NRA Institute For Legislative Action Report – Federal Court Suspends Concealed Carry in National Parks

Until further notice, individuals cannot legally carry loaded, concealed firearms for personal protection in national parks and wildlife refuges.

http://conservativescalawag.blogspot.com/2009/02/bubba-effect.html

Veterans inherently are going to go with the ammo and weapons (AR configuration rifles or Mini 14s being the most popular) that they are most familiar with, and the ammo interchangeability is a tactical consideration also not lost on veterans. There is an unconscious collective thought going on out there in tea party land!

Before the people had to make the decision, their state government of residence made the decision to secede from the union and/or support the Confederacy. The Union forces coming in to retake control were viewed as an invasion force, and loyalty was to a government (either individual state government or to the Confederacy of the state governments that withdrew). Most were inspired to fight essentially because their government asked them to fight. In a sense, it was the second American Revolution because the Confederacy was attempting separation and self determination…. not overthrow of the government in power.

In the situation we are discussing in this post, the revolt would be more like the French Revolution (though I’ll grant you, a second secessionist movement may be closer than we now think as well – God save the Republic of Texas). It would be a revolution where not only did we demand a change in government to restore liberty, but if it came to enough people feeling it had to be accomplished with violence rather than at the ballot box, it would be a damned bloody affair with a lot of attention being paid to making sure future people considering usurping the Constitution would give it not only second, but third and fourth thoughts.

As to the question of whether the Military or Civil Police would side with the people….. I think it would entirely depend on the strength of the movement. If it wasn’t massive, the police would without question in my mind do what they saw as their duty and do what they could to put down insurrection.

I can tell you with twenty-five years LE experience, that police are fairly well aware inherently that their being in control is about the only thing that maintains order in about any kind of really passionate situation, so they approach all situations they go into with the attitude that as long as they are there and involved, there WILL NOT be anyone else calling the shots. For cops, having that attitude is a matter of daily survival, and they grow used to it and rather fond of it.

But if the uprising were large enough (and I mean WAY more than anything local to the officer making that decision), I could see Police executives telling their troops to stand down, don’t go after “Bubba”, and just continue to maintain public safety and prevent crime wherever possible. Of course if a cop even on the local scene had twenty Bubbas pointing AR15s at him and telling him he really didn’t need to draw his weapon, I think it likely he’d see the reasoning in that request.

The military has already had high-level discussions with the government concerning what they label as “The Bubba Effect”. It involves a scenario where military veterans, familiar with military arms and tactics, spontaneously form militias to protect their neighborhoods if it becomes obvious that the police cannot.

They probably see that as a bad thing and a threat. I see it as a good thing.

If we ever become so helpless that we rely on the gov’t for protection from roving gangs, we don’t deserve the freedom we have. I can assure you, Thomas Jefferson, Geo. Washington, John Adams, John Hancock, Alexander Hamilton, Paul Revere, etc. would have figured out a way to defend themselves, their families and their neighborhoods. We need such visionary, courageous leaders today.

Well, to be honest with you and everyone, my line has been very close to being crossed, crossed again, crossed yet a third time and many more times after that. But I also know I’m much stronger and a better person for not allowing myself or anyone near me going postal

I’m one of the weirdos according to our friends on the left and overseas…… I’m ‘just slightly’ enamored with our Constitution and Bill Of Rights as they exist. Are the documents perfect ? Damn close to it. But we can’t have everything…. where would we put it all ?

This whole shootin’ match is no longer about The 2nd Amendment or The 1st Amendment, or how much money is being printed and given away without any possibility of our nation being able to back it up or repay the assumed debt…… It’s everything together that is destroying from within our rights, freedoms, liberties and entire nation as one. The tipping point to pitchforks and torches is getting closer every day…. I can feel it, sense it and see it in many people all over the place.

I sincerely pray nothing happens, but alas I think something horrid will……….. to the point of President Teleprompter at least trying to invalidate The Constitution, Bill Of Rights, State and local laws……….. and causing an absolute nightmare scenario in our nation in the process.

People who know me understand one thing about me: Take away my rights under The Constitution and B.O.R. ? I’m sorry. No thank you. You’ll have to kill me first…………. and I do not put it past the people in charge right now to do just that…… I’m absolutely serious too. I also know I’m nowhere near alone in my thoughts

Look what they’re already doing to people who simply disagree with them in public.

Now before anyone goes off saying I’m a tin-foil-hat-wearing loon. I’m not. I’m a simple American who treasures what we all have in rights freedoms and liberties…. and will defend to my death to keep these rights freedoms and liberties.

My burning question now is the following: If and when the merde really does encounter the ventillateur, how many members of law enforcement and the military will obey their orders and go after their own countrymen and how many will simply stay home to protect their families ?

Where does the overwhelming allegiance lie…….. With their oath to protect and defend The Constitution and their families, or do they stand ground to take and obey orders from and for tyranny ? Also, did any current members of L.E. and Mil ever even remotely think they would be tasked to make that decision for themselves ?

Put the command hat on yourself……… Division, Brigade, Batallion, Platoon, Squad, Precinct and/or local…… think about it for awhile… no instant reaction….. what would you do if the order comes down ?

I’ve always known my answer deep in my heart and soul as an American. Those parchment documents say it all….. “We The People……”

We lend our government the authority to use our rights in order to hold things together. When they fail in their task, or subjugate their sworn duties under The Constitution, then We The People MUST take our authority back….. under our Constitution and by all legal means first and foremost…………which is EXACTLY why The 2nd Amendment is in place……..when the Republic is at stake.

And so help me God, with the actions so far of the current administration and their stated plans in the offing, our Republic really is at stake and signs of mob rule are starting to show, in of all places, Congress.

Cheers !

People are less likely to give up their guns if they see it coming. They’ll hide them. They’ll feel the need to keep them if for no other reason than the threat of anarchy should this government completely break down. And with what this government is doing to the economy, that’s not an absurd possibility. They’ll want them to protect themselves against roving gangs, riots, or home invasions. And they’ll communicate.

The military has already had high-level discussions with the government concerning what they label as “The Bubba Effect”. It involves a scenario where military veterans, familiar with military arms and tactics, spontaneously form militias to protect their neighborhoods if it becomes obvious that the police cannot.

The same thing is portended if we start to get a string of terrorist attacks in malls and schools and it becomes clear the civil police are overwhelmed.

I don’t see many gun owners starting to shoot just because the second amendment is overruled by the government. But I don’t see people giving up their guns either. What I think will bring on the shooting (God forbid) would be loss of governmental control… which, as I said does not appear to me to be out of the realm of possibility. Of course, once shooting actually starts on any kind of scale to speak of…….

The three avenues provided for citizen expression in the Constitution are the soap box, the ballot box and the ammo box. They are intended to be used in that order.

Where we are now: The soapbox has been/is being muted through a combination of PC, direct and overt governmental intimidation of private citizens, and proposed legislative initiatives.

The ballot box is under direct assault through fraudulent voter groups such as ACORN, corrupt public officials and a criminal actions by the leftists. I predict that if the trajectory of the last 3-4 elections holds, this next round will be signify the end of any trust in the process by those not in power. [BTW, this situation is a bonus for the leftists as their ultimate goal is the disintegration of American/Western culture through subversion of its institutions - read Gramsci].

When should the ammo box be used? I am also open to suggestions, but make no mistake, at some point it will be used.

Given…Dems want to abolish the 2nd Ammendment. Although the Rush bill seems unrealistic in reach, they have always been happy for now to settle with a lesser law with another chip stripped away. After all, they’ll be back for more later.
Chip, chip, chip.

At what point will these Orwellian laws or gun grabs become too much? Is the 2nd Ammendment (or any of them for that matter) just a political football game that doesn’t really have any substance, or is it a life and death kind of right? In the end, does today’s American have the stomach to rise up when the line is eventually crossed?

I have always been interested in the American Civil War. One of the most intriguing aspects (to me anyway) is the singular point where individuals decided to take up arms against the government. It was an individual choice that divided families. But something pushed them over the edge. They believed the line had been crossed and it was now serious enough to die for.

As the years go by and I hear the latest attempt to infringe the 2nd Ammendment, I wonder where the line is?

I’m happy with my life as it is, and don’t relish giving it up for the 2nd Ammendment, but I believe its important enough to do it if the line is crossed. No smack-talking, no chest thumping, but a somber and frightening realization that the goverment may define me a criminal through the trampling of the Bill of Rights. At that time I will promise to apply myself to my new title with all the ability, ingenuity, and motivation I have so far applied to being a law abiding citizen.

I will send an e-mail to each of the subcommittee members, even though none are my representatives, reminding them this bill is an infringement on my Second Amendment Rights. Suggest others take similar actions.

They took guns away from people willy-nilly in New Orleans when they were first trying to get a handle on Katrina, and received virtually no resistance in doing so. But that was pure ambush. They won’t have it that easy if we see it coming.

If they passed HR45, I suspect that one hellofalot of guns would suddenly “go missing” and be reported stolen.

Anyway, nobody in Alaska cares what’s on the end of the barrel, so I got a nice one with holes and slots. It controls the muzzle tip and dramatically cuts down the flash. The price is that it makes the weapon MUCH louder for the shooter, since it directs much of the expelled gas back towards you.

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Cheers !

If I hadn’t been alive for Reagan’s election after Carter, I’d already be in the hills waiting to join up with the rest of the Rebel Alliance.

I don’t know about OR, but here even the most far-left Democrats mostly boast about being NRA Life Members. Our conceal carry unless prohibited law was authored and sponsored by arguably the most Lefty Democrat in the State House. But, if you sent any of them to Congress, they’d vote with the Caucus unless let off the hook by leadership. I’m reasonably certain that any anti-gun vote would cost Mark Begich his seat, but I don’t know about OR.

Also, I have a philosophical question: How can it be that the major firearms manufacturers and bullet makers (Save Hornady) are nearly all located in liberal states in the northeast or Oregon in the case of Nosler. Are the Statewide Democrats in these states more pro-gun or what?

I don’t think they want to deal with that. Even Conyers must know that his power in Congress rests with the ability of Democrats to convince hunters in conservative areas that they are not Gun Grabbers. Maybe they don’t. The NRA needs to take the lead here.

Middle America is NOT the LaLa land that idiots on the coasts inhabit.

It is almost impossible to find .223 ammo on the Internet these days. Not because the government has interfered with it being available, but because it is sold out of stock, back-ordered, and flying off the shelves of stores as fast as it comes in.

I don’t think the Dems have a clue how touchy folks are going to get on this issue. If they were going to do this and have a chance of getting away with it, they should have gotten it through long before they started their socialist reform agenda.