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		<title>By: redneck_hippie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/06/redstate-book-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-37443</link>
		<dc:creator>redneck_hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still currently reading Road to Serfdom which will be going back to the library soon. Following Liberal Fascism with The Road would really be an excellent segue both for its concision and its clarity. Although I have sworn off buying any more books until I make room for more, I will be buying The Road to Serfdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still currently reading Road to Serfdom which will be going back to the library soon. Following Liberal Fascism with The Road would really be an excellent segue both for its concision and its clarity. Although I have sworn off buying any more books until I make room for more, I will be buying The Road to Serfdom.</p>
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		<title>By: MrMosis</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrMosis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but I guess I meant more-so Orthodox Christians as opposed to the broader group of self professed ones. Orthodox doctrine requires an accurate understanding of human nature at the onset- which precludes one from adopting political philosophies built upon an unconstrained vision of man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but I guess I meant more-so Orthodox Christians as opposed to the broader group of self professed ones. Orthodox doctrine requires an accurate understanding of human nature at the onset- which precludes one from adopting political philosophies built upon an unconstrained vision of man.</p>
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		<title>By: andyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>andyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in!  I am very excited.  Some of these books look a little intimidating, but I am excited about reading them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in!  I am very excited.  Some of these books look a little intimidating, but I am excited about reading them.</p>
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		<title>By: G. A. Harrison</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/06/redstate-book-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-35700</link>
		<dc:creator>G. A. Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a truly great idea!  If you are looking for more books to add later, I would suggest that you start with Morton Blackwell&#039;s renowned &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/resources/readtolead.cfm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;Read to Lead list&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.  The list has changed some over the years (I remember that von Mises&#039;s &quot;Human Action&quot; was on the list when I took part in an early LI Youth Leadership program), but remains solid.

I might suggest that some books on your list, such as &quot;Democracy in America&quot;, as well as some books on Blackwell&#039;s list (i.e. Richard Weaver&#039;s &quot;Ideas Have Consequences&quot;) may be great books but simply won&#039;t be read by many people.

Goldberg&#039;s &quot;Liberal Fascism&quot;, while long, is written in a plain enough style for most people to be willing to tackle in their spare time.  Levin&#039;s &quot;Liberty and Tyranny&quot; is quite possibly the most tightly written piece of conservative political thought since Goldwater&#039;s &quot;Conscience of a Conservative&quot;.

I would suggest that you stay away from &quot;pundit&quot; books for future additions.  While great books to read, authors such as Coulter, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Malkin, etc. are not really &quot;idea&quot; books, despite the protestations of their fans and the authors themselves.

I would also suggest Mickey Edwards&#039;s book &quot;Reclaiming Conservatism&quot;.  While Edwards (a former Congressman, former chair of the ACU, and one of the true leaders of the conservative movement from Goldwater through Reagan) took a great deal of heat for this book, I find it ironic that many who criticized him now have volumes out expressing many of the same ideas.  It&#039;s not overly long and fairly well written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a truly great idea!  If you are looking for more books to add later, I would suggest that you start with Morton Blackwell&#8217;s renowned <em><a href="http://www.leadershipinstitute.org/resources/readtolead.cfm" target="_blank">Read to Lead list</a></em>.  The list has changed some over the years (I remember that von Mises&#8217;s &#8220;Human Action&#8221; was on the list when I took part in an early LI Youth Leadership program), but remains solid.</p>
<p>I might suggest that some books on your list, such as &#8220;Democracy in America&#8221;, as well as some books on Blackwell&#8217;s list (i.e. Richard Weaver&#8217;s &#8220;Ideas Have Consequences&#8221;) may be great books but simply won&#8217;t be read by many people.</p>
<p>Goldberg&#8217;s &#8220;Liberal Fascism&#8221;, while long, is written in a plain enough style for most people to be willing to tackle in their spare time.  Levin&#8217;s &#8220;Liberty and Tyranny&#8221; is quite possibly the most tightly written piece of conservative political thought since Goldwater&#8217;s &#8220;Conscience of a Conservative&#8221;.</p>
<p>I would suggest that you stay away from &#8220;pundit&#8221; books for future additions.  While great books to read, authors such as Coulter, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, Malkin, etc. are not really &#8220;idea&#8221; books, despite the protestations of their fans and the authors themselves.</p>
<p>I would also suggest Mickey Edwards&#8217;s book &#8220;Reclaiming Conservatism&#8221;.  While Edwards (a former Congressman, former chair of the ACU, and one of the true leaders of the conservative movement from Goldwater through Reagan) took a great deal of heat for this book, I find it ironic that many who criticized him now have volumes out expressing many of the same ideas.  It&#8217;s not overly long and fairly well written.</p>
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		<title>By: Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>every man and woman becoming a sort of Cartesian interpreter of the world, i.e. trying to render every judgement from first principles, a practice which is next to impossible to execute in real ilfe.  Not to mention the fact that if everyone has to reinvent the wheel every day, no time will be left for actual knowledge building.  (Or anything else, for that matter.)

It also provides a learned segue into post-modern deconstructionism and the susequent assault on our Founding Fathers, not to mention the very tenets of freedom and individual responsibilty,  among others, which is so prevelant in today&#039;s neo-socialist academy.  It is just such attacks which the left uses to undermine American exceptionalism and makes us, especially our children, suseptible to the cult of personality, i.e. Prez mmmmm Obeyme.

Besides, his contention (in &quot;On Liberty&quot;) that truth can never fully be known (moral absolutes aside for the nonce) is contradictory to the most basic conservative beliefs.  Indeed, it was Mill&#039;s father who believed that &quot;moral action could be reduced to a mathematical formula.&quot;  

It was only after reading Wordsworth and Coleridge (and after having an existential crisis in the form of a nervous breakdown at age 20) that Mill Jr. attempted to &quot;render radical individualism the most social of creeds and utilitarianism the most individualistic.&quot;  He thereby reconciled &quot;the romantic cult of the individual with the puritanical utilitarianism of his father,&quot; basically for his (Mill Jr&#039;s) own sake.

Although rhetorically powerful and therefore highly appealing to the intelligentisia, according to Dalrymple, even a cursory glance at such a contention renders it foolish in the utmost.  It revealed a quite &quot;unrealistic view of both human beings and the society in which they lived.&quot;  

Philosophical quandaries resolved by handy, yet flawed, rhetorical expedients taken to their logical conclusion are maniacally dangerous to all concerned (think national socialism, communist socialism, etc.)  Can you imagine a more &quot;radical individualist&quot; than Obama or a more &quot;moral[ly] utilitarian[istic] policy than the provision of healthcare based on who has the most productive (useful to society) years left?    

Unfortunately, most Western social policy can find its roots in Mill, which is the very thing we now strive mightily against.  As you point out, without the context of 19th century Christianity, it can easily be, and indeed has been, twisted into a convenient philosophical excuse for license.

I&#039;ve been out of town, thus the delay in my response.  Sorry for the inconvenience.  (And yes, I was out in the woods with no cell reception, much less internet.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>every man and woman becoming a sort of Cartesian interpreter of the world, i.e. trying to render every judgement from first principles, a practice which is next to impossible to execute in real ilfe.  Not to mention the fact that if everyone has to reinvent the wheel every day, no time will be left for actual knowledge building.  (Or anything else, for that matter.)</p>
<p>It also provides a learned segue into post-modern deconstructionism and the susequent assault on our Founding Fathers, not to mention the very tenets of freedom and individual responsibilty,  among others, which is so prevelant in today&#8217;s neo-socialist academy.  It is just such attacks which the left uses to undermine American exceptionalism and makes us, especially our children, suseptible to the cult of personality, i.e. Prez mmmmm Obeyme.</p>
<p>Besides, his contention (in &#8220;On Liberty&#8221;) that truth can never fully be known (moral absolutes aside for the nonce) is contradictory to the most basic conservative beliefs.  Indeed, it was Mill&#8217;s father who believed that &#8220;moral action could be reduced to a mathematical formula.&#8221;  </p>
<p>It was only after reading Wordsworth and Coleridge (and after having an existential crisis in the form of a nervous breakdown at age 20) that Mill Jr. attempted to &#8220;render radical individualism the most social of creeds and utilitarianism the most individualistic.&#8221;  He thereby reconciled &#8220;the romantic cult of the individual with the puritanical utilitarianism of his father,&#8221; basically for his (Mill Jr&#8217;s) own sake.</p>
<p>Although rhetorically powerful and therefore highly appealing to the intelligentisia, according to Dalrymple, even a cursory glance at such a contention renders it foolish in the utmost.  It revealed a quite &#8220;unrealistic view of both human beings and the society in which they lived.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Philosophical quandaries resolved by handy, yet flawed, rhetorical expedients taken to their logical conclusion are maniacally dangerous to all concerned (think national socialism, communist socialism, etc.)  Can you imagine a more &#8220;radical individualist&#8221; than Obama or a more &#8220;moral[ly] utilitarian[istic] policy than the provision of healthcare based on who has the most productive (useful to society) years left?    </p>
<p>Unfortunately, most Western social policy can find its roots in Mill, which is the very thing we now strive mightily against.  As you point out, without the context of 19th century Christianity, it can easily be, and indeed has been, twisted into a convenient philosophical excuse for license.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been out of town, thus the delay in my response.  Sorry for the inconvenience.  (And yes, I was out in the woods with no cell reception, much less internet.)</p>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/10/06/redstate-book-notes/comment-page-1/#comment-35233</link>
		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe adjust the settings to a lower threshold?

I&#039;ve been assuming that when you say &#039;clear the history&#039; you mean clearing the local disk cache. I know at least through version 7 IE tended to default to 10% of the disk which these days is way too big. I tend to set it down around 70M. If it is the actual History that you are clearing you should be able to reduce that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe adjust the settings to a lower threshold?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been assuming that when you say &#8216;clear the history&#8217; you mean clearing the local disk cache. I know at least through version 7 IE tended to default to 10% of the disk which these days is way too big. I tend to set it down around 70M. If it is the actual History that you are clearing you should be able to reduce that too.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>back to a more conservative stance.  I agree with you, though, that in practice, the Catholic Church in the US ranges from liberal to outright socialist/liberationist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back to a more conservative stance.  I agree with you, though, that in practice, the Catholic Church in the US ranges from liberal to outright socialist/liberationist.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe_Cor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe_Cor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not the Catholic Church I know.  It&#039;s more like &quot;still, and overwhelmingly.&quot;  The Catholic Church has a decidedly socialist mindset, and culture of life issues take a back seat to it.  The most stridently pro-abortion members of the House and Senate are predominantly Catholic, but socialist.  The Church does nothing about it.  (If I hadn&#039;t known already, Obama&#039;s strident pro-abortionism would have lead me to guess he&#039;s probably a Catholic.)  Obama received an honorary doctorate from Notre Dame.  Seven priests con-celebrated Ted (Senator Abortion) Kennedy&#039;s funeral, and a Catholic Cardinal lavished him with praise at it.  Over half of all American Catholics voted for Obama.  I&#039;d be interested to know the percentages for priests and bishops, but I&#039;d guess it&#039;s well over half.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the Catholic Church I know.  It&#8217;s more like &#8220;still, and overwhelmingly.&#8221;  The Catholic Church has a decidedly socialist mindset, and culture of life issues take a back seat to it.  The most stridently pro-abortion members of the House and Senate are predominantly Catholic, but socialist.  The Church does nothing about it.  (If I hadn&#8217;t known already, Obama&#8217;s strident pro-abortionism would have lead me to guess he&#8217;s probably a Catholic.)  Obama received an honorary doctorate from Notre Dame.  Seven priests con-celebrated Ted (Senator Abortion) Kennedy&#8217;s funeral, and a Catholic Cardinal lavished him with praise at it.  Over half of all American Catholics voted for Obama.  I&#8217;d be interested to know the percentages for priests and bishops, but I&#8217;d guess it&#8217;s well over half.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the operational level, most of the brand name Prostestant churches and until recently the Catholic Church at all levels in the US were decidedly liberal.  It is easy to apply a socialist/communist overlay to a lot of Christian teaching and the Left has done a pretty good job of co-opting much of mainstream Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the operational level, most of the brand name Prostestant churches and until recently the Catholic Church at all levels in the US were decidedly liberal.  It is easy to apply a socialist/communist overlay to a lot of Christian teaching and the Left has done a pretty good job of co-opting much of mainstream Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: danasdaddy</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Book Notes idea is a tremendous one.  I&#039;m always looking for reading recommendations!

I do like the idea of a separate section of the page for the Book Notes comments, though.  A separate section would make it much easier to find the posts/comments than trying to search for a tag.  Also, the idea of using tags is a little faulty, since some will invariably forget to add the tag (indicting myself here as well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Book Notes idea is a tremendous one.  I&#8217;m always looking for reading recommendations!</p>
<p>I do like the idea of a separate section of the page for the Book Notes comments, though.  A separate section would make it much easier to find the posts/comments than trying to search for a tag.  Also, the idea of using tags is a little faulty, since some will invariably forget to add the tag (indicting myself here as well).</p>
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		<title>By: mamacee</title>
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		<dc:creator>mamacee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in especially since I already have 4 of the books and have read 3 of them. I will finally get all the way through the Federalist Papers.</description>
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		<title>By: mattikyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattikyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely want to participate.  It is good to believe in what is right, and even better to present it to others with logic.</description>
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		<title>By: Finrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;John Stuart Mill of his own free will of a half a pint of shandy was particularly ill&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is just so handy to flip from program to program and I use all of them, so another browser would pretty much be just for RedState.  As long as I clear the history fairly frequently, I can get IE to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is just so handy to flip from program to program and I use all of them, so another browser would pretty much be just for RedState.  As long as I clear the history fairly frequently, I can get IE to work.</p>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The_Gadfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>The_Gadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>try downloading and installing Firefox.</description>
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		<title>By: E Pluribus Unum</title>
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		<dc:creator>E Pluribus Unum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By John Stormer, the 1964 version.  That one would get you banned from most &quot;polite,&quot; read liberal, company back in the day and was practically a Bible for the Birchers.  Nonetheless, the left can&#039;t refute it, they just yell loudly when you point it out.  Also, new authoritative scholarship since the fall of the Soviet Union has belied most of the liberal claims that many famous personages weren&#039;t communists or fellow travellers, see, e.g., &quot;Spies&quot; by Haynes, Keller, and Vassilov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By John Stormer, the 1964 version.  That one would get you banned from most &#8220;polite,&#8221; read liberal, company back in the day and was practically a Bible for the Birchers.  Nonetheless, the left can&#8217;t refute it, they just yell loudly when you point it out.  Also, new authoritative scholarship since the fall of the Soviet Union has belied most of the liberal claims that many famous personages weren&#8217;t communists or fellow travellers, see, e.g., &#8220;Spies&#8221; by Haynes, Keller, and Vassilov.</p>
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		<title>By: cowgirl_from_hell</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowgirl_from_hell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberty vs the Tyranny of Socialism by Walter E. Williams
(this one is AMAZING - just bought it yesterday and couldn&#039;t put it down until I was done)

The Revolt of the Masses by Jose&#039; Ortega y Gasset

The Naked Communist by W. Cleon Skousen

Patriots by James Wesley, Rawles

I know you can get the first 2 @Barnes and Noble, but the others you have to buy on Amazon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberty vs the Tyranny of Socialism by Walter E. Williams<br />
(this one is AMAZING &#8211; just bought it yesterday and couldn&#8217;t put it down until I was done)</p>
<p>The Revolt of the Masses by Jose&#8217; Ortega y Gasset</p>
<p>The Naked Communist by W. Cleon Skousen</p>
<p>Patriots by James Wesley, Rawles</p>
<p>I know you can get the first 2 @Barnes and Noble, but the others you have to buy on Amazon</p>
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