Above is a screen shot of the National Republican Senatorial Committee’s website.
They want you to give them money to fight “former Republican” Arlen Specter.
But up until he switched two weeks ago, the NRSC supported Arlen Specter.
At least Arlen was an incumbent Republican at the time.
But given all of that, why the heck should we trust their judgment on Charlie Crist?
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I just posted on another thread that Crist is basically a dem
red_dawn (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 10:32PM EST (link)and questioned supporting him, even in the general. I know others feel differently and I can respect that. But, if I lived in Florida, I just don’t know if I could vote for him.
So, I think Erick’s right. Why should we follow the lead, beyond just trusting, the NRSC? In my book, they’re practically Bizarro King Midas, so you know what anything/anyone they touch turns to.
What happened to "Statesmen"?
Captain_Toke (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 10:38PM EST (link)What happened to representatives going to their state capital or DC to represent? Seems to me all we got are politicians (and to me, “politician” is a bad word), from both parties, who are going to enrich themselves. Some may start with good intentions but seem to be corrupted during the campaign process or once they get elected.
I remember Boehner was asked on FoxNews during the porkulous bill debate why Republicans didn’t withdraw their earmarks from the bill and all he could say was something to the effect that the Dems were in charge.
What kind of answer is that?
So it's the Dem's fault that Republicans act like Democrats...That's just brilliant reasoning from the Minority Leader! nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:01AM EST (link)the GOP is out of touch...
cannedjam (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 10:54PM EST (link)The GOP is out of touch if they continue to support someone simply because they have an (R) after their name yet don’t hold to the core values of the party.
The party needs to clean house.
What is more important, having more (R)s in power or having more people who believe in limited government, personal responsibility, and honesty?
The only way the GOP will regain power is if they have a clear consistent and honest message. Simple as that.
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The Republicans aren't going to win unless
Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 11:00PM EST (link)they get rid of the losers at the top.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Nailed it in one note!
The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:19PM EST (link)And I’ll bet you didn’t even have to take an opinion poll.
Issue with the GOP
Lance Kates (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 11:03PM EST (link)It seems, more and more, like the difference between too many Republican Congressmen and Democrats is what special interest group they want to give federal money to.
And I can’t wholly blame those Republican Congressmen. Conservatives expect results and liberals expect free money. It is MUCH easier to give free money than results, so it is natural that Congressmen wanting to keep their job will start to play to the mush-minded ‘liberal’ end of the Republican spectrum.
Problem is, how is the RNC really expecting to keep conservatives if they only seem to find their Conservative roots when they’re the minority party.
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AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:04AM EST (link)There are two political parties.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 11:09PM EST (link)And they aren’t Rep and Dem. They are the residents of DC and everybody else.
exactly Mbecker, it's them against us.
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:27PM EST (link)They suffer from the effects of political inbreeding, regardless of party.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
And that is why I say the Republicans neeed to run against Congress,
Tbone (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 2:13PM EST (link)not their opponent.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Charlie Crist believes in the global warming fraud
katesmith (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 11:29PM EST (link)He’s been outspoken about this fraud and advocates spending for man-made alleged solutions. For this reason alone he should reitre to private life in shame. The GOP could sink Obama if they all got together and beat this issue to death. .
Amen to that!
Praying (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 11:36PM EST (link)Crap and tax is Baaaaaddddd!
No!!!11!1!!1!1! The Bilderbergers are coming
Crap & Tax yes, but we need to call it what it really is....
rcov092 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:08PM EST (link)the MASSIVE GLOBAL WARMING light switch tax. Every time you turn on a switch, you pay a massive tax. Or, in the alternative, especially for the South, the MASSIVE GLOBAL WARMING AIR-CONDITIONING TAX. Every time yur A/C kicks in you will pay their massive tax. Even though temperatures have been falling for the last 10 years.
Yes you Pilgrim, you will pay the tax. There are no “brackets”, no exemptions, nothing to spare you, the individual from paying this MASSIVE tax every time, you or your kids turns on a light, or turns on the A/C.
All of this is designed to give Al Gore and GE their “commission” for selling carbon credits. Wait, whatever they are charging, I will sell them to you for 10% of their price. Contact me and I will send you payment link and the “Official” Carbon Credit Certificate in exchange for your payment.
No matter what Waxman says or Pelosi. Even if in the first year they convince you you will not pay mare, within 2-3 years all lof us will be paying a MASSIVE GLOBAL WARMING Tax to prevent “Global Warming” every time we turn on a light, crank on the A/C, fill up the car, plug in the hybrid, buy a shirt, cook an egg, call your mother, light your grill, chill your beer, turn on your flat screen, ……you get the picture.
Once the combine the MASSIVE GLOBAL WARMING TAXES with the taxes they now want on:
health care benefits, soda, beer, cigarettes, oil exploration, etc…. they will need Bernie Madoff to hide it all…or Jeff Immelt.
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SteveLA (Diary) Wednesday, May 13th at 11:30PM EST (link)Erick,
I’d rather send money to Snarling Arlen’s Democratic opponents for the primary. Something like $.99 or so, just as a show of support for Arlen.
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A very simple reason for the NRSC endorsement
redloft Thursday, May 14th at 12:30AM EST (link)Charlie Crist wins this seat easily. Like it or not, this is reality. He may not be the perfect Republican, but he’ll keep the seat red (well, a light pink, since we’re talking about Charlie Crist). Plus, his candidacy saves the NRSC a ton of money to use on other candidates around the country. Cornyn and the Senate Leadership understand this simple fact.
So why exactly are we advocating withholding donations and support to the NRSC? That line of thinking is a disservice to the Republican Party. Sorry for the cliche’ but I just cannot understand why we would cut off our nose to spite our face.
Lame
IJB Thursday, May 14th at 2:16AM EST (link)Please try again.
you'll find little support for that
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Light pink?
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 8:05AM EST (link)Try dark purple.
How, precisely, does seating an (R) help us if he doesn’t BEHAVE like a Republican?
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Therein, randy, lies the problem.
mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 8:34AM EST (link)The so-called leaders of the Republican Party – McCain, etal on the Listening Tour – have openly admitted that they do not have the first clue about what the Party should stand for. Therefore, it would appear that given a vacuum of values simply stuffing an “R” behind your name is sufficient. And that’s not a problem that will fixed by 2010 or even 2012.
But many Republicans DO know what it means.
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 8:37AM EST (link)We have just misdefined “big tent” for so long that many are forgetting what the core principles are. Many of us, however, have not. The question is, how do we solve the disconnect without disenfranchising Republicans who are with us on most issues.
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Come on randy, take a deep breath.
mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 8:49AM EST (link)“many Republicans” doesn’t mean one damn thing. We keep putting up pathetic excuses for candidates with the likes of Ford, Bush41, Dole, Bush43 and McCain; we let the RMSP run over Gingrich & Co and we send out the Party heavyweights – or what passes for heavyweights – to campaign for the likes of Specter and Chafee.
This is not a one-off “oops”. We’ve gone so far as to elect two Republican Presidents (Both Bushes) who stand for nothing definable. McCain stands for nothing definable and we no only nominate the son of a bitch and watch him throw away any chance he had to win last November, but then we tolerate this Listening Tour that he’s an integral part of.
Sorry, but we belong to Party that doesn’t stand for anything and hasn’t stood for anything since Calvin Coolidge save one brief moment in the ’80′s.
How do we…? I’m not sure we do, at least until a new Party Leader appears. And I don’t think anybody currently on the national scene even comes close to qualifying.
So what's the solution?
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 8:58AM EST (link)Do we keep dragging along a party that no longer fits our ideals in the hopes that some day they’ll get their crap together?
do we abandon all hope and become voices in the wilderness, but remaining politically impotent?
I know you probably don’t have the answer — I know I sure as hell do not — but if the outlook is really as bleak as you’re painting, what’s the point in continuing?
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mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 9:02AM EST (link)Unfortunately that’s the only choice that I see that has any chance of working.
Starting a third party is a complete waste of time, resources, etc. unless you’ve got a leader to build it around. And, if there was a leader bold enough to build a winning third party around, s/he could walk in and take over the reigns of the Republican Party in about twenty minutes.
The point in continuing is the hope that a national leader will raise up, like Reagan did. Hopefully this time the second tier followers won’t tolerate an “heir” like B41 and they’ll be better organized for the end game.
Maybe instead of hoping for a messiah, we should pull an Obama and groom one.
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 9:09AM EST (link)there are plenty of pols out there wilth the potential to be great. maybe groups like RedState should be finding those individuals, promoting the hell out of them, making contact with them to get the dialogue rolling — identifying weak spots and working to deal with them.
The leaders have utterly failed us — but groups like RS, I think, give the grassroots a LOT potential to affect change within the party, IF we are willing to use it.
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Go ideas Randy..
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:17AM EST (link)the problem with that is the fact that we are all being opposed by the people with the money and power in the Party…how do we break that up?
By sending money to candidates instead of the national party.
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:36AM EST (link)It ain’t much, but it’ll help.
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agreed...nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:56AM EST (link)WE will be much better at allocating our own donations.
rcov092 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:15PM EST (link)better than giving to NRSC NRCC fail organizations. that brought us here.
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Is it possible that we might need to consider a third party even if it's in the short term to get their attention?
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:14AM EST (link)We have to send a message that we will not be taken for granted and we’re not their door mat!
I’m hesitant to say third party but I don’t see anything shaking these aXXholes up till they get trounced across the country by only getting 20% of the vote!
Big Shocker, Ace *still* looking for a reason to go third party
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:16AM EST (link)And you wonder why real Republicans never care what you think. Everyone knows you cannot be counted on to stick with the party.
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so now you're the sole judge of who is a "Real Republican" I suppose?
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:21AM EST (link)I raise the point for discussion….I’d be loath to do it…but if it’s the only way we’re ever going to break up the power base that is holding us back…why not discuss the possibility…sometimes the threat is all that’s needed. I think a push could be made that would scare the ever living crap out of the powers that be and shake them out of this focus group foolishness that has driven this party into the ground!
Real Republicans don't look for any excuse to leave the party
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:23AM EST (link)You’re just like Arlen Specter. You’re with us when it suits you, but you’ll walk out at the drop of a hat. No loyalty.
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Who said I was looking for "any" excuse to leave the Party....if that were the case...I'd just leave...
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:32AM EST (link)Come on Neil…that’s not my point…but I don’t see at this point how else you send a message that they’ll take seriously…they think they can do whatever they want and we’ll just fall in line. You’re one of the biggest advocates of doing just that.
Nothing is going to change in this party till someone draws a line in the sand and makes plain that if you cross the line…we’re done!
Again…I don’t want to leave the party…I want the party to represent me and the platform I’ve worked so hard for the last 8 years to shape…but if they refuse to do that…what else do we do…and spare me the “get involved, start at the precinct level blah blah blah that you always fall back on. Been there…done that!
Tell you what
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:34AM EST (link)Your saying you don’t want to leave would be much more credible if you weren’t talking about leaving the party so much.
Remember how creepily insistent you were on trying to pin me to a position on leaving the party?
We all see the pattern, Arlen.
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So now you're name calling Neil? you're better than that.
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:48AM EST (link)I simply asked you if you had a line beyond which you would not go. and again I ask you…if I didn’t care about this party…why wouldn’t I just leave….
I want to shake it…I want to slap it and get it’s attention…I keep hearing about how terrible Obama and his policies are…but I don’t see the Party doing anything to stop it. I see the party promoting people who are bent on helping Obama enact his agenda.
I’ve been told for years that I need to back off my SoCon positions because they’re divisive and we should all focus on what we agree on which was supposed to be smaller government, less spending…fiscal responsibility…a strong national defense…so now I have no choice to back off my SoCon agenda and focus on the fiscal and smaller government agenda because we have a President who is involved in an unprecedented assault in the free market, has tripled the highest deficit in American History, is firing CEOs at private corporations, setting spending guidelines on advertising and other policies for Chrysler, and MY party is out there promoting a candidate who would help Obama accomplish his ends against a candidate that would work to stop it!
So now I’m supposed to compromise my SoCon Principles…but also my FisCon principles and not ask the question why I shouldn’t consider sending a message?
Spare me please…
Neil is a nice guy.
Leon H. Wolf (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:45AM EST (link)He’s being rather polite about saying that your crap is not welcome here. I’m afraid the message is being lost in the polite language. So allow me to perhaps clarify what Neil is saying and expand on it.
RedState is not a site for you to come here and start your third party advocacy crap. Period. Full stop. This includes “I don’t *want* to leave and join a Third Party, *but*…” Do it again and I will boot you. If I see another comment of yours that contains the words “third party” in that order, I’m not going to inquire as to your intentions or as to whether you’ve successfully walked a fine enough line. You will be summarily booted. You may or may not care, but that is how it’s gonna go, end of discussion.
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Leon...with all duye respect, I'm not advocating a third party...never have...and I'm not asjking anyone else to either for what it's worth. nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:53AM EST (link)Then best to stop talking about it altogether.
Leon H. Wolf (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:56AM EST (link)So people don’t get the wrong impression.
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Point taken...thanks for the warning...I'm frustrated and a little to quick on the keyboard at the moment. I apologize without reservation or excuse. nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:06AM EST (link)Switching to teach a lesson doesn't work.
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:28AM EST (link)It only gives elections to the Dems. In EVERY election going back to Lincoln’s day (and probably before), splitting a ticket is the surest way to hand the office to the group that both sides of the split ticket LEAST want to win.
No! Fight our battles in the primary season. Send messages to the national party by electing conservative voices in the primaries…. but if you lose, back the candidate that the rest of our party picked. Otherwise, we get more socialists running our country and our party does more self destruction.
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I agree Hibbert...in a perfect world....but the issue here is the Party backing a candidate in an open primary against our will!
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:37AM EST (link)We can’t send them a message by electing a conservative in the primary because the party is backing Crist with it’s money, it’s advertising and it’s support against the candidate we would promote! Oh…and they’ll promote Crist by talking about how conservative he is so that Republicans who don’t spend the time educating themselves like we all do will be fooled about the wolf in sheep’s clothing that Crist represents!
Ace how many votes does the party get on election day??
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:40AM EST (link)In other words…if you want to send the party a message send it via Rubio or Toomey…put all your effort into electing these men as a refutation of the party establishment. Hold back you money and support in the general if you feel you need to. But don’t vote for or actively campaign for the Dem or third party because that hurts the people more that it will ever hurt the party.
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I agree...and I need to back off this line of discussion so let's leave it there...nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:54AM EST (link)We have to change their mindset.
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:03AM EST (link)The main reason the moderates get the party backing is because of the myth that a conservative can’t get elected. People voted for McCain in the last presidential election because they thought he was a moderate that the media loved and that McCain would get better treatment than any other Republican. I’d bet that many of the Republicans who voted McCain would have preferred a different candidate, but settled for him because he was the only one who could beat the Democrats in the general.
That’s the mindset we need to change. We need to prove that a conservative can win in the general. The only way to do that is to win in the primaries in spite of the support the moderate gets from the national party level. Then win in the general against the Democrat. No, it’s not going to be easy, but it’s something we have to attempt to have ANY hope of turning this party back to conservative principles. Don’t give to the NRSC or other subgroups that support the wrong people in the primaries. Give directly to the candidates that share your views and to organizations that support such candidates. Work for your candidate to win.
To go to a 3rd party is the “I’m not getting my way so I’m taking my ball and going home” solution. It doesn’t accomplish anything and the people you were trying to convince will have the same reaction to you that we had when Specter flipped. He wasn’t a real Republican anyway.
I can honestly sympathize with your frustration, but I also know that the only way to get this party back on top of the Dems is to fight on ideology in the primary, but support the party’s winner in the general.
We also must remember the 11th commandment while fighting those primary battles. We can’t destroy each other in the primary and expect to win in the general if we’ve already done the Democrat’s work for them.. I guess this was my “open warfare” objection from the other NRSC thread.
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Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:05AM EST (link)Though I had it in there….
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Ace...what would Reagan do...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:37AM EST (link)That is what you should be asking yourself. He went to work to fix the party starting back in ’64 and he didn’t quit until he left the Presidency….do that instead of threatening to leave the party…even for a limited time.
The conversation itself is unproductive.
Sorry brotha…but that is the way it is…and it ain’t changing.
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Aaron, I disagree that the conversation is unproductive.
Brian Hibbert (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:08AM EST (link)It’s a feeling I hear expressed often. And rather than shutting it down, we should explain why it’s a losing strategy.
Your What Would Reagan Do statement is a prime example of the conversation we should have.
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Brian...the conversation had become unproductive...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:23AM EST (link)as they often do….this is a conversation that should be had off line because we don’t need some troll or moby to come into this thread under the cover of the venting of an otherwise good member of the community, and then start spouting off. Simply put this isn’t a good discussion for an open forum.
And Ace knows all this stuff…but he has been venting for two days…it is time for him to relax on this subject and just work towards the goal of not losing the fricken primary in the first place. And when we do win with Rubio and Toomey and many others….I don’t want real Republicans who aren’t conservative to use the same excuse that Ace is using to talk about ditching the party….it is a destructive conversation to have in public.
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AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:03PM EST (link)Forget the third party....
rcov092 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:17PM EST (link)wee need to take control on the local level and push the “Federalism Amendments” instead. Screw the party leadership., they need to start taking directions from us. instead.
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The_Gadfly (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:26PM EST (link)on August 1 in Georgia.
After that, start working your local precinct. Make sure your locals are feeding the right info up the line.
In some ways, things are worse than mbecker says, but you keep soldiering on with grim determination to complete the hard slog because you know the other guys can’t.
how does it help up us?
redloft Thursday, May 14th at 1:42PM EST (link)Very simple-Crist will caucus with Republicans. You cannot minimize the importance of that.
Arlen Specter caucused with Republicans
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:55PM EST (link)So did Linc Chafee.
So did Jim Jeffords.
So did Bob Smith.
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So why are they giving Crist money to oppose Rubio?
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:08AM EST (link)And whose cutting off their nose to spite their face? It’s the NRSC and the Republican establishment who insists on giving the vast majority of this party the finger in an asinine attempt to expand the tent…what they and you fail to understand is that as you cram liberals in one end…you are pushing conservatives out the other!
Playing Devil's Advocate-The NRSC has one mission...
Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:58AM EST (link)Electing GOP Senators. Period. They aren’t tasked with finding the purest ideological candidate, the strongest leader, or with being concerned about Gubernatorial or down ticket races. Their job is electing as many Republicans to the Senate as possible.
If there is a candidate you think can beat Crist in the primaries, by all means support him. But sitting on your hands to spite your face in November is what gave us the Obamanation.
I don’t know whether they do, but it would be nice if the NRSC accepted targeted donations, BTW.
Again Dio...my party is working against me...
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:03AM EST (link)if they were backing Crist against Boxer in California I’d say you had a point…because California is the bluest of blue states…that’s not the case…Florida isn’t blue is it?
The NRCS has no business taking sides i an open primary…period!
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Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:23AM EST (link)I absolutely agree. Which is why I would recommend not donating a dime to them until after the primaries at least (unless they allow dor targeted donations).
As far as The NSRC’s mission being “…to curb spending, lower taxes, create jobs, and control the debt. “….
The only way to do that is to elect as many GOP Senators as possible. And I am less worried about Crist’s ideology that his loyalty. I can live with a Senator who dissents from the party on particular issues, as long as he votes with us on the vital ones.
Because you know the Donk he’ll be running against will toe the party line, and will be worse than he could conceivably be.
Crist DOESN'T vote with us on the vital issues.
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:41AM EST (link)He campaigned FOR one of the bills that put us into this gigantic hole we’re in. He’s FOR cap & trade. He is NOT a GOP senator in anything but the name.
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"He is NOT a GOP senator in anything but the name."
Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:52AM EST (link)Actually he’s a GOP Governor. And those are issues for the primaries, both his support for the bill AND whether he would put his ideology aside at crunch time and support his party.
Dio...again...the primaries are the issue...the party is backing him in an open primary...
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:59AM EST (link)we’re raising the issues about who and what Crist is because it IS a primary!
what has everyone so perplexed isn’t as mush Crists positions which are bad enough, or that he’s running against Rubio who Conservatives in a red to purple state support, it’s that the NRSC has decided to back him against Rubio.
The reason is...
Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:11PM EST (link)Right or wrong, they believe that he has the best chance of winning in November. Which is the sole reason they exist.
Again, I believe they should stay out of open primaries, I won’t give them a cent until after primary season is over. But I understand their reasoning.
I'm done. You're arguing out of both sides of your mouth.
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:15PM EST (link)I can’t compete with that and still claim to have intellectual integrity.
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I understand their reasoning...but it's not working and hasn't for the last two elections. but I'm not convinced that's the only reason.
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:25PM EST (link)I think they’re backing Crist because he has a war chest and it’s his turn…we don’t need new blood in their thinking…it’s about Crist being Governor and following the path the old guard want’s everyone to follow and it’s his turn pure and simple.
You did catch the "Devil's Advocate" in my initial post...
Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:39PM EST (link)I’m not saying I agree with them here. I’m more in line with what you are saying, but when it comes to the General Election, I’m going with Robert Heinlein…
There’s not always someone to vote for, but there’s always someone to vote against.
yeah...I got the devil's advocate part...I'm simply discussing the point...
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:53PM EST (link)and pointing out the idea that maintaining power isn’t their only motivator…some of them agree with Obama in their heart of hearts…they just want to be the ones running things.
Agreed on the GE, TO AN EXTENT -- but that does not give these jokers a pass
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:54PM EST (link)and it certainly doesn’t entitle them to our money during the GE. If they think Crist is so damned great, they can get him elected without me.
But you have to see how the argument breaks down here:
Us: the NRSC has no business taking sides in the primary
You: they’re not in the business of determining party purity, but of seating Republicans
Us: his stance makes him not a republican, so what’s the point of electing him anyway?
You: that’s something to parse out during the primaries
Us: Which is why the NRSC shoudl NOT be taking sides in the primary.
You: But they want to elect a Republican
Us: he’s not a Republican…
and so on, ad nauseum.
I understand playing devil’s advocate, but you can’t switch sides in the middle of the discussion without telling anyone.
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I'm not 'switching sides'...
Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:08PM EST (link)I happen to be right in the middle on this one. I think that obtaining a Senate majority (or as close as possible) in 2010 is job one. On the other hand, telling us who to vote for in the primary is none of their damned business. In my opinion, it goes beyond the NRSC. What we need is for the RNC (or some other group) to have some sort of oversight over them, so that that their scope is limited to the tactics of winning elections, and the strategy of who runs is left to those who are tasked with the welfare of the party as a whole.
i would agree with those sentiments, mostly.
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:14PM EST (link)A — we need to get a majority. BUT it has to be a majority of actual republicans. Meaning, at LEAST, small government, state’s rights, constitutionally based, lower taxes.
Crist doesn’t fit the bill.
B — picking Crist does indeed go way the hell outside their purview, but worse than that, I think it goes to a mentality that is ultimately BAD for the Republican party. Or, to be more accurate, SEVERAL philosophies and/or strategies that are bad for the party.
I just think that, until they shape up and learn what a “Republican” is, they shouldn’t get any money. If they want to put a liberal in a seat that could and should be held by a Republican, fine. But they’re NOT getting my support to do it.
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How about limiting the desision about who represents them to primary voters
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 3:00PM EST (link)as far as the rest of it goes…I’m still perplexed at how anyone could be neutral about let alone favor running Crist who anti SoCon and Pro Big Government against a Conservative candidate in a purple to red state!
bingo
kyle8 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:56PM EST (link)you hit the nail on the head, and I for one am sick and tired of that stupid sad old decrepit way of thinking.
We gave Dole and McCain the nomination because it was their turn, and how did that work out?
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
Electability...
Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:12PM EST (link)A good rule of thumb for the primaries…
If someone is said to be ‘electable’, vote for the other guy.
And THAT is a statement I can agree 100% on.
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:15PM EST (link)esp. if it’s the media doing the calling on that one.
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Now THAT I can agree with...nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 3:05PM EST (link)"issues for the primaries"
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:00PM EST (link)Which is WHY, even in your deifinition of what the NRSC is there for, they SHOULD NOT be backing anyone. That they are backing Crist, in spite of his record thus far, days to me that they are less interested in republican values than they are in holding power. No thanks.
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the maddening thing about all this is if they're only interested I holding power with this strategy...it's not working is it? nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:17PM EST (link)Any Candidate That Supports the "Global Warming Tax"
rcov092 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:22PM EST (link)even a Republican, even one with some semblance of “conservative” credentials…IS DEAD TO ME.
“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”
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Wrong. The NRSC's purposes, stated right at the top of their website...
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:05AM EST (link)are to curb spending, lower taxes, create jobs, and control the debt. Their support for Crist belies those supposed ideals.
Getting a republican on the Senate is pointless if he’s not actually a Republican. Like Crist.
A better option is to NOT donate to them at all, but send all support to candidates, and tell the NRSC where they can shove (and not gently) their requests for funds.
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And whose cutting off their nose to spite their face?
redloft Thursday, May 14th at 1:36PM EST (link)How is supporting Crist pushing conservatives out? If anything, his candidacy and the NRSC endorsement is helping conservatives. What you fail to understand is tht Rubio cannot beat Crist. If the party can clear the path to the nomination, Florida will have an untainted candidate in the general. All Rubio will do is beat up Crist in a primary, which means the NRSC will have to use its limited resources to fix the damage. That hurts conservatives, like Thune and Burr that are up for re-elect.
Rubio has a bright future in Florida, but his time in the spotlight has not yet come.I hope he’s just positioning himself and makes a gracious exit. And I hope the state party and the national Repbulicans take notice.
BTW, Crist is far from conservative, but if you know anything about his career, you will know his political mentor is anything but liberal.
Because "our" nose has cancer. nt
Ward_Off_Monkey Thursday, May 14th at 11:18AM EST (link)“The government’s view of the economy can be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” ~ Ronald Reagan
So you'd treat a migrane with a guillotine? NT
Diogenes314 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 11:27AM EST (link)Please offer proof of your assertion...
rcov092 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:09PM EST (link)n/t
“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”
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Who is the NRSC?
Vannek Thursday, May 14th at 1:36AM EST (link)I just visited their website. Besides Cornyn, who’s on this committee? Is it everyone Republican member of the Senate, or is it just a subset?
It's the campaign arm of the Party in the Senate tasked with electing Republicans to the Senate. nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:22AM EST (link)Been doing a pretty poor job, haven't they? nt
Ward_Off_Monkey Thursday, May 14th at 11:19AM EST (link)“The government’s view of the economy can be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” ~ Ronald Reagan
heh...that's why I'm so perplexed...they keep going back to an empty well...nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 12:55PM EST (link)Membership rotates among the best fundraisers
Adjoran (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:42AM EST (link)I fully understand why NRSCC supports all incumbents down the line. It’s an important tool in recruiting candidates: “Hey, win the seat and we’ll back you even against primary challenges.” Since it is a PARTY group, it makes prefect sense.
However, choosing a candidate in an open primary seems a bit overboard. Back the winner to the hilt, but remain neutral until someone wins. In this case, if Crist is so all-fired golden, he will win easily on his own.
All that said, I wouldn’t give the NRSCC a freakin’ penny. Evah. I don’t want any of my money going to the likes of Specter (up to now), Snowe, Collins, etc. I’ll support who I want. If the party puts up strong conservative candidates in Maine, Florida, and PA, I’ll support them. If they put up tax-hiking RINO squishes, let them eat cake.
It’s an important tool in recruiting candidates...
mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 8:38AM EST (link)Oh yeah, THAT explains why we’ve been SOOOOO successful.
Oh, and as far as the ME girls are concerned, I’d send them money. I don’t have a problem with them, by and large. They don’t even pretend to be in “leadership”, it’s pretty clear nobody in the Party listens to them, and they’ve really only “hurt” us on one vote, and even on that one if it hadn’t been for Specter I doubt they would have strayed.
Perhaps you didn't see this
The_Rebel (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 1:29PM EST (link)NYT column by Snowe a couple of weeks ago:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/29/opinion/29snowe.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
They hurt us in ways far beyond their Senate votes, as this article will attest.
That's exactly the point...bravo!
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:23AM EST (link)GOOD OL' BOYS CLUB!!!!!!
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 6:46AM EST (link)Wanna be a member?
main benefits: ELECTED FOR LIFE.
and you don't have to stand for anything! nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 10:24AM EST (link)Shouldn't that ad say
bk (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 7:04AM EST (link)Support the NRSC
and Stand up Against
the Guy we Spent
Millions of Dollars
Supporting for Years
Same thing we do with other leaders of other countries
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 9:28AM EST (link)We support them and then we stand up against them later on.
Hey Erick your diary "Not one Penny" is quoted in an AP article...heh!..
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 9:16AM EST (link)http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090514/ap_on_el_se/us_gop_going_moderate_1
“Almost immediately after Crist launched his campaign Tuesday, an influential conservative blogger asked readers to join a new Web-based group called “Not one penny to the National Republican Senatorial Committee.”
Erick Erickson explained his reasons on redstate.com: “Getting behind Crist in the Florida primary is wholly unacceptable.”
“I think the party is continuing to not get it, and they’ll continue to lose elections if they keep acting in bad faith like this,” said John Stemberger, a conservative activist who runs the Florida Family Policy Council. “This race in the primary is really going to be a battle for the heart and soul of the party.”
OMG man you made the oldstream media and it appears from their article they want Republicans to go left so again I say when the media is pushing a meme go the OTHER WAY
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Just called the NRSC to ask "if" I gave money to defeat Specter...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 9:24AM EST (link)who would that money go to…she said “to the winner of the primary” I asked her who besides Toomey is running and she said “no one” so I asked her if Toomey wins in PA does the NRSC give all the money that was donated to defeat Specter to Toomey and she didn’t have an answer! IMAGINE THAT!
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You could have asked her this too
bk (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 9:36AM EST (link)They recommended people demand Specter return contributions. Shouldn’t the NRSC return a percentage of donations they received since they were backing Specter until he switched?
Oh that is a good one but now....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 9:59AM EST (link)my boss is in so I cannot make that call
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lol! Sis, maybe some funds are meant to be "discretionary". nt
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, May 14th at 5:30PM EST (link)money talks
secondpatriot76 Thursday, May 14th at 4:38PM EST (link)The only thing the NRSC understands is money. If the money dries up due to actions like supporting Crist in the primary maybe the NRSC will get it. Time to dry up the money for the NRSC until they learn their proper place.
When the NRSC calls tell them to stay out of primaries and focus on winning general elections. When they send their “surveys” in the mail write “stay out of primaries” and send it back and do not put a stamp on it.
scott
money to palin instead
secondpatriot76 Thursday, May 14th at 4:41PM EST (link)Instead of sending money to the NRSC send money to Sarah Palin. That will drive the liberal media and the establishment GOP crazy.
scott