I would like to see a plan, that allows for interstate competition. I wouldl like to see plan that states that insurance companies cannot outright deny a person for a preexisting condition, but can charge 20% above their prime candiate rate for someone with a history of having health insurance, and up to 40% to those who do not have a history of paying for insurance, (Figure the company needs to get something for the fact that they are going to be paying for the preexisting condition, a hell of better deal than a car insurer would give someone, if they wrapped their car around a tree, and then called Geico). I would like to see a plan that includes tort reform so scumbags like John Edwards can’t get multi million dollar awards for fooling 12 people who wouldn’t know a spleen from an eyelash, and I would like to be able to have HSA’s that I can save from year to year, that gain interest and can be transferred to next of kin if I shuffle off the mortal coil.

should be spelled out in the bill then? That’s our whole point here.

I understand that something could be better with healthcare in this nation as far as cost goes, but what is the question. And is there another way other than the full force of the Gov.

NO ONE is supporting the status quo. Did your true political leanings just come through?

And a constant tinkerer to boot.

The tinkering concept is what has brought us to this point. From Teddy’s proclamation of HC being a job of the Gov’t to the Great Society to the myriad of little changes made by the Kennedy’s and other DC establishment. All the while health care costs rose.

Maybe instead of doing more tinkering we should say full stop. Start repealing stuff…you know take out variables in order to have a predictable result, rather than increasing variables and having no credible chance of predicting results.

first, the Federal Government is risk adverse to the point of paralysis, even building a weapon system for the purpose of killing has gotten to the point of impossible because of all of the bureacratic nightmare that I have to go through.

second, you’re right the point is debatable, the federal government has no obligation to pay for catastrophic illness and medical illness. One of those little costs of liberty, it is a crying shame that disease and accidents happen but the price should not be forced on the whole populace. I think people are missing one huge thing that doesn’t exist catastrophic health insurance with a high deductable and no medical maintenance coverage. You pay for your preventative medicine. No need to go into this since this will never happen in the new U.S.S.A mindset.

third, you should be skeptical of GOVERNMENTS ability to control costs, period for private and public. Through regulation both state and federal drives cost of private insurance.

fourth, why can’t this be tried at the state level rather than the federal. If it doesn’t work at the State forget the Federal.

fifth, I agree that Dr’s can not be expected to enforce immigration law, that’s the point, how will Government control costs if it has no way to control access.

sixth, one, five and ten years out is too late because the fence will have been built and the mass has become dependent, look at the UK do they ever argue about eliminating the NHS?

Seventh, Opportunity cost, the Government is one big opportunity cost, the Government consumes it does not create capital.

Therefore, I see way too many problems with this, once executed there is no turning back, we’re finished as an free society. How, because once government pays, it will demand controlling your choices to keep costs lower, that includes the food you eat and the lifestyle you lead.

Read these meat and potatoes, the ambit of Congressional authority according to the limited, enumerated powers granted to Congress by Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution:

Article I, Section 8:

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;–And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section8

Which of these words provide authority to tax me to pay for someone else’s healthcare?

Let’s start the debate here.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior

If you want to move the goalposts that’s fine. I don’t mind you confirming my assumption that you are being disingenuous.