Comments on: Precisely Why the Tea Party is Needed [updated] http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/ Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:06:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: redneck_hippie http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20756 redneck_hippie Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:00:07 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20756 Hello, Is there any compromise gesture your committee would be willing to offer to the organizer of the subject (now-cancelled) event in order that they may exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right of peacable assembly? If the issue is the place of assembly, mightn't there be another place substituted? This could be offered through your council or the Office of the Mayor. Many see the issue of insurance as an excuse to disallow a group who are unhappy with taxation to air their greivances in a peaceful, orderly fashion. Hundreds of communities across America have been host to these gatherings which are a token and a sign of the people feeling free to express their political views without being unduly restricted by the government. All I am asking is that some consideration be given to avert the disaffection from your electorate that must surely follow such overweening bureauocracy. These are not Klansmen, Neonazis or anything approaching that. These are your friends and your neighbors. Please think again. I will be waiting your response. Hello,

Is there any compromise gesture your committee would be willing to offer to the organizer of the subject (now-cancelled) event in order that they may exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right of peacable assembly?

If the issue is the place of assembly, mightn’t there be another place substituted? This could be offered through your council or the Office of the Mayor. Many see the issue of insurance as an excuse to disallow a group who are unhappy with taxation to air their greivances in a peaceful, orderly fashion.

Hundreds of communities across America have been host to these gatherings which are a token and a sign of the people feeling free to express their political views without being unduly restricted by the government.

All I am asking is that some consideration be given to avert the disaffection from your electorate that must surely follow such overweening bureauocracy.

These are not Klansmen, Neonazis or anything approaching that. These are your friends and your neighbors. Please think again.

I will be waiting your response.

]]> By: mom2oneson http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20751 mom2oneson Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:25:41 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20751 By: ajl_mo http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20750 ajl_mo Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:54:22 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20750 This "group" is different because of it's size. For instance in my town a special use permit in the parks is required if you exceed the capacity of a site or want to have an event in area that isn't "reservable". In these cases it's more of way to put the dept on notice that a big event will be happening and a way to control the size of it if it gets out of control (think parties hosted by college kids). The liability issue arises when the city sees an issue that is outside the norm that they want to have coverage from a possible lawsuit. This “group” is different because of it’s size. For instance in my town a special use permit in the parks is required if you exceed the capacity of a site or want to have an event in area that isn’t “reservable”. In these cases it’s more of way to put the dept on notice that a big event will be happening and a way to control the size of it if it gets out of control (think parties hosted by college kids). The liability issue arises when the city sees an issue that is outside the norm that they want to have coverage from a possible lawsuit.

]]> By: ajl_mo http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20749 ajl_mo Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:47:34 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20749 Probably got the insurance and the permit. Though it's tough and epensive for an individual, it's not hard for actual organizations to do. A 2mil policy for example, required in my town for special events in a park, isn't really that expensive for a big group. A couple grand I think. Probably got the insurance and the permit. Though it’s tough and epensive for an individual, it’s not hard for actual organizations to do. A 2mil policy for example, required in my town for special events in a park, isn’t really that expensive for a big group. A couple grand I think.

]]> By: mom2oneson http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20748 mom2oneson Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:46:59 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20748 Share what they did to save someone else from reinventing the wheel! Share what they did to save someone else from reinventing the wheel!

]]> By: ajl_mo http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20747 ajl_mo Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:44:05 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20747 >why do they require insurance and not just a CYA the city isn’t responsible form? ******* As I understand it, and I ain't a lawyer, those forms that are signed saying you can't hold a party responsible for injury are basically useless. It's more of a thing to hold up in court to show an organization has done the minimum to warn people that what they are doing has a risk. But, as I understand, it doesn't offer much liability protection. The parking thing is a really a big liability for the city. Suppose the city says "Great, have you 500 person event at a park with parking for 80 people". Then Ralph goes, has to park along a busy street a mile away and gets run over on the way back. The grieving widow sues the city because it knowing allowed a large event at a park that can't handle the crowd. How many zeros will be on the end of that check is anybody's guess. But if the city requires insurance they're at least partly covered. >why do they require insurance and not just a CYA the city isn’t responsible form?
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As I understand it, and I ain’t a lawyer, those forms that are signed saying you can’t hold a party responsible for injury are basically useless. It’s more of a thing to hold up in court to show an organization has done the minimum to warn people that what they are doing has a risk. But, as I understand, it doesn’t offer much liability protection.

The parking thing is a really a big liability for the city. Suppose the city says “Great, have you 500 person event at a park with parking for 80 people”. Then Ralph goes, has to park along a busy street a mile away and gets run over on the way back. The grieving widow sues the city because it knowing allowed a large event at a park that can’t handle the crowd. How many zeros will be on the end of that check is anybody’s guess. But if the city requires insurance they’re at least partly covered.

]]> By: red4ever http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20746 red4ever Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:43:44 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20746 Are all constitutionally allowed restrictions. It keeps things from getting out of hand. Surely, we don't want someone to get hurt during these protests. The point is to tell the government overspending is wrong, not to see how much trouble we can cause. I see it is back on. How did they manage it? It would be nice to know for future reference because these problems are going to keep cropping up. Keep a manual of what to do will make planning and organizing easier next time. You know, so we aren't surprised at the red tape and have some knowledge of how to navigate it. Are all constitutionally allowed restrictions. It keeps things from getting out of hand. Surely, we don’t want someone to get hurt during these protests. The point is to tell the government overspending is wrong, not to see how much trouble we can cause.

I see it is back on. How did they manage it? It would be nice to know for future reference because these problems are going to keep cropping up. Keep a manual of what to do will make planning and organizing easier next time. You know, so we aren’t surprised at the red tape and have some knowledge of how to navigate it.

]]> By: mom2oneson http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20745 mom2oneson Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:40:01 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20745 I go to the park all the time, what is it about a group at the park that requires insurance? They are places for kids to play, they have equipment for kids to climb on, how is a group of adults that have no desire to run or climb or swing more of a liability? I go to the park all the time, what is it about a group at the park that requires insurance? They are places for kids to play, they have equipment for kids to climb on, how is a group of adults that have no desire to run or climb or swing more of a liability?

]]> By: mom2oneson http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20744 mom2oneson Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:35:30 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20744 why do they require insurance and not just a CYA the city isn't responsible form? I know this often keeps homeschool groups from meeting/forming, the parents can't afford liability insurance. It's ridiculous, some can't even meet at a church they pay tithes too because of the insurance requirement. why do they require insurance and not just a CYA the city isn’t responsible form?

I know this often keeps homeschool groups from meeting/forming, the parents can’t afford liability insurance. It’s ridiculous, some can’t even meet at a church they pay tithes too because of the insurance requirement.

]]> By: ajl_mo http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20743 ajl_mo Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:29:57 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20743 >And, you don’t see the problem with having to go to the Government to ask them for the right to protest the government? ******** Don't have to do it a park. Meet someone's house. Meet at a Legion hall. Meet on the property of a business that supports the cause. None of those situations require a permit or insurance. It's not the use or the cause that's in question. It's the place. And see my follow up. This park doesn't have the facilities to magically dump 500+ without some planning. The parking issue alone raises all kinds of liability for the city if it allows 500+. >And, you don’t see the problem with having to go to the Government to ask them for the right to protest the government?
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Don’t have to do it a park. Meet someone’s house. Meet at a Legion hall. Meet on the property of a business that supports the cause. None of those situations require a permit or insurance.

It’s not the use or the cause that’s in question. It’s the place. And see my follow up. This park doesn’t have the facilities to magically dump 500+ without some planning. The parking issue alone raises all kinds of liability for the city if it allows 500+.

]]> By: ajl_mo http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20742 ajl_mo Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:21:45 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20742 http://tinyurl.com/dxbrbx By my count there are approx 17 parking spaces in the park, certainly no more than 40 (if that's a lot hidden in the trees next to the water). The large lots to the south appear to be private lots for apartments/condos. It also looks like there is no on street parking near by (didn't see any parking in the aerial). The info from the park web site lists a restroom but from the Google aerial it looks like there can't be more than one. It'll be pretty messy if 500 people have to park off site, hoof to the park and then are stuck with 3 fixtures on a side. http://tinyurl.com/d7wv74 http://tinyurl.com/dxbrbx

By my count there are approx 17 parking spaces in the park, certainly no more than 40 (if that’s a lot hidden in the trees next to the water). The large lots to the south appear to be private lots for apartments/condos. It also looks like there is no on street parking near by (didn’t see any parking in the aerial).

The info from the park web site lists a restroom but from the Google aerial it looks like there can’t be more than one. It’ll be pretty messy if 500 people have to park off site, hoof to the park and then are stuck with 3 fixtures on a side.
http://tinyurl.com/d7wv74

]]> By: randy streu http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20740 randy streu Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:07:34 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20740 "legitimate" reasons or not, this is a clear infringement on rights guaranteed by the First Amendment. The right to free assembly should NOT be contingent on being able to afford insurance. And, you don't see the problem with having to go to the Government to ask them for the right to protest the government? Because I sure as hell do. “legitimate” reasons or not, this is a clear infringement on rights guaranteed by the First Amendment.

The right to free assembly should NOT be contingent on being able to afford insurance.

And, you don’t see the problem with having to go to the Government to ask them for the right to protest the government? Because I sure as hell do.

]]> By: ajl_mo http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20739 ajl_mo Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:57:28 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20739 FTA.... "WINK News spoke to the director of parks for Cape Coral. He says that even now if Rosko is willing to get insurance for the event he'll likely re-authorize it." Geez just get the permit. Parks departments have legit reasons for controlling the uses in parks. And having a 500+ crowd seems like a situation the Parks dept would like to have some control over. Per the article the dept is quite willing to work with the group. As far as the insurance requirement goes most large groups are required to have it in a park. This includes things such as soccer tourneys, large wedding parties or concerts. Bad things sometimes happen when large groups of people gather at organized event, even with the best of intentions. And a municipality is rightly concerned with it's liability exposure . Asked another way if you're a resident of Coral Cape and someone gets injured at the tea party (or soccer tourney or wedding or concert) do you want your city to be on the hook for a lawsuit? FTA….
“WINK News spoke to the director of parks for Cape Coral. He says that even now if Rosko is willing to get insurance for the event he’ll likely re-authorize it.”

Geez just get the permit. Parks departments have legit reasons for controlling the uses in parks. And having a 500+ crowd seems like a situation the Parks dept would like to have some control over. Per the article the dept is quite willing to work with the group.

As far as the insurance requirement goes most large groups are required to have it in a park. This includes things such as soccer tourneys, large wedding parties or concerts. Bad things sometimes happen when large groups of people gather at organized event, even with the best of intentions. And a municipality is rightly concerned with it’s liability exposure .

Asked another way if you’re a resident of Coral Cape and someone gets injured at the tea party (or soccer tourney or wedding or concert) do you want your city to be on the hook for a lawsuit?

]]> By: toddworsham http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20737 toddworsham Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:08:58 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20737 As it was discussed in another post discussing the local mafia canceling a tea party, someone brought up an important point. Many of the policies now being used to ban these tea parties were instated to combat lefty protests during the "good ole days" . Now theyve been getting in their way for almost 50 years, now when we protest were surprised to find these road blocks in our way. I suggest ignoring them.. Lets get grass roots people seriously. -Make the tea parties on weekends so people can show up on short notice. -Create phone trees to be used locally to notify people where to go and when to show up - if asked by anyone (government employees of any kind especially) why you showed up just say I planned my own 1 person personal protest and STICK TO IT!!! -This would be optional but to make a point it would do a lot. Anyone who can afford to be, should be arrested. That is, when the police show up to bust up your protest that isnt permitted some people can make a huge stink saying how they have a right to assemble. If you have a right to do something you should hardly have to get a permit to do it. And if you do have to get it a permit it should hardly be this cumbersome. Then those people need to refuse to leave and eventually get arrested for disorderly conduct or some such charge. These people would likely be retirees, independent business owners who can afford the publicity, or may be helped by it, college students etc. -If we are going to be serious about this civil disobedience of some sort will have to come into play. - just a suggestion, this is not to be construed as a suggestion to conduct any illegal activity ;) As it was discussed in another post discussing the local mafia canceling a tea party, someone brought up an important point. Many of the policies now being used to ban these tea parties were instated to combat lefty protests during the “good ole days” . Now theyve been getting in their way for almost 50 years, now when we protest were surprised to find these road blocks in our way. I suggest ignoring them.. Lets get grass roots people seriously.

-Make the tea parties on weekends so people can show up on short notice.
-Create phone trees to be used locally to notify people where to go and when to show up
- if asked by anyone (government employees of any kind especially) why you showed up just say I planned my own 1 person personal protest and STICK TO IT!!!
-This would be optional but to make a point it would do a lot. Anyone who can afford to be, should be arrested. That is, when the police show up to bust up your protest that isnt permitted some people can make a huge stink saying how they have a right to assemble. If you have a right to do something you should hardly have to get a permit to do it. And if you do have to get it a permit it should hardly be this cumbersome. Then those people need to refuse to leave and eventually get arrested for disorderly conduct or some such charge. These people would likely be retirees, independent business owners who can afford the publicity, or may be helped by it, college students etc.
-If we are going to be serious about this civil disobedience of some sort will have to come into play.
- just a suggestion, this is not to be construed as a suggestion to conduct any illegal activity ;)

]]> By: david farrar http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20732 david farrar Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:57:30 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20732 <p>Asleep, again, it seems.</p> <p>It's ironic, I have been carrying on a conversation with Saul Anuzis over his efforts to engage the grassroots of the party (<a target="_blank" href="http://thenextright.com/sanuzis/rnc-transition-team-report" rel="nofollow"><strong><u><font color="#333ff0">click here</font></u></strong></a>), and we have the Tea Party movement struggling to survive. Where is the party? Not where they should be that's for sure.</p> <p>Saul seems to think hobnobbing with a few RNC members, "politicos", consultants and a blast here and there on their grassroots email list, asking for donations, is enough "engagement" by the party elite with their grassroots. Besides, the corporate leaders of our party aren't really interested in funding tea parties. It's not part of their political agenda.</p> <p>No, if we want our government back, we are going to have to do it without Saul Ansuiz and company.</p> <p>ex animo</p> <p><a target="_blank" href="http://nolp.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"><img alt="" src="http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg288/vvtrs/gif%20icons/B-HopelessEnslaved.gif" /></a></p> <p>davidfarrar</p> Asleep, again, it seems.

It’s ironic, I have been carrying on a conversation with Saul Anuzis over his efforts to engage the grassroots of the party (click here), and we have the Tea Party movement struggling to survive. Where is the party? Not where they should be that’s for sure.

Saul seems to think hobnobbing with a few RNC members, "politicos", consultants and a blast here and there on their grassroots email list, asking for donations, is enough "engagement" by the party elite with their grassroots. Besides, the corporate leaders of our party aren’t really interested in funding tea parties. It’s not part of their political agenda.

No, if we want our government back, we are going to have to do it without Saul Ansuiz and company.

ex animo

davidfarrar

]]> By: redneck_hippie http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20731 redneck_hippie Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:35:14 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20731 not that they have my vote to fear, but I want them to realize that their action is raising scrutiny outside their community. Thanks for the info, CW. not that they have my vote to fear, but I want them to realize that their action is raising scrutiny outside their community.

Thanks for the info, CW.

]]> By: ColdWarrior http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20729 ColdWarrior Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:14:54 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20729 Go here: http://www.capecoral.net/ From the site: City Council P.O. Box 150027 Cape Coral, FL 33915 - 0027 phone: 239-574-0437 fax: 239-574-0429 email: council@capecoral.net Cape Coral, FL elected officials Jim Burch, Mayor Phone: 239-574-0436 Email: jburch@capecoral.net Term Expires: November 2009 All of the city council members list their office number as (239) 574-0436. District 1: Gloria Tate Email: gtate@capecoral.net District 2: Peter Brandt Email: pbrandt@capecoral.net District 3: William Deile Email: bdeile@capecoral.net District 4: Dolores Bertolini Email: dbertolini@capecoral.net District 5: Eric D. Grill Email: egrill@capecoral.net District 6: Timothy Day Email: tday@capecoral.net District 7: Derrick L. Donnell Ed. D Email: ddonnell@capecoral.net Go here: http://www.capecoral.net/

From the site:

City Council
P.O. Box 150027
Cape Coral, FL 33915 – 0027
phone: 239-574-0437
fax: 239-574-0429
email: council@capecoral.net
Cape Coral, FL elected officials

Jim Burch, Mayor

Phone: 239-574-0436
Email: jburch@capecoral.net
Term Expires: November 2009

All of the city council members list their office number as (239) 574-0436.

District 1: Gloria Tate
Email: gtate@capecoral.net

District 2: Peter Brandt
Email: pbrandt@capecoral.net

District 3: William Deile
Email: bdeile@capecoral.net

District 4: Dolores Bertolini
Email: dbertolini@capecoral.net

District 5: Eric D. Grill
Email: egrill@capecoral.net

District 6: Timothy Day
Email: tday@capecoral.net

District 7: Derrick L. Donnell Ed. D
Email: ddonnell@capecoral.net

]]> By: JLenardDetroit http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20728 JLenardDetroit Sun, 29 Mar 2009 19:06:48 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20728 Official "Tea Party Rally" (Permitted) alternative (no permits).... CALL IT A "PATRIOTS NIGHT OUT DOWNTOWN" or whatever, a non-officially organized event that is promoted so as to PROMOTE YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES and make the Tea Party point on the side! If a couple 100 or 1,000 people all show up in the same general place... then fan out and get in nice polite lines outside on the sidewalks to "get-in" to the local restaurants (that won't be able to seat them all at once) are the Cops going to demand that they cannot wait in line to eat!?!?!? Overwhelm the local Eateries and be prepared to PATRONIZE THEM and to be patient waiting outside to do so! If you don't want to <a href="http://www.reteaparty.com/" rel="nofollow">Buy A T-Shirt</a> (I'm sure tons of places are selling T-Shirts and such), just print something out on a 8.5x11 paper (<a href="http://www.freedomworks.org/petition/iamwithrick/signslogans.html" rel="nofollow">sign tips</a>) and double-side tape it to you front and back (or <a href="http://www.zazzle.com/peacpac" rel="nofollow">Buy Buttons to wear</a>), carry a small <a href="http://www.quinnflags.com/quantityDiscountProductDetails.asp?CatId=1&SubCatId=5&CategoryName=U%2ES%2E+Stick+Flags&Id=2326" rel="nofollow">4th of July sized waving Flag</a> (<a href="http://www.quinnflags.com/productDetails.asp?CatId=11&SubCatId=56&CategoryName=Misc+Historical&Id=632" rel="nofollow">4"x6" Gadsden</a>, <a href="http://www.quinnflags.com/productDetails.asp?CatId=11&SubCatId=56&CategoryName=Misc+Historical&Id=626" rel="nofollow">4x6" Culpepper</a>, and more) which you should be able to find in many stores (Dollar stores usually have a few around), simple things that will work to make your point and NOT require a Permit. <b>RESOURCES:</b> <a href="http://taxdayteaparty.com/" rel="nofollow">Tax Day Tea Party site</a> with Daily email update signup <a href="http://www.teapartyrevolution.com/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Tea Party Revolution site</a> <a href="http://www.reteaparty.com/" rel="nofollow">ReTeaParty (for 4th of July) site</a> Official “Tea Party Rally” (Permitted) alternative (no permits)….

CALL IT A “PATRIOTS NIGHT OUT DOWNTOWN” or whatever, a non-officially organized event that is promoted so as to PROMOTE YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES and make the Tea Party point on the side!

If a couple 100 or 1,000 people all show up in the same general place… then fan out and get in nice polite lines outside on the sidewalks to “get-in” to the local restaurants (that won’t be able to seat them all at once) are the Cops going to demand that they cannot wait in line to eat!?!?!? Overwhelm the local Eateries and be prepared to PATRONIZE THEM and to be patient waiting outside to do so! If you don’t want to Buy A T-Shirt (I’m sure tons of places are selling T-Shirts and such), just print something out on a 8.5×11 paper (sign tips) and double-side tape it to you front and back (or Buy Buttons to wear), carry a small 4th of July sized waving Flag (4″x6″ Gadsden, 4×6″ Culpepper, and more) which you should be able to find in many stores (Dollar stores usually have a few around), simple things that will work to make your point and NOT require a Permit.

RESOURCES:
Tax Day Tea Party site with Daily email update signup
Tea Party Revolution site
ReTeaParty (for 4th of July) site

]]> By: redneck_hippie http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20727 redneck_hippie Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:47:24 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20727 Let's get those phone and fax numbers and email addresses. Let’s get those phone and fax numbers and email addresses.

]]> By: johnnychimpo http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/29/precisely-why-the-tea-party-is-needed/comment-page-1/#comment-20726 johnnychimpo Sun, 29 Mar 2009 18:42:52 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/erick/?p=1741#comment-20726 I realize it's easy for me to suggest, not being in Florida, but isn't the whole idea that we're trying to send a message that we're not going to stand for overreaching by government, whether it's taxes or curtailing our individual freedoms (such as the freedom to assemble, to petition the government, etc)? If we're really serious about these Tea Parties, and about getting our message out there, wouldn't it follow that we wouldn't let the city's demand for a permit stop us? And again, I realize it's easier said then done, but at some point we need to take a stand. Show the local government that we don't recognize their authority to take away our Constitutional right to assemble, and that we don't need a permit to do so. It is our right, under the laws of this country, and we're going to show up and protest anyway, permit or not, insurance or not. I realize it’s easy for me to suggest, not being in Florida, but isn’t the whole idea that we’re trying to send a message that we’re not going to stand for overreaching by government, whether it’s taxes or curtailing our individual freedoms (such as the freedom to assemble, to petition the government, etc)?

If we’re really serious about these Tea Parties, and about getting our message out there, wouldn’t it follow that we wouldn’t let the city’s demand for a permit stop us? And again, I realize it’s easier said then done, but at some point we need to take a stand. Show the local government that we don’t recognize their authority to take away our Constitutional right to assemble, and that we don’t need a permit to do so. It is our right, under the laws of this country, and we’re going to show up and protest anyway, permit or not, insurance or not.

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