Comments on: Supporting the Conservative Fighting Four http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/ Thu, 16 Feb 2012 05:19:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: chong http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32500 chong Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:35:12 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32500 Just wondering out loud. Shouldn't we try to focus on a strong state governor who can clean the state up and then get our states to demand for our rights back. If I am following this correctly, states used to have lot more power than federal. They had been selling our rights away as more money was being ask for to help with "emergencies". If we can get the states to self sustaining, we won't be needing help from the federal government. Shrinking the government is on all of us, that include the conservatives from all spectrum of politic. Texas sounds like it is on its way, I will work to get Georgia toward that. Hope all of you will do the same. Easiest way to fix Washington right now, vote them all out for this cycle. They can attempt to come back the cycle after next, when they have re-evaluated their principles. Just wondering out loud. Shouldn’t we try to focus on a strong state governor who can clean the state up and then get our states to demand for our rights back. If I am following this correctly, states used to have lot more power than federal. They had been selling our rights away as more money was being ask for to help with “emergencies”. If we can get the states to self sustaining, we won’t be needing help from the federal government. Shrinking the government is on all of us, that include the conservatives from all spectrum of politic. Texas sounds like it is on its way, I will work to get Georgia toward that. Hope all of you will do the same.

Easiest way to fix Washington right now, vote them all out for this cycle. They can attempt to come back the cycle after next, when they have re-evaluated their principles.

]]> By: chong http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32493 chong Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:43:17 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32493 Lets not hope or wish him harm, we can encourage others to vote him out. My reason for wanting him out is simply he has been too long, any good intentions he or other political leaders had is probably long gone. Now they are just there for the money and power. That is the unfortunate failure of mankind. That quote comes to mind "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely", that probably describe most if not all our the political "leaders" or servants. Lets not hope or wish him harm, we can encourage others to vote him out. My reason for wanting him out is simply he has been too long, any good intentions he or other political leaders had is probably long gone. Now they are just there for the money and power. That is the unfortunate failure of mankind. That quote comes to mind “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”, that probably describe most if not all our the political “leaders” or servants.

]]> By: The_Gadfly http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32482 The_Gadfly Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:31:19 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32482 He isn't the "electable" candidate, he <b>is</b> the conservative candidate. He's the one who twice went up against Specter in the primary. And once again this cycle the NRSC was set to endorse his opponent, Snarlen Arlen, except that after looking at his internal polling numbers, Snarlen decided to jump ship. After the first fight, in which the Republican leadership told Santorum to knife Toomey in the back, Toomey went off and founded a PAC that has supported and helped conservative candidates win elections. Which is more than I can say for Snarlen. Yeah, I would have voted differently on Cuba and Medicare prescription drug benefit, but I don't consider Cuba essential. While I feel more strongly about Medicare, I also know PA is a graying commonwealth and no elected politician for it is going to vote against that constituency. We can't let the perfect become the obstacle to significant improvement. Toomey is a heck of a lot better than half a loaf, or voting right once a term. And the comparison to McCain is simply beyond the pale. He isn’t the “electable” candidate, he is the conservative candidate. He’s the one who twice went up against Specter in the primary. And once again this cycle the NRSC was set to endorse his opponent, Snarlen Arlen, except that after looking at his internal polling numbers, Snarlen decided to jump ship. After the first fight, in which the Republican leadership told Santorum to knife Toomey in the back, Toomey went off and founded a PAC that has supported and helped conservative candidates win elections. Which is more than I can say for Snarlen.

Yeah, I would have voted differently on Cuba and Medicare prescription drug benefit, but I don’t consider Cuba essential. While I feel more strongly about Medicare, I also know PA is a graying commonwealth and no elected politician for it is going to vote against that constituency. We can’t let the perfect become the obstacle to significant improvement. Toomey is a heck of a lot better than half a loaf, or voting right once a term. And the comparison to McCain is simply beyond the pale.

]]> By: redtillimdead http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32430 redtillimdead Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:36:49 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32430 How does donating to Pat Toomey and Michael Williams say screw the NRSC? Toomey was endorsed by NRSC and they haven't made any sort of comment in TX. How does donating to Pat Toomey and Michael Williams say screw the NRSC? Toomey was endorsed by NRSC and they haven’t made any sort of comment in TX.

]]> By: Mayhem http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32429 Mayhem Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:27:08 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32429 Is there any way to get that tacked up to the top of the page? And maybe get it to also show the dollars donated so far? Is there any way to get that tacked up to the top of the page? And maybe get it to also show the dollars donated so far?

]]> By: Return to Revolution http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32403 Return to Revolution Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:18:14 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32403 I hear you on your basic point but I'm still struggling to put Toomey in the same camp as folks like Charlie Crist. I've been using ACU's ratings a lot since I haven't followed individual pols that closely in the past. Based on the numbers I see, it does look like I will have to do some more thorough research. At first glance, Toomey looks like a solid conservative: he has a lifetime ACU score of 92 (out of 100). At the same time they also gave Santorum a lifetime rating of 87, which I think is high. http://www.acuratings.org/ratingsarchive/2003/2003House.htm I hear you on your basic point but I’m still struggling to put Toomey in the same camp as folks like Charlie Crist. I’ve been using ACU’s ratings a lot since I haven’t followed individual pols that closely in the past. Based on the numbers I see, it does look like I will have to do some more thorough research. At first glance, Toomey looks like a solid conservative: he has a lifetime ACU score of 92 (out of 100). At the same time they also gave Santorum a lifetime rating of 87, which I think is high.

http://www.acuratings.org/ratingsarchive/2003/2003House.htm

]]> By: aesthete http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32373 aesthete Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:44:09 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32373 Esp. under this administration. If you think that you'll get anything but a tool that populist/statist economic illiterates can use to bash monetary policy as a whole and conservatism with, you've got another thing coming. On abortion, the cases where a pol has to vote on an abortion bill are exceedingly rare, and the big legislative one (Partial Birth act) has already gone through. Essentially, it comes down to judges, and even though Toomey's less than stellar on that issue, his fiscal and foreign policy stances (which will come up for debate far more often than a SC nomination) are fantastic. Esp. under this administration. If you think that you’ll get anything but a tool that populist/statist economic illiterates can use to bash monetary policy as a whole and conservatism with, you’ve got another thing coming. On abortion, the cases where a pol has to vote on an abortion bill are exceedingly rare, and the big legislative one (Partial Birth act) has already gone through. Essentially, it comes down to judges, and even though Toomey’s less than stellar on that issue, his fiscal and foreign policy stances (which will come up for debate far more often than a SC nomination) are fantastic.

]]> By: pfarrer http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32322 pfarrer Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:33:09 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32322 Please consider adding Ryan Frazier to this one or the next one. It was revealed today that the NRSC is raising money for tax-hiking, wash-up Jane Norton after explicitly lying to everyone in the state and saying they weren't going to intervene. http://www.frazierforcolorado.com/ Please consider adding Ryan Frazier to this one or the next one. It was revealed today that the NRSC is raising money for tax-hiking, wash-up Jane Norton after explicitly lying to everyone in the state and saying they weren’t going to intervene.

http://www.frazierforcolorado.com/

]]> By: eburke http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32315 eburke Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:06:36 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32315 NRSC, encourage my politically active friends to do the same, and send back every postage paid envelope back with a note in it expressing my 'displeasure' with the National RINO Senatorial Committee. NRSC, encourage my politically active friends to do the same, and send back every postage paid envelope back with a note in it expressing my ‘displeasure’ with the National RINO Senatorial Committee.

]]> By: SE-779 http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32313 SE-779 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:54:09 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32313 On Toomey. Guy's not a genuine Conservative. If anything, he's a squishy Moderate like John McCain. Toomey is squishy on Abortion, supported Sonia Sotemayor for SCOTUS, and does not support the Independent Audit the Fed Bill that will be put up for a vote in October. Peg Lusisk is the real Conservative in this race, and she needs our support in this race in order to win. Many people have dismissed her as unelectabe. Well, she's unelectable if you don't give her the chance to prove herself. Sure I thought she was unelectable for some time, but what really matters is getting real Conservatives in office such as Peg Lusisk, Marco Rubio, Chuck DeVore, Michael Williams, John Oxendine, Ryan Frazier, Ovide LaMontage, Tom Graves, and Peter Schiff, not "electable" candidates such as Pat Toomey, Charlie Crist, Carly Fiorina, Elizabeth Ames Jones, Karen Handel, Jane Norton, Kelly Ayotte, Lee Hawkins, and Rob Simmons. Conservative candidates get things done, "electable" candidates embarass our party. If you want to hold these seats, you must reform your party. That is all. On Toomey. Guy’s not a genuine Conservative. If anything, he’s a squishy Moderate like John McCain. Toomey is squishy on Abortion, supported Sonia Sotemayor for SCOTUS, and does not support the Independent Audit the Fed Bill that will be put up for a vote in October. Peg Lusisk is the real Conservative in this race, and she needs our support in this race in order to win. Many people have dismissed her as unelectabe. Well, she’s unelectable if you don’t give her the chance to prove herself. Sure I thought she was unelectable for some time, but what really matters is getting real Conservatives in office such as Peg Lusisk, Marco Rubio, Chuck DeVore, Michael Williams, John Oxendine, Ryan Frazier, Ovide LaMontage, Tom Graves, and Peter Schiff, not “electable” candidates such as Pat Toomey, Charlie Crist, Carly Fiorina, Elizabeth Ames Jones, Karen Handel, Jane Norton, Kelly Ayotte, Lee Hawkins, and Rob Simmons. Conservative candidates get things done, “electable” candidates embarass our party. If you want to hold these seats, you must reform your party. That is all.

]]> By: NightTwister http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32309 NightTwister Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:30:57 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32309 Cleve Tidwell, and now Jane Norton are candidates. Tom Wiens has an exploratory committee. I like Ken Buck, I really do, but I honestly believe only Ryan Frazier has the right platform to win during this cycle. Cleve Tidwell, and now Jane Norton are candidates. Tom Wiens has an exploratory committee.

I like Ken Buck, I really do, but I honestly believe only Ryan Frazier has the right platform to win during this cycle.

]]> By: NightTwister http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32308 NightTwister Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:29:19 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32308 Apparently, <a href="http://bendegrow.com/2009/tilting-the-field-nrsc-fundraising-staff-raise-jane-nortons-d-c-money-too/#more-6760">the NRSC is going to backdoor their endorsement of Jane Norton</a>. We simply cannot allow Washington insiders to dictate our candidate to us. The grassroots backlash against Norton will be significant, and if this doesn't stop it will guarantee another 6 years of Democrat control of both Colorado Senate seats. Apparently, the NRSC is going to backdoor their endorsement of Jane Norton. We simply cannot allow Washington insiders to dictate our candidate to us. The grassroots backlash against Norton will be significant, and if this doesn’t stop it will guarantee another 6 years of Democrat control of both Colorado Senate seats.

]]> By: eburke http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32307 eburke Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:27:33 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32307 than Buck, the only other announced candidate. Not only that, then the 'racist' party can have 2 African-American candidates and we can watch the MSM's collective heads explode. Better yet - I have a dream.....to see Senator Byrd at a Senate luncheon flanked on both sides by Senators Williams & Frazier. Heh. Heh. than Buck, the only other announced candidate.

Not only that, then the ‘racist’ party can have 2 African-American candidates and we can watch the MSM’s collective heads explode.

Better yet – I have a dream…..to see Senator Byrd at a Senate luncheon flanked on both sides by Senators Williams & Frazier.

Heh. Heh.

]]> By: cmw http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32305 cmw Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:20:54 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32305 http://www.dewhurst.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6141 Michael Williams is an excellent choice for Texas Senate. Right now, I think the only thing that could stop him is KBH deciding her chances in the Gov race are not good and staying put in the Senate. By the way, I'm in one of those house districts that will switch from D to R this year (Texas 17). When the House version of this rolls around, keep us in mind :). It's in my signature ... http://www.dewhurst.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6141

Michael Williams is an excellent choice for Texas Senate. Right now, I think the only thing that could stop him is KBH deciding her chances in the Gov race are not good and staying put in the Senate.

By the way, I’m in one of those house districts that will switch from D to R this year (Texas 17). When the House version of this rolls around, keep us in mind :) . It’s in my signature …

]]> By: NightTwister http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32304 NightTwister Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:18:20 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32304 After the NRSC backed off of support for Norton, now the <a href="http://bendegrow.com/2009/is-denver-post-trying-to-help-clear-the-field-for-jane-norton-too/">Denver Post is trying to pre-select our candidate for us</a>. The netroots in Colorado is fairly unanimous that Ryan Frazier has the best chance to unseat Michael Bennet. He just needs money to get some name recognition and get his message out to more Coloradans. After the NRSC backed off of support for Norton, now the Denver Post is trying to pre-select our candidate for us. The netroots in Colorado is fairly unanimous that Ryan Frazier has the best chance to unseat Michael Bennet. He just needs money to get some name recognition and get his message out to more Coloradans.

]]> By: Section9 http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32301 Section9 Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:41:24 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32301 The Bend Over and Grab Your Ankles Senate wants our money? Not on thin dime! Great idea, Eric. However, I heard that Williams' primary opponent is David Dewhurst, the Lt. Gov. who apparently has gobs of cash and has a lock on the nomination, at least according to what one Texan friend of mine says. As much as I like Marco, I'm still not sure about his chances against Charlie. YET, there may be a chance that Crist peaked early. The appointment of LeMeiux was probably a blunder, given the fact that LeMeiux was a Crist toady. Appointing someone like Jim Scott (or, say, Bobby Bowdern ^_^) would have been the safer bet. The Bend Over and Grab Your Ankles Senate wants our money?

Not on thin dime! Great idea, Eric. However, I heard that Williams’ primary opponent is David Dewhurst, the Lt. Gov. who apparently has gobs of cash and has a lock on the nomination, at least according to what one Texan friend of mine says.

As much as I like Marco, I’m still not sure about his chances against Charlie. YET, there may be a chance that Crist peaked early. The appointment of LeMeiux was probably a blunder, given the fact that LeMeiux was a Crist toady. Appointing someone like Jim Scott (or, say, Bobby Bowdern ^_^) would have been the safer bet.

]]> By: naraht http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/14/supporting-the-conservative-fighting-four/comment-page-1/#comment-32300 naraht Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:28:01 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=3515#comment-32300 As best as I can tell, the other three (DeVore, Toomey and Williams) are likely to be the favorites in their Republican Primaries, does anyone have any information otherwise? Also, is there any problem with giving money to Williams given that theoretically, his candidacy is for a 2012 run since KBH hasn't yet resigned? As best as I can tell, the other three (DeVore, Toomey and Williams) are likely to be the favorites in their Republican Primaries, does anyone have any information otherwise?

Also, is there any problem with giving money to Williams given that theoretically, his candidacy is for a 2012 run since KBH hasn’t yet resigned?

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