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	<title>Comments on: Isakson Hacks Off the GOP Base Again</title>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Christian</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20538</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We worked hard to get Saxby reelected in the runoff trying to keep the dems from having a 60 vote filibuster proof Senate.  But then there was Collins, Snowe, and Specter!!!  Now I find out that BOTH Georgia Senators have voted for this bill which may try and force my son, brothers, and sister into this type of mandatory volunteering (can you say oxymoron?)!!!

I agree that a lot more people know Herman Cain and I hope he challenges Isakson because I ignored my gut feeling and better judgment by working hard for Saxby (not because of Saxby but for the Nation in trying to stop the filibuster proof Senate) but I will NOT do this again for Isakson.  I am sick of these politicians going to D.C. and forgetting about Georgia, playing BFF with the liberals!!!  It makes me sick and the only way to change this cycle of abuse to the taxpayers is to get rid of ALL of the abusers from both sides of the aisle!!!  But when we get ready to get rid of one we must have a viable candidate who is CONSERVATIVE!!!  I love the idea of Herman Cain being our Senator and I would work hard for him if he runs (I hope he does)   ;  )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We worked hard to get Saxby reelected in the runoff trying to keep the dems from having a 60 vote filibuster proof Senate.  But then there was Collins, Snowe, and Specter!!!  Now I find out that BOTH Georgia Senators have voted for this bill which may try and force my son, brothers, and sister into this type of mandatory volunteering (can you say oxymoron?)!!!</p>
<p>I agree that a lot more people know Herman Cain and I hope he challenges Isakson because I ignored my gut feeling and better judgment by working hard for Saxby (not because of Saxby but for the Nation in trying to stop the filibuster proof Senate) but I will NOT do this again for Isakson.  I am sick of these politicians going to D.C. and forgetting about Georgia, playing BFF with the liberals!!!  It makes me sick and the only way to change this cycle of abuse to the taxpayers is to get rid of ALL of the abusers from both sides of the aisle!!!  But when we get ready to get rid of one we must have a viable candidate who is CONSERVATIVE!!!  I love the idea of Herman Cain being our Senator and I would work hard for him if he runs (I hope he does)   ;  )</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote about that in the octuplet mom diary, I wish they had more grandma/emtpy nest types working as social workers, especially with new mothers,  or situations where there are children, instead they have women that have no idea what a family is about and usually a distorted view of it.

You really hit the nail on the head, I believe the people in charge and other youth will be a danger to the youths there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about that in the octuplet mom diary, I wish they had more grandma/emtpy nest types working as social workers, especially with new mothers,  or situations where there are children, instead they have women that have no idea what a family is about and usually a distorted view of it.</p>
<p>You really hit the nail on the head, I believe the people in charge and other youth will be a danger to the youths there.</p>
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		<title>By: aesthete</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20535</link>
		<dc:creator>aesthete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve worked with both churches, and religiously-based groups, and with secular charities, and I can tell you, religious groups are much more likely to be more child- and youth- friendly venues than secular charities. For one thing, you get quite a different crowd w/each one; in religiously-based charities and activities, you mostly get older people and adults in their 40&#039;s w/kids--a fairly good environment for a child or teenage-old person. OTOH, you get lots, and I mean LOTS, of college yuppies who want to &quot;change the world&quot; in secular charities, and so you get a lot of sex-themed conversation, as well as a liberal (but uncreative) use of choice 4-letter words. Besides that, usually the heads of these little groups are either a) aging hippies, b) lawyers and young professionals, or c) &quot;community organizers&quot;. Therefore you get fairly inundated in the liberal mindset whenever you&#039;re around these groups.

Almost as bad, these groups tend to be fairly ineffective long-term; religiously-based groups tend to offer more post-activity help, such as job training, referrals to Alcoholics Anonymous and the like, and, of course, offer the spiritual cure for what ails them. Secular groups, OTOH, are forced to rely on huge group activites that are organized monthly, or maybe quarterly, as they simply don&#039;t have (or haven&#039;t invested the time in creating) the infrastructure and personnel to suppor such things. That&#039;s why you&#039;ll see massive volunteer armies for their causes, but precious little to show in terms of results.

On top of all that, these groups are really much more careless with the few kids and youths who volunteer, with minimal efforts made to protect them. Again, mostly due to demographics: most of these people are well-intended, but are single and haven&#039;t worked w/kids enough to develop the sense that parents and the elderly w/children have.

Again, this is a huge generalization, and there are exceptions, but all of the secular groups I&#039;ve worked with have had one or all of these traits.

I hope that the morons who signed off on this bill realize that they&#039;ve severly hampered the ability of charity work to have any sort of long-lasting effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked with both churches, and religiously-based groups, and with secular charities, and I can tell you, religious groups are much more likely to be more child- and youth- friendly venues than secular charities. For one thing, you get quite a different crowd w/each one; in religiously-based charities and activities, you mostly get older people and adults in their 40&#8242;s w/kids&#8211;a fairly good environment for a child or teenage-old person. OTOH, you get lots, and I mean LOTS, of college yuppies who want to &#8220;change the world&#8221; in secular charities, and so you get a lot of sex-themed conversation, as well as a liberal (but uncreative) use of choice 4-letter words. Besides that, usually the heads of these little groups are either a) aging hippies, b) lawyers and young professionals, or c) &#8220;community organizers&#8221;. Therefore you get fairly inundated in the liberal mindset whenever you&#8217;re around these groups.</p>
<p>Almost as bad, these groups tend to be fairly ineffective long-term; religiously-based groups tend to offer more post-activity help, such as job training, referrals to Alcoholics Anonymous and the like, and, of course, offer the spiritual cure for what ails them. Secular groups, OTOH, are forced to rely on huge group activites that are organized monthly, or maybe quarterly, as they simply don&#8217;t have (or haven&#8217;t invested the time in creating) the infrastructure and personnel to suppor such things. That&#8217;s why you&#8217;ll see massive volunteer armies for their causes, but precious little to show in terms of results.</p>
<p>On top of all that, these groups are really much more careless with the few kids and youths who volunteer, with minimal efforts made to protect them. Again, mostly due to demographics: most of these people are well-intended, but are single and haven&#8217;t worked w/kids enough to develop the sense that parents and the elderly w/children have.</p>
<p>Again, this is a huge generalization, and there are exceptions, but all of the secular groups I&#8217;ve worked with have had one or all of these traits.</p>
<p>I hope that the morons who signed off on this bill realize that they&#8217;ve severly hampered the ability of charity work to have any sort of long-lasting effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus_Traianus</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20533</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus_Traianus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, you tried to phrase it carefully- but that&#039;s probably purely accidental. 

Now, I know a little about Communism, Marxism, The Hitler Youth and CYLK. But that&#039;s me. Care to share what you meant and how this program in structure and intent is different?

It would help you from receiving a permanent label, oh like, troll or moby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, you tried to phrase it carefully- but that&#8217;s probably purely accidental. </p>
<p>Now, I know a little about Communism, Marxism, The Hitler Youth and CYLK. But that&#8217;s me. Care to share what you meant and how this program in structure and intent is different?</p>
<p>It would help you from receiving a permanent label, oh like, troll or moby.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus_Traianus</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20532</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus_Traianus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They keep us under close observation :-)</description>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20531</link>
		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the problem is with forcing them. I was responding to the post about suze giving out needles. I was trying to say apart from the issue of who children belong too, even at a soup kitchen or homeless shelter they could be around not nice people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem is with forcing them. I was responding to the post about suze giving out needles. I was trying to say apart from the issue of who children belong too, even at a soup kitchen or homeless shelter they could be around not nice people.</p>
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		<title>By: Wing Zero</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20527</link>
		<dc:creator>Wing Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in VA now, but I&#039;m a native Georgian and only left when I joined the Air Force.  

The slide this nation is in sickens me.  I&#039;m not turning over my Daughter to the state to be raised.  I know what&#039;s best for her, and I&#039;m not going to let her be sent off to some reeducation camp where she&#039;s going to come back and ask me why I don&#039;t do more to save the planet, or do something worse like those actions out of Hitlers Germany, or the Soviet Union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in VA now, but I&#8217;m a native Georgian and only left when I joined the Air Force.  </p>
<p>The slide this nation is in sickens me.  I&#8217;m not turning over my Daughter to the state to be raised.  I know what&#8217;s best for her, and I&#8217;m not going to let her be sent off to some reeducation camp where she&#8217;s going to come back and ask me why I don&#8217;t do more to save the planet, or do something worse like those actions out of Hitlers Germany, or the Soviet Union.</p>
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		<title>By: Wing Zero</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20528</link>
		<dc:creator>Wing Zero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in VA now, but I&#039;m a native Georgian and only left when I joined the Air Force.  

The slide this nation is in sickens me.  I&#039;m not turning over my Daughter to the state to be raised.  I know what&#039;s best for her, and I&#039;m not going to let her be sent off to some reeducation camp where she&#039;s going to come back and ask me why I don&#039;t do more to save the planet, or do something worse like those actions out of Hitlers Germany, or the Soviet Union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in VA now, but I&#8217;m a native Georgian and only left when I joined the Air Force.  </p>
<p>The slide this nation is in sickens me.  I&#8217;m not turning over my Daughter to the state to be raised.  I know what&#8217;s best for her, and I&#8217;m not going to let her be sent off to some reeducation camp where she&#8217;s going to come back and ask me why I don&#8217;t do more to save the planet, or do something worse like those actions out of Hitlers Germany, or the Soviet Union.</p>
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		<title>By: AHALgal</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20524</link>
		<dc:creator>AHALgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>because he had the business community behind him and name recognition. Zell Miller was finishing out the term vacated by the death of Paul Coverdell. When Zell decided to retire after his own term, Johnny had the Cobb GOP machine behind him.

Nobody knew his challengers in that primary. A lot has changed since then. Herman Cain is a well-known radio host, the GOP House delegation is omnipresent on local news, and now Johnny&#039;s record shows him to be an opportunist RINO on many issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>because he had the business community behind him and name recognition. Zell Miller was finishing out the term vacated by the death of Paul Coverdell. When Zell decided to retire after his own term, Johnny had the Cobb GOP machine behind him.</p>
<p>Nobody knew his challengers in that primary. A lot has changed since then. Herman Cain is a well-known radio host, the GOP House delegation is omnipresent on local news, and now Johnny&#8217;s record shows him to be an opportunist RINO on many issues.</p>
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		<title>By: TxCon</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20523</link>
		<dc:creator>TxCon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did he win the primary in 2004?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did he win the primary in 2004?</p>
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		<title>By: AHALgal</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20522</link>
		<dc:creator>AHALgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming from a conservative Georgian living just a few miles from Isakson&#039;s ashtray-full home I can tell you from here that he is going to get challenged. 

It&#039;s time for everyone&#039;s least favorite chain-smoking GOP GA Senator to retire. 

His support of HR 1388 - the Brownshirt Bill - is just further evidence that Johnny never stopped being a Democrat, even after officially switching parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming from a conservative Georgian living just a few miles from Isakson&#8217;s ashtray-full home I can tell you from here that he is going to get challenged. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for everyone&#8217;s least favorite chain-smoking GOP GA Senator to retire. </p>
<p>His support of HR 1388 &#8211; the Brownshirt Bill &#8211; is just further evidence that Johnny never stopped being a Democrat, even after officially switching parties.</p>
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		<title>By: aesthete</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20518</link>
		<dc:creator>aesthete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is not what it is that children are being forced to do, but that they are being forced to do it. For instance, I think that tithing, and helping out in your church, are good ideas. However, I don NOT want to see the government force citizens to do either of these things, because that implies that citizens are nothing more than the handmaidens of bureaucracy, and not actual individuals who have the freedom to say, &quot;thanks, but no thanks.&quot; I can&#039;t believe that there are people who don&#039;t get this concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not what it is that children are being forced to do, but that they are being forced to do it. For instance, I think that tithing, and helping out in your church, are good ideas. However, I don NOT want to see the government force citizens to do either of these things, because that implies that citizens are nothing more than the handmaidens of bureaucracy, and not actual individuals who have the freedom to say, &#8220;thanks, but no thanks.&#8221; I can&#8217;t believe that there are people who don&#8217;t get this concept.</p>
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		<title>By: EzOnTheEyez</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20512</link>
		<dc:creator>EzOnTheEyez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Newt Gingrich, U.S. Rep. Paul Broun or some more conservative state officeholder can knock Isakson off in the primary much like the Utah Attorney General looks poised to knock off Bob Bennett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Newt Gingrich, U.S. Rep. Paul Broun or some more conservative state officeholder can knock Isakson off in the primary much like the Utah Attorney General looks poised to knock off Bob Bennett.</p>
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		<title>By: EzOnTheEyez</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20511</link>
		<dc:creator>EzOnTheEyez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he would be a terrific senator.</description>
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		<title>By: humboldt</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20508</link>
		<dc:creator>humboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.bethechangeinc.org/1137/S._3487__Kennedy-Hatch__Bill_Text.pdf

The relevant section is the first one which applies to school aged children.

The bill establishes grants that non-profits may apply for in order to partner with low performing schools to get students involved in community service activities.

I don&#039;t see anything even remotely mandating community service in schools - much less uniforms, oaths or pledging allegience to a meglomaniacal dictator.

Can we all take a deep breath here and relax?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>http://s3.amazonaws.com/files.bethechangeinc.org/1137/S._3487__Kennedy-Hatch__Bill_Text.pdf</p>
<p>The relevant section is the first one which applies to school aged children.</p>
<p>The bill establishes grants that non-profits may apply for in order to partner with low performing schools to get students involved in community service activities.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see anything even remotely mandating community service in schools &#8211; much less uniforms, oaths or pledging allegience to a meglomaniacal dictator.</p>
<p>Can we all take a deep breath here and relax?</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nt</description>
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		<title>By: Kyle-MI</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20506</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle-MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because the boy scouts are not compulsory.</description>
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		<title>By: humboldt</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20505</link>
		<dc:creator>humboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all of the fear about oaths and uniforms and common purpose and hysteria of communist infiltration of young people and comparisons to Hitler Youth, I can&#039;t understand how the Boy Scouts stay in business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all of the fear about oaths and uniforms and common purpose and hysteria of communist infiltration of young people and comparisons to Hitler Youth, I can&#8217;t understand how the Boy Scouts stay in business.</p>
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		<title>By: mom2oneson</title>
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		<dc:creator>mom2oneson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please post when you can! I would love to read that. I read Blumenfeld&#039;s books several years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please post when you can! I would love to read that. I read Blumenfeld&#8217;s books several years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: palinchick</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/03/26/isakson-hacks-off-the-gop-base-again/comment-page-1/#comment-20503</link>
		<dc:creator>palinchick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been very disturbed about the Serve America Act and am so glad I have found out that MY SENATOR is speaking out in favor of it!    I just called his office (a regular routine these days) and voice my displeasure and said I would NOT be voting for him in the next election if he votes in favor of it.  Don&#039;t know what good it will do.... but at least know I know what kind of conservative HE AIN&#039;T!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been very disturbed about the Serve America Act and am so glad I have found out that MY SENATOR is speaking out in favor of it!    I just called his office (a regular routine these days) and voice my displeasure and said I would NOT be voting for him in the next election if he votes in favor of it.  Don&#8217;t know what good it will do&#8230;. but at least know I know what kind of conservative HE AIN&#8217;T!</p>
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