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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36253</link>
		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>learned from history WHEN?</description>
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		<title>By: bk</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36243</link>
		<dc:creator>bk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.npr.org/s.php?sId=4566818&amp;m=1&quot;&gt;http://www.npr.org/s.php?sId=4566818&amp;m=1&lt;/a&gt;

And that was regarding filibusters of nominees, not trillion-dollar bills.</description>
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<p>And that was regarding filibusters of nominees, not trillion-dollar bills.</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36232</link>
		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all of Pritcher&#039;s/Reaper0Bot0&#039;s smugness, he has even less of an idea why Obama got elected then &quot;we&quot; supposedly do. 

But it is amusing to try to see the self-proclaimed &quot;civility&quot; Lefties try to one-up the &quot;activist progressive&quot; Lefties of Kos about who&#039;s more smugly (a)morally &quot;superior&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all of Pritcher&#8217;s/Reaper0Bot0&#8242;s smugness, he has even less of an idea why Obama got elected then &#8220;we&#8221; supposedly do. </p>
<p>But it is amusing to try to see the self-proclaimed &#8220;civility&#8221; Lefties try to one-up the &#8220;activist progressive&#8221; Lefties of Kos about who&#8217;s more smugly (a)morally &#8220;superior&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: redpens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36228</link>
		<dc:creator>redpens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>about the American people. This agenda is all about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about the American people. This agenda is all about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dugas</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36227</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dugas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...the Blue Dogs some cover by possibly being able to vote &quot;NO&quot; in
+R leaning districts.  Now will that &quot;possible&quot; scenario outweigh the potential for a huge swing to the right by the voting public? I don&#039;t know.  But I do know that only needing a simple majority to cheat it through may work in the favor of some moderate democrats who would likely be voted out with a &quot;YES&quot; vote.
The Fiscal Insanity, The Job Destroying Legislation&#039;s, The Jobless Faux-Recovery, Cap &amp; Tax, The Alleged Stimulus, and The Open &amp; Blatant Corruption by Top Democrat Leaders in Washington should be shouted...hell screamed daily and put on record and brought up for review, charges etc etc etc.  We need a loud, articulate, easy to understand voice to bring our views to light and cut through the BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;the Blue Dogs some cover by possibly being able to vote &#8220;NO&#8221; in<br />
+R leaning districts.  Now will that &#8220;possible&#8221; scenario outweigh the potential for a huge swing to the right by the voting public? I don&#8217;t know.  But I do know that only needing a simple majority to cheat it through may work in the favor of some moderate democrats who would likely be voted out with a &#8220;YES&#8221; vote.<br />
The Fiscal Insanity, The Job Destroying Legislation&#8217;s, The Jobless Faux-Recovery, Cap &amp; Tax, The Alleged Stimulus, and The Open &amp; Blatant Corruption by Top Democrat Leaders in Washington should be shouted&#8230;hell screamed daily and put on record and brought up for review, charges etc etc etc.  We need a loud, articulate, easy to understand voice to bring our views to light and cut through the BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36225</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are the most dishonest person ever to come to this site.

Get out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are the most dishonest person ever to come to this site.</p>
<p>Get out.</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36211</link>
		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or their choice will be going nuclear in retaliation, or not going nuclear and something a lot worse happening to them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or their choice will be going nuclear in retaliation, or not going nuclear and something a lot worse happening to them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: IJB</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36207</link>
		<dc:creator>IJB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is all perfectly legit for reconciliation. 

What the Dems are proposing is so far beyond the pale in comparison to that, it&#039;s not even funny. 

Personally, I hope they try it. Then I hope the try to close Fox News. It&#039;ll all go over like a lead balloon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is all perfectly legit for reconciliation. </p>
<p>What the Dems are proposing is so far beyond the pale in comparison to that, it&#8217;s not even funny. </p>
<p>Personally, I hope they try it. Then I hope the try to close Fox News. It&#8217;ll all go over like a lead balloon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stealing from public coffers, clever politician and very effective influence peddler generally.

Not only is the SoB long past any point of usefulness, he&#039;s long past the point where he should have been scooped up in an Abscam investigation and left to rot in prison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stealing from public coffers, clever politician and very effective influence peddler generally.</p>
<p>Not only is the SoB long past any point of usefulness, he&#8217;s long past the point where he should have been scooped up in an Abscam investigation and left to rot in prison.</p>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36199</link>
		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t actually believe that Congressional Republicans would dare to use a nuclear option do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t actually believe that Congressional Republicans would dare to use a nuclear option do you?</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36195</link>
		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once the dems lose power - and they will.

Payback will be a bitch. Conservatives will dismantle the statist federal government - one law at a time. I am fifty but I would be willing to forgo all of the Social Security I have built up so my kids will have a future.

We are on the brink. If the socialists push on then we will have to reform and refound a new America without them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the dems lose power &#8211; and they will.</p>
<p>Payback will be a bitch. Conservatives will dismantle the statist federal government &#8211; one law at a time. I am fifty but I would be willing to forgo all of the Social Security I have built up so my kids will have a future.</p>
<p>We are on the brink. If the socialists push on then we will have to reform and refound a new America without them.</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36194</link>
		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even with a government run health insurance option - it won&#039;t be free....Sure some &quot;poor&quot; people with get &quot;free&quot; healthcare. But the young 25 year old Harvard grad &amp; Obama voter making 100K per year that had great health insurance at their cushy job will lose that as they step up the corporate ladder. And soon those 25 year old&#039;s settle down and have a family and now his young babies are in the &quot;government&quot; program. 
What - your one year old child has a life threatening condition? Sorry - we can&#039;t pay for it - We are the government and we are here to help only those we deem worthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even with a government run health insurance option &#8211; it won&#8217;t be free&#8230;.Sure some &#8220;poor&#8221; people with get &#8220;free&#8221; healthcare. But the young 25 year old Harvard grad &amp; Obama voter making 100K per year that had great health insurance at their cushy job will lose that as they step up the corporate ladder. And soon those 25 year old&#8217;s settle down and have a family and now his young babies are in the &#8220;government&#8221; program.<br />
What &#8211; your one year old child has a life threatening condition? Sorry &#8211; we can&#8217;t pay for it &#8211; We are the government and we are here to help only those we deem worthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dugas</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36193</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Dugas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That will allow the Blue Dogs to cover themselves with No Votes won&#039;t it?  They&#039;ll be able to go back to their constituents and say they voted No.  That will suck.
Also if the Republican Senators and Congressmen &quot;Go Quietly into that Dark Night&quot; over this it could well spend the end of the party as we know it.  You may very well see a huge splintering off the party thus ensuring Democrat rule for a long time.
And, IMO, if Obama Care passes with three years or more left until we can hope to get a majority again, it will be near impossible to put and end to such a huge benefit. Imagine all those millions who would been switched to the government plan would then need to find what will probably be unavailable medical coverage.  I really am having dark thoughts about all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That will allow the Blue Dogs to cover themselves with No Votes won&#8217;t it?  They&#8217;ll be able to go back to their constituents and say they voted No.  That will suck.<br />
Also if the Republican Senators and Congressmen &#8220;Go Quietly into that Dark Night&#8221; over this it could well spend the end of the party as we know it.  You may very well see a huge splintering off the party thus ensuring Democrat rule for a long time.<br />
And, IMO, if Obama Care passes with three years or more left until we can hope to get a majority again, it will be near impossible to put and end to such a huge benefit. Imagine all those millions who would been switched to the government plan would then need to find what will probably be unavailable medical coverage.  I really am having dark thoughts about all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: wgsampson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36192</link>
		<dc:creator>wgsampson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Byrd would be with the Republicans on this one.  He cares more about the image and prestige of his beloved Senate than he does anything else.  Whether he agrees with the legislation or not what is best for the Senate is to try to do this the right way.  So, Byrd would stand against reconciliation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byrd would be with the Republicans on this one.  He cares more about the image and prestige of his beloved Senate than he does anything else.  Whether he agrees with the legislation or not what is best for the Senate is to try to do this the right way.  So, Byrd would stand against reconciliation.</p>
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		<title>By: yoyo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36190</link>
		<dc:creator>yoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are RICYs.  &quot;&#039;Republican&#039; in Campaign Years&quot;

That is how they get elected.  After they are elected, they fall in line, right behind the rest of the &quot;D&#039;s&quot;.  Yeah, they &#039;protest&#039; a lot, but that is just for show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are RICYs.  &#8220;&#8216;Republican&#8217; in Campaign Years&#8221;</p>
<p>That is how they get elected.  After they are elected, they fall in line, right behind the rest of the &#8220;D&#8217;s&#8221;.  Yeah, they &#8216;protest&#8217; a lot, but that is just for show.</p>
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		<title>By: billyd</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36183</link>
		<dc:creator>billyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what you think the american people voted for?   You think he won by 7 points because of his stance on a public option?   Really?    Let&#039;s get something straight.   The people that voted for Obama had no idea what he was going to do.   His entire campaign was a vague as possible, and the media did as much as they could to cover up for the ultra left liberal policies that he represented.   The guy ran his campaign like someone running for middle school class president.  No more Homework!!!   Free Ice cream for all!!!   He made promises that he never intended to keep in order to make people &quot;Hope&quot;.   I&#039;ll be you really believe him when he says that he will not sign a bill that will add 1 dime to the deficit.    And at the same time, will not raise taxes 1 dime on anyone making less than 250k per year.    Open your eyes man.   Obama stood in front you,   told you how great his magic oil was, and you couldn&#039;t wait to buy it.    Eventually, you&#039;ll realize, what you were told, is not what you got.

By the way...  If you haven&#039;t noticed.   Obama can&#039;t even get his own party to support his radical agenda.   And now, those on the left want to attempt to circumnavigate our system to push their agenda.

Last point....  You won&#039;t be in power forever, and payback is a bitch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what you think the american people voted for?   You think he won by 7 points because of his stance on a public option?   Really?    Let&#8217;s get something straight.   The people that voted for Obama had no idea what he was going to do.   His entire campaign was a vague as possible, and the media did as much as they could to cover up for the ultra left liberal policies that he represented.   The guy ran his campaign like someone running for middle school class president.  No more Homework!!!   Free Ice cream for all!!!   He made promises that he never intended to keep in order to make people &#8220;Hope&#8221;.   I&#8217;ll be you really believe him when he says that he will not sign a bill that will add 1 dime to the deficit.    And at the same time, will not raise taxes 1 dime on anyone making less than 250k per year.    Open your eyes man.   Obama stood in front you,   told you how great his magic oil was, and you couldn&#8217;t wait to buy it.    Eventually, you&#8217;ll realize, what you were told, is not what you got.</p>
<p>By the way&#8230;  If you haven&#8217;t noticed.   Obama can&#8217;t even get his own party to support his radical agenda.   And now, those on the left want to attempt to circumnavigate our system to push their agenda.</p>
<p>Last point&#8230;.  You won&#8217;t be in power forever, and payback is a bitch!</p>
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		<title>By: Swamp_Yankee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swamp_Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Swamp_Yankee</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36178</link>
		<dc:creator>Swamp_Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A) Not only is not budgetary, it is not emergency.

B) You kidding me if you think the majority of Americans who voted for Obama voted for health care with a public option.  The average voter did not know the intracacies of his plan, which is what they oppose now. Liberals always do this. Yes, we all want a clean environment, better schools, ... The vague language used by Dems is a smokescreen. The overwhelming majority of Americans are happy with their health care and are worried about the debt. Wanting &quot;health care reform&quot; isnt synomymous wit hare going to fundamentally cahnge health care for everyone and break the bank. By the way, how is that no mandate promise treating you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A) Not only is not budgetary, it is not emergency.</p>
<p>B) You kidding me if you think the majority of Americans who voted for Obama voted for health care with a public option.  The average voter did not know the intracacies of his plan, which is what they oppose now. Liberals always do this. Yes, we all want a clean environment, better schools, &#8230; The vague language used by Dems is a smokescreen. The overwhelming majority of Americans are happy with their health care and are worried about the debt. Wanting &#8220;health care reform&#8221; isnt synomymous wit hare going to fundamentally cahnge health care for everyone and break the bank. By the way, how is that no mandate promise treating you.</p>
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		<title>By: archer52</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/15/breaking-dems-go-nuclear-on-obamacare/comment-page-1/#comment-36176</link>
		<dc:creator>archer52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this article from the American Spectator by Codeville.  It goes into great detail about the history of the type of government our &quot;leaders&quot; have been designing to replace the Constitution.  It is not the first time it has been tried (Italy, Argentina, Mexico), and may not be the last, but it is what we see today and goes a long way to explain why we are witnessing &quot;water running up hill.&quot;

http://truthandcommonsense.com/2009/10/15/i-hate-being-right-especially-on-this-american-spectator-outlines-our-future-not-good/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this article from the American Spectator by Codeville.  It goes into great detail about the history of the type of government our &#8220;leaders&#8221; have been designing to replace the Constitution.  It is not the first time it has been tried (Italy, Argentina, Mexico), and may not be the last, but it is what we see today and goes a long way to explain why we are witnessing &#8220;water running up hill.&#8221;</p>
<p>http://truthandcommonsense.com/2009/10/15/i-hate-being-right-especially-on-this-american-spectator-outlines-our-future-not-good/</p>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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