First, McCain is anything but wandering…He’s a self professed defender of the environment who supports Cap and Trade. It could be argued we’d be worse off with him because the Republicans on the hill would be silent and let him pass Cap and Trade…it would have been done by now if he were president…He’s a compromiser by nature and we’d likely have the porkulous bill passed with a Republicans attached…I’m not sure if he’d have gone along with the bailouts but he did vote for Tarp and if he’d have done along with nationalizing GM and Crystler…but he’d have gon along with the Democrat Congress and saddled the Republican Party with the blame by puting a Republicn signature on the Dems bills.

Second…Congressional Republicans would have voted en mass for Cap And Trade and for other elements of the democrat bills passed because they would want to go along with a Republican President and help pass, “His Agenda”.

Third, we’d likely be fighting tooth an nail right now to stop him for pushing immigration reform down our throats….

bottom line is this…I do believe there are instances when having a liberal Republican in office does us more harm than having a Dem there…I’m not saying that’s the case with all RINOs as Neil makes it sound…I don’t want to run ALL RINOs out of the party as he would have everyone believe…nor do I or any who think like me 100%ers who want to destroy anyone who doesn’t agree with us on every single issue…all those arguments are straw man and red herrings.

But I do want to take an honest look at the consequences of electing anyone with an R by his name no matter what their policies would be in office just because they have an R by their name. I’ve been around this game for 20 + years…and I’ve watched this for all that time…and we’ve gained nothing by having people like Snowe, Specter, and Collins up there selling us under the bus and giving blue dog Dems cover every time we have a close vote on a fundamental issue!

It’s like saying George Washington shouldn’t fire Benedict Arnold because he’d been a good soldier in the past…and by getting rid of him…we wouldn’t have enough Generals to fight the British…losing him was painful to be sure…the hero of Saratoga turning against the country he’d fought so bravely for…but to have him in a position to help the British in battle after battle would have been foolish….but then we are faced here by sane, smart and rational people saying just that where the Benedict Arnolds in our midst are concerned.

Use the anger constructively. Fight the good fight. Hold the RINO-esque NRSC’s feet to the fire. But for heaven’s sake, go vote AGAINST the leftist Dem!

You don’t have to love the Republican; you only need to realize that there are very real, highly consequential stakes in the general election, and if you can’t vote for the perfect candidate, you must vote against the awful one.

Hell’s bells, I haven’t voted FOR a president since 1984. Every vote since then has been AGAINST the liberal/leftist Democrat. And that is every bit as valid a use of my franchise as anything else. My vote against Dukakis helped this republic. So did my vote against Gore and against Kerry. And if more conservatives had stopped pouting and gone to the polls to vote against Obama, we wouldn’t be in this current mess.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

You’re a hoot. Really. I’d link you to my Rubio donation online but the resources I can find only list donors of $200 and up.

Without Specter and Snow there is no stimulus…without Kirk Cap and Tax doesn’t pass the House…

And I’m not convinced things are as simplistic as everyone paints it…We’re seeing the country repulsed by what’s being done in Washington and desperately looking around for an alternative. I don’t think the red blue thing is what it was 9 months ago…and what’s got me so worked up is seeing the party refuse to be the alternative the public is so desperately seeking!

Hopefully that is starting to change.

All I see is people making excuses for them…and demanding that we shut up and get in line…then I have a moderator calling me a fifth column and socialist sympathizer when nothing could be farther from the truth!

I must say I’m disappointed in you after that and you’ve fallen a notch in my respect for you which I’ve always held despite our disagreements…

as for GOTCHA…the only person you got with that one was Neil

We have a better chance of making them “real” Republicans if they are in office.

did that work with Specter?…Jeffords?…any of the other Judas Republicans we’ve had who sold us out for 30 pieces of silver?

Another issue I don’t know if anyone has touched on it is: Every time we stay home and yet another leftist gets elected, we reinforce the status quo of liberal representation and it makes it harder to win the next time around.

wasn’t true when Carter got elected…wasn’t true when Clinton got elected…and here we are 9 months into the Obama administration and people are itching to vote for someone who can stop him.

But what are we discussing now?…we’re discussing how the Republican Party has the gas peddle to the floor recruiting and promoting liberal Republicans at a time when the Tea Partyers and Town Hallers are looking for an alternative to Obama and the the liberal Juggernaut these same party bosses gave us with the appeasement campaigns of 2006 and 2008!

The difference is that I can see that having Barack Obama in the White House is orders of magnitude worse than having a directionless middle-of-the-road-wanderer like John McCain. I did not vote FOR John McCain, but I sure as hell did vote AGAINST Obama.

Want to punish the NRSC for its bad habits? Fine. Do so by getting a conservative through the primary process. But this petulant nonsense of punishing the NRSC by staying home, thereby aiding the effort to push this republic into the socialist cesspool is, quite frankly, ridiculous and self-defeating.

If you can’t get the full loaf, accept half a loaf as being better than none, and then work all the harder to place conservatives on ballots the next time. Join your local Republican organization. Ring doorbells. Send $$$ to deserving candidates. But don’t drive a nail into your own eye and then say, “That’ll show ‘em.”

2006 and 2008?…and now we’re saddling up to do it again in 2010.

By the way…if conservative ideas can’t win anywhere…why exactly is it that the tea parties and the town halls have been so explosive and successful nation wide? We’re out here in the trenches showing the party how it’s done…We’ve stopped the stampede for the moment at least all the while driving the debate along with Obama’s approval numbers into the dirt… We’ve hammered the Dem Congress to the point where even Democrats are freaking out about possibly losing control to Republicans this year…and the bosses are all sitting around ignoring us and plotting the best way to undo everything we’ve done this summer!

I’m going to make a prediction now…Obama is giving his speach right now…and within the next few days…Snowe, Grassley, Ensi, Graham…or some other genious will ride in with a bipartisan solution…I’m not a betting man…but I’m sure of it as I can be…Mark this and remember I told you so…

finally…as for the…We can’t win in blue states with a conservative…let’s say the arguement was that we can’t win in the south without a Klansman…would you be willing to sacrifice what is right and run a Klansman just so you can win?

As far as I’m concerned…we’re faced with the just as bad a choice and arguement…what we’re being told…is that we can’t win in CA and NE unless we run Socialists…and we’re being forced to swallow that choice as the party forces Socialists on us….as far as I’m concerned…a socialist is every bit as bad as any clansman only they use government to lynch their victims…and Crist is a socialist