Mitch Daniels Continues to Impress


After a few rocky years starting off as Governor of Indiana, Mitch Daniels has really made a comeback. First he won re-election in Indiana, then he worked exceedingly hard to maintain and build on the financial stability he brought back to the state.

The Chamber of Commerce has a post up on its blog with Mitch Daniels talking about saving the free market. It’s worth listening to him.


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NO, NO, a thousand times NO!

toughintn (Diary) Wednesday, June 10th at 10:21PM EST (link)

I implore you to look deeper into his record.

Mitch Daniels is not a conservative.

1. Rush Limbaugh took him to task on his speech to a group of conservatives when he said that it’s “time to let Ronald Reagan go.”

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_042108/content/01125111.guest.html

2. Mitch Daniels has done great damage to the state he governs. Every person I know from Indiana (and I know a great deal of them) cannot be more horrified now that they voted him into office the first time. During the last election, many of these conservative voters either refused to vote in that race, or voted for the Independent candidate to avoid his future destruction of the state.

Just one particularly sore spot for these Hoosiers is the loss of autonomy and the gaining of homeland security concerns because of this grand scheme of Mitch Daniels:

“Indiana became the first state to privatize a major highway in 2006, when it handed over the [Indiana] toll road’s operation and profits to an overseas consortium through 2081. The firms, Cintra of Spain and Macquarie of Australia, gave Indiana $3.8 billion, which the state is using for roads.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/transportation/stories/101908dnmetindianaroad.3f2e1b8.html

The 3.8 billion? It’s long gone.
The roads? Getting worse.
The tolls? Higher and higher.
Usually privatization deserves a listen, but not when a major transportation artery at the crossroads of the nation is owned by a foreign conglomerate. That’s foolhardy in time of peace (moving commercial loads) or war (moving troops).

3. Finally, Time Magazine has this to say about him:

“[. . . ] pragmatic conservatives like Mitch Daniels in Indiana and Jon Huntsman in Utah have remained popular despite their brand. They all share an aversion to ideological rigidity: Rell signed a bill legalizing same-sex unions, Crist has pushed an ambitious environmental agenda, Daniels proposed a tax increase, and Huntsman has cautioned Republicans not to obsess about social issues.”

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1896588,00.html

Tax increase?
Move past Reagan?
Daniels was corrupted by the Washington beltway mentality when he served too long as a bureaucrat.

Bottom line:
If we conservatives support Mitch Daniels to run for higher elected office, we will lose.

Say no to Mitch Daniels at every opportunity.

I could not disagree more.

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, June 10th at 10:52PM EST (link)

I’m as conservative as they come, and I’ve been satisfied with almost all of Governor Daniels’ decisions. He’s been absolutely stellar. I couldn’t ask for a better person to lead the State, and he is the prime example of an innovative, conservative Republican that can win in the Midwest.

On to some of your points….

The Toll Road lease was the greatest move he’s made during his term. And you are completely wrong about the money being “all gone.” Our State has so much money from that deal, that we have made nearly half a billion dollars in interest alone. All of that is being set aside in savings accounts for future generations. The rest is being spent to upgrade Indiana’s failing infrastructure (mostly at the hands of the previous Democrat administrations) There is road construction EVERYWHERE in Indiana (much to my frustration many mornings). This would not be possible without the lease money.

The Toll Road was a money loser when the State ran it. We almost alway put more money in than we received in tolls each year. Now, a private company is in charge of up keeps to the road (and they have already put millions into major improvements). And they do not “own” it, as you assert (a lie that many Democrats have pushed here). Indiana has full sovereignty over the road, and if the consortium ever defaults on its obligations, the lease reverts back to the State and we still get to keep all the money. Basically, Indiana cannot lose. Plus, Governor Daniels wrote into the lease certain toll increase limits, most of which cannot even lawfully kick in until 2016 at the earliest.

Daniels has been the best thing to happen to Indiana in nearly two decades. He has pushed the State into reform and has brought major businesses and factories into Indiana, when other Midwestern States have seen a massive drain in industry.

He has enormous support among Republican voters in this state (I don’t know what your friends are complaining about), and his overall rating is near 70 percent in some surveys, which means his strong leadership and conservative values are appealing to independents, and even Democrats (what other GOP governor can say that right now?).

In short, almost all of your assertions above are BS.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

Interesting.

toughintn (Diary) Wednesday, June 10th at 11:02PM EST (link)

I sourced every point I made; you did not.

Let the facts speak for themselves.

 
 

Your Facts Are Just Wrong

youthgrunt (Diary) Wednesday, June 10th at 11:07PM EST (link)

As Mayhem wrote, the Toll Road lease has been an excellent move and the money is far from “gone”. We have been using the interest income and not using the principal–in other words, managing our money wisely.

Yes, Rush took him to task about his Reagan comments, though I don’t think that Rush exactly got the context of the comment right. His primary point was that we can’t wait for the next Reagan and we need to have proposals relevant to our current circumstances. I think Reagan would actually agree with him.

Mitch has gotten a rap in some circles for his lack of purity on taxes. But the fact remains that he has proposed tax increases and tax decreases–usually in tandem to try to make the system more fair. Most recently, he pushed for a higher sales tax in order to cap property taxes. It is easy to toss bombs about Mitch supporting tax hikes if you ignore the other side of the equation.

Mitch only won reelection by 18 points when Obama took the state.

The tolls have increased so much --

toughintn (Diary) Wednesday, June 10th at 11:20PM EST (link)

As a result of the changes under Daniels on the Indiana toll road, the tolls have increased so much that “Indiana is subsidizing prices for some motorists through 2016, at a cost of $190 million.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/transportation/stories/101908dnmetindianaroad.3f2e1b8.html

Sigh.

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, June 10th at 11:51PM EST (link)

Sir, I live 10 minutes away from the Indiana Toll Road. I drive it several times a month, so don’t waste my time with your silly news articles from Dallas. The rates to use the road have NOT gone up drastically, like you suggest. Yes, they have become marginally higher than what they were under State control, but that is because the Toll Road was losing money for the State. The ITR consortium is just bringing the travel rates up to their market value.

Plus, The ITR consortium has every right to expect a profit off of their investment. The rates are extremely reasonable. A mid-sized car can drive the entire length of the road from Ohio to Chicago (nearly 160 miles) for 8 bucks and if you use the new I-Zoom electronic pass, you can drive the whole road for less than $5. And Hoosiers are not “burdened” by this like you insinuate, as most of the drivers of the Toll Road are out of state.

All conservatives should support this privatization project, not just because it has been a massive success, but because it is a bedrock principle in the conservative platform and we should celebrate all efforts to reduce government. The fact that you are so obstinate and randomly hostile to this gives me pause as to your true motivations here. There is no good reason that the State of Indiana should have been running that road, and it is under far better management now that the State is out of the way.

I know the facts, because I have lived them, sir. Based on your comments, it seems like you’re trying to sound smart about an out of State issue, from an out of State governor that you have had no direct experience with. I strongly advise you to hold off on the knee-jerk reactions, and give Governor Daniels a fair chance. He lines up well on almost every issue conservatives believe in. You indict him for things that are simply not true, you take his decisions out of context, and you seem to base most of your opinion about him on some inexplicably peeved friends of yours.

As of right now, he’s not even running for anything that would concern you anyway. If he does, you will enjoy the contribution he brings to the debate.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

Some conservatives

toughintn (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 1:00AM EST (link)

Some conservatives believe that government (in general) should do just a few simple things — like provide for national defense, law enforcement, and roads — and then get out of the way so people can live their lives.

It’s disconcerting to see one of those most basic, fundamental jobs of government privatized — to a foreign consortium. Everything else, have at it. Privatization rules.

 
 

About that quote you linked to here, toughintn.

stang (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 12:27AM EST (link)

Nice context. Please note the last sentence. Your source. Your quote in its’ original context.

“The contract also allows the consortium to raise rates slightly every year, starting in 2010. Those increases could average 2 percent to 5 percent annually.

Indiana is subsidizing prices for some motorists through 2016, at a cost of $190 million.

The new toll rates have doubled the road’s revenue to about $160 million a year. ”

Please take further note here.

I posted this for you so you didn’t have to just take my intimation of the author’s meaning to be the final word on the matter or because you might be too lazy to click on the link.

” Indiana is the only state in the entire country that has a fully funded transportation investment program. In fact, Hoosiers are earning upwards of $6 of interest, a second—more than $500,000 a day—while other states struggle to adequately invest in their infrastructure. The state is expected to spend $11.9 billion on road construction by 2015. US-31, I-65 and I-69 are just a few of the beneficiaries of new investments.”

“In comparison, Ohio has been scaling back new transportation projects; deferring projects until funding can be secured. Things will only get worse for other states too because the Federal Highway Trust Fund is now estimated to run out of money in the next two years.”

http://reason.org/news/show/1002785.html

Geeze. Imagine that. Fully Funded? Think there’s any connection?

Your posts have been insulting and misrepresentations. Feel free to peddle your petulant half truths elsewhere.

“Now you know the rest of the story.”

Paul Harvey

“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”

John Locke

More specifically

toughintn (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 12:42AM EST (link)

“Tolls – and tollbooths – have undergone major changes, however.

The consortium has spent $40 million upgrading the tollbooths, which now have more lanes and pay-without-stopping technology.

Rates for motorists who pay cash and drive the whole road rose to $8 from $4.65. Tolls for semitrailers are $27.25, up from $14.55 in 2006.

The contract also allows the consortium to raise rates slightly every year, starting in 2010. Those increases could average 2 percent to 5 percent annually.

Indiana is subsidizing prices for some motorists through 2016, at a cost of $190 million.

The new toll rates have doubled the road’s revenue to about $160 million a year.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/transportation/stories/101908dnmetindianaroad.3f2e1b8.html

That's nonresponsive toughintn.

stang (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 1:54AM EST (link)

n/t

“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”

John Locke

stang

toughintn (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 2:16AM EST (link)

You demanded greater context, so I included a larger excerpt that did not leave out the actual dollar amounts — details equally as useful as the percents at the beginning of your excerpt:

“Rates for motorists who pay cash and drive the whole road rose to $8 from $4.65. Tolls for semitrailers are $27.25, up from $14.55 in 2006.”

Moving on.

No trollintn, you did not reply to my questions.

stang (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 2:29AM EST (link)

” Indiana is the only state in the entire country that has a fully funded transportation investment program. In fact, Hoosiers are earning upwards of $6 of interest, a second—more than $500,000 a day—while other states struggle to adequately invest in their infrastructure. The state is expected to spend $11.9 billion on road construction by 2015. US-31, I-65 and I-69 are just a few of the beneficiaries of new investments.”

“In comparison, Ohio has been scaling back new transportation projects; deferring projects until funding can be secured. Things will only get worse for other states too because the Federal Highway Trust Fund is now estimated to run out of money in the next two years.”

http://reason.org/news/show/1002785.html

Geeze. Imagine that. Fully Funded? Think there’s any connection?

Take another stab at it?

“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”

John Locke

Stang,

Mayhem (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 9:18AM EST (link)

Why do I get the feeling that toughintn is a Ron Paul supporter? Only they could be this annoying and this obstinate.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

stang and mayhem

toughintn (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 12:09PM EST (link)

Your comments make me laugh; here you are, throwing stones while accusing others of doing it.

No, I’m not a Ron Paul supporter.

Yes, I understand the arguments in support of the toll road changes. However, as I responded on another part of this thread, government and roads just seem to go together. As painful as it is, I would sooner see them waste money on something they’re actually supposed to provide, than destroy the economy trying to provide things outside their responsibilities.

The toll road is just one small part of the Daniels discussion, and you’ve emphasized it more than my original post did.

I still maintain that he is not an ideological conservative across the board. His early support for McCain is a strong clue.

He hasn't "destroyed the economy."

Mayhem (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 12:58PM EST (link)

This will be my last comment to your posts, because your undue foaming at the mouth is getting ridiculous.

I live in Indiana. I drive the toll road regularly. I’ve seen the benefits of its privatization. I’ve seen the benefits of balanced budgets. I’ve seen the workability of tax reform. You are an out of state resident with no direct experience on Indiana’s issues at all. You can throw all the “articles” you want at me, but it doesn’t change the effects on the ground here in Indiana. This State is on far better footing under this Governor than it has been in decades.

Transportation is certainly an important function of government, but you are putting a blanket rule on it that doesn’t necessarily fit in every circumstance. I want roads to be run as effective and as cheaply as possible. If private companies can do that, then awesome. In my view, the toll road lease proves your point. It has provided transportation funds to Indiana (without taxes) that it didn’t have before (which no other State can claim), giving the State more flexibility to build roads, like you desire.

Privatization needs to be an incorporated issue in every GOP platform, regardless of what sector it is in. If private initiative can accomplish the task, then government needs to get out of the way. Everyone benefits.

And, yes, Daniels is obviously not an “ideologue.” He is a manager, and an effective one at that. He provides a clean cut administration, built on fiscal responsibility and small government. On an issue by issue basis, he has almost always come down on the conservative side. He may not have pursued the issue himself, or personally, proactively campaigned for it, but when the bill came across his desk, he has solidly stood on conservative principles. At the end of the day, that is all that matters.

You are aggressively attacking a good man, who has saved a great State from financial oblivion, made conservatism appealing again in a Midwest state, and who is trying to make a harmless contribution to the national debate. He may run for President, he probably will not. He has said he’s not interested, so you’re putting way to much energy into attacking him right now. Cool off, and spend your time going after the libs in power.

I’m not even saying that I would end up supporting Mitch Daniels if he ever sought higher office. There will be many options in the presidential primary, and I might find someone I like better. However, I do think he would be a welcome voice, and I would certainly not be upset if he ever entered the White House. I know I’d be more satisfied with him than I ever was with George W. Bush.

Daniels is a conservative success story, and a man we should be praising, not tearing down. Perhaps he doesn’t line up with the Right on every pet issue, but I can’t find many people who do. The bottom line is that he is an across the board conservative, that is appealing to Republicans, independents, and Reagan Democrats, the very coalition we’ll need to win again. That is exactly the kind of GOP we need participating in the Republican Renewal.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

"Privatization needs to be an incorporated issue in every GOP platform"

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 2:15PM EST (link)

(I’m not commenting on the specifics of the toll road. Rather, I’d like to make sure that the term “privatization” doesn’t get misused.)

There is a difference between “privatization” and “outsourcing”. In a fully private transaction, both sides (consumer and provider) have discretion whether or not to participate. For example, if a municipality hires Waste Management to collect your trash, but gives residents no say over the cost, that’s not “privitization”, it’s merely “outsourcing.”

Government is still calling the shots, and can engage in shenanigans with the employee just as easily as in the case of staffing w/ direct govt workers.

Where govt can get completely out of the way, it should by all means do so. But be wary of govt corruption hiding behind so-called “privitization”.

If you're outsourcing any ongoing function of government,

Achance (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 2:50PM EST (link)

you’d best really like your contractor. As soon as he gets the contract, he forms a PAC, starts handing out checks, and he owns you.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Just for the record

toughintn (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 2:57PM EST (link)

I am a Hoosier by birth and a recent transplant.

I will (again) *respectfully* agree to disagree with you, even though you have consistently used inflammatory language to frame your responses to my opinions. I will also bow out of this discussion with best wishes to all.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Great points.

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, June 10th at 11:26PM EST (link)

If there were one thing Mitch would probably take back, it was his initial tax increase that he made early on in his first term. As youthgrunt points out, the other ones have always had a tax cut in tandem, so it was a net neutral act.

Plus, the property tax reforms that the Governor pushed through last year are probably the biggest reason he is so popular. The State was in nearly in a crisis with its property tax structure, and the public was almost ready to riot. The situation was not pretty. Daniels proposed a total property tax reform that is now the envy of most States in the country (who are now trying to emulate it, just like they are the Toll Road lease).

I would note, too, that the tax increase in his first term was rather minor (not that I justify it). The more important thing to take away from his governorship is how dedicated he has been to a balanced budget. He has cut, and cut, and cut, until there is no fat left. He controls spending. He vetoes wasteful bills. He manages the State’s finances better than any I’ve seen. He is a true “CEO” if you want to call him that.

We have a real manager running our State.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

 
 
 

Mega Dittos.

Mayhem (Diary) Wednesday, June 10th at 10:33PM EST (link)

People need to understand just how close Mitch Daniels came to political oblivion in Indiana. And it wasn’t because of corruption, or ethics problems, or flip flopping on a campaign promise. No. It was almost entirely because he stuck to his principles.

As a Northern Indiana resident, I watched as Mitch Daniels pushed through reform after reform in this State, many times against enormous public resistance. The most amazing part is that he never wavered. He always stuck to his principles, and now, he is reaping the political benefits.

Perhaps the most notorious of his tough choices (though most Hoosiers now call it ingenious) was his privatization of the Indiana Toll Road. It brought billions of dollars into the State, without raising taxes, and gave the management of an expensive State asset over to a private company. Especially in the norther part of the State, where union presence is strong, this was extremely unpopular. He was berated in the local media and his approval ratings plummeted. However, Indiana is now flush with cash for road construction, something most other States can only dream about.

During this same period, he pushed Indiana onto Daylight Savings Time, so that our State would no longer stick out like a sore thumb. Hoosiers are notorious for their fragility towards “change” (don’t let the 2008 Obama win deceive you), and DST was a major change for us. But Mitch knew it was in the best interest of our businesses to be on the same time as the rest of the country, so, again, he went against the flow of public opinion. Now, most people rarely, if ever, talk about the issue.

Governor Daniels is a major reformer at heart. He is a businessman. He is a CEO. He is a clean cut, no frills, down-to-earth man. In Mitch Daniels, Indiana has received an innovative experimenter, a budget balancer, a money saver, a government reformer, and an all-around decent man (something that we couldn’t say under the previous 16 years of Democrat governors).

The main point to take away from my little anecdote is that Mitch Daniels has stood his ground, even in the face of massive public anxiety. Perhaps more importantly, his difficult decisions have been vindicated almost every time, and now his strong leadership has given him enormous public trust and very high approval numbers.

This lesson (doing the right thing, even when it hurts) needs to be heeded my more Republicans. Perhaps that is why Governor Daniels is getting more and more national attention.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

 

My man Mitch

von Wednesday, June 10th at 11:37PM EST (link)

Mitch Daniels has been a great governor. He’s a conservative with great vision. His moderate appeal* comes in large part because he doesn’t waste time on the hot button topics: unlike many self-proclaimed conservatives, there is no drama in him. Mitch is not a rock star; he will never be the personality du jour. He simply stakes out the conservative position on the pocket book issues, never wavers, and wins. And Indiana is a better place for him.

*I wouldn’t call myself a conservative, and I’ve happily voted for him twice.

For we have a peculiar power of thinking before we act, and of acting, too, whereas other men are courageous from ignorance but hesitate upon reflection.

 

Daniels supported McCain early -- over all conservative options

toughintn (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 12:05AM EST (link)

Not surprisingly, Blago chose his Chicago buddy early.
But guess who else locked in his choice then?

Article on January 23, 2008:

“The endorsement game started early. A year ago, seven governors already had announced their support for candidates, including Indiana’s Mitch Daniels for John McCain, Missouri’s Matt Blunt for Mitt Romney and Illinois’ Rod Blagojevich for Barack Obama.

http://lateline.muzi.net/news/ll/english/10058741.shtml?cc=10009&ccr=39598

More specifically on February 22, 2007:

“ARLINGTON, Va. | U.S. Senator John McCain’s presidential exploratory committee today announced that Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels will support the Arizona Senator should he decide to seek the presidency.”

http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2007/02/22/updates/breaking_news/doc45ddedba241e6279890137.txt

So it makes perfect sense why Mitch Daniels told the conservative crowd to let Reagan go; the governor himself had let Reagan go.

Daniels personally and loudly chose John McCain over any other possible conservative presidential candidate, long before most office holders even felt the need to endorse (or perhaps thought it wise to endorse).

In fact, it could be argued that Daniels tried to short-circuit the process of the primaries by endorsing McCain BEFORE he even officially declared his candidacy. We might even assume he was trying to help McCain scare other candidates — conservative ones — out of running for president.

After giving John McCain that kind of devoted support, it seems that Mitch Daniels would be glad to take some credit for McCain winning the Republican nomination.

I’ll give Daniels that credit. And I’ll also give him some responsibility for choosing a moderate candidate (who could not even win the tax cut argument to a liberal) and losing the election — and our country’s future — to Obama.

Mitch Daniels had a platform to make a difference, and he had a choice. He chose McCain.
He didn’t even consider the conservatives.
He married the moderate.

If that doesn’t make an impression on you, I don’t know what else will.

 

Mitch Daniels

Scott_Fluhr Thursday, June 11th at 10:14AM EST (link)

I don’t quite have as positive an opinion about Mitch Daniels as some of the people here, but I’m nowhere near as down on him as toughintn seems to be.

First of all, complaining about the toll road is the hobgoblin of small-minds. This state had crumbling infrastructure for sixteen years. Democrats used a scheme called “Build Indiana” to raid infrastructure and construction money and funnel it to cronies (particularly in Lake County). This was great if you were tied to certain politicians and wanted to buy fur coats; it was not so great if you had to actually drive on the roads.

Major Moves (the toll road lease and the ensuing construction program) solved all of those problems. The Indiana Toll Road is not going anywhere. It can’t be rolled up, put on a ship, and sent to Australia or Spain. The lease has provisions that give the road back to the state in the event of certain shortfalls by the the company leasing it. I also doubt that this country will be going to war against close allies like Spain or Australia any time soon, so spare me the troops thing. The state made more money off of the interest of the toll road in one day than it made off of the entire life of the toll road before then; it lost the state money in terms of tolls versus operating expenses every year since we built it.

Second, John McCain. I can’t say that I liked John McCain, but then I can’t say that I liked any of the rather lackluster ’08 primary field. But I also can’t fault Mitch Daniels for endorsing John McCain, as the two of them have some sort of friendship that goes back many years. I don’t fault Mitch for endorsing John McCain any more than I fault certain individuals for endorsing other candidates. If you want to hold litmus tests based on ’08 candidate endorsements, you’re going to find yourself mighty disappointed in a lot of good people.

And Mitch Daniels loved John McCain so much that his campaign (which won about one Obama voter in four, or thereabouts) did not lift a finger to help the Republican presidential nominee in November of last year. This, as a Republican Party county chairman in Indiana, is something I do fault Mitch Daniels for. He built a mighty campaign organization, and he didn’t lift a finger to help McCain or virtually any other GOP candidate up or down the ballot. Accordingly, he had virtually nonexistent coattails despite his almost twenty percent margin of victory.

Mitch is not a social conservative. He’s very much an establishment conservative first and a fiscal conservative second (and he’s not above raising taxes on cigarettes, for example, and he has also had no problem with raising some taxes in order to lower others). He is a “make government work” and “make government more efficient” and “cut government” kind of governor. That appears to have suited most Hoosiers just fine. He’s got a 70 percent approval rating right now, which means that he is not only popular with the nearly 60 percent of Hoosiers that voted for him, but he has one over one out of very four voters that voted for his opponent, too.

http://www.hoosierpundit.com

I agree, in part.

Mayhem (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 1:41PM EST (link)

On the social issues front, I think you are mostly right in your characterization. However, I’d clarify it further. He is not a “social conservative” as many on Redstate would think of it (that is, being proactive and primary on the issue). That doesn’t thereby make him a social liberal, though.

Generally, Mitch Daniels doesn’t pursue social issues, meaning, he is not necessarily the initiator of pro life/pro family/pro marriage legislation, etc. But that doesn’t mean he opposes those bills, or blocks them, or hinders legislators from pursuing them. Hardly. When social issues do come across his desk, he certainly doesn’t side with the Left.

Plus, he has been endorsed by Indiana Right to Life and he supports a marriage amendment to the Indiana Constitution. And at his Hudson Institute speech last week, he said that if he could magically change one thing in America, he would restore the Family to its rightful and needed place in society. By any fair measure, he would easily meet the standards of mainstream conservatives on social issues.

Now, having said that, his priority is clearly fiscal and economic issues. However, at the end of the day, he doesn’t veto conservative social legislation either, so I don’t really have any major beef with him.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

I agree, in part

pilgrim (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 2:22PM EST (link)

I live in Indianapolis, and I just retired in March after 35 years as a state worker. Governor Daniels has widespread support because he has delivered in bringing money back to Indiana and putting the State budget back in the black. This support extends to Ds as well as Rs in Indiana who appreciate the State not having the deficits of its neighboring states.

The only potential negative is the sweetheart deal he gave Pitney Bowes with outsourcing mail handling and printing. They have tried and not succeeded in saying costs are saved. it’s about as weak as the claim by Obama of jobs saved.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

Interesting Point

Scott_Fluhr Thursday, June 11th at 2:30PM EST (link)

Particularly coming from a former state worker, since one of Mitch’s first acts as governor was to issue an executive order rescinding collective bargaining for state employees (instituted as an executive order by Evan Bayh 16 years ago) and instituting a merit pay system instead.

I’ve heard about the Pitney Bowes thing, but I’ve never seen a significant treatment of it outside of a few lefty blogs.

http://www.hoosierpundit.com

WISH-TV had a special report on it a while back

pilgrim (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 2:42PM EST (link)

However, the report is no longer on their website.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

WISH = Jim Shella (most likely)

Scott_Fluhr Thursday, June 11th at 3:29PM EST (link)

Was probably interesting reporting if it came from WISH. I didn’t catch it at the time; I don’t live in the Indianapolis media market, so I don’t get the channels up there.

http://www.hoosierpundit.com

 
 
 
 
 
 

Yes, but...

Scott_Fluhr Thursday, June 11th at 2:26PM EST (link)

Oh, sure. I wouldn’t disagree with that.

Certainly, Mitch signs the social conservative agenda items when they come across his desk (which they only did in the first two years of his term, when Republicans controlled both houses of the legislature). What he won’t do, however, is advocate for hot button social conservative positions–even if he presumably agrees with them–at all. He gave only weak lip service to the marriage amendment, for example. That’s the same sort of sensibility that you tend to find among Republicans in the donut (the eight “one party” hyper-Republican suburban counties that ring Indianapolis).

Would Mitch motivate that element of the Republican base, though, in the same way as a Huckabee or a Palin? Not even close. But while he doesn’t motivate that element of the Republican base, he clearly doesn’t energize their opposing counterparts in the Democratic base to take arms to fight him either. He is not a culture warrior. If that’s what you’re looking for, he’s not your candidate. In that sense, it’s no mistake that the venues in which you hear him speak (and those folks noting him as presidential material) are associated more with the free market and fiscal conservative aspects of the party and not the social conservative wing.

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Bingo.

toughintn (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 2:59PM EST (link)

Right on the money.

Thanks for the well-reasoned response.

and one more thing Scott_Fluhr

toughintn (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 3:06PM EST (link)

That’s exactly the kind of clear-thinking analysis that will help us win the next election — understanding the true differences between the candidates. Thanks, again.

Thanks

Scott_Fluhr Thursday, June 11th at 3:39PM EST (link)

We’ll have plenty of good candidates in 2012. I’m inclined to think that Mitch Daniels–regardless of what he says publicly about not wanting to run–intends or wants to be one of them (he’s sure using an awful lot of frequent flyer miles to be in Washington on an almost weekly basis for these sorts of appearances and speeches and interviews). Would I vote for him in the primary? Depends on the other candidates; he’s not perfect, but then every politician has their warts. It’s important to recognize what those are and acknowledge them, particularly in order to make informed judgments about all of the potential candidates.

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Scott & LibtardInTN

redstatesuccess Friday, June 12th at 11:28PM EST (link)

Scott: Are you done tweeting about Disney yet so I can follow your posts again? LoL Good analysis by the way, but you’re still way too hard on Mitch.

Of course I’d have to think Mitch ran over ToughInTn’s puppy the way he keeps whining about the fricking Toll Road (using the Dem Opponent’s talking points from last year btw). You still never refuted that we are making major interest on that money and funding all our road projects with it. If you don’t like that, move to MI.

Anyway, I’m glad you’re backwards-@$$ thinking is down in Gore country now. Things are simpler down there, like, I hear it’s a shorter walk to the welfare office. That’s the kind of governing we need up here in Indiana, isn’t it? Maybe some protectionism, too? Maybe we can ILLEGALLY exclude foreign investment from bidding processes if we were to try to cut our costs again to a company that specializes in something that was originally a union & corrupt administrative cash cow?

 
 
 
 

Mitch would make

youthgrunt (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 11:25PM EST (link)

Mitch would be a better Chairman of the GOP than a Presidential Candidate. A great organizer and runs things very effectively. His positions are largely in the right place. He can raise money.

I like Mitch a lot, but I like people who have a stronger ideological base than he has for my Presidential candidate.