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		<title>By: adriansoto</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-31050</link>
		<dc:creator>adriansoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 02:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering the “bigger picture”, could it be that Van Jones is simply a “whipping boy” for Obama? Recall that Obama is just as radically caustic as Van Jones, Obama as well as Van Jones was NOT vetted, and criticism has been falling especially hard on Obama now that voters realize the “hopy-changy” Obama was really referring to was COMMUNISM.

Question: Is Obama hoping you’ll see Van Jones as taking the fall for Obama? Or, (attention birthers) is Obama hoping you’ll now let off of Obama’s not qualified status?

Check this out:

Attorney Orly Taitz has filed:

Hearing: Motion for Discovery of records showing relevance to eligibility

Location: Federal Court building in Santa Ana, CA

Time/Date: 8:00 AM Pacific Tuesday, September 8th 2009 (THIS COMING TUESDAY!)*

Judge: David O. Carter

*The day Obama is suppose to go before the Kiddie Tribunal and plead for HELP.

The above news of hearing was reported on KFI 640 on September 5th, 2009. She (Orly) claims Obama is a fake and that she has in her possession, what she calls, the original, genuine, certified Barrack Hussein Obama birth certificate from KENYA.

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering the “bigger picture”, could it be that Van Jones is simply a “whipping boy” for Obama? Recall that Obama is just as radically caustic as Van Jones, Obama as well as Van Jones was NOT vetted, and criticism has been falling especially hard on Obama now that voters realize the “hopy-changy” Obama was really referring to was COMMUNISM.</p>
<p>Question: Is Obama hoping you’ll see Van Jones as taking the fall for Obama? Or, (attention birthers) is Obama hoping you’ll now let off of Obama’s not qualified status?</p>
<p>Check this out:</p>
<p>Attorney Orly Taitz has filed:</p>
<p>Hearing: Motion for Discovery of records showing relevance to eligibility</p>
<p>Location: Federal Court building in Santa Ana, CA</p>
<p>Time/Date: 8:00 AM Pacific Tuesday, September 8th 2009 (THIS COMING TUESDAY!)*</p>
<p>Judge: David O. Carter</p>
<p>*The day Obama is suppose to go before the Kiddie Tribunal and plead for HELP.</p>
<p>The above news of hearing was reported on KFI 640 on September 5th, 2009. She (Orly) claims Obama is a fake and that she has in her possession, what she calls, the original, genuine, certified Barrack Hussein Obama birth certificate from KENYA.</p>
<p>http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/</p>
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		<title>By: aprilnovember811</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30972</link>
		<dc:creator>aprilnovember811</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 12:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://americangrandjury.org/lucas-smith-affidavit-now-filed-with-the-us-district-court-obama-kenyan-bc

Lucas Smith Affidavit now filed with the US District Court - Obama Kenyan BC
September 4th, 2009
As of today, September 4, 2009, this Affidavit has been filed with the United States District Court in Southern California ~ represented by Orly Taitz.

This is a legal affidavit that declares Lucas Smith to be of sound mind and judgment. Lucas can go to jail if he lied on this affidavit.

When Judge Carter in Santa Ana CA was first presented with this case, he didn&#039;t mock anyone, call it frivilous, or dismiss it.  He said he understands the importance of Constitutional eligibility.  He told everyone to be present in his chambers on September 8, 2009 at 8:00AM Pacific Time, and to have their papers in order.  He is a former Marine.

The comparisson between the truthers and birthers, is nothing but an attempt to discredit people who know he is not Natural Born.  I don&#039;t believe for a minute, that GWB had any involvement with people flying planes into buildings, killing thousands of people.  I do believe, especially with his questionable behavior, and pattern of lying, that it is entirely plausible, that he is lying about a simple document.  One that shows he is not Natural Born, as he says he is.</description>
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<p>Lucas Smith Affidavit now filed with the US District Court &#8211; Obama Kenyan BC<br />
September 4th, 2009<br />
As of today, September 4, 2009, this Affidavit has been filed with the United States District Court in Southern California ~ represented by Orly Taitz.</p>
<p>This is a legal affidavit that declares Lucas Smith to be of sound mind and judgment. Lucas can go to jail if he lied on this affidavit.</p>
<p>When Judge Carter in Santa Ana CA was first presented with this case, he didn&#8217;t mock anyone, call it frivilous, or dismiss it.  He said he understands the importance of Constitutional eligibility.  He told everyone to be present in his chambers on September 8, 2009 at 8:00AM Pacific Time, and to have their papers in order.  He is a former Marine.</p>
<p>The comparisson between the truthers and birthers, is nothing but an attempt to discredit people who know he is not Natural Born.  I don&#8217;t believe for a minute, that GWB had any involvement with people flying planes into buildings, killing thousands of people.  I do believe, especially with his questionable behavior, and pattern of lying, that it is entirely plausible, that he is lying about a simple document.  One that shows he is not Natural Born, as he says he is.</p>
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		<title>By: JadedByPolitics</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30932</link>
		<dc:creator>JadedByPolitics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 16:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>his legitimacy we will be questioning his socialist takeover of our healthcare industry and the billions paid to Wall Street.  WE don&#039;t have time for trite bs that you and your lemmings espouse.  WE are going to be taken seriously and let me tell you if I see a group of you idiots in DC I will be having my way with your crazy......you know what!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>his legitimacy we will be questioning his socialist takeover of our healthcare industry and the billions paid to Wall Street.  WE don&#8217;t have time for trite bs that you and your lemmings espouse.  WE are going to be taken seriously and let me tell you if I see a group of you idiots in DC I will be having my way with your crazy&#8230;&#8230;you know what!</p>
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		<title>By: njre</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30927</link>
		<dc:creator>njre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 14:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;This whole ‘birther’ issue has shown the flaws in the SoS powers at the state level to block / require proof of eligibility.&#039;
Actually, the flaws are at all levels of the electorate process. It all started at the DNC:
the chairperson, N. Pelosi swore to state of Hawaii that Obama is legally qualified  to be the presidential candidate according to the constitution, although she has never vetted Obama (the only doc provided was the digital image of COLB on Obama&#039;s own website, no hard-copy original birth cert. with conclusive evidence of his place of birth), and although the DNC has by-laws stating that the presidential candidate must be constitutionally eligible.
The states all claimed that they are not responsible for vetting candidates, that they simply relied on the DNC/RNC&#039;s nomination paper.
Then the electors passed the bucks, then Congress passed the bucks, then all courts and supreme court hide behind &#039;no standing&#039; excuse to avoid the issue entirely, then VP Cheney did not observe the rule in giving  congress a chance to raise &#039;objection&#039; at &#039;counting of the votes&#039;........  
Those are the electorate process flaws.
The biased mainstream media&#039;s brain-washing of the populace steering voters towards Obama, and, the corrupt to the core powerful political and financial machine behind Obama completed the job. From voter intimidation to voter fraud to massive illegal campaign contributions to perfectly-timed manufactured financial crisis......The shadow handlers utilized every means possible to make sure no one brought attention to the voters of Obama&#039;s lack of constitutional qaulification.

The &#039;birther&#039;,  who are the &#039;dualers&#039; now ( they are challengers of  Obama&#039;s dual citizenship rather than Obama&#039;s birthright.) have been asking this question for a year. The rampant corruption at all levels of government and the biased msm have been doing everything in their powers to prevent  the &#039;dualers&#039;  from getting the answer.
However, the &#039;dualers&#039; relentless efforts have cracked the great wall of silence in the media spaces, at congress and in the general population.

The Americans will not tolerate a usurper destroying America from within!

Please see 
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19423184/Who-Are-the-Patriot-Birthers-v3
for a long list of &#039;birthers&#039; of all political persuasion seeking the truth behind the secrets that Obama is hiding.

The time is ripe for getting to the heart of the matter - Obama must answer  the &#039;dualers&#039; question - he must prove himself constitutionally eligible to be POTUS! 

So come all ye patriot marchers at DC on 9/12 - bring your &#039;dualer&#039; signs, ask the question boldly for the answer that coward Obama refuses to answer!
We are beyond anti-tax, anti-spending, anti-socialism or fascism. Obama must asnwer the question once and for all with conclusive evidences!

Bring a letter to congress to demand they follow up by investigating Obama&#039;s eligibility!

Let us do it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;This whole ‘birther’ issue has shown the flaws in the SoS powers at the state level to block / require proof of eligibility.&#8217;<br />
Actually, the flaws are at all levels of the electorate process. It all started at the DNC:<br />
the chairperson, N. Pelosi swore to state of Hawaii that Obama is legally qualified  to be the presidential candidate according to the constitution, although she has never vetted Obama (the only doc provided was the digital image of COLB on Obama&#8217;s own website, no hard-copy original birth cert. with conclusive evidence of his place of birth), and although the DNC has by-laws stating that the presidential candidate must be constitutionally eligible.<br />
The states all claimed that they are not responsible for vetting candidates, that they simply relied on the DNC/RNC&#8217;s nomination paper.<br />
Then the electors passed the bucks, then Congress passed the bucks, then all courts and supreme court hide behind &#8216;no standing&#8217; excuse to avoid the issue entirely, then VP Cheney did not observe the rule in giving  congress a chance to raise &#8216;objection&#8217; at &#8216;counting of the votes&#8217;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
Those are the electorate process flaws.<br />
The biased mainstream media&#8217;s brain-washing of the populace steering voters towards Obama, and, the corrupt to the core powerful political and financial machine behind Obama completed the job. From voter intimidation to voter fraud to massive illegal campaign contributions to perfectly-timed manufactured financial crisis&#8230;&#8230;The shadow handlers utilized every means possible to make sure no one brought attention to the voters of Obama&#8217;s lack of constitutional qaulification.</p>
<p>The &#8216;birther&#8217;,  who are the &#8216;dualers&#8217; now ( they are challengers of  Obama&#8217;s dual citizenship rather than Obama&#8217;s birthright.) have been asking this question for a year. The rampant corruption at all levels of government and the biased msm have been doing everything in their powers to prevent  the &#8216;dualers&#8217;  from getting the answer.<br />
However, the &#8216;dualers&#8217; relentless efforts have cracked the great wall of silence in the media spaces, at congress and in the general population.</p>
<p>The Americans will not tolerate a usurper destroying America from within!</p>
<p>Please see<br />
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19423184/Who-Are-the-Patriot-Birthers-v3<br />
for a long list of &#8216;birthers&#8217; of all political persuasion seeking the truth behind the secrets that Obama is hiding.</p>
<p>The time is ripe for getting to the heart of the matter &#8211; Obama must answer  the &#8216;dualers&#8217; question &#8211; he must prove himself constitutionally eligible to be POTUS! </p>
<p>So come all ye patriot marchers at DC on 9/12 &#8211; bring your &#8216;dualer&#8217; signs, ask the question boldly for the answer that coward Obama refuses to answer!<br />
We are beyond anti-tax, anti-spending, anti-socialism or fascism. Obama must asnwer the question once and for all with conclusive evidences!</p>
<p>Bring a letter to congress to demand they follow up by investigating Obama&#8217;s eligibility!</p>
<p>Let us do it!</p>
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		<title>By: 6eorge Jetson</title>
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		<dc:creator>6eorge Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>about the AP, not Sarah.  Blatant fact omission.

When you got in a hissie fit in that thread (that you claim to be hallowed ground), what did you expect me to do?

While I was pissed at you, I forgot where I was for a second.  I would have deleted the Sarah Palin clap clap if I could have gone back.

But if you would have just left it alone, the AP omits $2,000,000 on a story thats front paged by Yahoo while reporting on the $150,000, the shouting match in your thread would never occurred.

Challenge someone to a fight, you better expect a response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about the AP, not Sarah.  Blatant fact omission.</p>
<p>When you got in a hissie fit in that thread (that you claim to be hallowed ground), what did you expect me to do?</p>
<p>While I was pissed at you, I forgot where I was for a second.  I would have deleted the Sarah Palin clap clap if I could have gone back.</p>
<p>But if you would have just left it alone, the AP omits $2,000,000 on a story thats front paged by Yahoo while reporting on the $150,000, the shouting match in your thread would never occurred.</p>
<p>Challenge someone to a fight, you better expect a response.</p>
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		<title>By: 6eorge Jetson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30919</link>
		<dc:creator>6eorge Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nt</description>
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		<title>By: DKing</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30917</link>
		<dc:creator>DKing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of President Bush&#039;s embarrassment over his DUI of long ago. No one, even the liberals didn&#039;t care. But by not mentioning it until it exploded on the scene election eve, it cost him, in my opinion the popular vote.    I am sure President Obama, as has been stated above is hiding a personal embarrassment. I have a dream an enterprising reporter uncovers the source document on the eve of the 2012 elections! ha,ha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of President Bush&#8217;s embarrassment over his DUI of long ago. No one, even the liberals didn&#8217;t care. But by not mentioning it until it exploded on the scene election eve, it cost him, in my opinion the popular vote.    I am sure President Obama, as has been stated above is hiding a personal embarrassment. I have a dream an enterprising reporter uncovers the source document on the eve of the 2012 elections! ha,ha</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30911</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sort of the converse of Occam&#039;s Razor.

Let&#039;s call it &quot;Johnt&#039;s Discriminator.&quot;

In the case of the two Presidents, one thesis clearly fails.  The other one fails too, but you have to think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of the converse of Occam&#8217;s Razor.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s call it &#8220;Johnt&#8217;s Discriminator.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the case of the two Presidents, one thesis clearly fails.  The other one fails too, but you have to think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: skorrent1</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30892</link>
		<dc:creator>skorrent1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Courtesy of the birthers, is that:

*BHO, Sr was enrolled in Hawaii spring and fall, &#039;61, and spring &#039;62.

*SADO skipped the spring &#039;61 semester.

*BHO, Sr maintained his own address in Hawaii while the address in Junior&#039;s newspaper birth announcements was the Dunhams&#039;.

*SADO and Junior showed up in Seattle a fortnight after his birth so she could attend classes at UW.

*BHO, Sr hied himself off to Harvard and thence to Kenya without his family.

From which we can reasonably conclude that the &quot;Father&quot; of Junior&#039;s &quot;Dreams&quot; was little more than a sperm donor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Courtesy of the birthers, is that:</p>
<p>*BHO, Sr was enrolled in Hawaii spring and fall, &#8217;61, and spring &#8217;62.</p>
<p>*SADO skipped the spring &#8217;61 semester.</p>
<p>*BHO, Sr maintained his own address in Hawaii while the address in Junior&#8217;s newspaper birth announcements was the Dunhams&#8217;.</p>
<p>*SADO and Junior showed up in Seattle a fortnight after his birth so she could attend classes at UW.</p>
<p>*BHO, Sr hied himself off to Harvard and thence to Kenya without his family.</p>
<p>From which we can reasonably conclude that the &#8220;Father&#8221; of Junior&#8217;s &#8220;Dreams&#8221; was little more than a sperm donor.</p>
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		<title>By: izoneguy</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30876</link>
		<dc:creator>izoneguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: JLenardDetroit</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30868</link>
		<dc:creator>JLenardDetroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just thought I&#039;d throw out there what the proper title of his book should be so we can refer to it as such to annoy the Left -- it was as if his &quot;Compass&quot; was forever in the Bermuda Triangle and therefore Malfunctioning/Spinning and how/why he was ALWAYS going the wrong direction!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just thought I&#8217;d throw out there what the proper title of his book should be so we can refer to it as such to annoy the Left &#8212; it was as if his &#8220;Compass&#8221; was forever in the Bermuda Triangle and therefore Malfunctioning/Spinning and how/why he was ALWAYS going the wrong direction!</p>
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		<title>By: skully</title>
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		<dc:creator>skully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he is a NBC.  And that he is hiding (or lying) about something.

The Constitution necessarily does not provide a means to execute many of the powers it divides up.  The fact that the words &quot;birth certificate&quot; are not in there does not make the NBC requirement moot.  

Personally, my hope is to hear the words &quot;former President Obama&quot; after 2012.  That&#039;s only going to happen if more people vote for the other candidate.  I don&#039;t care WHY they vote for someone else.  So, treating birthers like ignorant lepers might not keep them on our side.

I want to be on the winning team in Nov 2012, even if there are some whacky ideas that helped bring the team together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he is a NBC.  And that he is hiding (or lying) about something.</p>
<p>The Constitution necessarily does not provide a means to execute many of the powers it divides up.  The fact that the words &#8220;birth certificate&#8221; are not in there does not make the NBC requirement moot.  </p>
<p>Personally, my hope is to hear the words &#8220;former President Obama&#8221; after 2012.  That&#8217;s only going to happen if more people vote for the other candidate.  I don&#8217;t care WHY they vote for someone else.  So, treating birthers like ignorant lepers might not keep them on our side.</p>
<p>I want to be on the winning team in Nov 2012, even if there are some whacky ideas that helped bring the team together.</p>
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		<title>By: From ME to You</title>
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		<dc:creator>From ME to You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave_in_Fla</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30862</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave_in_Fla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 19:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be instructive to see the answers for these completed by people working in the White House (*smirk*)

9A DOCUMENTATION OF U.S. CITIZENS BORN ABROAD [STATE DEPARTMENT FORM (FS) 240, DS 1350, FS 545, etc.]

29 ASSOCIATION RECORD
a. Have you EVER been an officer or member of, or made a contribution to, an organization dedicated to terrorism, and which engaged in illegal activities to that end, either with an awareness of the organization&#039;s dedication to that end of with the specific intent to further such illegal activities?

b. Have you EVER been an officer or member of, or made a contribution to, an organization dedicated to the use of violence or force to overthrow the U.S. Government, and which engaged in illegal activities to that end, either with an awareness of the organization&#039;s dedication to that end of with the specific intent to further such illegal activities?

c. Have you EVER been an officer or member of, or made a contribution to, an organization that unlawfully advocates or practices the commission of acts of force or violence to discourage others from exercising their rights under the U.S. Constitution or any state of the U.S. with the specific intent to further such unlawful activities? 

d. Have you EVER advocated any acts of terrorism or activities designed to overthrow the U.S. Government by force with the specific intent to incite others to unlawful action in furtherance of such aims?

e. have you EVER knowingly engaged in any activities designed to overthrow the U.S. Government by force?

I miss the days when these forms asked you specifically if you are a communist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be instructive to see the answers for these completed by people working in the White House (*smirk*)</p>
<p>9A DOCUMENTATION OF U.S. CITIZENS BORN ABROAD [STATE DEPARTMENT FORM (FS) 240, DS 1350, FS 545, etc.]</p>
<p>29 ASSOCIATION RECORD<br />
a. Have you EVER been an officer or member of, or made a contribution to, an organization dedicated to terrorism, and which engaged in illegal activities to that end, either with an awareness of the organization&#8217;s dedication to that end of with the specific intent to further such illegal activities?</p>
<p>b. Have you EVER been an officer or member of, or made a contribution to, an organization dedicated to the use of violence or force to overthrow the U.S. Government, and which engaged in illegal activities to that end, either with an awareness of the organization&#8217;s dedication to that end of with the specific intent to further such illegal activities?</p>
<p>c. Have you EVER been an officer or member of, or made a contribution to, an organization that unlawfully advocates or practices the commission of acts of force or violence to discourage others from exercising their rights under the U.S. Constitution or any state of the U.S. with the specific intent to further such unlawful activities? </p>
<p>d. Have you EVER advocated any acts of terrorism or activities designed to overthrow the U.S. Government by force with the specific intent to incite others to unlawful action in furtherance of such aims?</p>
<p>e. have you EVER knowingly engaged in any activities designed to overthrow the U.S. Government by force?</p>
<p>I miss the days when these forms asked you specifically if you are a communist.</p>
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		<title>By: Erick Brockway</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30858</link>
		<dc:creator>Erick Brockway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;n any event, there is nothing in the Constitution about a birth certificate. They just didn’t know what life would be like 220 years later.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
...know what this country would be like 200+ years later, they&#039;d have thrown a whole &lt;i&gt;bunch&lt;/i&gt; of legal definitions in there somewhere.
It would be nearly twice the size just to make sure somebody couldn&#039;t twist meanings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>n any event, there is nothing in the Constitution about a birth certificate. They just didn’t know what life would be like 220 years later.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;know what this country would be like 200+ years later, they&#8217;d have thrown a whole <i>bunch</i> of legal definitions in there somewhere.<br />
It would be nearly twice the size just to make sure somebody couldn&#8217;t twist meanings.</p>
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		<title>By: Socrates</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30856</link>
		<dc:creator>Socrates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s a natural-born citizen.  It takes huge leaps of faith to suggest otherwise.  

But he&#039;s hiding something.  

In any event, there is nothing in the Constitution about a birth certificate.  They just didn&#039;t know what life would be like 220 years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a natural-born citizen.  It takes huge leaps of faith to suggest otherwise.  </p>
<p>But he&#8217;s hiding something.  </p>
<p>In any event, there is nothing in the Constitution about a birth certificate.  They just didn&#8217;t know what life would be like 220 years later.</p>
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		<title>By: arcman46</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30852</link>
		<dc:creator>arcman46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost all of us have had to produce a BC for such things as driver&#039;s licenses and passports.  While I have no reason to believe that BHO was not born in this country, I do believe he is hiding something.  Could it be that Barack Obama Sr isn&#039;t really his father?  Maybe Frank Marshall Davis.  The entire mistique of his life, starting with &quot;Dreams of My Father&quot; would be totally blown out of the water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost all of us have had to produce a BC for such things as driver&#8217;s licenses and passports.  While I have no reason to believe that BHO was not born in this country, I do believe he is hiding something.  Could it be that Barack Obama Sr isn&#8217;t really his father?  Maybe Frank Marshall Davis.  The entire mistique of his life, starting with &#8220;Dreams of My Father&#8221; would be totally blown out of the water.</p>
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		<title>By: From ME to You</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30849</link>
		<dc:creator>From ME to You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you did! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you did! <img src='http://www.redstate.com/erick/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kyle8</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30848</link>
		<dc:creator>kyle8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>life size.  (I didn&#039;t say that out loud did I?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>life size.  (I didn&#8217;t say that out loud did I?)</p>
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		<title>By: From ME to You</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/09/04/your-truther-v-birther-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-30847</link>
		<dc:creator>From ME to You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that RedState has no control over which ads get shown...I jsut thought it was..ummmm...FUNNNNNNY!!!!!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/From_MEtoyou/?action=view&amp;current=MObama_doll_small.jpg&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/From_MEtoyou/MObama_doll_small.jpg&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;MObama doll&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that RedState has no control over which ads get shown&#8230;I jsut thought it was..ummmm&#8230;FUNNNNNNY!!!!!</p>
<p><a href="http://s293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/From_MEtoyou/?action=view&amp;current=MObama_doll_small.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm54/From_MEtoyou/MObama_doll_small.jpg" border="0" alt="MObama doll"/></a></p>
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