The ‘Neil Stevens is Awesome’ Open Thread


Thanks to Neil, Steve, and Henry our site is now smoking fast and can handle significantly more traffic.

The other day I got an email from “DaveinBoca” who really went on a rather insulting tangent about site operations. I understand his frustration, but geez — while we hate 500 errors, let’s get serious — our traffic is fantastic these days. Growing pains are a good thing.

DaveinBoca said he’d never, ever, never come back before throwing in a few personal shots at me. Oh well.

For the rest of you, thanks for your continued support. And we really could not have done all this except for Neil and the gang at Eagle. We very much appreciate it.

Consider this an open thread.

UPDATED: I forgot to add Prashant who, I’m told, like Henry is now sleep deprived because of his dedication to helping us.


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It's really the Eagle guys

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:07AM EST (link)

They buckled down, stayed up late, and got the servers going.

I helped, but that’s really it. I helped, I wasn’t in the lead on this.

I mean, I went to bed last night. The guy who really DID this, didn’t.

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Well then, take credit for all of the other times...

penguin2 (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:20AM EST (link)

You all do a fantastic job and let us say thanks. It is one of the few things we can do, besides taking the messages and lessons learned here at RedState and putting them to work in the world.

As far as ‘DaveinBoca’ it annoys me that people cannot be patient and realize the good out weighs the ‘bad.’ I don’t know of any other site quite like this. People often note how they come back again and again for that very reason. Whenever, I’ve heard Rush mention RedState, which has been with increasing frequency lately,the site immediately slowed to a crawl, but I was thinking positive about it. Not annoyed. I knew that traffic was heavy and that was a good thing.

Well anyway, Neil, take a bow and accept our compliments.

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Thank you Neil and crew

SG_Lominac (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:21AM EST (link)

I always enjoyed Dave in Boca’s posts, that’s a shame he decided to leave but for those of us who hated the 500 errors, it could be worse. We could be shutting down for the day like the city of Chicago. Here’s a call for Neil donation link. I missed the first round.

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Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 2:12PM EST (link)

Thank you.

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Thank you Neil and crew

SG_Lominac (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:21AM EST (link)

I always enjoyed Dave in Boca’s posts, that’s a shame he decided to leave but for those of us who hated the 500 errors, it could be worse. We could be shutting down for the day like the city of Chicago. Here’s a call for Neil donation link. I missed the first round.

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Thanks to all involved

peg_c (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:09AM EST (link)

It is WAY better. I had to give up altogether, too often. Not anymore!

Government cannot be the solution when government is the problem.

 

Great work, I just hope it doesn't go down again

Richard Mullins (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:15AM EST (link)

those 500 errors were getting annoying but I’m sure it’s gone for now. Neil, I wonder what they went to in terms of new hardware, was a new Sun Solaris system powered by the new Six Core Opterons?

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From what I can tell ...

Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:24AM EST (link)

… they’re using Ubuntu for an OS. Not sure about the hardware.

(According to BuiltWith)

 

5 server cluster

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:26AM EST (link)

3 web servers, 2 db servers. Each one substantially more powerful than our old, single box.

And yes, Ubuntu. Fortunately not Solaris. :-)

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For those like me who tend to think of servers

janis (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:40AM EST (link)

as those folks who wear latex gloves while dishing up your food at a restaurant, I stand in awe of your technical skilz, Neil. You’ve managed to get us from Jurassic RedState to RedState Modern Era.

Sustained applause and many thanks to all who made it so!

 

But the Six core Opteron systems they have

Richard Mullins (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:41AM EST (link)

are fairly powerful. If it wasn’t for the cost of one Six core Opteron at over $2000 a processor(That’s the 8 processor supported, 2 processor ones are cheap), I’d start building one.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

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Checking what hardware the boxes have

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:32PM EST (link)

Looks like we have two quad core Xeons in.

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According to /proc/cpuinfo (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:34PM EST (link)

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Yay for Linux!

Brian Johnson (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:02PM EST (link)

Though my preferred server OS is CentOS…. :)

If I understood Linux like I do DOS,

Richard Mullins (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:06PM EST (link)

I would be using it, but alas I don’t. The last time I tried to run a Linux distro, I had real problems.

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It's time to try again, Richard

diakrioi (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:15PM EST (link)

My 14-year-old switched to Ubuntu more than a year ago and talked me into it when I bought a new computer a couple of months ago. I am very pleased with my decision. Most of the day-to-day things (word processing, spreadsheet, etc.) work very much like they do in Windows. If you have to go mucking around with settings or install software that is where things get very different.

I should add that I am comfortable working with UNIX since I do that in my job. It also probably helps that I’ve moved a lot of things that I do off of the desktop. For example, I get all of my email thru Gmail now and it never gets downloaded to a client computer.

The last linux disto I used was SuSe 9.0

Richard Mullins (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:23PM EST (link)

but that was on a much different system than now. I’m not sure how it would support it(using mostly onboard except for Video and Wireless) but I really need a 64bit distro(using Vista ultimate on a AMD Athlon x2 4850e based system with 8GB of RAM).

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For average windoz user current Ubuntu is just as easy to run

olsmithie (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:44PM EST (link)

You can run it from the CD without installing to see if you like it before making any changes to your system.

Take a chance!
Regards

Most linux distros have the CD/DVD trial option now.

Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:47PM EST (link)

At least Ubuntu, Fedora, and Debian do.

 
 
 
 
 

5 on the Solaris crack :-) [nt]

Bill S (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:14PM EST (link)

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Hold onto your hat, bs

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:57PM EST (link)

Inside, we’re actually using… gasp.. NFS.

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As long as it ain't Microsoft. [nt]

Bill S (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 7:15PM EST (link)

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That old box deserves an honored place

TNJim (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:20PM EST (link)

in a RedState museum of sorts. You could rig it up with a fog effect to simulate smoke coming out of the vents.

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It's actually still in use

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:24PM EST (link)

It’s driving the web half of archive.redstate.com

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...

Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 2:16PM EST (link)

requesting more specs…

Virtualized Host config? or “your very own hardware”?
Quad/Dual core Procs? AMD/Intel? model #?
Memory? DDR3? DIMM capacity/bus speed? #/server?
RAID config?
SAN…? iSCSI or Fiber?

I’m an Enterprise Tech Support Analyst for Dell…

Just curious cause you know… i’m a hardware geek.

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StandardCandle

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 2:32PM EST (link)

Our own boxes hosted by ThePlanet.

2x Quad Core Xeon E5405.

Looks like 20G RAM on the DB servers, 10G on the web servers. Not aware of the physical layout of the RAM as all I know is what I can read from /proc :-)

Looks like no RAID at this time. Just a pair of SCSI drives. A disk for /, and a disk for /var.

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Scratch that

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 2:42PM EST (link)

The real answer: It’s all ball bearings these days.

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...actually quantum nano-bearings...

Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 5:55PM EST (link)

with a flux hydro-capacitor and bio-metric TPM scan…

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...

Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle) (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 6:06PM EST (link)

I like cari.net for these types of hosting…

They can build a custom cluster for you and their prices are hard to beat.

For the web farm I could see single drives, but the database servers ought to be running a redundancy… on each server… otherwise load balancing is out the window in a drive failure(3 year mean time to fail)… could really bog the system down in that event,

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I always thought Dave_In_Boca was a nice guy.

Steve Maley (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:17AM EST (link)

After all, look at his progeny: Dave_in_Fla, Dave_in_ATL, Dave_in_MI to name a few.

My apologies to any of the second generation of Daves who I left out.

I guess there comes a time when we all have to move on. You lose one Dave & two more sprout up to take his place…

Seriously, thanks to Erick, Neil, the Eagle IT guys and whoever else was instrumental in recognizing the necessity of this change & effecting it in a timely way.

The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.

 

LOL over the "I'm not coming back" Rant.

phxg (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:32AM EST (link)

Just imagine if all this new traffic showed up on RS 3.0.

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Thanks for the upgrade!

Uma Richie (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:34AM EST (link)

The difference is amazing!

 

Great job, Neil and the folks at Eagle!

TNJim (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:56AM EST (link)

First time in a few weeks I’ve been able to get on the site at this time of day and have it be so fast to load! From what I can tell so far it’s all working great! Let’s see what happens now when Rush mentions us again. That’ll be the real test!.

As I mentioned yesterday now would be a good time to hit the contribute button. Bandwidth costs money, as do high capacity servers as well as the maintenance thereof. Neil, you may have went to bed last night but I know there are times that you haven’t. Caleb wrote a piece a few days ago called Support Independent Conservative Journalism where a couple of links to donate to Neil can be found.

As far as DaveinBoca is concerned, well, some folks just don’t understand the internet. When you start out small and your traffic gets big temporary problems can occur. You guys just didn’t sit back and hope the site hits didn’t fall back to “normal”, you rolled up your sleeves and got to work to keep this level of traffic as the new “normal”. But such moves, especially to a 5 server system from a single box take time to prepare for and get it right. Neil dropped a few hints over the past few days that such a move was in the works, I guess Dave didn’t have the patience to wait for all that to come to fruition. Tsk, tsk. Personal attacks? Really? What a child!

Again, kudos to all involved, and RedState rocks!

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TNJim, I don't even have the knowledge on the tech,

penguin2 (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 1:08PM EST (link)

but I got it. See antisocial below, Erick posted a warning early evening about proposed shut down; but even then I just wish people could be more appreciative of what we have. This site runs without income from all of us who use it. We are lucky.

And I was thinking about ‘wolfgang’ who asked about linking. Maybe he doesn’t know the’link’ does not show until After the post goes through. This stumped me at first. Thinking I didn’t have a link and then I would just delete it…

It’s okay about penguins and “even a…”I use penguin to deflect the more ‘cruel’ blows. :-)

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Exactly right, penguin.

TNJim (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 1:25PM EST (link)

When you type out your comments and diaries your links and hyperlinks just show as the code, YouTube embeds, images, that sort of thing. It’s only after you click reply to this or publish that the site software automatically translates it into something you can click on.

You mentioned yesterday about trying hyperlinks next. I use FireFox’s text formatting toolbar for that. You copy the link from your browser same as before, then in your comment you highlight the text you want to make a link out of, click the link button in the toolbar (each tool in the bar will have a small text box come up when you position your cursor over it that tells you what it does), then a small box will appear where you paste in your URL. Click OK and your highlighted text will have the hyperlink code wrapped around it. Click post comment when you’ve finished and when the page reloads there’s your nice, shiny hyperlink! Super easy and great for lazy people like me!

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Obviously

Brian Johnson (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:21PM EST (link)

The upgrade is a result of our deep-pocketed insurance company backers and Rush Limbaugh’s own money to keep the angry mobs riled up (heck, let’s throw in “Big Oil” and “Big Tobacco” as well. Gotta keep the puppet masters happy, donchya know?). If not for them, just like the poor kids at DailyKos, we’d still be limping along on a 486 desktop with a gerbil in a wheel providing CPU power ;)

Great big thank you to *all* the great folks who keep RedState running. You guys do an outstanding job. I’ve got a ton of feeds in my Google(tm) Reader, but time constraints mean that I only get to read a handful. RedState is the only one I make sure gets read regularly.

Seriously, thanks guys!

You forgot Karl Rove... nt

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Hey, I know I signed over all my astroturf payments

JustLeaveMeAlone (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 9:25PM EST (link)

to RedState. Didn’t we all?

Many thanks to Neil, Erick, et al, who make this possible.

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Just a quick suggestion

antisocial (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:24PM EST (link)

Maybe planned outages can be communicated in advance. For outages in my support operations I communicate well in advance and frequently enough. We (myself and my Team) send out an update once the activity is complete.

While 500 errors are frustrating regular users should be informed. Not that I support spamming…. We could have people opt in for maintenance updates.

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and btw... the response time is definitely better

antisocial (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:28PM EST (link)

but then I never had serious problems with performance in the last 9-10 months I have been here.

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Was it a hardship for you?

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:51PM EST (link)

We didn’t think being unable to diary or comment overnight would be a hardship.

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No it was not a hardship at all for me

antisocial (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 12:59PM EST (link)

I was just pointing out a practice that works well in my support area and could work here. Just thinking from an operations perspective.

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Yeah

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 1:14PM EST (link)

Fair enough. Well, behind the scenes we knew that this was coming. Be assured of that. We just don’t pre-announce things to you guys in case there are delays.

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It was a severe hardship for me ;)

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 10:50PM EST (link)

Like the Ultra-man of my youth, if I don’t get my RedState new post fix, a light on my chest starts beeping.

I didn’t know if I was going to make it.

In all seriousness, GREAT JOB!!!

 
 
 

HTML help?

scottbomb (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 1:13PM EST (link)

Speaking of Neil, what ever happened to his HTML for dummies link/instructions? Ever since you guys went to 2.0, I haven’t been able to figure out how to include proper links or pics in my postings.

As for the 500 errors, nothing tests Redstate’s server like Drudge linking to it so we shall see what the future brings.

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HTML Help should still be around somewhere

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 2:13PM EST (link)

Have you checked the Help link?

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The link provided in the Help section

Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 2:14PM EST (link)

goes to a page that doesn’t exist.

http://www.redstate.com/HTML_Central/

OK I'll try to restore it soon (nt)

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Here's the link

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Cool.Thanks! (nt)

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nt

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DaveinBoca still has better stories than you Neil

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 1:13PM EST (link)

This stuff is boring and besides that I am telling the Solaris guys:-).

All kidding aside though, some of the past issues were very frustrating and can drive readers away. I won’t speak for Dave, but it sounds like his intent was well-meaning. Let’s hope the future is brighter for all you Unixee-techie types.

All this from a guy who runs/has run products which are financial backbones on Tandem and AS/400 (ahem, i-series):-). I guess that makes me an old timer.

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Erick wrote the stuff about DaveInBoca, not me (nt)

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Ah, yes the evil overlord, Erick the Red(stater)

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 3:49PM EST (link)

The chains of serfdom and all that.

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Followup on the Glenn Beck losing advertisers story

Finrod (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 2:05PM EST (link)

Here’s a Reuters article about it. I don’t see any mention of State Farm in there, but Geico and Progressive are mentioned:

NEW YORK (Nielsen Business Media) – Some of the nation’s biggest advertisers are distancing themselves from Fox News host Glenn Beck after he called President Obama a racist during a July 28 broadcast.

Geico has pulled its ads from Fox News Channel’s “The Glenn Beck Program.” Lawyers.com, which is owned by LexisNexis, also has vowed not to advertise during the program, according to Color of Change, an African-American online political organization that has been urging advertisers to stop supporting the show.

Additionally, Procter & Gamble, Progressive Insurance and SC Johnson all said their ad placements during the broadcast were made in error and that they would correct the mistake.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

 

Great job, Neil, et al.! nt

Achance (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 2:41PM EST (link)

In Vino Veritas

 

Great job guys

WarEagle01 (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 4:00PM EST (link)

Yes, I experienced the outages as well. The errors, the server down messages or whatever. But I took it for what is was: a heckuva lot more people were now trying to access the site and the existing servers couldn’t handle it. But that wasn’t just a good thing, that was great thing because it meant that thousands more people were tuning in to hear and see the truth about Government Rationed Health Care, Cap and Tax, etc. DaveinBoca is a pantload. Good riddance.

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Uh oh, what will Dave in Boca have to beach about now? nt

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Maybe he'll take up Ronulanism (nt)

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Thanks Neil and Co. for Doing a Great Job. -nt

OccamsRazor (Diary) Monday, August 17th at 11:57PM EST (link)

Best Analogy for Government Efficiency...

DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, August 18th at 12:27AM EST (link)

Government doing something efficiently is akin to the following little gem of a video…

BTW, I am still finding a few bugs with the site update, of course with the infinite bandwidth of a cable modem late at night, I can not tell a difference from a few days ago.

Then again it could be that IE 8 bites.

Ya think?

fmaidment (Diary) Tuesday, August 18th at 12:48AM EST (link)

“Then again it could be that IE 8 bites.”

Um, no offense but, duh.

As for the Swedish Chef, he *is* a good analogy for government. He speaks a different language, he is hard to understand when he’s actually speaking English, he uses the wrong instruments to get the job done, makes a mess, and when he’s done it’s nothing like what you wanted.

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Fred, you get the gold star for...

DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, August 18th at 12:59AM EST (link)

your interpretation of what I thinking when I posted that clip.

BTW, when it comes to browsers I am a amateur, do not know what else to try as a browser. My beef with Microsoft is IE7 worked just find for me until they had to go all fancy with IE8. It seems they are reverting back to the issues we had with IE6.

DTOM, make FireFox your friend

TNJim (Diary) Tuesday, August 18th at 1:11AM EST (link)

There’s so any add-ons for it you can customize it to your heart’s content. From the indispensable text formatting toolbar to one that even makes it behave like IE (why you’d want that I have no idea) plus they update security wise much more frequently than Microsnot does IE, especially security updates.

Try it, you’ll like it.

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

 
 

oh, and...

DONTREADONME (Diary) Tuesday, August 18th at 1:00AM EST (link)

one other point in the video I was trying to make, the Government (military)tends to blow things up rather well, i.e. perfect hole in the donutl.

 
 
 

While we're talkin site stuff...

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Tuesday, August 18th at 12:50AM EST (link)

What’s up with the anti-insurance industry/free market ad at the top?