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	<title>Comments on: Barack Obama&#8217;s Administration Kills a Military Fly Over</title>
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		<title>By: SteveLA</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/comment-page-1/#comment-30047</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can Google DoD Form 2535, which lays out how to apply for a fly over. 

Your average NASCAR event attracts what in person 500K+ fans in person and another 2 to 3 Million on TV, I&#039;d think as a recruiting tool, flyovers and presence of military color guards is pretty much a done deal. The event that this blog discusses attracted 12K folks by the way according to news reports.  

I&#039;d like to see the AF release a statement on why they rejected the application for a fly over and if there was any pressure brought by the Obama administration in the name of full disclosure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can Google DoD Form 2535, which lays out how to apply for a fly over. </p>
<p>Your average NASCAR event attracts what in person 500K+ fans in person and another 2 to 3 Million on TV, I&#8217;d think as a recruiting tool, flyovers and presence of military color guards is pretty much a done deal. The event that this blog discusses attracted 12K folks by the way according to news reports.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see the AF release a statement on why they rejected the application for a fly over and if there was any pressure brought by the Obama administration in the name of full disclosure.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the other night.  Clearing your cache and history usually helps but doesn&#039;t always fix it.  Last time it screwed up I had to both clear everything and restart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the other night.  Clearing your cache and history usually helps but doesn&#8217;t always fix it.  Last time it screwed up I had to both clear everything and restart.</p>
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		<title>By: TNJim</title>
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		<dc:creator>TNJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My fault, not the site&#039;s</description>
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		<title>By: TNJim</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/comment-page-1/#comment-30044</link>
		<dc:creator>TNJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live just 15 miles from Bristol Motor Speedway. As you know NASCAR is in town this weekend. Now at this time of day before the August night race you can occasionally hear them take off from the airport, which is only 4 miles from me for their practice run, but nothing yet. But they occasionally do fly in directly from another base without a practice run, so I&#039;m not giving up on there being a flyover here yet. In light of what Erick talked about here, though, and the point you made, plus the fact NASCAR&#039;s fan base is made of largely of (gasp!) freedom loving, patriotic, right leaning Americans (some of whom still fly the Confederate flag in the infields and campgrounds) I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m in agreement with you here.

We&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live just 15 miles from Bristol Motor Speedway. As you know NASCAR is in town this weekend. Now at this time of day before the August night race you can occasionally hear them take off from the airport, which is only 4 miles from me for their practice run, but nothing yet. But they occasionally do fly in directly from another base without a practice run, so I&#8217;m not giving up on there being a flyover here yet. In light of what Erick talked about here, though, and the point you made, plus the fact NASCAR&#8217;s fan base is made of largely of (gasp!) freedom loving, patriotic, right leaning Americans (some of whom still fly the Confederate flag in the infields and campgrounds) I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m in agreement with you here.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>events as well.  I thought the end had come last week at Michigan but the flyover was only late.  Since a NASCAR race embodies just about everything the communists hate about America, I suspect we won&#039;t see government &quot;support&quot; in the form of color guards and flyovers much longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>events as well.  I thought the end had come last week at Michigan but the flyover was only late.  Since a NASCAR race embodies just about everything the communists hate about America, I suspect we won&#8217;t see government &#8220;support&#8221; in the form of color guards and flyovers much longer.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erick,

Respectfully you have a few of the facts wrong. 

&lt;i&gt;The God and Country Rally is a non-denominational rally that supports American soldiers.

For 42 years the Pentagon has carried out the military fly over.
&lt;/i&gt;

From a press release on the festival&#039;s site. 

&quot;The Pentagon decided to turn down our request for a military flyover to honor our veterans at the 43rd Annual Treasure Valley God and Country Festival that took place on July 1, 2009, even though we have had numerous flyovers in the past. We want to make it clear that although it is unashamedly a Christian event&quot;

This is not a non-denominational event, and they have not had overflights for 43 contiguous years.

In some past years, especially during the Carter administration and probably during the Gulf Wars, overflights were severely restricted due to budget and air crews involved in combat actions. Open houses at AFB have also been canceled under these constraints too and those are major public relations events for and with the local community.

But still, this is a very stupid action on the part of the Obama White House, assuming that the decision reached it, and for sure the Secretary of the Air Force Michael Bruce Donley needs to investigate why this particular overflight was denied and is there a consistent standard for approval of overflights that does not discriminate against any group. 

Overflights are as much a recruiting tool as an honor to veterans and the community and last time I checked being a Christian is not a reason to be excluded from service in the US Armed forces.  Assuming that this Festival has a sufficiently  large turn out, there should have been no reason for denial of this request, heck there are probably pilots who would have been very happy to get some training hours to do the overflight flight. 

This was a very dumb move on the part of someone, that much is a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erick,</p>
<p>Respectfully you have a few of the facts wrong. </p>
<p><i>The God and Country Rally is a non-denominational rally that supports American soldiers.</p>
<p>For 42 years the Pentagon has carried out the military fly over.<br />
</i></p>
<p>From a press release on the festival&#8217;s site. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Pentagon decided to turn down our request for a military flyover to honor our veterans at the 43rd Annual Treasure Valley God and Country Festival that took place on July 1, 2009, even though we have had numerous flyovers in the past. We want to make it clear that although it is unashamedly a Christian event&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not a non-denominational event, and they have not had overflights for 43 contiguous years.</p>
<p>In some past years, especially during the Carter administration and probably during the Gulf Wars, overflights were severely restricted due to budget and air crews involved in combat actions. Open houses at AFB have also been canceled under these constraints too and those are major public relations events for and with the local community.</p>
<p>But still, this is a very stupid action on the part of the Obama White House, assuming that the decision reached it, and for sure the Secretary of the Air Force Michael Bruce Donley needs to investigate why this particular overflight was denied and is there a consistent standard for approval of overflights that does not discriminate against any group. </p>
<p>Overflights are as much a recruiting tool as an honor to veterans and the community and last time I checked being a Christian is not a reason to be excluded from service in the US Armed forces.  Assuming that this Festival has a sufficiently  large turn out, there should have been no reason for denial of this request, heck there are probably pilots who would have been very happy to get some training hours to do the overflight flight. </p>
<p>This was a very dumb move on the part of someone, that much is a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: avgamerican</title>
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		<dc:creator>avgamerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He despises the thought of a Christian country fighting for right and good symbolized by American strength. No we don&#039;t pretend to think God needs us to honor Him with a flyover. Just a demonstration of our appreciation of His grace and blessing to allow us to live in a free country. An appreciation of God in our heritage. POTUS however, believes in another god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He despises the thought of a Christian country fighting for right and good symbolized by American strength. No we don&#8217;t pretend to think God needs us to honor Him with a flyover. Just a demonstration of our appreciation of His grace and blessing to allow us to live in a free country. An appreciation of God in our heritage. POTUS however, believes in another god.</p>
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		<title>By: avgamerican</title>
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		<dc:creator>avgamerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it about human nature that prevents them from calling something what it is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it about human nature that prevents them from calling something what it is?</p>
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		<title>By: smitch61</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/comment-page-1/#comment-30035</link>
		<dc:creator>smitch61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure he will okay it at that point.</description>
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		<title>By: CincoSolas_del_Bronx</title>
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		<dc:creator>CincoSolas_del_Bronx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One category that has not surfaced yet in the comments will come into play if you answer the following questions (and of course references would be helpful, primarily the word of truth correctly handled, or creedal, confessional, catechismal and historical applications subject to the same).

In the light of the last line of &lt;a href=&quot;http://godandcountryfestival.com/the-mission-of-the-god-and-country-festival.html&quot;&gt;The Mission of the God and Country Festival&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;blockquote&gt;Each year, we ensure that the message of the Gospel is presented, and information is provided for those who have heard and want to know more about Jesus Christ.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

1) in what ways is &lt;b&gt;the presence of&lt;/b&gt; a military display &lt;b&gt;beneficial&lt;/b&gt; to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,

2) in what ways is &lt;b&gt;the presence of&lt;/b&gt; a military display &lt;b&gt;detrimental&lt;/b&gt; to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,

3) in what ways is &lt;b&gt;the absence of&lt;/b&gt; a military display &lt;b&gt;beneficial&lt;/b&gt; to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and

4) in what ways is &lt;b&gt;the absence of&lt;/b&gt; a military display &lt;b&gt;detrimental&lt;/b&gt; to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One category that has not surfaced yet in the comments will come into play if you answer the following questions (and of course references would be helpful, primarily the word of truth correctly handled, or creedal, confessional, catechismal and historical applications subject to the same).</p>
<p>In the light of the last line of <a href="http://godandcountryfestival.com/the-mission-of-the-god-and-country-festival.html">The Mission of the God and Country Festival</a>:<br />
<blockquote>Each year, we ensure that the message of the Gospel is presented, and information is provided for those who have heard and want to know more about Jesus Christ.</p></blockquote>
<p>1) in what ways is <b>the presence of</b> a military display <b>beneficial</b> to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,</p>
<p>2) in what ways is <b>the presence of</b> a military display <b>detrimental</b> to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,</p>
<p>3) in what ways is <b>the absence of</b> a military display <b>beneficial</b> to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and</p>
<p>4) in what ways is <b>the absence of</b> a military display <b>detrimental</b> to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ?</p>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/comment-page-1/#comment-30020</link>
		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paul_In_Houston</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/comment-page-1/#comment-30017</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul_In_Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, we must also ban military planes from air shows if there&#039;s a chance that more than 50% of the audience is Christian.

:(

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, we must also ban military planes from air shows if there&#8217;s a chance that more than 50% of the audience is Christian.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.redstate.com/erick/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-</p>
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		<title>By: itrytobenice</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/comment-page-1/#comment-30011</link>
		<dc:creator>itrytobenice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the problem was, it had two things BO doesn&#039;t like.

God and Country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the problem was, it had two things BO doesn&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>God and Country.</p>
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		<title>By: itrytobenice</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/comment-page-1/#comment-30008</link>
		<dc:creator>itrytobenice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we also need them to shepherd AF1 around when BO buzzes NYC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we also need them to shepherd AF1 around when BO buzzes NYC.</p>
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		<title>By: TNJim</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/comment-page-1/#comment-30005</link>
		<dc:creator>TNJim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who just recently &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/20/god-and-gog-its-like-christ-and-anti-christ-join-forces-on-super-best-friends/&quot;&gt;appealed to some&lt;/a&gt; rabbis to support his health care scheme? Who said &quot;We are God&#039;s partners in matters of life and death&quot;? He tries to appeal to religious leaders to promote his legislation then provides this slap in the face?

I can&#039;t decide who he wants to diss the most, Christians or the military this flyover was supposed to honor. I&#039;ll just compromise and say both, equally.

Most. duplicitous. President. ever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who just recently <a href="http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/20/god-and-gog-its-like-christ-and-anti-christ-join-forces-on-super-best-friends/">appealed to some</a> rabbis to support his health care scheme? Who said &#8220;We are God&#8217;s partners in matters of life and death&#8221;? He tries to appeal to religious leaders to promote his legislation then provides this slap in the face?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t decide who he wants to diss the most, Christians or the military this flyover was supposed to honor. I&#8217;ll just compromise and say both, equally.</p>
<p>Most. duplicitous. President. ever!</p>
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		<title>By: beanerecmo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/comment-page-1/#comment-30000</link>
		<dc:creator>beanerecmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reagan overruled Watts. Ketchup as a vegetable; well, we do know that tomatoes are actually a fruit - www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutother/tomato.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reagan overruled Watts. Ketchup as a vegetable; well, we do know that tomatoes are actually a fruit &#8211; www.askoxford.com/asktheexperts/faq/aboutother/tomato.</p>
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		<title>By: blooch</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/comment-page-1/#comment-29998</link>
		<dc:creator>blooch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from the National Mall, saying rock and roll concerts drew &quot;an undesirable element&quot;, and Ronald Reagan himself declared that Ketchup was a vegetable, when American tradition holds that it is a condiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from the National Mall, saying rock and roll concerts drew &#8220;an undesirable element&#8221;, and Ronald Reagan himself declared that Ketchup was a vegetable, when American tradition holds that it is a condiment.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/08/21/barack-obamas-administration-kills-a-military-fly-over/comment-page-1/#comment-29996</link>
		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t they say it&#039;s for recruiting like they do with those?</description>
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		<title>By: erp</title>
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		<dc:creator>erp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refresh my memory, what oafish things did Republicans do to show their contempt for American traditions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refresh my memory, what oafish things did Republicans do to show their contempt for American traditions?</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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