And Jesus said to him, “Truly, I tell you, this very night, before the rooster crows twice, you will deny me three times.”
— Mark 14:30 (ESV)
All of us, every single person regardless of political persuasion who reads this, have a tendency to deny our friends and fellow travelers at times. All of us.
Peter, under pressure and fear, denied Christ not just once, but three times. Peter, though, feared death. The strain on Peter was great. The rest of us, though, typically fear the opinions of others.
There are those who like it when we feel guilty for associating with someone. More troubling, in the conservative movement and in the greater right-of-center coalition, there are many, many fellow traveller who would rather spend their time throwing their own under the bus than fighting the left.
Their typical means of ostracism is to condemn the rest of us for daring to say nice things about them. Reasons abound for this. Many of these weak minded fools are not really fellow travelers. Like a vulture flying in flock with swans, they benefit from the work the rest of us are doing to gain themselves credibility. The media plays along calling the vultures swans so others, they hope, see ugly ducklings around the vultures instead of swans.
Some mean well. Unfortunately, their high mindedness fractures and divides the rest.
The incidents of late with Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Dick Cheney, and others is why I raise this. Putting it bluntly, were these guys on the left, their fellow leftists would at best be cheering them on and at worst silently nodding along. There wouldn’t be any on that side rushing to the nearest microphone to condemn them.
Compare that to the right, where they actually are. A large number of us are standing up to express our support for them and we’re met by derision from our own side. “Are you supporting what Mark Levin said to that woman?” one might ask derisively. Whether I am or not is not the point. The point is Mark Levin does a hell of a lot more for the cause than pretty much anyone asking the question, so shut the hell up and leave him alone.
“But he is impuning the movement! How can anyone take anything he says seriously or take you seriously for liking him?” comes the rebuttal. And therein lies the problem. The “anyone” being referred to are the leftists who won’t take Levin, Limbaugh, or others seriously anyway. Why the hell would I want their embrace?
As an aside, perhaps an even greater bother are the high minded types on our side who condemn any level of aggressive activism because it is icky, mean, or beneath us. There is a war going on. We fight. Suck it up.
“All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:23 reminds us. We are all apt to say something or do something on occasion we may later regret. Those who deny this are the ones we should not listen to. That there are those on the right willing to ignore this for personal gain by pushing aside faithful warriors in the fight for freedom should make us all cringe. That we ourselves are sometimes apt to do it should make us shudder.
This is not to say there are some who should not be shunned. We should be mindful of William F. Buckley tossing out the Birchers. But therein lies part of the present burden on our movement. There are lots of creeping leftists in the conservative movement who want to exile large segments of the movement so the media will declare them the next William F. Buckley.
We should be wary of that. It should be that the sum total of our work is the measure by which we are judged. The tendency is the opposite. We tend to cling to the one indiscretion and show no forgiveness. It is harder for us because we have standards on our side largely derived from the Judeo-Christian tradition and fear being labeled hypocrites by those whose “anything goes but decency” mindset prevents them from ever having standards. There are some things that cannot be accepted. But there much that can be forgiven.
Peter denied Christ three times. Our goal should be to not deny Christ and also to not deny the valuable members of our own movement. Embracing them does not mean we embrace every word and every deed. But it should likewise mean we don’t race to the nearest microphone to condemn our own when they do something indiscrete. The people we should shun are the ones who are quick to throw the rest of us out for daring to stand up for our friends.
The vultures in our mist are typically the ones squawking loudest about other conservatives instead of the leftists out to destroy the country.
As Rush Limbaugh says, we should always play on offense. The moment the left gets us to start wringing our hands over one of our own is the moment they advance. The corollary is that the moment one of our own gets us to start wringing our hands over another within the movement is the moment we surrender.
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mas1916 Thursday, May 28th at 9:57AM EST (link)The single biggest ally conservatives have to help us on our road to recovery is Barack Obama. Unfortunately, He will make such a mess of things that it will take years for the country to recover. Conservatives will find opportunity in the rubble of Obama’s economic and foreign policy disasters – just as Ronald Reagan did.
This President has achieved a remarkable number of foreign policy failures that threaten world peace. (for a list of His top ten foreign policy failures achieved thus far, you can visit:
http://firstconservative.com/blog/political-humor/foreign-policy-house-of-cards )
Conservatism must be prepared to shine light on these failures when they produce the inevitable and sometimes horrible results. Staying on offense as Rush urges, is indeed the key.
There's dissent, there's "offense", and then...
I do not apologize when I do something wrong. Thursday, May 28th at 10:12AM EST (link)…there’s “offense for the sake of offense.”
For an example of the latter, consider the NRO writer who actually complained about pronouncing Judge Sotomayor’s name. His argument was–and I’m not kidding here–that putting the accent on the last syllable was “unnatural in English”, and that doing so is something “we shouldn’t give in to.” We shouldn’t “give in” to pronouncing someone’s name properly? Sheesh.
I see this as a perfect example of the danger of “constant offense.” There’s certainly a debate to be had about Sotomayor’s jurisprudence; that’s the whole purpose of the nomination/confirmation process. Taking it to this kind of extreme–picking stupid little issues and trying to blow them up into controversy–does nothing but blunt the more legitimate criticisms. The whole “Bushitler” crowd on the left did this in spades, and it was really difficult to take them seriously, even when they made the occasional legitimate criticism.
As you point out, mistakes will be made. Criticize those mistakes as they occur, and do so forcefully and with alternative recommendations at the ready, but sitting back and playing hack-and-slash games in the name of “constant offense” will only do more harm than good.
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Sorry, but there is an old English and American tradition in which names are pronounced as if they were English.
papalee Thursday, May 28th at 10:24AM EST (link)If we are going to kowtow to minorities to the point of giving up our own language traditions, we should not be surprised that the left wants to destroy not only our traditions and our culture, but also us. And before anyone gets huffy, look at the hundreds of American towns named for places in Europe but pronounced as if they were simply American.
By the way, my surname comes from Belgium and no one outside of my family pronounces it correctly and we have been here since before 1620.
When this lady begins to understand the meaning of a simple English word such as “equal” as in ‘equal protection of the law’ I just might work up a bit more respect for her.
Chi Chi Rodriguez's name as "Chy Chy Rod-ri-gweeze"
ajl_mo (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:21PM EST (link)There’s an episode of WKRP where Les Nessman mispronounces Chi Chi Rodriguez’s name as “Chy Chy Rod-ri-gweeze” on air, is corrected by Johnny Fever and then continues to use the mispronunciation. In a similar vein are we going with “Jesus” or “Hay-soos”?
And heaven help the in-law who pronounces my wife’s maiden name as “Pen-ick” (like everyone else does because it’s spelled that way) instead of “Pea-nick” like her dad, uncles and grandfather. I was warned several times before the marriage that the holidays could get pretty chilly if I regularly “mispronounced”.
Another example, I learned pretty quickly when I lived in Baton Rouge that the surname pronounced “Abear” was spelled “Herbert” and “Falgo” was spelled “Falgoust”.
In short, if someone has a particular pronunciation, that’s the way it should be pronounced.
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actually I agree with that
streiff (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 10:50AM EST (link)I don’t insist people pronounce my name with a British accent. My wife doesn’t insist people use an Irish accent on hers.
If you call the capital of Austria Wien, not Vienna, in Osterreich, not Austria, and you want to see the cathedrals of Koeln, not Cologne, then I might listen to a counterpoint. If not, I’ll pronounce names of Americans using American English pronunciation.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
There's a simple test...
I do not apologize when I do something wrong. Thursday, May 28th at 11:20AM EST (link)Accent aside, let’s say that I don’t know whether to pronounce your name as “strife,” “streff,” or “striff.” If I ask you how to pronounce it, will you say “it doesn’t matter?” If I make the wrong choice, will you correct me? If you were to correct me and I insisted upon pronouncing it incorrectly, will you take offense?
Your point about Wien or Köln is well taken – if we’re speaking German. In my experience, even native German speakers use “Vienna” and “Cologne” when speaking in English.
I’ll also point out that we seem to have little problem with this where others are concerned, say, baseball players…Sandoval, Abreu, Francoeur, Pujols, Fukudome, Guzmán, Fontenot, Encarnación…if we can get those right with their “non-English” pronunciations, I should think that a Federal judge deserves similar respect.
I’ll grant you that, out of the box, some folks may stumble over an unfamiliar name. There’s no reason to keep making the mistake (and this includes the President, who has slipped up several times) once the proper pronunciation is known. It’s a question of common courtesy and respect.
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you are confusing two issues
streiff (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 11:48AM EST (link)whether or not you wish to acknowledge it.
The point about Vienna vs Wien is exactly on point because we are speaking English, not Spanish. She is allegedly an American, though her comments about he self identity do call that into question, and I’m under no obligation to pretend to speak Spanish in order to make her or her supporters feel good about themselves.
The underlying issue with the name in not pronunciation but identity politics, a game which I am just not going to play. If that is going to be the rule, however, I demand my name be pronounced with a Devon accent.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
If that's your justification, fine
Slightly_Askew (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:04PM EST (link)I can live with that. People want to put her on a Latina pedestal and you want to knock her back down here with the rest of us. That’s cool.
I think it’s disingenuous, however, for those in this thread who are acting like this is the norm, as if they go through their everyday lives calling Vietnamese guys “in-GYE-yin” and pompous television personalities “JER-al-do RI-ver-uh”.
Everyone in this thread who pronounces Lucy’s husband’s name “Ricky RICK-er-doe”, please raise your hand.
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
::raises hand
streiff (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:11PM EST (link)Nguyen, I think most of us would agree, is not a common combination of letters in Romance or German languages. Having said that, you will find a crap load of second/third generation Vietnamese who pronounce their last name New-yen. In other word, in American English.
I do pronounce Desi Arnaz as Dezzie Arnez and I do accent the first syllable in Ricardo, just like I do with Baccardi.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
Ok, you win.
Slightly_Askew (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:35PM EST (link)I can’t think of a single response to this statement that is allowed under the “Be respectful” rule, so I will just bow out now.
That's not really the same
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:15PM EST (link)Names we’ve heard pronounced more than we’ve seen written, and have heard pronounced many, many times, are one thing.
But expecting people out the blue to start obeying Spanish accenting rules is ridiculous. I can’t be bothered.
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Thank you for the logical response
Slightly_Askew (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:44PM EST (link)Getting offended because someone pronounces Sotomayor’s name wrong is indeed idiotic, and going around correcting people who say it wrong is arrogant and rude.
I got the impression that the NRO writer was defending his mispronunciation of her name, not explaining why people will probably say it wrong. If I misunderstood, I apologize.
That being said, there’s a level of stubbornness that becomes intolerable, as well as giving the impression of ignorance, when, after being on television for 50 years, someone would continue to say Ricky “RICK-er-doe”.
Actually,
The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 2:57PM EST (link)I’m inclined to either pronounce it EN-guy-in or leave it off completely. And when they’ve got too many syllables in their last name, it just gets truncated, as in Johnny Ray.
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It's actually kind of interesting
ajl_mo (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:35PM EST (link)It’s actually kind of interesting.
To be honest I used to be firmly in the camp of “Say it the way it’s spelled” for a long time. Maybe it was growing up Midwestern.
But as I said, a couple years living “south of the border” (ie south of I-10 in Baton Rouge) made me change my ways. I still have a tendency to mispronounce French names when I see them. I can say them correctly all day long until I see them printed. Then it’s crapshoot if they come out of my mouth correctly.
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Republican party still not fit to govern
Princeliberty Thursday, May 28th at 12:42PM EST (link)Obama may bring the Republican party back into party.
But the party is not reforming if anything its going even further away from principles.
Putting the likes of McConnell and company will be putting a Republican party back in power that is still not fit to govern and will proceed to follow Obama’s failure with its own failure.
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Republican party still not fit to govern
Princeliberty Thursday, May 28th at 12:42PM EST (link)Obama may bring the Republican party back into party.
But the party is not reforming if anything its going even further away from principles.
Putting the likes of McConnell and company will be putting a Republican party back in power that is still not fit to govern and will proceed to follow Obama’s failure with its own failure.
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Interesting, but...
I do not apologize when I do something wrong. Thursday, May 28th at 10:06AM EST (link)…I would suggest that both right and left should be unafraid to criticize their own. This doesn’t have to take the form of “they’ve left the party!” or the enforcement of some monolithic point of view. I know conservatives who take issue with some parts of the overall “conservative platform” and/or its spokesmen, just as I know some liberals who criticize the actions of extreme elements like Code Pink or ANSWER.
The problem is that, in an America electorally dominated by political independents (does anyone dispute that after the last few elections?), both sides have circled the wagons and created checklists of “what makes a good [insert our name here]“. In reality, there are fiscal conservatives who are social liberals, just as there are social liberals who are moral conservatives. (I’m pretty much a centrist in this respect.) The right did their laagering first, I think; the Democrats managed to hold a “big tent” together longer, and reaped the electoral rewards. You’ll notice that, just in the last few months, that “big tent” is fraying a bit as the different constituencies on the left register their disapproval with their bits and pieces of opinion on Administration policies/actions.
I don’t know that America is still a right-of-center nation, particularly where the younger generations are concerned. If anything, that group of voters has a stronger sense of “hey, that issue is no skin off my back – leave it alone” than any of its predecessors. The conservative movement is not going to attract that generation of voters with a monolithic checklist; they’re going to have to acknowledge that we’re becoming a more generic constituency.
By the same token, there’s nothing to be gained (by either side) in picking some particular element and extrapolating its position(s) to “all the wingnuts” or “all the moonbats.” Most people realize, without being told, that no one person (or one person’s thought; shades of Mao Zedong!) embodies the whole of conservatism or liberalism. I don’t hold all conservatives to Limbaugh’s comments, nor do I hold all liberals to Rachel Maddow’s.
Finally, we all need to remember that neither the media nor the Internet are representative of voters or their opinions. There are, quite literally, millions of American voters who don’t have the time, inclination or resources to sit around and pontificate on blogs all day long. *chuckle*
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Erick I don't think you could have found a more appropriate analogy....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 10:20AM EST (link)indeed have the “moderates” denied WE the Conservatives, WE the Social Conservatives, WE the fiscal Conservatives all in the name of “big tent”. I only wish I had the wisdom you have to have seen that this is exactly the Peter Principle!
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zeebeach Thursday, May 28th at 11:17AM EST (link)We must all hang together, or surely….so true!
its a multiple street intersection with one of those round-abouts....
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 6:14PM EST (link)everyone must remember the
and that it is a two-way street…. Remember this diary in regard to TONE in the creation of your next Diary and/or Comment posting! Avoiding the BURN ALL BRIDGES approach…. Being CRITICAL of disagreements and perceived mistakes but having respect and leaving the room for working together (standing up about working together) in/on all those things in the GOP (still Conservative) Platform. That includes “ME,” this Diaries author, and all having responded here-in.
The ‘you have never got a GD thing right and you MUST change your tune/ways’ is NOT helpful… At all! … IMO, of course
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The principle is true tolerance
Beaglescout (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 12:25PM EST (link)There is true tolerance, in which we dislike the foibles of others but like the person.
And then there is the left’s version of tolerance, called partisan tolerance. They tolerate anything from someone of the left, and nothing from someone who is not of the left. Thus, a leftist judge can make racist statements and belong to an organization called THE RACE and nobody on the left even bats an eye. But a conservative judge happens to be Latino and is targeted precisely because of his heritage, and is even accused by a Dem Senator of being dishonest to play off the racist stereotypes. See how it works? This perverted version of tolerance used by the left needs to be called out every time we see it.
Partisan tolerance is tribalism, nothing less. And we should not tolerate it, for it is intolerant and it corrupts the debate.
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Jewels Thursday, May 28th at 12:32PM EST (link)Are you seriously quoting the Bible in an attempt at justification?
Are you seriously saying that everyone sins, so when a conservative spokesperson does it, we shouldn’t take it so seriously?
I know you didn’t just imply that everyone who has a problem with Levin, etc, is left leaning. Because that would be ridiculous and illustrate a willful ignorance of their position.
This comment, however, cracks me up. And not just because of the images of Chris Crocker that come to mind.
You disagree with me so shut the hell up.
You don’t have your own radio show, so shut the hell up.
But please remember to vote conservative next election, thankyouverymuch.
When it comes to some of the people you mentioned, I enjoy the entertainment they provide, and sometimes the good points they make. A few of the people mentioned (and probably intended) are simply bully-heade, and instead of taking on the left, they’ve decided to take on people on the right- for whatever their various reasons. Tell me now- what does that accomplish and how will it help us in 2012?
I'm not quite sure where to begin with the errors of your post
The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 2:54PM EST (link)So I’ll start with the simple one. By my count, Erick lists Limbaugh, Levin, Cheney, and William F Buckley by name. Name which one of these opinion columnists has bull-headedly attacked someone who falls within the general parameters of conservatism, and the conservative whom they attacked.
I will grant you that I don’t particularly like listening to Levin. But unlike you, that is because I think he, like me, has a voice for newspapers. But I will tolerate that discomfort, because I find the content of what he says valuable, even if the timber is somewhat irritating.
The Left needs to get a new enemy because it isn't elected Republicans
katesmith (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 4:04PM EST (link)Trent Lott tells the NY Times, 6/15/07:
* “”“Talk radio is running America. We have to deal with that problem.””
He was upset amnesty for illegals wasn’t passing and blamed talk radio. Mark Levin for president.