Comments on: The Obama-McChrystal Gap http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/ Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:42:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: RedBeard http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35832 RedBeard Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:52:02 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35832 Whoops... did I say that out loud? Whoops… did I say that out loud?

]]> By: anotherindyfilmguy http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35830 anotherindyfilmguy Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:59:13 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35830 that the "O" has "betters"? Careful you do not become a thought criminal - better to turn yourself in to the nearest gulag, er... re-education camp now... (etc) that the “O” has “betters”? Careful you do not become a thought criminal – better to turn yourself in to the nearest gulag, er… re-education camp now… (etc)

]]> By: RedBeard http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35797 RedBeard Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:15:49 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35797 1. A West Point man who has multiple degrees, well-earned stars on his shoulders and medals on his chest, and who has devoted his entire life to studying, learning, and teaching military matters. or: 2. A Chicago community organizer who has never run anything (military or civilian), who has no resume or experience in anything but teleprompter-reading, and who doesn't want to learn anything new from his betters with lifetimes worth of experience and knowledge, Golly gee... tough choice, ain't it? 1. A West Point man who has multiple degrees, well-earned stars on his shoulders and medals on his chest, and who has devoted his entire life to studying, learning, and teaching military matters.

or:

2. A Chicago community organizer who has never run anything (military or civilian), who has no resume or experience in anything but teleprompter-reading, and who doesn’t want to learn anything new from his betters with lifetimes worth of experience and knowledge,

Golly gee… tough choice, ain’t it?

]]> By: antisocial http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35790 antisocial Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:07:11 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35790 are practically one and the same thing. The stupid trial balloon that was floated (AQ is finished and Taliban is not our enemy) is the worst explanation that could be imagined. That's just an attempt to run. Remember this war will be won or lost politically. The more President Obama drags his feet the worse it looks. This is a very complex situation and I think this administration is having a hard time understanding the implications. This has survival of Pakistan also at stake. Assuming the administration punts Taliban will be emboldened and Pakistan will be under severe pressure to cave in to Taliban/extremists/factions of ISI/Army... Pakistan had always seen a special role (strategic depth) for itself in Afghanistan since the days of Zia Ul Haq. It'll be easier for Pakistan Pols to give in to extremist elements than fight them. Pakistan can always use India excuse to move away from this conflict. Any weakness in this theater will be the greatest boost to terrorists worldwide. You can imagine worldwide celebration among terrorist elements throughout the world. President Obama in not listening to his hand-picked commander now. The time for strategy was when he picked Gen. McChrystal. He needs to realize there are no middle grounds. In fact middle ground is the worst option. I am afraid that's where the President might be headed. BTW.... Isn't Mullah Omar the same guy who risked everything for Osama Bin Laden? What makes anyone think Taliban and AQ are going to depart ways now? are practically one and the same thing. The stupid trial balloon that was floated (AQ is finished and Taliban is not our enemy) is the worst explanation that could be imagined. That’s just an attempt to run. Remember this war will be won or lost politically.

The more President Obama drags his feet the worse it looks.

This is a very complex situation and I think this administration is having a hard time understanding the implications.

This has survival of Pakistan also at stake. Assuming the administration punts Taliban will be emboldened and Pakistan will be under severe pressure to cave in to Taliban/extremists/factions of ISI/Army… Pakistan had always seen a special role (strategic depth) for itself in Afghanistan since the days of Zia Ul Haq. It’ll be easier for Pakistan Pols to give in to extremist elements than fight them. Pakistan can always use India excuse to move away from this conflict. Any weakness in this theater will be the greatest boost to terrorists worldwide. You can imagine worldwide celebration among terrorist elements throughout the world.

President Obama in not listening to his hand-picked commander now. The time for strategy was when he picked Gen. McChrystal. He needs to realize there are no middle grounds. In fact middle ground is the worst option. I am afraid that’s where the President might be headed.

BTW…. Isn’t Mullah Omar the same guy who risked everything for Osama Bin Laden? What makes anyone think Taliban and AQ are going to depart ways now?

]]> By: The_Rebel http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35770 The_Rebel Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:40:20 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35770 If we can't use the resources that we have been given to do the job that the military is trained for - kill the enemy -, then additional reinforcements won't help. We must end the politically correct rules of engagement that protect the enemy and kill our soldiers. No more safe havens for the Taliban or Al-Qaeda. Hiding behind women and children will no longer protect them. Charging up hills at our outposts will no longer be an option, because we won't wait until we see the whites of their eyes to begin firing. Sure we will suffer some bad pr at first. But eventually the population will learn to take matters into their own hands. With new rules of engagement, it will become kill, or be killed for the innocents. If we are committing forces anywhere around the world, it must be done full bore or not at all. Hamstringing our forces with "sensitive" rules of engagement is not an option. I won't hold my breath waiting for this to happen. If we can’t use the resources that we have been given to do the job that the military is trained for – kill the enemy -, then additional reinforcements won’t help. We must end the politically correct rules of engagement that protect the enemy and kill our soldiers. No more safe havens for the Taliban or Al-Qaeda. Hiding behind women and children will no longer protect them. Charging up hills at our outposts will no longer be an option, because we won’t wait until we see the whites of their eyes to begin firing.

Sure we will suffer some bad pr at first. But eventually the population will learn to take matters into their own hands. With new rules of engagement, it will become kill, or be killed for the innocents.

If we are committing forces anywhere around the world, it must be done full bore or not at all. Hamstringing our forces with “sensitive” rules of engagement is not an option.

I won’t hold my breath waiting for this to happen.

]]> By: Tbone http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35764 Tbone Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:02:50 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35764 By: redneck_hippie http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35763 redneck_hippie Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:56:02 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35763 the constitution. (McChrystal), and on the other hand, just wanting to be worshipped (Obama). the constitution. (McChrystal), and on the other hand, just wanting to be worshipped (Obama).

]]> By: DavidS1787 http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35762 DavidS1787 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:43:54 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35762 n/t n/t

]]> By: Tbone http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35761 Tbone Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:31:43 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35761 All he has to do is deny the resources that the Americans need to win it. All he has to do is deny the resources that the Americans need to win it.

]]> By: DavidS1787 http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35758 DavidS1787 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:01:29 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35758 The cost is too high to lose. Convincing Obama of that will be a tough sell because of his base and his party. He will probably let thes soldiers stay in Afghanistan and use Vice Pres. Joe Biden's (aka General Biden) Tatical Plan. What will happen will be much worse than Viet Nam if Biden acts like President Johnson(aka Gen. Johnson) and not as much let you bomb a target without his permission. Not only will we lose the war ,but the taliban could end up taking over Pakistan and have nuclear tipped missles! Now that is something Obama should worry about! But in Obama's world there is nothing more important than himself! The cost is too high to lose. Convincing Obama of that will be a tough sell because of his base and his party. He will probably let thes soldiers stay in Afghanistan and use Vice Pres. Joe Biden’s (aka General Biden) Tatical Plan.

What will happen will be much worse than Viet Nam if Biden acts like President Johnson(aka Gen. Johnson) and not as much let you bomb a target without his permission.

Not only will we lose the war ,but the taliban could end up taking over Pakistan
and have nuclear tipped missles! Now that is something Obama should worry about!

But in Obama’s world there is nothing more important than himself!

]]> By: mfarmer http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35754 mfarmer Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:16:31 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35754 I missed an s or two while typing I missed an s or two while typing

]]> By: mfarmer http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35753 mfarmer Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:14:32 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35753 This is why I've been againt involvement in Afghanistan, because, like Viet Nam, there is no will at the top to win, to do what' necessary, Putting young women and men in harm's way while the president play political games is criminal. This is why I’ve been againt involvement in Afghanistan, because, like Viet Nam, there is no will at the top to win, to do what’ necessary, Putting young women and men in harm’s way while the president play political games is criminal.

]]> By: DavidS1787 http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35752 DavidS1787 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:30:18 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35752 there could well be a nuclear war against India! Then I can see the middle east going nuclear with the dictators of with their hands on the nuclear codes. Scary times for us all. there could well be a nuclear war against India! Then I can see the middle east going nuclear with the dictators of with their hands on the nuclear codes.

Scary times for us all.

]]> By: DavidS1787 http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35751 DavidS1787 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:22:39 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35751 If he did he would listen to what his hand picked 4 star Army General Stanley McChrystal told him what to do long ago! But Obama doesn't care while our soldiers die! What kind of American commander and chief would do this to our troops? Answer: An Arrogant Commander and chief that cares only about himself. He has to be the center of attention. Remember Obama has had this report on his desk from McChrystal since Aug.30,2009! The question is this: <B>Mr. President how many of our soldiers have to die before you make your decision?</B> Or will you let Our brave Soldiers just hangout to dry with no visible means of support! Or will you choose the Biden Option and mess up everything? Or will you wait till it get so bad in Afghanistan, that you will be fighting two enimies(<B>Al-Qaeda </B>) and need more troops because Taliban is trying to take over<B>NUCLEAR TIPPED WEAPONS IN PAKISTAN</B> making the fight against just that more tough! If he did he would listen to what his hand picked 4 star Army General Stanley McChrystal told him what to do long ago! But Obama doesn’t care while our soldiers die! What kind of American commander and chief would do this to our troops? Answer: An Arrogant Commander and chief that cares only about himself. He has to be the center of attention.
Remember Obama has had this report on his desk from McChrystal since Aug.30,2009!

The question is this: Mr. President how many of our soldiers have to die before you make your decision? Or will you let Our brave Soldiers just hangout to dry with no visible means of support! Or will you choose the Biden Option and mess up everything?

Or will you wait till it get so bad in Afghanistan, that you will be fighting two enimies(Al-Qaeda ) and need more troops because Taliban is trying to take overNUCLEAR TIPPED WEAPONS IN PAKISTAN making the fight against just that more tough!

]]> By: suzieQ http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/12/the-obama-mcchrystal-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-35750 suzieQ Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:46:22 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3958#comment-35750 He promised a plan of retreat in Iraq. He supported cut-and-run appeasement from day one. He made friends with the Islamo-fascists, and he has a long track record of supporting Nazi-like organizations (ACORN). Is anyone really surprised that he wants to appease the Taliban now? If so, they haven't been paying attention. He promised a plan of retreat in Iraq. He supported cut-and-run appeasement from day one. He made friends with the Islamo-fascists, and he has a long track record of supporting Nazi-like organizations (ACORN).

Is anyone really surprised that he wants to appease the Taliban now? If so, they haven’t been paying attention.

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