a no-win scenario. I want damage control and containment.
NY-23 is an outlier
civil truth (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 6:32PM EST (link)Your procedural concerns are quite legitimate and in general are in accord with the positions held by most RedStaters. The moderators/directors throughout the last election cycle argued against 3rd party actions – and this is a Republican site.
However, all rules do have their exceptional circumstances, and several are operating here, and randy streu and others have been pointing out since the start of this election cycle.
In brief, party leaders picked the most liberal candidate in a district that is rather conservative on no discernable grounds other than a bizarre belief that running to the left of the Democrat is a winning path.
True, this is the prescribed procedure, but since leaders are representatives, not monarchs, when they go against their constituency, the constituency has the right to take back power.
In addition, New York is a state where a 3rd party (the Conservative Party) is a viable safety valve when the Republican Party leaders go off the rails, as they have here. So we’re not talking a futile protest vote, but a genuine possiblity to win.
Randy and other can fill you in on details since they are locals, but to sum, the old saying is true here, that this is the exception that proves the rule.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
http://www.gmsplace.com/
Dunno if I can add anything.
randy streu (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 6:42PM EST (link)you’ve summed this up nicely.
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How about..."We're showing the same level of loyalty Liberal and Moderate Republicans are showing to us"
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 3:21PM EST (link)and in this case…Republican voters weren’t given a choice…Scozzafava was hand picked by the NYGOP….and she was the most liberal of the 4 or more candidates that were interested in running…there was no vote…it was an appointment by arrogant LIBERAL REPUBLICAN elitists!
That's right.
shadowtax (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 3:44PM EST (link)The NY GOP is in bad shape. It will not be fixed in this special election.
We are faced with a no-win scenario. There are 3 possible winners: a Dem, a liberal GOPer, or a non-GOP conservative.
Three losers.
Why is the conservative a loser?
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 4:04PM EST (link)Is it party above all, for you?
“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
Party and Principle
shadowtax (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 5:17PM EST (link)Like a soul needs a body, principles need political power to come to life.
A conservative victory likely leads to destructive conservative schism. The Conservative Party will claim it is independent and will fight with the GOP. The GOP will remain more liberal. The conservative feud will benefit the liberals.
The best path to power for conservative principle is through the GOP.
Wow, look how little you know.
randy streu (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 5:24PM EST (link)Fact: Hoffman ran first as a Republican.
Fact 2: Hoffman will caucus with Republicans.
Fact 3: CPNY has a history of working WITH Republicans, especially up here, so long as the Republicans aren’t betraying principle for politics. In fact, this break between the GOP and CPNY is a DIRECT result of the “Eleven’s” stupidity in choosing Scozzafava over one of several more palatable potential nominees.
Fact 4: Scozzafava has been actively and publicly courted by the Democrat party, and was mulling the switch before being selected as GOP nominee. But sure — SHE’ll caucus with Republicans. Whatever.
Likelihood: Hoffman will switch party affiliation TO REPUBLICAN on election in order to run the next as the Republican candidate.
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That would be nice.
shadowtax (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 5:42PM EST (link)I hope that you are correct.
I did know that Hoffman has stated that he will caucus with the Republicans. Where did you learn that he will switch to GOP? Has there been a definitive statement or a non-answer like Scozzafava’s spokesman?
I am grateful that you acknowlege that there is a schism. I hope that it mends, but in the course of a campaign grudges are born. Politics is a nasty business, especiially local politics.
Hoffman switching to (R)
randy streu (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 5:56PM EST (link)as I said above, this is a likelihood — a conjecture based on the evidence I’ve seen, and my understanding of politics and fundraising.
First, Hoffman’s campaign is built around the idea that there is ONE actual Republican (and CPNY, etc. use the word “Republican” here, not “Conservative”) in this race, and that it ain’t Dede. That alone says something about his intentions.
Second, Hoffman already is a Republican. He’s running on the CPNY ticket, but his affiliation already is as a Republican.
Third, if Hoffman wins, he’ll want to be able to count on the local and national parties for fundraising and support to keep the seat. Neither he nor the CPNY, if he manages to pull this off, has the resources to do battle against TWO major opponants, esp. if he doesn’t have to.
So all that said, it simply stands to reason that, if Hoffman wins in NY23, he’ll be a REPUBLICAN Congressman.
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Randy: Do you know in NY 23 what percentage
ColdWarrior (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 7:09PM EST (link)of Republican Party precinct committeeman slots are vacant?
Thanks,
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Something I've been intending to find out
randy streu (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 7:24PM EST (link)(and, in fact, there was supposed to be a local meeting on that subject among other things, but I’ll have to call the guy who was organizing that and see what happened). I’ll find out and let you know.
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Randy: Thanks. It would be good to know
ColdWarrior (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 8:55PM EST (link)what percentage of the available PC slots were filled in the 2008 election cycle and what number of Republicans have come into the local Party organizations throughout the congressional district since Election Day 2008 indicating they want to become precinct committeeman.
And what percentage of that group are conservatives.
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Shadowfax turn that around to, a body needs a soul.
penguin2 (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 6:49PM EST (link)A political body or party that has lost its way is never going to have power. Conservative principles provide the “soul” for the body. The GOP has been losing because it does not stand on principle and do anything different from the Democrats. Having nothing to distinguish one side from the other leads to exactly what we have today. The GOP has/had its’ opportunity. We will do what we can to support them, but first in primaries, we want the Conservative candidate. What is happening in NY-23 is an example of politics as usual from the GOP. Your vision of the GOP is an old one, and we are tired of it.
I don’t think we have to worry about a “destructive conservative schism.” The liberals in our party are the ones causing this, let them reap the “rewards” of that.
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Yup...that sums it up well methinks...
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 3:01PM EST (link)at least in this case
Yes. Any other questions? [nt]
Bill S (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 6:27PM EST (link)“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
HEY REPUBLICAN PARTY HACKS!
kyle8 (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 3:47PM EST (link)this is the reason I have not made a donation in half a year. You got to get your crap together or we will vote with our feet. NO MORE LIBERALS! None! that means, NOT ONE!
When you decide to help liberals win you don’t get my dollars, simple as that.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Kyle8, right back at you! My $$$ goes directly to conservative candidates
ColdWarrior (Diary) Monday, October 19th at 12:17AM EST (link)I only give donations directly to candidates and to “real” conservative organizations. And I hope all conservative grass rooters are doing the same as we are doing.
Thank you.
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Just reinforces my thoughts on the race
Illinicon (Diary) Friday, October 16th at 6:16PM EST (link)that an Owens win would be better than Scozzafava winning. This way Hoffman becomes the favorite to win the nomination in 201 and gets elected next November in a 2 way race ( unless Scozzafava wants to run on the WFP line, though I think the Anti-Barry setiments would still make Hoffman the favorite. If Scozzafava wins she will vote conservately enough to edge out Hoffman in the primary and then show her true colors in the next congress.
My Potus shortlist
declared candidates:
1. Tim Pawlenty
2. Herman Cain
3. Gary Johnson
4. Rick Santorum
among declared and rumored candidates:
1. Rick Perry
2. Tim Pawlenty
3. Rudy Giuilani
4. Herman Cain