Comments on: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership

By: The_Gadfly

The_Gadfly — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:40:43 +0000

I’d be more in the let them live but make it painful camp. As in, the campaign forfeits all money in the bundle to the federal government as a fine. If it is a PAC or NPO, all their income for the last fiscal year is forfeited to the feds. The PACs and NPOs could survive that with a lot of work, but it would hurt and they’d be sure to remember it. For the single donation, I think maybe they forfeit the donation to the government, then have to pay the government to have a high priced forensic accounting agency review all of their records for any other problems. If they don’t cooperate with the accounting agency quickly enough, then I’d go for the death sentence.

But I’m liking your point 1 for the definition of transparency.

By: The_Gadfly

The_Gadfly — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:30:21 +0000

I was going with effective outcome. Your list pretty much details why it being technically true is worthless. My objective is to codify the SCOTUS decision in such a way that any citizen can actually successfully enforce it. I pretty much have your point about the spinelessness of most professional Republicans tattooed on my brain.

By: robertbelvedere

robertbelvedere — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:10:59 +0000

Awarded the THE SPOT-ON QUOTE OF THE DAY at: TCOTS

It is Dog Track Time for the leadership of the Republican Party at all levels. Too many have stayed too long, and it is time for them to do the honorable thing: take the figurative Luger and retire to their dens. The Boehner’s, Ginriches, O’Connell’s, Steele’s, McCain’s [not of The Other variety], Frist’s, Dole’s, Cantor’s, Lowry’s, Romney’s, Frum’s, Brooks’s, Noonan’s, Parker’s, et. al., must all go, if not willingly than through pushing and ignoring. The Right has rediscovered its purpose in life: to guard against ideology, to protect and defend the Founding, and to fight the forces of tyranny in all of its forms. Now is the time for the grassroots to seize the roots of the Stupid Party and bring it back to it’s roots in conservative principles. To quote MacArthur after he landed on the Philippines:

As the lines of battle roll forward to bring you within the zone of operations, rise and strike. Strike at every favorable opportunity. For your homes and hearths, strike! For future generations of your sons and daughters, strike! In the name of your sacred dead, strike! Let no heart be faint. Let every arm be steeled. The guidance of divine God points the way. Follow in His Name to the Holy Grail of righteous victory!

Nil Desperandum. Or in the vulgar: Never let the bastards get you down.

By: Deadeye

Deadeye — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:53:24 +0000

I find it strange to see Erick speaking on behalf of or in defense of the Tea Partiers given how strongly opposed he is to some of their views and how much he represents a part of the party which many of them revile.

Dave
http://www.nationalbroadside.com

By: martyinaz

martyinaz — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:26:33 +0000

Please don’t ask the Tea Partiers to put down their signs. The more they stir the pot the more people will get involved over their anger with our government. With 2010 being a big election year for the House, (all are up for re-election), we have a good chance to get the attention of the politico. They will LISTEN, when they are up for re-election, (Ask not what you can do for yourselves, ask what you can do for your constituents). Then, vote out all the Democrats and take a hard look at the Republicans, who may need educational measures to get them back to their conservative values.

By: martyinaz

martyinaz — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:54:35 +0000

God, how I wish I could vote Libertarian, and know it would mean something. Since I was 20, I was an advocate of Austrian Economics and limited government. So, I am by all counts a true Libertarian. The problem has always been, having to pick the lesser taskmaster. The one who would deliver only ten lashes instead of 20. I would rather be free of our government, and receive NO lashes. But alas, we have a TWO party system. And voting my true conscience would only water down the chances of getting the lesser taskmaster.

By: martyinaz

martyinaz — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:21:28 +0000

Do you remember when we called Democrats “Pinkos”in referance to someone who was nearly a “RED” Communist? Well, they ain’t Pinkos any more. They are Marxist Socialists trying to turn this nation to Communism. I’ll take a wimpy Republican any day over what we have going on now in Pelosi’s house. We need to take on this problem one step at a time. First and foremost get rid of the Democrats in Congress in 2010. Then clean up the GOP. It’s best we keep our eyes on the prize boys and girls. 2010 is the year of revolt. OUT with all the Democrats.

By: arc_ut

arc_ut — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:44:07 +0000

In Utah, our State GOP Leaders come to the Tea Parties. They want to know what is going on.

Last year, the 3rd district voted out a 6 term incumbent republican with a new republican US Rep. Jason Chaffetz. Rep. Chaffetz is doing great.

This year, US Senator Bob Bennett appears to be worried he will not be elected next year. We have 3 or 4 “Republican’s vying for his seat. They hope Senator Bennett will not even make it to the primary.

Our State GOP is staying neutral on this race, until we have selected our nominee. So is our Governor and Rep. Jason Chaffetz.

One of the challangers is the 3 term Attorney General from Utah. Prior to Rep. Chaffetz beating Chris Cannon last year, we may not have had someone like him run.

My personal feeling is we don’t need another attorney in the US Senate and replacing a 3 term incumbent with a 3 term incumbent isn’t the answer.

Luckily we have Cherilyn Eagar running. I am hoping she will be as effective as Jason Chaffetz is being.

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By: frog83

frog83 — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:30:22 +0000

Re above, I’m sick and tired of watching the “sick-&-tired” same old GOP (as in Gone Ole Party) appeasers and cowards caving in and trying to please everyone from illegal immigrants to Harvey Milk (now we have to honor this guy on Columbus Day, or what used to be Columbus Day) worshippers thanks to “Gov Arnold.” Enough already (as if it hasn’t been this way for way too long. I say out with the wimps and in with those that will fight for conservative ideals.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:51:20 +0000

It must be that I don’t have enough money to donate to anyone except in a few key races to really influence anything. That’s not meant in a sour-grapes way, it’s just true.

I guess the consensus here at RedState is: “Just leave everything alone and let anyone donate as much as they want to anything.” The problem, it seems to me, is that we’re getting creamed because of that simplistic credo.

Al Franken is now the U.S. Senator from Minnesota. Why? Because MoveOn.org and several other organizations targeted the Secretary of State race in Minnesota and they poured money into it, and they won — bigtime.

My suggestion wasn’t paternalistic — it just seemed to me to make a little bit of sense, at least: outside organizations shouldn’t be able to completely swamp local races with truckloads of money.

By: kowalski

kowalski — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:38:00 +0000

I’ll freely grant you that. Here I go and try to come up with a mastermind plan to solve everyone’s problems and you guys just tell me it ain’t gonna work.

Which it probably wouldn’t, after a couple of election cycles, for the reasons you mention. Then the law will have to be revised, and all kinds of outrage will have to be vented online in order to do that, etc., etc.

See, this is why I never discussed campaign finance reform before: it’s an *absolutely impossible* subject to get broad-based agreement on, it’s like public schools.

By: Neil Stevens

Neil Stevens — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:16:09 +0000

So I guess you enjoy conceding the strongly D urban districts or something?

By: jdh770

jdh770 — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:11:28 +0000

that outside money, “creates competitive politics where it otherwise wouldn’t exist”, then I’m sure your belief brings tears of joy to George Soros’ eyes…

By: profg

profg — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:45:56 +0000

… Saying things like this will get you banned from RedState. All those Ron Paul supporters found that out the hard way!

“Grassroots activists need to start infiltrating the party,” said Erickson. “The only way to start getting [the establishment] back is to start pounding them with every fist we have.”

By: Finrod

Finrod — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:29:30 +0000

I would strongly encourage you to write a diary here and line out who you are and who you’re running against. We definitely need all the coverage of local races that we can get.

By: Finrod

Finrod — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:20:16 +0000

Thinking like yours is exactly what got us into the mess we’re in now.

By: Achance

Achance — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:29:21 +0000

or groups, influence elections in WY and, especially, Alaska. Waxman hates the Alaska oil industry as do his SFO friends. All the Greenie groups are major players in elections at every level here even down to municipal assembly races and the like.

As much as I hate having to outbid the CA Trust Fund babies and Dot-Com millionaires, I’m not really a fan of restricting contributions to the district, though it is tempting and I threaten it sometimes.

I’m for instant, no more than 24 hours, of ALL contributions both monetary and in-kind. Also, all PACS and non-profits must disclose all contributions in the same fashion. The PACs and non-profits essentially function as a money laundry. I think you’d find that some very bad people poured huge amounts of money into Comrade Obama’s campaign and the Democrat Party using that laundry. ‘Course, since they won, nobody’s going to look.

By: Achance

Achance — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:22:19 +0000

Adultery is illegal in lots of places too; must be why nobody ever does it. Democrats won’t enforce the law. Republicans are afraid to enforce the law. Objecting employees have to go it alone and only sometimes get the help of National Right to Work Legal Defense Fund or some private foundation, e.g., Evergreen Foundation took on the WA NEA. In a Blue state, an individual employee or even an unsupported group doesn’t have a prayer of prevailing because even the State AG often comes in against them, e.g., Washington.

By: diakrioi

diakrioi — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:12:05 +0000

I am reading all of the ideas here on how to limit contributions by “outsiders” – every idea sounds a bit hokey to me. If there is one thing that can be learned by studying the history of campaign finance reform it is this: Politicians find a way around restrictions put upon them within a couple of election cycles.

So, I’m with Neil on this one, i.e., allow the greatest freedom possible in contributions and depend on the voters to make an informed decision. To make an informed decision possible, we need a few rules.

1. No campaign contributions can be spent unless the source has been a published fact for 7 days.

2. Bundled contributions (such as from political action committees) cannot be accepted unless the contributing organization follows rule #1 without exception.

3. Failure of a campaign or political action committee to follow rule #1 means they lose the right to accept money and contribute to campaigns.

By: conritwng

conritwng — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:42:27 +0000

The Republicans have indeed lost their constitutional way and are getting a Bleeding Heart like the Dem’s. John McCain. Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins and the rest of the RINO,s should be have the courtesy to resign from the Republican Party and Michael should be one of them …He doesn’t want to hurt any feelings and has made a mush of the GOP I hope the Continental Congress 2009 will have an impact on our Government and I am behind them 100%
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